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(eBay)   Man holds the Body of Christ hostage. Plans to reenact scenes from "The Passion" if auction does not reach an appropriate amount   (cgi.ebay.com) divider line 375
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2007-10-09 03:03:03 PM  
Mercutio74: Any Catholics heard of this theory and does the church support it?

That is nonsense. The Transubstantiation does not occur on the molecular level. The bread changes in form, not in accidents.

"The appearances of bread and wine stay the same, but the very essence of these realities, which can't be viewed by a microscope, is totally transformed."
 
2007-10-09 03:04:02 PM  
As I Catholic I wasn't terribly offended. It is in terrible taste, but you get used to this kind of crap from all you incredibly sophisticated Internet types.

Two things though,
1.) I was suprised at the number of farkers who understood why this wasn't funny even though they aren't Catholic. You are the guys that keep me coming into the forums.

2.) Can you imagine what would happen if we he was threatening to take a dump on a Koran? *poof* there goes ebay headquarters.
 
2007-10-09 03:04:04 PM  
lilplatinum: Insulting a host is in the lower tier of offensive actions.

If you are Catholic, then this is about as insulting as you can get. If you aren't Catholic, then not so much. Catholics believe a consecrated host is the body of Christ. Just because you do not does not make it less offensive to them.

Don't you get it? This is the sacred object. The focus of 2000 years of ritual. Unblessed, it's a crappy piece of mass-produced unleavened bread. Consecrated, it is the very symbol of the church.

I've already said it's enormously disrespectful, and I already noted no one is rioting over it.
 
2007-10-09 03:04:32 PM  
Prank Call of Cthulhu: priest has shook his magic wand over and gone "booga, booga" or whatever it is they do)

This would be more entertaining.

The_Religious_Left: Our church used to use all different kinds of breads. We had banana bread one day. It was yummy.

Could this extend into the realm of pie, perchance? I would consider re-catholicizing for this.

Father Jack Hacket: Scripture does not explicitly say "the bread was transformed" or "changed" in any way, and therefore the doctrine of transubstantiation is unbiblical.

How's this matter? Beliefs are powered by all the people that believe in it, not by what's actually going down.
 
2007-10-09 03:04:35 PM  
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2007-10-09 03:05:55 PM  
dillenger69: You'd think that "the body of christ" would taste less like styrofoam and more like something actually yummy.
At least give your lord some nacho cheese or sour cream and onion flavoring.
Gods should be more tasty than the box they are stored in.


I bet it would taste good with peanut butter or vanilla icing

hand dipped chocolate Eucharist FTW

/The body of Christ *dip* *dip*
 
2007-10-09 03:05:56 PM  
mccallcl: That is nonsense. The Transubstantiation does not occur on the molecular level. The bread changes in form, not in accidents.

I see. I must have grown up with a LOT of uninformed Catholics then. But their answer was probably just a result of a conversation they had with their parents where Mom and Pop didn't have an answer for little Anthony about how the process works.

Oh well, carry on.
 
2007-10-09 03:06:48 PM  
dc-kid: should I find it a little odd that when I clicked I was the 666 person to view that item?

/now a little scared


Is it possible that that was an image added to the auction and not an actual counter? The former seems far more likely.
 
2007-10-09 03:07:20 PM  
mccallcl: That is nonsense. The Transubstantiation does not occur on the molecular level. The bread changes in form, not in accidents.

"The appearances of bread and wine stay the same, but the very essence of these realities, which can't be viewed by a microscope, is totally transformed."


Sounds like holistic medicine to me. If something causes a reaction in the body then a tincture (which no longer contains any) of that something should cure you.
 
2007-10-09 03:07:24 PM  
nashbridges -- If you are Catholic, then this is about as insulting as you can get. If you aren't Catholic, then not so much. Catholics believe a consecrated host is the body of Christ. Just because you do not does not make it less offensive to them.

Thank you for your support! The reason it's not as offensive too me is that it's obvious he doesn't believe that it's the real body of Christ. Poor taste, absolutely but I will not riot....yet.:)
 
2007-10-09 03:07:54 PM  
catholics aren't the only people who exist.
 
2007-10-09 03:08:59 PM  
GreatNOD: dillenger69: You'd think that "the body of christ" would taste less like styrofoam and more like something actually yummy.
At least give your lord some nacho cheese or sour cream and onion flavoring.
Gods should be more tasty than the box they are stored in.

I bet it would taste good with peanut butter or vanilla icing

hand dipped chocolate Eucharist FTW

/The body of Christ *dip* *dip*


I knew a kid in grade school who used to bring hosts in a little baggie for a snack with his lunch. Sometimes he'd have dip for them, sometimes not. It stopped when the nuns found out...even though they weren't blessed. They still thought it was sacrilegious to eat potential Jesus' with sour cream and onion dip...
 
2007-10-09 03:09:26 PM  
nashBridges: Don't you get it? This is the sacred object. The focus of 2000 years of ritual. Unblessed, it's a crappy piece of mass-produced unleavened bread. Consecrated, it is the very symbol of the church.

I've already said it's enormously disrespectful, and I already noted no one is rioting over it.


I thought it was supposed to be a symbol for the body of Christ.
 
2007-10-09 03:09:46 PM  
mccallcl: Mercutio74: Any Catholics heard of this theory and does the church support it?

That is nonsense. The Transubstantiation does not occur on the molecular level. The bread changes in form, not in accidents.

"The appearances of bread and wine stay the same, but the very essence of these realities, which can't be viewed by a microscope, is totally transformed."


the essence of the bread changes?
/kinda snarky, kinda not
//BAM!!!

I'm all for religion, especially if you keep it away from my door, but I respect peoples' right to believe what they want. But you can't tell me that you ACTUALLY believe that bread can be changed into the body of christ. Why is this an important part of your faith? I love that you can just say, yeah it changed, but OH NO you can't see any changes, especially using science. Just seems stupid to me. No, I don't go to church, never taken communion, etc. Believe what you want, but this aspect just seems absurd. I'll go now.
 
2007-10-09 03:09:59 PM  
jynxyu: Sounds like holistic medicine to me. If something causes a reaction in the body then a tincture (which no longer contains any) of that something should cure you.

Much of faith is a holistic experience. The power of belief is, well for lack of a better word, powerful.
 
2007-10-09 03:10:08 PM  
liora: This is offensive and hateful to many devout Catholics. I'm sorry Fark found it appropriate to greenlight. I hope that at least the attention given this page will result in the Ebay account seller being banned from Ebay. Please report this listing to Ebay as offensive. Ebay's policy states
"Sellers may not list items that promote or glorify hatred, violence, racial or religious intolerance, or items that promote organizations with such views."


I don't know if he was banned from E-bay, but the auction has been removed.
 
2007-10-09 03:10:29 PM  
Also, the item appears to be removed from E-Bay. Anyone have a screen shot or cached version of the page? I wanna see what all the fuss is about!
 
2007-10-09 03:11:07 PM  
nashBridges:
Don't you get it? This is the sacred object. The focus of 2000 years of ritual. Unblessed, it's a crappy piece of mass-produced unleavened bread. Consecrated, it is the very symbol of the church.

I've already said it's enormously disrespectful, and I already noted no one is rioting over it.


Far and away less insulting than tricking another religious member into violating his solemn vows or busting in the middle of mass and lighting the bible on fire, and i've had 4 out of 7 sacraments.
 
2007-10-09 03:13:27 PM  
jynxyu: I thought it was supposed to be a symbol for the body of Christ.

Depends on the branch of faith. Orthodox Christians, Orthodox Catholics and Roman Catholics (Episcopalians too? Lutherans?) believe in transubstantiation, which is the actual spiritual change of the sacraments to the body/blood of Christ. The vessel is the bread and wine, but to the soul it is partaking of Christ himself.

Many other Christian faiths - Protestants mostly - who also have a communion believe it is the symbol. I can't remember off the top of my head if Lutherans believe this or not, but I know that most if not all Protestate Christians do not accept transubstantiation.

Its not about seeing a change and having it change physically, but spiritually. Same as believing in having a soul; you can't see it, but through religious practices you are acknowledging it.
 
2007-10-09 03:17:32 PM  
WhatYouSay: Much of faith is a holistic experience. The power of belief is, well for lack of a better word, powerful.

belief - confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof

faith - belief that is not based on proof

And Jesus didn't leave any proof.
 
2007-10-09 03:20:33 PM  
i117.photobucket.com
 
2007-10-09 03:20:58 PM  
And, eBay wisely yanked the auction.

Hope someone managed a screengrab so we can still mock the idiot.

/got nuthin'
 
2007-10-09 03:21:01 PM  
Mercutio74: I see. I must have grown up with a LOT of
uninformed Catholics then.


We're probably the worst-informed of all religions as to our own beliefs. I just happened to have Catholic post-secondary education, and converted as an adult.

Here's an example:

lilplatinum: Far and away less insulting than tricking another religious member into violating his solemn vows or busting in the middle of mass and lighting the bible on fire, and i've had 4 out of 7 sacraments.

Either of those are less offensive than desecrating the Host. Until recently, if the Host touched the floor of the church, the priest would cut up the carpet it touched and burn it, so that no crumbs would remain. The sink in the sacristy is plumbed directly into the ground. The Eucharist is stored in the tabernacle, with a candle to denote the presence of Christ, while the Bible is stored in a drawer. Rolling a joint out of a Bible page and smoking it during Mass is not even a sin. Putting the Eucharist in a toilet could get you excommunicated.
 
2007-10-09 03:22:27 PM  
WhatYouSay: Many other Christian faiths - Protestants mostly - who also have a communion believe it is the symbol. I can't remember off the top of my head if Lutherans believe this or not, but I know that most if not all Protestate Christians do not accept transubstantiation.

Actually, Lutherans say the wafer is the body of Christ (used to attend). As to believing in a soul, that's just a hook to get you to worry about after death.
 
2007-10-09 03:24:32 PM  
gunga galunga

Hmm...cool picture but it is somewhat unsettling... :)
 
2007-10-09 03:26:14 PM  
You know what? It's not your belief, it's not hurting you. You're condoning something that is blatently trying to mock other people's faith. You're just low-class, intollerant people. Never consider yourself to be open-minded in the future, because you've disproved that theory right here.
 
2007-10-09 03:26:58 PM  
mccallcl

I am going to respectfully disagree with you. While there is no question that what an individual who believes does to the consecrated host or any fragments is of mortal importance to their own soul the affect it has on others is not direct. Either of the two examples sited by lilplatinum would be more offensive in my estimation.

You obviously are educated on the matter, but this has always been my understanding.
 
2007-10-09 03:27:35 PM  
Anyone have a capture of the auction for those of us far too slow to see it before EBAY yanked it?
 
2007-10-09 03:28:13 PM  
Shrinkwrap: Could this extend into the realm of pie, perchance? I would consider re-catholicizing for this.

I used to go to a church and the nuns would make the hosts from scratch each morning. Even unleavened, it was damn tasty.

jynxyu: I thought it was supposed to be a symbol for the body of Christ.

Not for a Catholic. This would be one of the primary sticking points between Catholic churches and Protestant churches that also have communion. It's the primary reason other Christians can attend a Catholic mass but should not partake in communion.

lilplatinum: busting in the middle of mass and lighting the bible on fire, and i've had 4 out of 7 sacraments.

Lighting a bible on fire during mass would be less offensive. A bible is not as sacred as a consecrated host. Even a blessed bible is not as sacred.

drunkenvibe: catholics aren't the only people who exist.

? Of course they aren't. I wouldn't expect that the auction would be offensive to anyone who wasn't Catholic. I'm just trying to make people understand why is it offensive if a person is a member of the church.

Even then, if you read through the thread, plenty of Catholics didn't take offense. That's fine, too.
 
2007-10-09 03:29:56 PM  
mccallcl: Rolling a joint out of a Bible page and smoking it during Mass is not even a sin. Putting the Eucharist in a toilet could get you excommunicated.

OK, I LOL'd.

Bible joint.

/he he he he.
 
2007-10-09 03:34:19 PM  
It's been done.
content.answers.com
 
2007-10-09 03:34:31 PM  
nashBridges:
Lighting a bible on fire during mass would be less offensive. A bible is not as sacred as a consecrated host. Even a blessed bible is not as sacred.


The other actions involve multiple people though, all defiling the host does is land yourself in Hell, as opposed to making someone defile the tenants of their faith unkowingly (i.e. feeding a jew or muslim pork)
 
2007-10-09 03:35:18 PM  
BRENDAN-FACE: You know what? It's not your belief, it's not hurting you. You're condoning something that is blatently trying to mock other people's faith. You're just low-class, intollerant people. Never consider yourself to be open-minded in the future, because you've disproved that theory right here.

if this is your thought, you are never allowed to laugh at another mexican, black, retard, arab, gay, etc. joke ever again.

if you have the right to believe that absurd stuff, i have the right to make fun of it.
 
2007-10-09 03:36:11 PM  
mccallcl

Rolling a joint out of a Bible page and smoking it during Mass is not even a sin. Putting the Eucharist in a toilet could get you excommunicated.

I once got laid in a pew, and once got high in a confessional booth, but none of it matters because Jesus loves me. A bumper sticker told me so.
 
2007-10-09 03:37:02 PM  
drunkenvibe: catholics aren't the only people who exist.

No, but that doesn't mean it's okay to mock us, does it? You're not a particularly intelligent person, are you?
 
2007-10-09 03:37:53 PM  
I had no idea that the defilement of wafers held such horror for Catholics. Worse than abusing a bible? Really?

Well, I think I just found the setup for my new version of the Aristocrats joke...
 
2007-10-09 03:39:33 PM  
Prank Call of Cthulhu: I had no idea that the defilement of wafers held such horror for Catholics. Worse than abusing a bible? Really?

Well, I think I just found the setup for my new version of the Aristocrats joke...


Yeah really, although despite their uptightness regarding unleven baked goods and the clergy's penchant for pederastry, I will say Catholic weddings are far more entertaining than protestant ones.
 
2007-10-09 03:40:37 PM  
BRENDAN-FACE

As long as your people are taking my tax dollars to support your bullshiat ideologies like abstinence only programs then I have more than every right to mock the living shiat out of your ridiculous mythology.
 
2007-10-09 03:42:03 PM  
Prank Call of Cthulhu: Worse than abusing a bible? Really?

Really.

lilplatinum: The other actions involve multiple people though, all defiling the host does is land yourself in Hell, as opposed to making someone defile the tenants of their faith unkowingly (i.e. feeding a jew or muslim pork)

Correction. A private desecration of a consecrated host involves only one person. Placing a consecrated host on eBay for the world to see involves many, many people, some of whom are on this thread.
 
2007-10-09 03:42:44 PM  
BRENDAN-FACE: drunkenvibe: catholics aren't the only people who exist.

No, but that doesn't mean it's okay to mock us, does it? You're not a particularly intelligent person, are you?


yes, it is ok to mock you. tell me you never make fun of anything or anyone. if you said that, you'd be a liar.


i am not intelligent at all. i don't believe in something because i was taught that i should, regardless of proof. i should take a book full of myths and interpret it as law.

i understand if it offended all you catholics. it should according to your beliefs. that doesn't mean the guy doesn't have to right to rip on you. if i told any of you hypocrites a jew joke at a bar, you would laugh your ass off. of course, that's not the same, the jews picked the wrong religion, right?
 
2007-10-09 03:42:47 PM  
Bresin: BRENDAN-FACE

As long as your people are taking my tax dollars to support your bullshiat ideologies like abstinence only programs then I have more than every right to mock the living shiat out of your ridiculous mythology.


No, you don't. Especially not like this.
 
2007-10-09 03:43:34 PM  
nashBridges: lilplatinum: The other actions involve multiple people though, all defiling the host does is land yourself in Hell, as opposed to making someone defile the tenants of their faith unkowingly (i.e. feeding a jew or muslim pork)

Correction. A private desecration of a consecrated host involves only one person. Placing a consecrated host on eBay for the world to see involves many, many people, some of whom are on this thread.


So, their sensabilities are offended. Still not as offensive as if someone *forced them* to *personally* commit a sin.

Watching another sin is never as offensive as being forced into sin.
 
2007-10-09 03:44:34 PM  
drunkenvibe: i am not intelligent at all.

Enough said.
 
2007-10-09 03:45:23 PM  
Anyone have a screenshot? I'd like to know whether to laugh or over-react.
 
2007-10-09 03:46:16 PM  
BRENDAN-FACE: No, but that doesn't mean it's okay to mock us, does it? You're not a particularly intelligent person, are you?

It's OK to mock anyone. Unless you're a humorless automaton and you never laugh at humor at anyone else's expense, then you're just a hypocrite over taking offense at something that hits close to home.

/It's a joke, not an assault on your beliefs.
 
2007-10-09 03:46:55 PM  
BRENDAN-FACE: drunkenvibe: i am not intelligent at all.

Enough said.


you sir are mocking my belief that i am intelligent. this is outrageous! how could you?
 
2007-10-09 03:47:05 PM  
mccallcl: WhatYouSay: HBK: FTFebaypage:

A priest gave me a consecrated communion wafer when I last attended Catholic mass. Instead of eating it right then and there, I decided to save it for a later time.

If this is really the case he could probably be excommunicated for desecrating the transubstantiated eucharist. This is also why in Orthodoxy, you can't take the eucharist with you, its given directly to you and you consume it then and there. One reason being is to prevent shenaningans like this.

No priest would have let him out of the church. I have seen a Eucharistic minister grab a guy by the arm and make him eat up right then and there. In any event, this is despicable, but it's a fraud.


Wow. Grabbed him by the arm and made him eat it right then and there? I didn't think it could get creepier but there we are.
 
2007-10-09 03:47:41 PM  
MeadowMuffins: Wow, that was a quick auction! Since most Farkers have a low tolerance for religion, I'm willing to bet a devout eBay employee or one of the 3,000+ viewers noticed it first.

Well, I posted it on a Catholic discussion forum and I'm pretty sure they sent some complaints in
 
2007-10-09 03:48:04 PM  
Now I'm really confused. Other Catholic web sites are saying the biscuit IS the body of Christ while the Catholics (I think y'all are Catholics) are saying it isn't.

One of the many reasons I gave up on religion, too many interpretations of the exact same words, no matter which Bible you choose.
 
2007-10-09 03:48:30 PM  
BRENDAN-FACE

So where do we draw the line? Can we mock anything? Can I mock the ancient Greeks for believing their gods lived on a mountaintop? Can I mock the islanders who believe virgin sacrifice affects volcanic eruption? Can I mock cargo-cults for believing that constructing headsets out of coconut shells and waving sticks around will bring the airplanes back? Can I mock scientologists for believing in B-52s carrying Thetans across space for Xenu? Can I mock the child who believes a monster lives under his bed? Can I mock dowsers for believing they can find water with bent twigs? Can I mock Whitney Houston for being a talentless, coke-addled hag? Can I mock Muslims for believing in a reward of 72 virgins? Can I mock fundamentalist Christians for believing the earth is 6,000 years old or that snakes can talk?

Because from where I'm sitting all those beliefs and the belief that some biscuit turns into Jesus when the priest plunks his magic twanger are all equally (a) wrong, (b) silly, and (c) without place in the modern world.
 
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