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(News.com.au)   Seventy-three percent of all people arrested for crimes in Australia test positive for marijuana. Wait a minute -- isn't NORML telling us that pot is harmless and doesn't lead to crime?   ( news.com.au) divider line
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2007-09-30 09:18:09 PM  
dudemanbro: I hate to tell you but piracy seems to be growing (pops), not shrinking.

This is fantastic news for global climate trends!
 
2007-09-30 09:35:45 PM  
phaedrusiszen: No, no. Not at all. My farky on you is over pure respect.
I have some misgivings about law enforcement. Your statements have given me renewed hope. So for that, I thank you. And as such, I put you in farky, so remind me that there are people that really care in authority.


Well, thank you. I wish I could see this thread through until it hits the main page, but the family calls. Football Sunday = Pizza Sunday. So we'll see.
 
2007-09-30 10:16:15 PM  
phaedrusiszen: And that means nothing.
I don't smoke pot anymore. Nothing against it, just not my thing.
I never, ever would have conceived of committing a crime on that stuff. I would have felt horribly guilty.
These people would have committed a crime on pot or not.


Ditto

And - if you don't care that a harmful act like mugging someone is illegal, wouldn't you be even less inclined to care that a harmless act like cathing a little buzz is not legal?
 
2007-09-30 10:17:41 PM  
jestme: cathing

catching

FTFM
 
2007-09-30 10:22:35 PM  
TexasPeace: But if only 20% smoke weed (hypothetically), yet 80% arrested "for crimes" test positive, then there is a basis for investigating the possibility of one variable independently (causation) influencing the other.

100% of them poop. You said it yourself. Pooping must lead to crime.
 
2007-09-30 11:41:15 PM  
I'll bet 100% of them breath air and have blood running through their veins too. Surely that is the cause of crime.
 
2007-09-30 11:43:39 PM  
DUMA statistics also showed 83 per cent of female offenders and 82 per cent of male offenders had reported heavy alcohol use at some time in the 30 days before their offence.

I'm ok with making marijuana illegal so long as alcohol is also illegal. Or better yet how about we make them both legal, and those can't be responsible for their own personal consumption limits be punished for their lack of self control...
 
2007-09-30 11:43:45 PM  
TOKE UP biatchES!
 
2007-09-30 11:43:46 PM  
OMG you mean if someone is willing to break the law they might not care if they break the law?

Of course, they lie to you about cannabis so they may be lying to you about other things, so why should you follow their laws? It seems like they make laws based on their preferences rather than reason.
 
2007-09-30 11:45:12 PM  
Getting high is like being a terrorist and a pirate at the same time!
 
2007-09-30 11:46:14 PM  
Norad: TylerEaves: I'd bet about 99.9% had had a beer in the last week? Your point being?

Beer ain't illegal, genius.


Should be? Causes alot more crime and accidents than pot does.
 
2007-09-30 11:46:20 PM  
TexasPeace: But if only 20% smoke weed (hypothetically), yet 80% arrested "for crimes" test positive, then there is a basis for investigating the possibility of one variable independently (causation) influencing the other.

How about this hypothesis: the sort of people who go out and buy marijuana while it's illegal (and therefore commit a crime) are more likely than the general population to commit other crimes.

The "causation" argument here uses the same sort of pseudo-logic the "video games cause violence" people use.
 
2007-09-30 11:47:40 PM  
Its well-proven marijuana causes brain damage.

The pro-pot lobby is the most pernicious, child-abusive lobby extant because they persist in trying to convince the easily convinced that pot is harmless.

Its despicable. Luckily, potheads are usually too stoned to vote when it comes time to legalize it.
 
2007-09-30 11:47:59 PM  
If 73% of the criminals were busted for posession of marijuana and/or the sell of marijuana, then it makes sense.

/DNRTFA
 
2007-09-30 11:48:59 PM  
Subby ... Must suck to go for teh funny and make a fool of yourself instead.
 
2007-09-30 11:49:24 PM  
27 per cent of all people arrested for crimes in Australia wish they had some marijuana.
 
2007-09-30 11:49:25 PM  
NORML is the National Organization...not the International Organization...that would be "INORML". So, obviously, whatever they say doesn't apply in Australia anyway :)
 
2007-09-30 11:49:42 PM  
i think this is because 3/4 of people in darwin are on drugs

also, i think that the fact it's illegal means that people who care about that will be turned off, whereas people that don't won't be turned off...leading to a higher proportion of 'scofflaws' smoking than the more straight laced folk
 
2007-09-30 11:49:55 PM  
When I was in jail they asked if I needed any medications and I said I had a marijuana prescription... they all laughed and said so did everyone else there!

I'm glad all the non-violent offenders are overcrowding our jails so that the killers and people that execute babies at gunpoint can be free to rape and plunder without interference.
 
2007-09-30 11:50:04 PM  
Norad: Beer ain't illegal, genius.

Well then, maybe it should be.
 
2007-09-30 11:50:09 PM  
Wasn't Australia originally a penal colony?

You think that might have something to do with the crime there?
 
2007-09-30 11:50:32 PM  
Maybe you should drive

Three years ago I thought you were an idiot. Today, I think you are among the most intelligent people on fark. I'll let you decide if that is a compliment or a put-down.

Seconded.

Also; awesome commentary. I commend you on - well, everything. It's good to see a good cop.
 
2007-09-30 11:50:45 PM  
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2007-09-30 11:51:43 PM  
 
2007-09-30 11:52:03 PM  
Actually, I was going to ask - what happened to your worldview in the past couple of years, Weav? I used to be absolutely convinced that a fairy died somewhere everytime I agreed with you. Now it's completely the opposite. What gives?
 
2007-09-30 11:52:05 PM  
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2007-09-30 11:52:34 PM  
Dolfin: TOKE UP biatchES!

Either mind the filter, or don't type in all caps.
 
2007-09-30 11:52:38 PM  
I wonder how many people arrested for crimes have used guns?

How about used alcohol?

And what's the percentage of use in the general population?

Then it goes on to say Australia should legalize drugs...

"She said Australian Governments needed to be tougher on illicit drugs.

"Then, and only then, will we begin to get the results similar to those countries that have been successful reducing illicit drug use,""
 
2007-09-30 11:52:43 PM  
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2007-09-30 11:52:44 PM  
Whoa, knee-jerk statisticians. Correlation may not mean causation, but 73% is a much higher proportion than the overall population. Comparisons to beer, breathing, etc. are not relevant.
 
2007-09-30 11:52:45 PM  
Yo Subby...


//fixed
 
2007-09-30 11:53:19 PM  
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2007-09-30 11:53:30 PM  
DAMMIT Ok, no more HTML for me

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation
 
2007-09-30 11:53:34 PM  
I just want to know if I drink a beer will I be more likely to get laid? The commercials seem to say so.
 
2007-09-30 11:53:46 PM  
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"Whether you suffer from glaucoma or you've just rented The Matrix...I'm unavailable for comment."
 
2007-09-30 11:54:00 PM  
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2007-09-30 11:54:19 PM  
I wonder how many of them ate some sort of bread product before committing a crime.
 
2007-09-30 11:54:41 PM  
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2007-09-30 11:54:46 PM  
StormnMormon: Norad: TylerEaves: I'd bet about 99.9% had had a beer in the last week? Your point being?

Beer ain't illegal, genius.

Should be? Causes alot more crime and accidents than pot does.


Pot causes crime (aside from dealing/possession? When did this happen?

/Would absolutely love it if the rest of the asshats in the dorm would toke rather than drink.
//Or just learn that getting drunk isn't a requirement of drinking.
 
2007-09-30 11:55:17 PM  
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2007-09-30 11:55:40 PM  
Dear subby:

100% of all criminals breathe air. Also, they have blood. Obviously, both air and blood are major causes of crime.

In conclusion, you are a major league douchebag.
 
2007-09-30 11:55:52 PM  
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2007-09-30 11:56:08 PM  
I see what you did there.
 
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2007-09-30 11:56:41 PM  
This is story is DARWIN, not ALL AUSTRALIA, and is akin to saying "3 of 4 people in the Appalachians arrested are on drugs" but morphing the headline to "3 of 4 people in the United States arrested are on drugs".

Is this typical idiot American geography or just some right wing whacko who found--in spite of all the headlines lately showing there might be real benefits to pot--a headline to support throwing people in prison for 10 years for owning plants.
 
2007-09-30 11:56:45 PM  
phaedrusiszen: I've seen way too many shootouts over marijuana sales to want it in my neighborhood. That doesn't mean the blame belongs with the plant, it means the blame belongs with the policy. But that distinction won't help when it's my neighborhood involved. Sad but true.

During prohibition, there were shootouts between alcohol dealers. When was the last time you saw the Bud delivery guy shooting at the Miller delivery guy?
 
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2007-09-30 11:58:10 PM  
ScubaDude1960 When was the last time you saw the Bud delivery guy shooting at the Miller delivery guy?

Amen brother. How do people like who ignore the logic of these core facts even have enough brain power to keep a pulse going...
 
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