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2007-10-04 11:31:42 PM  
Freedom of speech is a two way street.

That said, the kid is still a douchelord.
 
2007-10-04 11:33:06 PM  
desynch: I agree that homosexuality is a mental disorder. Perhaps a chemical imbalance that occured during the persons developmental process as a child.

I'm sure the gays get all offended by this, but it's the sad truth.

Homosexuals - You aren't normal. Something isn't right with your head. Sorry. I'm not going to judge you or condemn you - but something isn't wired properly up there.


Maybe it's a natural method of population control?
 
2007-10-04 11:33:11 PM  
legendary: Coolboy55: 1 Corinthians 6:9-10

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Something missing?
(KJV, not "New American Standard" *shudder*)


There's a new version of the Bible? Isn't that sort of writing your own religion?
 
2007-10-04 11:33:43 PM  
desynch: I agree that homosexuality is a mental disorder. Perhaps a chemical imbalance that occured during the persons developmental process as a child.

I'm sure the gays get all offended by this, but it's the sad truth.

Homosexuals - You aren't normal. Something isn't right with your head. Sorry. I'm not going to judge you or condemn you - but something isn't wired properly up there.


img127.imageshack.us

And this matters to you greatly of course.
// The louder they deny it, the more they desire it.
 
2007-10-04 11:34:08 PM  
He was a dude, who lived, traveled, and slept with, 12 other dudes. They walked everywhere, and wore long flowing robes and sandals.

If that isn't gay...
I don't know what is.

/drinking a lot of wine?
//oh, wait....
 
2007-10-04 11:34:21 PM  
desynch: I agree that homosexuality is a mental disorder. Perhaps a chemical imbalance that occured during the persons developmental process as a child.

There is a distinction: MENTAL is not MEDICAL. Unless I missed the post you are agreeing with I don't think anyone here said it was mental, unless you mean the guy who implied he thought it was congenital.
 
2007-10-04 11:36:23 PM  
Is it the vicodin I'm on or there like four different threads happening in here at once?
 
2007-10-04 11:36:23 PM  
Coolboy55: kc987654: If you believe that you can discredit the Bible with a smug one-liner, you are on the wrong path, my friend. Do some research into the authority, credibility, and accuracy of the Bible (e.g. Gary Habermas).

redbaron303: Effeminate in that case can be translated homosexual. There are many other passages in the New Testament dealing with homosexuality more explicitly, such as the one I quoted from Romans, if you want to play semantics with Corinthians.

squirrelinator: I do not believe that I personally have any right to judge or set up laws with regards to homosexuality. However, the government was instituted by God and has the authority and responsibility to maintain a civil and Christian nation.

"Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. For he is God's minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God's minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience' sake. For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God's ministers attending continually to this very thing. Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor." (Romans 13:1-7)


Um, what? I know you're trolling, but really. "Accuracy?" See, the reason people believe that the Bible is accurate is because they think that if it is in the Bible it is accurate. So if it says the world is 6,000 years ago they believe that--not because there is a single piece of independent evidence, but because that's what the Bible says.

/Paul's an a$$hole
 
2007-10-04 11:36:38 PM  
Coolboy55
I do not believe that I personally have any right to judge or set up laws with regards to homosexuality. However, the government was instituted by God and has the authority and responsibility to maintain a civil and Christian nation.


The government was not set up by god but by men.
You also have demonstrated that you don't think for yourself but just follow an outdated guide book. At least you got the got the humility part right kudos.
 
2007-10-04 11:36:55 PM  
Did anyone notice how many homoerotic pics he has taken and posted of himself on his MySpace page? No straight dude is that into abs.
 
2007-10-04 11:37:19 PM  
squirrelinator: I agree that we are not a Christian nation. We may have been once, and we should be, but we are not. And I don't mean to say that the government should make laws to imprison or execute gays or something like that, but rather to help them. There should be programs to help them with their unfortunate condition, and there are many factors that contribute to sexual sins in our society. These also should be addressed. But realistically, this country is quite clearly beyond hope and is going to hell in a hand basket, by and large. I don't think there is any way to save the country, but even if I could help just one person, my efforts would not have been in vain.
 
2007-10-04 11:38:00 PM  
Coolboy55: judgment will come one day, and it is my responsibility, knowing that there are houses on fire, to alert the occupants.

That's nice. For you.

My primary concern with this Ned Flanders, "hey, by the way, you're a sinner, just lookin' out for ya" approach is that it is INCREDIBLY ineffective. There are many different fields of study that explore what is effective at behavior change -- social work, psychology, behavioral analysis, sociology -- and they will generally agree that passing judgement in a drive-by sort of fashion isn't going to instigate any sort of change for the recipient.

On the other hand, passing said judgements is very likely to create feelings of superiority or other "positive" emotions in the one who thinks they're intervening. So, basically, your approach changes nothing but lets you feel good about yourself at the expense of those you believe are in danger.

The only folks that are going to stop engaging in homosexual behaviors are those that find it dysfunctional and disruptive to their lives, and find motivation for change (assuming there is a significant behavioral component vs. biological imperative). You can actually assist a person in identifying discrepancies between their actions and their goals and in building motivation for change. To do that, you must attempt to learn about the person and assist them in their own development, instead of judging them as sinful and proscribing specific behaviors that meet your preferences.

...

One other point I'd like to make is that the "norm" does not necessarily mean "the majority." If a trait generally exists in some percentage of a population, but not all a population, it has some sort of endemic level and may serve some sort of function. If 2%, 5%, or 10% of the population is homosexual, then the population's norm is that 98%/95%/90% of the population are heterosexual with a non-heterosexual remainder.

A trait is not dysfunctional or deviant simply because it is expressed by a smaller fraction of the population, and not the whole population.

By some of your arguments, being black anywhere from 40 to 200 years ago would be a "disease," due to the social repercussions of being part of the minority. Clearly, the actual problem would be with those holding the racial prejudice, not the victims of that prejudice.
 
2007-10-04 11:38:22 PM  
/Totally off topic:

I just saw this on a Scrubs rerun and I feel it's my civic duty to post it.

Link (new window)
 
2007-10-04 11:40:29 PM  
squirrelinator: Is it the vicodin I'm on or there like four different threads happening in here at once?

It's actually closer to five or six.
 
2007-10-04 11:40:30 PM  
Coolboy55

People have been saying the US is screwed for years. and it hasn't happened. But I will tell you something I KNOW is true. If the US crashes apart, is torn asunder, falls to dust and is no more........ it won't be because some dude likes kissing another dude.
 
2007-10-04 11:40:48 PM  
kc987654: I'm not trolling, and your statement about the Bible is false. There is lots of independent evidence for the accuracy of the Bible, and you would know that if you cared to know it.

ShakaZuluStyle: The truth does not become outdated. Truth is not relative.
 
2007-10-04 11:41:18 PM  
Maynard G. Muskievote: Did anyone notice how many homoerotic pics he has taken and posted of himself on his MySpace page? No straight dude is that into abs.

He's a bodybuilder. Duh, he is into Kanye West and checking his own body out. Nothing ghey about that. Move along, nothing to see here.
 
2007-10-04 11:41:53 PM  
Coolboy55: But realistically, this country is quite clearly beyond hope and is going to hell in a hand basket, by and large. I don't think there is any way to save the country, but even if I could help just one person, my efforts would not have been in vain.


Religion and belief and faith are all man-made. That is a fact. Man cannot escape death. Another fact. There is no Hell. Can't prove a negative. There is no such thing as an afterlife. There is no such thing as eternity.

The only good thing religion has done for humanity is give them hope, so I can't knock it too much. But it is what it is. Sorry, man.
 
2007-10-04 11:42:38 PM  
Coolboy55: something

You could help me out by giving me a hand job.

/provided you aren't ugly
//or wear a bag over your head
 
2007-10-04 11:42:45 PM  
CtrlAltDelete: Who the hell gives a sh*t about the opinions of children?

People who want to control America's future, and have a good captive audience in the present.
 
2007-10-04 11:43:07 PM  
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2007-10-04 11:45:11 PM  
xBodo99: By some of your arguments, being black anywhere from 40 to 200 years ago would be a "disease," due to the social repercussions of being part of the minority. Clearly, the actual problem would be with those holding the racial prejudice, not the victims of that prejudice.

Agreed, except that skin color is purely Mendelian inheritance and homosexuality is not. The "blacks are a disease" argument should not be taken literally as such.
 
2007-10-04 11:46:23 PM  
xBodo99: I partly agree with you. But if I look at Jesus' example, He did not go around trying to convince people that they were not meeting their life goals. He used the law to convict their conscience. I don't know that there is any evidence that there is a more effective way. Some people will not be saved, and there is nothing that we can do about it. We can only spread the truth and let the Holy Spirit work.

squirrelinator: Homosexuality alone won't do it, no. But the whole trend, of which homosexuality and its tolerance (and even acceptance) is part, will. The Roman Empire went the same way.
 
2007-10-04 11:48:26 PM  
I LOL'D
 
2007-10-04 11:48:54 PM  
ferrocene: "The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God."" (Psalm 53:1).
 
2007-10-04 11:49:00 PM  
Coolboy55

I don't see how two dudes marrying will collapse a country. I just don't. But, if you want, we can watch Massachusetts (a state of which I have a seething hatred for for other reasons) burn to the ground any day now...
 
2007-10-04 11:49:10 PM  
Dear Offended People,

Get over it. I'm offended all the time by pretty much everyone I meet throughout the day. I couldn't care less about your problems.

Regards,

Everyone Else
 
2007-10-04 11:49:19 PM  
Coolboy55: ferrocene: "The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God."" (Psalm 53:1).

That was written by a fool.
 
2007-10-04 11:49:27 PM  
xBodo99: One other point I'd like to make is that the "norm" does not necessarily mean "the majority." If a trait generally exists in some percentage of a population, but not all a population, it has some sort of endemic level and may serve some sort of function. If 2%, 5%, or 10% of the population is homosexual, then the population's norm is that 98%/95%/90% of the population are heterosexual with a non-heterosexual remainder.

Genetically/Phenotypically, there is a HUGE difference between 1% and 10% of a large population.

That is because errors in DNA happen at the 1% level, not at the 10% level. The percentage level is one of the biggest evidences that something else is working here.

Again, I'm not pushing the theory, just representing it accurately. From a geneticist perspective, I think it is a scientifically interesting topic.
 
2007-10-04 11:50:38 PM  
Coolboy55: ferrocene: "The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God."" (Psalm 53:1).

If we're just going to start quoting religious texts to bash people, I will pull out my copy of the Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
 
2007-10-04 11:50:44 PM  
ferrocene: The only good thing religion has done for humanity is give them hope

And music, as well as some great musicians.
 
2007-10-04 11:50:50 PM  
ferrocene: xBodo99: By some of your arguments, being black anywhere from 40 to 200 years ago would be a "disease," due to the social repercussions of being part of the minority. Clearly, the actual problem would be with those holding the racial prejudice, not the victims of that prejudice.

Agreed, except that skin color is purely Mendelian inheritance and homosexuality is not. The "blacks are a disease" argument should not be taken literally as such.


Is it Mendelian, though? Shouldn't you then be a uniform black or a uniform white--there are wide variations in skin pigmentation over a range. One could be mocha choca latte ya ya or any number of other shades in between completely dark or my pale irish relatives.

I thought Mendelian was something that had one gene--like blue eyes vs. brown eyes.
 
2007-10-04 11:53:32 PM  
Being gay IS a choice.

The attraction to members of the same sex is biological or genetic,
but they are still perfectly capable of being with members of the opposite sex for procreation. They may not LIKE it, but they can. The arguement that gays would disappear if it were genetic is stupid. Many gay people are in breeder relationships and reproduce before coming out.

When I say being gay is a choice, I'm talking about choosing to act on the attraction. Many gay people choose to stay in the closet and pretend to be hetero.
 
2007-10-04 11:53:34 PM  
redbaron303: /Totally off topic:

I just saw this on a Scrubs rerun and I feel it's my civic duty to post it.

Link (new window)


Lol, awesome.
 
2007-10-04 11:54:51 PM  
Homosexuals - You aren't normal. Something isn't right with your head. Sorry. I'm not going to judge you or condemn you - but something isn't wired properly up there.

Because they aren't driven to procreate? What does that also say about couples who don't want children?

It's funny that one person thinks they have life all figured out, and yet from someone else's perspective, they're doing it all wrong.

I also wonder how they didn't think this would be disruptive. Free speech doesn't mean you automatically get a platform to voice your opinion. The government can't silence you from speaking your mind, generally, but a school paper has no obligation to print what you want to say. Really, do you think that a taxpayer funded, extra-curricular (privilege, remember) paper should waste its space on what is at best discredited ignorance and at worst just plain offensive? Should the administration at a school let an article called "Blacks: genetically inferior" make the cut? I think even my second grade teacher told me that "I hate smelly people" wasn't a topic worth writing about, at least in her classroom. On my own time, of course, anything goes.
 
2007-10-04 11:54:58 PM  
Coolboy55:
Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
 
2007-10-04 11:55:34 PM  
ferrocene: redbaron303: /Totally off topic:

I just saw this on a Scrubs rerun and I feel it's my civic duty to post it.

Link (new window)

Lol, awesome.


Isn't it?

AlaskaFringeDweller: Being gay IS a choice.

The attraction to members of the same sex is biological or genetic,
but they are still perfectly capable of being with members of the opposite sex for procreation. They may not LIKE it, but they can. The arguement that gays would disappear if it were genetic is stupid. Many gay people are in breeder relationships and reproduce before coming out.

When I say being gay is a choice, I'm talking about choosing to act on the attraction. Many gay people choose to stay in the closet and pretend to be hetero.


Curious, do you think you'd be able to fark a guy? Well, you might be able to, but a lot of people would find themselves incapable of "performing" in the circumstance.
 
2007-10-04 11:56:15 PM  
I agree that any action that prevents the possibility to pass on genetic material is against nature. That being said....

Lechery anyone?
 
2007-10-04 11:57:15 PM  
Coolboy55: ferrocene: "The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God."" (Psalm 53:1).

A witty saying proves nothing.

-Voltaire

Still man-made, dude. I know won't be convinced, but just so it's there. And no, it's not the made-up devil trying to invade your mind.
 
2007-10-04 11:57:44 PM  
Coolboy55: Homosexuality alone won't do it, no. But the whole trend, of which homosexuality and its tolerance (and even acceptance) is part, will. The Roman Empire went the same way.

This is true. An army of gay men jumped Romulus Augustus from the bushes and beat him to death with plastic yellow Hello Kitty tote bags.
 
2007-10-04 11:57:46 PM  
Confabulat
I wish I was a student there, so could write my op-ed piece that followers of zombie Jesus are deluded retards who should not be trusted around children.

Because let's face it, that's the real truth.


THIS


Thank you.

/these topics are why I LOVE Fark
 
2007-10-04 11:58:10 PM  
Michael10101: I agree that any action that prevents the possibility to pass on genetic material is against nature. That being said....

Lechery anyone?


Geez, lunch with you must be fun.

/I'm sure most would draw the line at sexual actions
 
2007-10-04 11:59:59 PM  
seventypercent: This is true. An army of gay men jumped Romulus Augustus from the bushes and beat him to death with plastic yellow Hello Kitty tote bags.

Now that's hilarious.

Did you know that Emperor Fabulous Maximus was the start of the downfall of Rome?
 
2007-10-05 12:00:09 AM  
Coolboy55: ferrocene: "The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God."" (Psalm 53:1).

You are still basing your argument on the very item that is in question. It is like the dictionary, you can't use what you are defining (validating in this case) in the definition. Quoting the bible, when the bible itself is being questioned, as if it is some sort of universal authority is, bluntly, stupid. It is a fallacy. A failure in logic. But then, anyone who believes that crap is probably not that concerned with logic anyway.

Analogy: A person challenges the truthfulness of the Petraus report. Another defends the report by quoting the report itself naming a statistic like "Violence has gone down." But it proves nothing. Because the person who is challenging the report is questioning the validity of the report, so trying to use it to back your argument for it's own validity is circular reasoning. A fallacy. "The bible is correct because the bible says it is correct."

Stupidity, and Insanity, hand in hand, walking off in to the sunset.
 
2007-10-05 12:00:38 AM  
prettywarrior: kc987654: prettywarrior: To everyone bashing the South because this kid is ignorant:
His Myspace page lists his hometown as "New Jersey"
/just sayin'

Right, he was expelled from New Jersey--that should tell you something right there...

It tells me the same thing that 5 years of reading Fark has told me:
STUPID PEOPLE ARE EVERYWHERE!


Same can be said that rednecks live in all 50 states and more than a few countries. It's not just a suthurn' anomaly.

IF this principal wants to leave the issue as is, then I think a proper response is to let the writers defend it on their own. If they think it's a truly mental disorder (I'm quite certain that they picked those as a comparison as a veil to their own personal bias toward each) then they can 1) Do the research to back up the claims and 2)Answer any and all questions from dissidents of their opinions they claim to be facts in front of various groups NOT at their high school. And just for fun 3)Have their parents do the same as a control, so we can all see where these kids really get their bias from.

Let's see if they survive that.
 
2007-10-05 12:00:54 AM  
The article is correct. Time and time again it has been shown that sexual attraction is mostly a matter of "nature" rather than "nurture". Questions of morality aside homosexuality is "unnatural" in the sense that it is non-reproductive. Now from a societal point of view homosexuality between adults is an acceptable aberration in that no one is harmed and human beings should be free to love whom they chose. However, other aberrant attractions, equally a matter of nature, such as pedophilia are unacceptable because it involves those who cannot consent or protect themselves from unwanted advances.
 
2007-10-05 12:01:38 AM  
whatshisname: seventypercent: This is true. An army of gay men jumped Romulus Augustus from the bushes and beat him to death with plastic yellow Hello Kitty tote bags.

Didn't Caligula set a few records?
 
2007-10-05 12:02:32 AM  
whatshisname: Did you know that Emperor Fabulous Maximus was the start of the downfall of Rome?

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2007-10-05 12:03:06 AM  
z.about.com

The kid does have a point, at least in some cases...
 
2007-10-05 12:03:13 AM  
redbaron303: Coolboy55: ferrocene: "The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God."" (Psalm 53:1).

If we're just going to start quoting religious texts to bash people, I will pull out my copy of the Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.


I'll grab The Guide™ and let's compare.
 
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