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2007-10-09 03:51:40 PM
Vis à vis the difference between a consecrated and non-consecrated wafer:

A. a believer values the divinity of a consecrated wafer
B. a believer cannot tell the difference between a consecrated and unconsecrated wafer
C. it is the belief of the eater and not the act of the priest that consecrates the wafer
D. get your own damn bread from the store, believe it is the body of christ and save your money

/mysticism good, orthodoxy bad
 
2007-10-09 03:52:57 PM
BRENDAN-FACE

No, you don't. Especially not like this.


Ahhh, I see... It's ok for Christians like yourself to take money from furthering scientific studies and the technologies scientists have come up with, that are proven to actually help certain humans have a better quality of life, and instead steal my money for faith-based ideologies that have been proven to not help at all? How very compassionate of you. I mean, how very Christian of you.
 
2007-10-09 03:54:00 PM
Prank Call of Cthulhu: BRENDAN-FACE

So where do we draw the line? Can we mock anything? Can I mock the ancient Greeks for believing their gods lived on a mountaintop? Can I mock the islanders who believe virgin sacrifice affects volcanic eruption? Can I mock cargo-cults for believing that constructing headsets out of coconut shells and waving sticks around will bring the airplanes back? Can I mock scientologists for believing in B-52s carrying Thetans across space for Xenu? Can I mock the child who believes a monster lives under his bed? Can I mock dowsers for believing they can find water with bent twigs? Can I mock Whitney Houston for being a talentless, coke-addled hag? Can I mock Muslims for believing in a reward of 72 virgins? Can I mock fundamentalist Christians for believing the earth is 6,000 years old or that snakes can talk?

Because from where I'm sitting all those beliefs and the belief that some biscuit turns into Jesus when the priest plunks his magic twanger are all equally (a) wrong, (b) silly, and (c) without place in the modern world.


You can mock the ideas if you must, but taking a consecrated Host, which Catholics hold to be the True Presence, and treating it with such disrespect? No, that's should not be protected speach. It should be treated the same as if this gut defaced a Torah. Seriously, that's how offensive it is. If you don't understand that, perhaps you just shouldn't pay any attention to the Catholic faith at all. We'd be just fine with that.
 
2007-10-09 03:54:21 PM
BRENDAN-FACE: Bresin: BRENDAN-FACE

As long as your people are taking my tax dollars to support your bullshiat ideologies like abstinence only programs then I have more than every right to mock the living shiat out of your ridiculous mythology.

No, you don't. Especially not like this.


Because we don't have a right to freedom of speech.

Fark you.
 
2007-10-09 03:57:14 PM
BRENDAN-FACE: You can mock the ideas if you must, but taking a consecrated Host, which Catholics hold to be the True Presence, and treating it with such disrespect? No, that's should not be protected speach. It should be treated the same as if this gut defaced a Torah. Seriously, that's how offensive it is. If you don't understand that, perhaps you just shouldn't pay any attention to the Catholic faith at all. We'd be just fine with that.

I can desecrate a Torah. There's no law stopping me from doing so. Now, I can't go into a synagogue and desecrate THEIR Torah (that's vandalism, destruction of property, etc) but I could buy one for myself, desecrate it, and post it on Youtube if I wanted.

If I had a webcam and a Torah handy I'd do it right now just to prove a point. As it is, I'm not going to spend upwards of a hundred bucks because some moron on the internet doesn't know what freedom of speech means.
 
2007-10-09 03:57:22 PM
Bresin: BRENDAN-FACE

No, you don't. Especially not like this.


Ahhh, I see... It's ok for Christians like yourself to take money from furthering scientific studies and the technologies scientists have come up with, that are proven to actually help certain humans have a better quality of life, and instead steal my money for faith-based ideologies that have been proven to not help at all? How very compassionate of you. I mean, how very Christian of you.


Where do we take money? My parish doesn't receive any federal funding. If there are faith-based programs receiving tax dollars, address them directly if you don't agree with them. Stop painting with such a wide brush. This is what I mean about people like you being uneducated. You're not happy unless your actively hating someone.
 
2007-10-09 03:58:07 PM
BRENDAN-FACE

You can mock the ideas if you must, but taking a consecrated Host, which Catholics hold to be the True Presence, and treating it with such disrespect? No, that's should not be protected speach.

I see, so basically, all those other religions and ideas are phony. It's because Catholocism is true, that's why I shouldn't be allowed to do naughty things to a wafer?
 
2007-10-09 03:59:26 PM
BRENDAN-FACE: You can mock the ideas if you must, but taking a consecrated Host, which Catholics hold to be the True Presence, and treating it with such disrespect? No, that's should not be protected speach.

so, in honor of those who hold cows to be sacred, we shall no longer have juicy delicious burgers. respect is respect.
 
2007-10-09 04:00:47 PM
Hey, God invented teh funny.

Jeebuz, did you bust a farkin gut the first time you watched The Life of Brian? "Always look on the bright side of life!"

It was a joke. Not funny to you? Then don't laugh.

/Grew up UCC
// Now spiritual, not religious
///All kinds of tolerant. An it harm none, do what you will.
////Believe with all my heart and soul that Divinity has a *fantastic* sense of humor.
 
2007-10-09 04:01:08 PM
drunkenvibe: BRENDAN-FACE: You can mock the ideas if you must, but taking a consecrated Host, which Catholics hold to be the True Presence, and treating it with such disrespect? No, that's should not be protected speach.

so, in honor of those who hold cows to be sacred, we shall no longer have juicy delicious burgers. respect is respect.


I'm a vegetarian, go ahead.
 
2007-10-09 04:03:39 PM
"If religion deserved respect, it would be rolling around in it, like televangelists in other peoples' money."

-- Pat Condell
 
2007-10-09 04:05:50 PM
BRENDAN-FACE: drunkenvibe: BRENDAN-FACE: You can mock the ideas if you must, but taking a consecrated Host, which Catholics hold to be the True Presence, and treating it with such disrespect? No, that's should not be protected speach.

so, in honor of those who hold cows to be sacred, we shall no longer have juicy delicious burgers. respect is respect.

I'm a vegetarian, go ahead.


skip over a relevant question, great way to handle this.
 
2007-10-09 04:06:55 PM
BRENDAN-FACE

This is what I mean about people like you being uneducated. You're not happy unless your actively hating someone.


I'm not sure how being uneducated and hate relate to one another, but to say I'm either of those is what I'd call "painting with too wide a brush". It appears, however, that both subjects - science and mythology - can be found in educational institutions. Therefore we both can be educated and carry on believing in what we feel is more important. I'll choose reality, and you can choose to linger on in mythology if that suits you.
 
2007-10-09 04:07:35 PM
BRENDAN-FACE:No, that's should not be protected speach.

Fine, then let's make proselytizing a non-protected speech too; because I find that just as offensive.
 
2007-10-09 04:08:09 PM
TheCid

I can desecrate a Torah. There's no law stopping me from doing so.

What about hate crime laws? All it takes is one knucklehead to cry about feeling intimidated about seeing you smack a Torah around, and the next thing you know you find yourself on the wrong end of a hate crime law.

(This isn't to argue that Torah-smacking is bad, but rather that hate crime laws are generally stupid.)
 
2007-10-09 04:08:38 PM
perhaps if brendan-face would man up, eat some red meat and pound a beer, his pussy would hurt less and he could complain about something meaningful.
 
2007-10-09 04:10:15 PM
PablitoRun: I am going to respectfully disagree with you.

Well, the Bible is just a book. There are already lots of holier items on fire during the average Mass. Your intent to disrupt a religious service would be offensive, but I can't find a sin anywhere in "lighting a Bible on fire during Mass". Your intent to offend would be in itself offensive and disruptive, but that's it.

As for tricking a religious person into violating their vows, that is not sinful either. They're their vows, not yours, and if they didn't knowingly break them, they have not sinned. Although they would probably feel bad about it, and it would not be a very nice thing to do.

Notice I am using sin as a barometer, because "offensive" is very subjective and varies person to person. Sin is an offense to the Church, so that's what I'm going with. It's also codified in Canon Law.

nashBridges: OK, I LOL'd.

Bible joint.


I use the map pages in the back. No words of Jesus on them, not that it would particularly matter. It's just a book. Yes, I have rolled a joint with a page from the Bible. There was nothing else around the hotel room!

Bresin: I once got laid in a pew, and once got high in a confessional booth, but none of it matters because Jesus loves me.

Unless the woman you're having sex with is not your wife, you have not committed a sin by farking in church. Sounds crazy, but are you committing a sin by taking a dump in the bathroom? Perhaps you are disrespecting the Sacrament, but there's nothing inherently sinful about "_______ in a church", as long as _______ is not a sin.

Getting high is a value judgment. It is a sin in the sense that you are disobeying man's law, but if weed were legal, it would not be a sin. No different than drinking wine in church, which happens every day.
 
2007-10-09 04:11:11 PM
Sir Charles: I'm an atheist and think this is in incredibly poor taste.

Its a-hole atheists like this that give the rest of us a bad name.


I'm a Catholic, and I think it's a hoot. Spare your outrage on my behalf, thanks
 
2007-10-09 04:11:20 PM
BRENDAN-FACE: drunkenvibe: BRENDAN-FACE: You can mock the ideas if you must, but taking a consecrated Host, which Catholics hold to be the True Presence, and treating it with such disrespect? No, that's should not be protected speach.

so, in honor of those who hold cows to be sacred, we shall no longer have juicy delicious burgers. respect is respect.

I'm a vegetarian, go ahead.


You avoided his point on purpose, so I'm pretty sure you're trolling. On the off chance that you are not: something that you personally do violates and demeans someone else's beliefs. Drive a car? Use electricity? Allow your wife to expose any skin to non-relatives? ....believe in Jesus?

Out there, there are a lot of people who are vehemently opposed to all of these things, and by your doing them, you are "disrespecting" them. Why do you still do it? Because you and a lot of others think they are wrong, and it would be very inconvenient or personally trying to give them up.

/To me, you getting your hackles up is just as offensive as this kid making fun. More, really.
 
2007-10-09 04:13:18 PM
Prank Call of Cthulhu: TheCid

I can desecrate a Torah. There's no law stopping me from doing so.

What about hate crime laws? All it takes is one knucklehead to cry about feeling intimidated about seeing you smack a Torah around, and the next thing you know you find yourself on the wrong end of a hate crime law.

(This isn't to argue that Torah-smacking is bad, but rather that hate crime laws are generally stupid.)


It wouldn't violate a hate crime law unless I went out and started threatening and intimidating Jews. In which case, I'd be performing assault (which is already a crime) and would be getting the hate crime rider tacked on to it.

/IANAL
 
2007-10-09 04:13:44 PM
Bresin: BRENDAN-FACE

This is what I mean about people like you being uneducated. You're not happy unless your actively hating someone.


I'm not sure how being uneducated and hate relate to one another, but to say I'm either of those is what I'd call "painting with too wide a brush". It appears, however, that both subjects - science and mythology - can be found in educational institutions. Therefore we both can be educated and carry on believing in what we feel is more important. I'll choose reality, and you can choose to linger on in mythology if that suits you.


The Catholic Church (especially the Jesuit Order) has a long history of being great educators. There have been eras where Catholicism and Science have butted heads, but if not for the Catholic Church, Western Civilization would not be as advanced as it is today. That's simply historical fact.
 
2007-10-09 04:15:03 PM
Prank Call of Cthulhu: It's because Catholocism is true, that's why I shouldn't be allowed to do naughty things to a wafer?

It's because the guy misrepresented himself to the Church and effectively stole an artifact from it and threatened to deface it. Do you think stealing Church artifacts and threatening to deface them for ransom should be protected speech?

Moreover, do you think the persecution complex many religious people have is entirely unfounded in the face of something like this? Keep pulling stunts like this and "The War on Christmas" is going to start making sense to people. It's just more fuel for the fire.
 
2007-10-09 04:15:52 PM
Yes, I have rolled a joint with a page from the Bible. There was nothing else around the hotel room!

Hmmmm....When I'm in a hotel, I usually just rig them for a magic trick. The effect is to have someone pick a card from a deck, and then you go through some "randomizing" procedure to pick a specific page of the Bible. You then slap a hot clothes iron on the page, and the name of the card they picked shows up, highlighted amongst the words on the sizzling page. The secret is in a little pre-trick preparation of the Bible.

Of course, I usually travel with a deck of cards, not weed.
 
2007-10-09 04:17:06 PM
LikeTheSearchEngine: BRENDAN-FACE: drunkenvibe: BRENDAN-FACE: You can mock the ideas if you must, but taking a consecrated Host, which Catholics hold to be the True Presence, and treating it with such disrespect? No, that's should not be protected speach.

so, in honor of those who hold cows to be sacred, we shall no longer have juicy delicious burgers. respect is respect.

I'm a vegetarian, go ahead.

You avoided his point on purpose, so I'm pretty sure you're trolling. On the off chance that you are not: something that you personally do violates and demeans someone else's beliefs. Drive a car? Use electricity? Allow your wife to expose any skin to non-relatives? ....believe in Jesus?

Out there, there are a lot of people who are vehemently opposed to all of these things, and by your doing them, you are "disrespecting" them. Why do you still do it? Because you and a lot of others think they are wrong, and it would be very inconvenient or personally trying to give them up.

/To me, you getting your hackles up is just as offensive as this kid making fun. More, really.


Listen, if you were to go to a Hindi service, steal one of their sacred cows and slaughter it in a wonton fashion on the internet, then that would be the same thing. Would you condone such an act?

I'm smarter than you, I know this issue, and really it doesn't matter what arguments you make, because they will be flawed at base.

Admit you're wrong and this was inappropriate, and then we can have a discussion about how much hate you have for people who are different from you. Okay?
 
2007-10-09 04:19:50 PM
by law, the priest gave him the wafer, it's his to do whatever he wants with it.
 
2007-10-09 04:20:02 PM
gshepnyc: Wow. Grabbed him by the arm and made him eat it right then and there? I didn't think it could get creepier but there we are.

If someone starting serving themselves early at a wedding buffet, he'd get the same treatment. But it happens in a church and it's "creepy"? Were you raised underwater in a laboratory?
 
2007-10-09 04:20:23 PM
mccallcl: Prank Call of Cthulhu: It's because Catholocism is true, that's why I shouldn't be allowed to do naughty things to a wafer?

It's because the guy misrepresented himself to the Church and effectively stole an artifact from it and threatened to deface it. Do you think stealing Church artifacts and threatening to deface them for ransom should be protected speech?

Moreover, do you think the persecution complex many religious people have is entirely unfounded in the face of something like this? Keep pulling stunts like this and "The War on Christmas" is going to start making sense to people. It's just more fuel for the fire.


Guy made a joke and hoped to make a little money, failed miserably except for the "fame" this outrage is garnering him.

Persecution wha? No, this is not a foundation for a persecution complex.
 
2007-10-09 04:20:47 PM
BRENDAN-FACE: Listen, if you were to go to a Hindi service, steal one of their sacred cows and slaughter it in a wonton fashion on the internet, then that would be the same thing. Would you condone such an act?

The key word here is "steal". If the Hindus freely gave him the cow, he could do whatever he wanted with it. That's called freedom, and I am disgusted by people like you who think your religion is justification for taking away everyone else's freedom.
 
2007-10-09 04:21:35 PM
LikeTheSearchEngine: mccallcl: Prank Call of Cthulhu: It's because Catholocism is true, that's why I shouldn't be allowed to do naughty things to a wafer?

It's because the guy misrepresented himself to the Church and effectively stole an artifact from it and threatened to deface it. Do you think stealing Church artifacts and threatening to deface them for ransom should be protected speech?

Moreover, do you think the persecution complex many religious people have is entirely unfounded in the face of something like this? Keep pulling stunts like this and "The War on Christmas" is going to start making sense to people. It's just more fuel for the fire.

Guy made a joke and hoped to make a little money, failed miserably except for the "fame" this outrage is garnering him.

Persecution wha? No, this is not a foundation for a persecution complex.


You forget, any criticism of Christianity or Christians is persecution. They've had it drilled into their head ever since they were children that they're being persecuted.
 
2007-10-09 04:22:20 PM
mccallcl

I don't think it's stealing. The church is giving away the wafer. It's not their property after they've handed it to you, and you don't so far as I know have any sort of "users agreement" that states you will only eat the wafer then and there.

If I stole a crucifix from the church and then went home and used it for nefarious purposes, that would be stealing because the crucifixes stuck up on the wall are not, as far as I know, meant as take-aways.

I hardly think that scourging a cracker can be equated to persecution. Feeding Christians to lions? That's a persecutin'. The Mountain Meadows massacre? That's a persecutin'. Sticking Jews in ovens? You better believe that's a persecutin'. Whacking magic crackers around? Not so much.
 
2007-10-09 04:23:44 PM
TheCid: BRENDAN-FACE: Listen, if you were to go to a Hindi service, steal one of their sacred cows and slaughter it in a wonton fashion on the internet, then that would be the same thing. Would you condone such an act?

The key word here is "steal". If the Hindus freely gave him the cow, he could do whatever he wanted with it. That's called freedom, and I am disgusted by people like you who think your religion is justification for taking away everyone else's freedom.


The Church only "gave" it to him as part of a sacred service which he was pretending to be a part of. He took it under false pretenses. It would be like taking one of these sacred cows after promising the Hindis that you would care for it, and then slaughtering it for laughs iun a public forum.

Again you're wrong. You don't think things through.
 
2007-10-09 04:23:48 PM
Brendan-Face

Listen, if you were to go to a Hindi service, steal one of their sacred cows and slaughter it in a wonton fashion on the internet, then that would be the same thing. Would you condone such an act?

If you equate theft and public slaughter of an animal to "abuse" of a cracker you are not as smart as you try so hard to claim you are and have a seriously warped sense of values.
 
2007-10-09 04:23:51 PM
Prank Call of Cthulhu: Of course, I usually travel with a deck of cards, not weed.

Well there's your problem right there. Besides, just because you're in a hotel doesn't mean you're travelling. I like the card trick, though, it's cool. I would love to write a book about fun stuff to do with typical hotel room accouterments.

drunkenvibe: by law, the priest gave him the wafer, it's his to do whatever he wants with it.

Not if you obtain the wafer under false pretense. It's like lying to Make-A-Wish to get a trip to Disneyworld.
 
2007-10-09 04:24:24 PM
brendan-face, you are one of those assholes that refers to their opinion as fact.

you fail to realize that just as much as you know there is a god, i know there isn't. you have the right to criticize that, mock it, whatever you please. i won't impose my crap on you.
 
2007-10-09 04:28:01 PM
drunkenvibe: brendan-face, you are one of those assholes that refers to their opinion as fact.

you fail to realize that just as much as you know there is a god, i know there isn't. you have the right to criticize that, mock it, whatever you please. i won't impose my crap on you.


You already have by condoning this act. I don't believe my opinion is fact, I've backed up everything I've said with a logical argument drawing on other attrocities that can be seen as equivalent.

It's not my fault that you people hate so much that you cannot see your own hypocricy.
 
2007-10-09 04:28:30 PM
mccallcl:

drunkenvibe: by law, the priest gave him the wafer, it's his to do whatever he wants with it.

Not if you obtain the wafer under false pretense. It's like lying to Make-A-Wish to get a trip to Disneyworld.



hardly the same thing. there is no monetary value in a shiatty tasteless cracker. i doubt there would be a case there. seriously.
 
2007-10-09 04:29:34 PM
BRENDAN-FACE: The Church only "gave" it to him as part of a sacred service which he was pretending to be a part of. He took it under false pretenses.

This is my body, given for you and for all people

That's right out of the liturgy. It's not the church's cracker to give. It's God's gift to man, not the Church's gift to man. The church is just what distributes it. Much like the postman has to right to your mail, the Church doesn't OWN the body of Christ.
 
2007-10-09 04:30:21 PM
gshepnyc: Brendan-Face

Listen, if you were to go to a Hindi service, steal one of their sacred cows and slaughter it in a wonton fashion on the internet, then that would be the same thing. Would you condone such an act?

If you equate theft and public slaughter of an animal to "abuse" of a cracker you are not as smart as you try so hard to claim you are and have a seriously warped sense of values.


They are equivalent items in the two faiths. It's a logical and practical argument. I made my point.
 
2007-10-09 04:31:07 PM
BRENDAN-FACE: I'm smarter than you, I know this issue, and really it doesn't matter what arguments you make, because they will be flawed at base.

Admit you're wrong and this was inappropriate, and then we can have a discussion about how much hate you have for people who are different from you. Okay?


I respect just about anyone's beliefs, as long as they don't try to foist them upon me directly OR they will engage me in a discussion founded on logic...
That said, your "I'm smarter than you, neener neener, I'm not listening LALALALALA" confirms your troll status. Enjoy the rest of the thread.
 
2007-10-09 04:31:22 PM
LikeTheSearchEngine: Guy made a joke and hoped to make a little money, failed miserably except for the "fame" this outrage is garnering him.

We don't know he was joking. If he took a relic out of a church and ransomed it off, he was definitely persecuting Christianity. Similar to GIs flushing Korans down the toilet in front of Muslims (although I heard that was a myth, it was just the closest analog I could come up with)

Prank Call of Cthulhu: I don't think it's stealing. The church is giving away the wafer. It's not their property after they've handed it to you, and you don't so far as I know have any sort of "users agreement" that states you will only eat the wafer then and there.

The wedding cake is for the guests to eat. Try taking the top layer home sometime. If you find yourself arguing legal minutia about how it was "given" to you, don't you think that means you're probably wrong?
 
2007-10-09 04:31:58 PM
It would be like taking one of these sacred cows after promising the Hindis that you would care for it, and then slaughtering it for laughs

IANAL, but I'm pretty sure if there's no signed contract indicating how the "gift" is to be used, whatever you want to do with something once it's given to you is A-OK. As long as you don't violate any animal cruelty laws, you can slaughter the cow despite what you promised.

I'm pretty sure there are no laws covering magic cookies.
 
2007-10-09 04:35:18 PM
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2007-10-09 04:35:31 PM
drunkenvibe: hardly the same thing. there is no monetary value in a shiatty tasteless cracker. i doubt there would be a case there. seriously.

Fine, make it an athlete's visit to your hospital room. Heck, make it day off of work when you're not actually sick. Make it whatever you want, if you get it by falsely representing yourself because you knew full well the Church was not going to let you defile it, you're in the wrong.
 
2007-10-09 04:35:42 PM
The_Religious_Left: BRENDAN-FACE: The Church only "gave" it to him as part of a sacred service which he was pretending to be a part of. He took it under false pretenses.

This is my body, given for you and for all people

That's right out of the liturgy. It's not the church's cracker to give. It's God's gift to man, not the Church's gift to man. The church is just what distributes it. Much like the postman has to right to your mail, the Church doesn't OWN the body of Christ.


That is just stupid. Clearly the Church is to protect the Body of Christ from those who would do it harm. It is a reasonable assumption that someone who approaches the sacriment of the Eucharist will do so in a well-meaning fashion, not in order to disrupt or otherwise demean the entire practice.

These are OUR religious beliefs. This country protects everyone's right to practice their religion as much as it protects everyone's right to speech. In fact both rights are protected by the same amendment. You should not use one in order to deny someone the other. If you do, then you should enjoy neither.
 
2007-10-09 04:36:43 PM
mccallcl:
We don't know he was joking. If he took a relic out of a church and ransomed it off, he was definitely persecuting Christianity.


come one man, be serious. that is absurd.
 
2007-10-09 04:37:03 PM
Prank Call of Cthulhu: I'm pretty sure there are no laws covering magic cookies.

No one is claiming that what he did was illegal. Cheating on your spouse is not illegal, still doesn't make it right.
 
2007-10-09 04:37:12 PM
Prank Call of Cthulhu: I don't think it's stealing. The church is giving away the wafer. It's not their property after they've handed it to you, and you don't so far as I know have any sort of "users agreement" that states you will only eat the wafer then and there.

There is actually an implied agreement that you won't desecrate the host. Most Catholic churches include in their prayer missals instructions about who can take communion and why. It pretty much boils down to "don't take communion if you aren't Catholic" although there are exceptions for certain Orthodox sects that also believe in transubstantiation. If you are Catholic, then you should already know that taking the host is a breach of trust. If you aren't Catholic, then you shouldn't be in the possession of a consecrated host to begin with.

At the end of the day, I don't think anyone is saying this douche should be arrested or otherwise punished for his stunt, just that it is in poor taste.

Then again, farkers would probably find it funny if someone circled a Jewish temple with 1,000 canned hams, so go nuts, people.
 
2007-10-09 04:38:44 PM
nashBridges: Prank Call of Cthulhu: I don't think it's stealing. The church is giving away the wafer. It's not their property after they've handed it to you, and you don't so far as I know have any sort of "users agreement" that states you will only eat the wafer then and there.

There is actually an implied agreement that you won't desecrate the host. Most Catholic churches include in their prayer missals instructions about who can take communion and why. It pretty much boils down to "don't take communion if you aren't Catholic" although there are exceptions for certain Orthodox sects that also believe in transubstantiation. If you are Catholic, then you should already know that taking the host is a breach of trust. If you aren't Catholic, then you shouldn't be in the possession of a consecrated host to begin with.

At the end of the day, I don't think anyone is saying this douche should be arrested or otherwise punished for his stunt, just that it is in poor taste.

Then again, farkers would probably find it funny if someone circled a Jewish temple with 1,000 canned hams, so go nuts, people.


That WOULD be funny.
 
2007-10-09 04:39:09 PM
The wedding cake is for the guests to eat. Try taking the top layer home sometime. If you find yourself arguing legal minutia about how it was "given" to you, don't you think that means you're probably wrong?

Poor analogy. In the church case, everyone is GIVEN the same item, and the question is if you're allowed to pocket it rather than eating it right there. In your example, you're TAKING something that wasn't offered to you.

The Boy Scouts occasionally leave a bag tied to my door for me to put canned goods in for poor people. I choose other avenues for donating to charity (and I don't think the poor need another three-year-old can of pumpkin pie filling), so I use those bags to hold my garbage. Am I doing something illegal? They gave me something, but I'm not using it for its intended purpose.
 
2007-10-09 04:39:18 PM
drunkenvibe: mccallcl:
We don't know he was joking. If he took a relic out of a church and ransomed it off, he was definitely persecuting Christianity.

come one man, be serious. that is absurd.


No, you not understanding what this means to people of the Catholic Faith is what's absurd.
 
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