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2007-10-09 04:32:37 PM
You know what's funny? The area was a lot more stable under Soviet occupation. Maybe russian communism needs to make a comeback. The NUSSR... I like the sound of that...
 
2007-10-09 04:32:44 PM
Tatsuma: Seriously, people, will you shut the fark up about Israel?

shiat, I'm surprised I can discuss movies without people bringing Israel up.


Based on everything I've seen for the last year+ of farking, I can give you a good guess why Israel always gets brought up...

Let's look at your profile real fast and think about this.
 
2007-10-09 04:33:49 PM
Tatsuma:

Also, this is about Turkey and Kurds, so shut the fark up and don't make this about Israel once again



well, to be fair, Israel is involved

Plan B
As June 30th approaches, Israel looks to the Kurds.


Israeli intelligence and military operatives are now quietly at work in Kurdistan, providing training for Kurdish commando units and, most important in Israel's view, running covert operations inside Kurdish areas of Iran and Syria. Israel feels particularly threatened by Iran, whose position in the region has been strengthened by the war. The Israeli operatives include members of the Mossad, Israel's clandestine foreign-intelligence service, who work undercover in Kurdistan as businessmen and, in some cases, do not carry Israeli passports.

Asked to comment, Mark Regev, the spokesman for the Israeli Embassy in Washington, said, "The story is simply untrue and the relevant governments know it's untrue." Kurdish officials declined to comment, as did a spokesman for the State Department.

However, a senior C.I.A. official acknowledged in an interview last week that the Israelis were indeed operating in Kurdistan. He told me that the Israelis felt that they had little choice: "They think they have to be there." Asked whether the Israelis had sought approval from Washington, the official laughed and said, "Do you know anybody who can tell the Israelis what to do? They're always going to do what is in their best interest." The C.I.A. official added that the Israeli presence was widely known in the American intelligence community.

The Israeli decision to seek a bigger foothold in Kurdistan-characterized by the former Israeli intelligence officer as "Plan B"-has also raised tensions between Israel and Turkey. It has provoked bitter statements from Turkish politicians and, in a major regional shift, a new alliance among Iran, Syria, and Turkey, all of which have significant Kurdish minorities. In early June, Intel Brief, a privately circulated intelligence newsletter produced by Vincent Cannistraro, a retired C.I.A. counterterrorism chief, and Philip Giraldi, who served as the C.I.A.'s deputy chief of base in Istanbul in the late nineteen-eighties, said:
Turkish sources confidentially report that the Turks are increasingly concerned by the expanding Israeli presence in Kurdistan and alleged encouragement of Kurdish ambitions to create an independent state. . . . The Turks note that the large Israeli intelligence operations in Northern Iraq incorporate anti-Syrian and anti-Iranian activity, including support to Iranian and Syrian Kurds who are in opposition to their respective governments.
...snip...
At the moment, the former American senior intelligence official said, the Israelis' tie to Kurdistan "would be of greater value than their growing alliance with Turkey. 'We love Turkey but got to keep the pressure on Iran.' " The former Israeli intelligence officer said, "The Kurds were the last surviving group close to the United States with any say in Iraq. The only question was how to square it with Turkey."

There may be no way to square it with Turkey. Over breakfast in Ankara, a senior Turkish official explained, "Before the war, Israel was active in Kurdistan, and now it is active again. This is very dangerous for us, and for them, too. We do not want to see Iraq divided, and we will not ignore it." Then, citing a popular Turkish proverb-"We will burn a blanket to kill a flea"-he said, "We have told the Kurds, 'We are not afraid of you, but you should be afraid of us.' " (A Turkish diplomat I spoke to later was more direct: "We tell our Israeli and Kurdish friends that Turkey's good will lies in keeping Iraq together. We will not support alternative solutions.")

"If you end up with a divided Iraq, it will bring more blood, tears, and pain to the Middle East, and you will be blamed," the senior Turkish official said. "From Mexico to Russia, everybody will claim that the United States had a secret agenda in Iraq: you came there to break up Iraq. If Iraq is divided, America cannot explain this to the world." The official compared the situation to the breakup of Yugoslavia, but added, "In the Balkans, you did not have oil." He said, "The lesson of Yugoslavia is that when you give one country independence everybody will want it." If that happens, he said, "Kirkuk will be the Sarajevo of Iraq. If something happens there, it will be impossible to contain the crisis."
..snip..


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Kurdish soldiers trained by Israelis
On Video
 
2007-10-09 04:34:33 PM
Cowboy Spencer: Tryptophan.

That, and the five pounds of turkey, stuffing, ham, mashed potatos, okra, green beans, macaroni and cheese, gravy, and cranberry sauce.
 
2007-10-09 04:34:40 PM
mmmm....Kurds...


aycu05.webshots.com
 
2007-10-09 04:34:42 PM
jasonmicron: whidbey: SNow you see what happens when we refuse to take it seriously.

Because 17 resolutions over a 13 year period wasn't enough time...


You say that like it means something.

Israel had more in the same period for human rights abuses, not just petty treaty non-compliance.
 
2007-10-09 04:34:56 PM
KellyX: Based on everything I've seen for the last year+ of farking, I can give you a good guess why Israel always gets brought up...

Let's look at your profile real fast and think about this.


Yes, I talk a whole lot about Israel in threads about Israel, that doesn't give people a free pass to bring that up in every. farking. political. thread. they can.
 
2007-10-09 04:35:05 PM
Tatsuma shiat, I'm surprised I can discuss movies without people bringing Israel up.

I didn't get a chance to see Munich.
 
2007-10-09 04:35:55 PM
In other news, Sen. Craig is preparing to invade Uranus.
 
2007-10-09 04:36:08 PM
Party Boy: well, to be fair, Israel is involved

I don't mind people bringing up Israel when it's relevant. But go read the Ron Paul thread, about 5-10 people baited me with the 'You just oppose him cause he wants to cut aid to Israel!11'
 
2007-10-09 04:36:09 PM
Tatsuma: Seriously, people, will you shut the fark up about Israel?

YOU NOTICED THAT TOO, HUH?

Honestly, do you and czar have a computer program that lets you know whenever any story is posted about the middle east?

Not every thread has to be a Tats-angelus war. Kee-rist.
 
2007-10-09 04:36:45 PM
aycu16.webshots.com
 
2007-10-09 04:36:49 PM
hockeyfarker: Not every thread has to be a Tats-angelus war. Kee-rist.

You do realize that I stopped replying to him a while ago, right?
 
2007-10-09 04:37:07 PM
Tatsuma: Yes, I talk a whole lot about Israel in threads about Israel, that doesn't give people a free pass to bring that up in every. farking. political. thread. they can.

You are forgetting the pea-brains who "know" the da joos are the root of all evil...
 
2007-10-09 04:37:25 PM
no whey!
 
2007-10-09 04:37:27 PM
sweet! the coalition of the willing is getting a boost!
 
2007-10-09 04:37:46 PM
Turkish hash FTW!

i67.photobucket.com
 
2007-10-09 04:38:37 PM
dillenger69: So ... if we decide to take out "a threat", shouldn't TUrkey be allowed to take out a threat to their country?
I bet the republicans would have no problem invading Mexico if there was a nationalist movement trying to take back Texas after they seceded from Mexico.
Seriously, what would we do if all the mexicans in the southern U.S. decided that they wanted to be part of North Mexistan after a legitimate vote?
We'd be all over that like flies on shiat.

Turkey is only doing the same thing we did except they actually border on Iraq so they have a more legitimate claim to invade to counter "a threat to national security".


I'm a republican and as far as I am concerned they are well within there rights to do what ever they see fit
 
2007-10-09 04:38:49 PM
Otorcs: You are forgetting the pea-brains who "know" the da joos are the root of all evil...

Of course... Those were particularly crazy in yesterday's thread
 
2007-10-09 04:38:55 PM
czarangelus: I'm deeply suspicious of countries that justify themselves by ethnicity or religion.

Said the mnan who supports palestine no matter what they do.

/Head asplode
 
2007-10-09 04:39:03 PM
Otorcs
You are forgetting the pea-brains who "know" the da joos are the root of all evil...


aycu33.webshots.com


mmmm.... peas
 
2007-10-09 04:39:11 PM
Speaks: This has been on and off for a long time. The Turks are scared crapless about an independent Kurdistan on its borders and Kurdish Separatists in Turkey are only making matters worse by committing acts of terrorism/vandalism/crime/etc and then fleeing into northern Iraq where they are sheltered by the Kurds.

If there was an independent Kurdistan next door wouldn't that help Turkey out? I'd think most of Turkey's Kurds would run for the border and the Turks could just kick out the ones who don't voluntarily leave. It would be a win-win for everyone.... the Kurds get their own country and the Turks don't have to put up with the Kurds anymore.....
 
2007-10-09 04:39:12 PM
I thought they had already done this on several occasions.

/DRTFA
 
2007-10-09 04:39:23 PM
Tatsuma: You do realize that I stopped replying to him a while ago, right?

Yup, at about the time I asked how to deal with the Kurds in such a way that won't plunge no fewer than 3 countries into civil war and chaos.

Oh yeah, and when I asked for recent evidence that there was still a great deal of repression against the Kurds going on in Turkey or Iran.
 
2007-10-09 04:40:45 PM
Tatsuma:

You might want to ease up off of fark and go for a jog. Enjoy a nice meal. Go for a drive. I dont think you want to keep going on this path.
 
2007-10-09 04:40:46 PM
Otorcs: You are forgetting the pea-brains who "know" the da joos are the root of all evil...

Wait...did I miss a memo? I thought the pope led the devil's horde?
 
2007-10-09 04:40:49 PM
Tatsuma: Yes, I talk a whole lot about Israel in threads about Israel, that doesn't give people a free pass to bring that up in every. farking. political. thread. they can.

What I'm saying is people associate you with it and know it's one of your hot buttons. So anytime they want to "summon you" or yank your chains, they're going to bring it up, which is probably almost every chance they can get since you tend to be known as the defender of Israel (or was it Zionism, I can't recall, I ignore the thread wars usually)...
 
2007-10-09 04:40:51 PM
greatmoose: Said the mnan who supports palestine no matter what they do.

Palestine doesn't do anything. Palestine doesn't exist anymore. Now there's Hamas and Islamic Jihad and Fatah and a hundred other splinter groups, clans, and militias.
 
2007-10-09 04:41:03 PM
US Foreign Policy wins again!
 
2007-10-09 04:41:05 PM
greatmoose: czarangelus: I'm deeply suspicious of countries that justify themselves by ethnicity or religion.

Said the mnan who supports palestine no matter what they do.

/Head asplode


What do they do? Starve in apartheid ghettos surrounded by Israeli fences and highways?

God, those horrible, horrible people.
 
2007-10-09 04:42:08 PM
Save the Kurds!

www.nndb.com
 
2007-10-09 04:44:11 PM
Party Boy: You might want to ease up off of fark and go for a jog. Enjoy a nice meal. Go for a drive. I dont think you want to keep going on this path.

Nah, I'm going to stick around and post pictures of hot Kurdish women
 
2007-10-09 04:44:24 PM
Again?

vermontdailybriefing.com
 
2007-10-09 04:44:40 PM
As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could...

Wait, what?
 
2007-10-09 04:44:59 PM
Tatsuma: You do realize that I stopped replying to him a while ago, right?

I am kind of just generally biatching. There's a farking poster up there. There's always some moran going "I can't wait until *insert name here* gets here! Lolz!"

I know it's your schtick and all, and it is not technically always your fault, but I just felt like biatching. It's the same farking thread again and again.

Perhaps if I don't like it I should leave, instead of whining, huh?
 
2007-10-09 04:45:04 PM
bongmiester: no whey!

Whey
 
2007-10-09 04:45:20 PM
OzPhish: Again?

that one was fake...
 
2007-10-09 04:45:37 PM
Boritom: As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could...

Wait, what?


Les?
 
2007-10-09 04:45:45 PM
Maybe this is why it keeps coming up.

"At the start of the 21st century, the standard bibliography on the subject listed some 37,000 works on Nazism, 12,000 of these having appeared in the previous five years alone. Will not historians at our century's end look back and scratch their heads in bemusement? The millions of victims of state violence in China or the Soviet Union rate only a fraction of this attention, the killing fields of Cambodia and Rwanda still less. Yet the Nazis keep marching on, while the Holocaust has been turned into a moral touchstone, an unparalleled example of evil that we are exhorted to keep constantly in mind. Faced with two hefty new works -- the 600-page first volume of a projected trilogy on the Third Reich, and a detailed study of the origins of the Final Solution -- one wonders what more remains to be learned."

New York Times Book Review (new window)
 
2007-10-09 04:46:01 PM
czarangelus: Yup, at about the time I asked how to deal with the Kurds in such a way that won't plunge no fewer than 3 countries into civil war and chaos.

Shiat, why not expand the scope and make it ten? Lesse, Pakistan, Turkey, Iraq, Iran, Izbeckistan, Luxembourg, Syria, Uraguay, and Mali. What the hell. Let's have some fun. It'll be like a big game of Risk, and just as valid..
 
2007-10-09 04:46:16 PM
So now the Kurds are on the fringe-left's list of Uncool Kidz.

Makes me wonder how long it will be before we hear certain corners saying the Tutsis really had it coming.
 
2007-10-09 04:46:22 PM
Otorcs

Tatsuma:

Neither Iran nor Turkey will let an independant Kurdistan happen.

I personally think that they deserve their own country.

Neither the U.S. nor Israel will let an independant Palestine happen. I personally think that they deserve their own country.

See what I did there?


Actually, the US has been pressing for an independent Palestine for a long time, and Israel acquiesced to it years ago; the issues include final borders and security. Gaza is pretty much independent right now, and the West Bank mostly so.
 
2007-10-09 04:46:52 PM
I say we make a turducken out of thisso everyone is happy
 
2007-10-09 04:46:58 PM
Am I the only one who sees Israelis/Palistinians as two stupid children who have been arguing over who "started it" for the past 50 years?

That's the sort of thing that's wrong with the entire region.

/Oh yes I did! Mmm-hmm!
 
2007-10-09 04:47:30 PM
We already farked the Kurds once. If we let them get attacked and don't support them fully, we are pieces of shiat. They are about the only motherfarkers over there that just want to be left alone. Good people too. When we ignore their pleas, there is no way anybody can say the US isn't an empire with no soul.
 
2007-10-09 04:47:55 PM
GoldSpider: JDAT: I think Czar just won this thread by forfeit.

Why? Because he's proven himself time and again incapable of staying on-topic?


No, had nothing to do with Czar.
 
2007-10-09 04:48:53 PM
Arthur Jumbles: If there was an independent Kurdistan next door wouldn't that help Turkey out? I'd think most of Turkey's Kurds would run for the border and the Turks could just kick out the ones who don't voluntarily leave. It would be a win-win for everyone.... the Kurds get their own country and the Turks don't have to put up with the Kurds anymore.....

The problem is that there are lots of Kurds in eastern Turkey who aren't going to be satisfied with moving to a desolate patch of northern Iraq. The Kurds in Iraq actually have it pretty good right now - these terrorist attacks are aimed at fomenting separatist opinion in Turkey, so that the Kurdish-dominated parts of the country will join any future Kurdish independent state arises in Northern Iraq. Turkey, for obvious reasons, doesn't want that to happen.
 
2007-10-09 04:48:55 PM
hachijuhachi: All I know is...

Istanbul was Constantinople
Now it's Istanbul, not Constantinople...

And I think Turkish delight is about one of the most terrible things I've ever put in my mouth.



I tried some after seeing Narnia and WOW that shi'ite was 'Orrible

www.karlphoto.com
This some Turkish Delight i wouldnt mind eatin!
 
2007-10-09 04:49:52 PM
Do you think that it is embarrassing that in 4 years time we were able to free most of Europe and defeat Japan, basically win major wars on both coasts but today we cannot even secure the road from the airport into Baghdad?
 
2007-10-09 04:50:59 PM
Fark-the-Fnord: we cannot even secure the road from the airport into Baghdad?

what does that have to do with our goals in Iraq?
 
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