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2002-09-24 03:37:43 PM  
We shouldn't intefere with nature? Maybe when we "intefere with nature" we're not really interfering. We're part of nature, or have we somehow become separate?

Sure, we can think, but that's just a new variable to add to natural selection. If we manage to kill off all other life forms, and pollute the atmosphere, then we die. Natural selection again.

What goes around, comes around.
 
2002-09-24 03:38:22 PM  
"Must subvert food chain"

Must subvert small cranium
Must subvert fear of fire
Must subvert back hair
Must subvert inability to fly
Must subvert mink loincloth
Must subvert killing all rivals with a rock
Must subvert urge to club woman over the head and drag her to cave
 
2002-09-24 03:40:28 PM  
"I really miss the taste of steak sometimes, but I don't think I could even eat it just yet. It still smells WONDERFUL, but I get thoughts of cows munching on other ground up cows and some of that slaughterhouse visual, and I just couldn't keep it down after that. Maybe someday..."

Urbn: I'm in the same boat you are. Gave up eating meat because of the factory farming issue. Just recently, I found a small farm near where I work which raises organic, free-ranch chickens, pigs etc. After visiting, talking with the farmer and being shown around, they've found a customer. Where do you live? Chances are, there is someone doing something like this near you.
 
2002-09-24 03:41:30 PM  

Yeah, I had a ball python for about two weeks at Bama, until I realized that I was NOT cool with sacrificing mice to it. I did it once - the mouse let out a little "eep!" and that was all it took. The next mouse, I just let go by a dumpster and a field.

Consequently, I sold the snake in just days to a freshman for a profit! (Tee-hee)

 
2002-09-24 03:50:19 PM  
yeah, my moment of realization came when I was hitting stones at things with a catapult (when i was in middle school). I aimed at a goat and hit it on it's leg. The goat didn't look up and it wasn't surprised. All it did was keep walking, only this time with a limp. That was a slap on my face. The barbarian in me died.

Okay don't make fun of me now...
 
2002-09-24 04:01:11 PM  

Ohthefelinity: Man interferes with nature all the time! Oh wait so does everything! There is no such thing as unnatural!

If anyone can find an example of something unnatural, I'll give you all my money!

 
2002-09-24 04:03:33 PM  
 
2002-09-24 04:04:29 PM  
Kurtu5 loses all his money!!!
 
2002-09-24 04:05:42 PM  
Kurtu5,
That's a human ear growing from a genetically engineered mouse.
I believe you owe me all your money.
Now pony up that 10 bucks, kid.
 
2002-09-24 04:08:09 PM  
Previous posters have asked how we can react so differently when bad things happen to cute animals vs. bad things happening to animals that aren't cute.

We can find our answer by going back to an old guideline, the PC Primer. This valuable resource helps us all to become more politically correct, and answers many questions including this one:

Q: HOW DO I KNOW WHEN AN ANIMAL HAS RIGHTS?

The general rule is as follows:

IF AN ANIMAL IS RARE, PRETTY, BIG, CUTE, FURRY, HUGGABLE, OR LOVABLE, THEN IT HAS RIGHTS.

Examine the following chart:

RIGHTS NO RIGHTS
-------- -----------
cows cockroaches
cute bunnies flies
dolphins in tuna nets tuna in tuna nets
whales sharks
red squirrels gray squirrels
owls loggers
harbor seals barnacles
 
2002-09-24 04:09:20 PM  
Ack...the chart got munged. Try again...


RIGHTS NO RIGHTS
-------- -----------
cows cockroaches
cute bunnies flies
dolphins in tuna nets tuna in tuna nets
whales sharks
red squirrels gray squirrels
owls loggers
harbor seals barnacles
 
2002-09-24 04:09:38 PM  
CheekyMonkey
Seattle, WA. There are a lot of vegan/organic peoples out this way so I can find most things I want. There is one farm I know of that I can get free range, organically fed chickens(for chicken meat and eggs), but still not a place that I feel safe eating of their cows or pigs. In one of the grocery markets I go to, there are steaks labeled natural and they say they are from Oregon, but I've not been able to get further info. And I read that they relabel meat all the time so you just never know. They also relabel it after it has already expired and that's just disgusting.
 
2002-09-24 04:12:19 PM  
fark it... if this doesn't work, the Fark Filter has won.
RIGHTS NO RIGHTS
-------- -----------
cows ....................... cockroaches
cute bunnies ............... flies
dolphins in tuna nets ...... tuna in tuna nets
whales ..................... sharks
red squirrels .............. gray squirrels
owls ....................... loggers
harbor seals ............... barnacles
 
2002-09-24 04:20:34 PM  
Crimethink
It's more than just that for some people for this particular case. Dogs are pets, while cockroaches, flies, gray squirrels, loggers, barnacles, tunas, sharks, and even most of the animals on your Rights list are not. Dogs have been a part of man's existence and have been domesticated by men for thousands of years. There is a very different bond and viewpoint involved.

Although, I think people should worry more about preventing unwanted pets than a few sickly puppies being eaten by a snake rather than gassed. People often let their emotions do the thinking for them. Rather than buckling down and doing something real to educate pet owners and prevent unwanted pets, or adopt a stray, people would rather just feel sorry for these puppies which had no future anyway. It's much like the people who want to stop abortions by starting when the mother is already pregnant and without many other VIABLE options, rather than pumping up family planning education and access, preventing unwanted pregnancies in the first place, helping already living children who are at-risk for repeating the cycle improve their quality of life, or adopting a child from one of these people who didn't have an abortion but is unfit or unable to raise the child.
 
2002-09-24 04:24:59 PM  
Back when I was in high school I worked part time for a local vet and on Tuesdays and Thursdays we traveled to a nearby cities to do vet work at their animal shelters. Sometimes we gave shots and stuff for pets being adopted out but for the most part we did euthanasia. Maybe because I grew up on a farm and killing animals wasn’t exactly foreign to me, but after killing the first dozen or so cats and dogs it became nothing but drudgery. About the only thought I gave to it was holding the dogs and cats in a way so as to not get bit and biatching when you had a stinking big ass dead dog to lift into the dumpster.
 
2002-09-24 04:26:31 PM  
"Seattle, WA. There are a lot of vegan/organic peoples out this way so I can find most things I want. There is one farm I know of that I can get free range, organically fed chickens(for chicken meat and eggs), but still not a place that I feel safe eating of their cows or pigs. In one of the grocery markets I go to, there are steaks labeled natural and they say they are from Oregon, but I've not been able to get further info. And I read that they relabel meat all the time so you just never know. They also relabel it after it has already expired and that's just disgusting."

Urbn: I'm in New Jersey, so I can't help you. My sister's in Redmond - I'll shoot her an email. I'm with you on the labelling thing - I pretty much did not eat any meat until I found this farm, and could actually walk around and see all the animals and the conditions in which they are raised.
 
2002-09-24 04:31:29 PM  
Thanks, Cheeky. I'll check back here if you do hear anything from your sister. Have a good one! :)
 
2002-09-24 04:41:35 PM  
Please : What is unnatural about a organism called homo sapiens sapiens causing another organism to grow its own tissue around a foreigh object placed under its skin? Bacteria do this stuff all the time, are they then unnatural?
 
2002-09-24 04:41:54 PM  
Can we dispense with the canard that valuing the lives of some animals over others is logically inconsistent? We practice anthropomorphic prioritizing all the time with animals. The people who constantly, stupidly, lamely ask: "So you can x to y but not z because z is cute?" Right. We place higher value on animals in which we perceive human tendenicies or with those who have more of an emotional rapport with us. That's how it is. We don't view roaches and puppies the same way. Why is this remotely surprising to anyone?

And the villains here are the vile, wholly irresponsible animal owners who don't spay or neuter their pets. It's these worthless assholes who cause the death of millions of dogs and cats each year.

...and in other news, Irish travelling pike mother who beat the shiat out of her child in front of a video camera remains free on bail. People's priorities are so screwed up.

Why? I can't stand kids. They're burdens on society, they engender a sense of entitlement in their parents, they suck away my tax dollars. I have zero respect for people who base their self-worth on the fact that they have kids. I'm far more concerned with the welfare of dogs than I am with kids.
 
2002-09-24 04:43:34 PM  
I was waiting for Kurtu5 to come up with some excuse...darn I should've betted on that and made some money!
 
2002-09-24 04:48:11 PM  
"Thanks, Cheeky. I'll check back here if you do hear anything from your sister. Have a good one! :)"

Urbn: I'm unlikely to hear back from her today, but if I find something out, I'll find you in another thread. I do know that she does most of her shopping at a food co-op called PCC.
 
2002-09-24 04:48:33 PM  
Please: I'm looking for anything that does not occur in the nautral world. If you are implying that use of technological tools is unnatural, then are the evaporative cooling towers termites build in thier mounds unnatural? Or what about birds that use smoke from fires/cigarettes to kill parasite in their feather? Or what about single celled organisms using magnetite particles in their mebranes to align with magnetic fields? Or whales using the density layers in the oceans to communicate with other whales globally? Tell me something that is not natural.
 
2002-09-24 04:53:47 PM  
Bulb007 And no these are not excuses. The example presented has not been argured to be unnatural sufficeintly enough for it to be deemed unnatural.
 
2002-09-24 04:55:32 PM  
We need a Detroit tag!
 
2002-09-24 04:57:19 PM  
Kurtu Word up bro. ;)

People who think that technology is unnatural are anti-darwinistic fools.

NOTHING about our world is UNNATURAL - unless somehow we've been influenced by beings from another world.

Pollution - natural
Recycling - natural
Porn - natural
Breast augmentation - natural
Arguing over what's natural - well, you get my point.

Live long and perspire
 
2002-09-24 05:00:30 PM  

Oh, now I get it.

They should have gassed the puppies and the snake.

That way the PETA nazi's wouldn't be so mad.


despite how much you personally hate PETA, their opinion is "monoxide gasing is cruel". I don't think they would object to doomed puppies being snake food. just another small mammal we feed to pet snakes.

The snake sounds like it has other issues though with that behavior. It is very unlikely be adopted. A snake can be released back into it's habitat though (if someone wants to foot the bill for the flight), unlike other domesticated species.
 
2002-09-24 05:06:11 PM  

DarkJohnson-Thanks for your support. Rembember that aliens if they exist are natural as well. Hell, meteor impacts have been sending rock encrusted bacterial spores to other stars for the past 4 billion years or so, so the natural biosphere is galactic in scale, perhaps intergalactic.

And yes I know this is getting off topic.

 
2002-09-24 05:13:15 PM  
Kurtu5 yeah...I guess I had to draw the line somewhere and I figured the ozone layer was a good as anyplace...but it does have holes, don't it?

I just laugh when "naturalists" start telling me my Nacho Ranch Cheetos aren't natural.

Geeeze...
 
2002-09-24 05:13:20 PM  
I think feeding unwanted puppies to snakes is inhumane. The argument that "they are going to die anyway so let's get some use out of them" is very thin. I don't know how many of you have ever seen an animal eaten by a constrictor but it's not very pretty. The prey animal is put through a lot of pain before it is swallowed whole to slowly be digested by the snake's strong stomach acids. I don't see why putting a puppy through this is better than simply gassing it. Following this logic, we should allow medical students to run tests on the puppies before they are killed. This would be "putting them to good use".
Sometimes I don't understand the lack of compassion out there.
 
2002-09-24 05:13:49 PM  
"The vast majority of the thousands of unwanted animals that go through the Detroit facility each year die by carbon monoxide gassing, according to city statistics.

Animal rights groups have criticized the method calling it outdated and extremely painful."



Since when is carbon monoxide gassing painful? Most people who die from this either just fall asleep, or they are already asleep, and never wake up. And I've never heard a single report of pain from people who were rescued from homes with a bad furnace either.

Stupid animals rights groups with their farking propaganda.
 
2002-09-24 05:21:44 PM  
Following this logic, we should allow medical students to run tests on the puppies before they are killed. This would be "putting them to good use".

Sounds like a plan to me. Plenty of unwanted puppies out there that would just be killed anyway, so there's enough for the snakes and the lab testing. You're a genius, dude.
 
2002-09-24 05:23:47 PM  
Ragingleonard I've seen it. Used to have a Boa. Fed him rats and when they weren't available, HAMSTERS.

Pretty is all subjective. I found it facinating and...natural. (oh that word)

If all the farkers that are biatching about this would adopt a full litter of puppies, then there wouldn't be any left to feed the snakes and threads like this would never occur again...

Before you type...think of the puppies, go forth and adopt and shut the fark up. Me...I'll feed the snake.
 
2002-09-24 05:40:04 PM  

RaginLeonard - About the thinness of the argument. Hmm. The peta video I link earlier seemed to show that even an injection is pretty distressfull. Some have said that CO poisining is pretty sick to see. When reading up on this through google I came across a couple descriptions on how animals are euthanized.

Another pretty wierd way is to use rapid decompression. Yeah thats right, evacutaing as much air out of a vessel with serveral animals in it. Think the vilian's fate in moonraker. PETA said they dont like this practice as fualty equipment can sometimes rapidly repressure, leaving animals in great pain because of the embolisms that only partially collapse. And its kinda like a NAZI gas chamber IMHO. Bodies shoved in a container, wating for gas bullbes to form in the brain.

As for the distress about being eating by a constrictor, I don't think its that bad. Am I am speaking from personal experience.
1st: the animal isn't alive as its digested, so you objection there is pointless.
2nd: the personal experience. Has anyone done the kiddie trick for getting "high"? That is to hyperventilate while bent over then standing up real quick and having someone press on your sternum while you hold your breath. I remeber wanting to breath but not having any pain... Then a grayness comes across one's vision and soon one wakes up on the floor disoriented, thinking the experience lasted minutes. But one's friends say you slumped to the floor after a couple seconds and woke up in 5 secs.

P.S. and no character attack will discount the validity of what I just said.

 
2002-09-24 05:44:16 PM  
I certainly have my own, personal opionions on the subject of feeding live puppies to a snake. But I'll just keep those to myself.
I believe the moral outrage lies in the fact that it was an employee who took it upon herself to rid the shelter of the puppies that may, or may not, have been euthanized. What she did is wrong, regardless of her purpose. You don't steal from your employer and you don't act above your entitlement on your job.
 
2002-09-24 05:47:11 PM  
The real problem (IMO) is that there are too many irresponsible pet owners who do not fix their dogs and cats.
As well as too many dumbasses who have no idea how much responsibility it takes to keep a pet.

BTW, I agree with adopting animals from shelters/rescues. My puppy was dumped in our yard to die by some worthless subHuman and we're giving him the best life we can. All three of our kats are from shelters and our rat is one we saved from a snake's dinner plate. So I put my money where my mouth is.

You're right, pretty IS subjective. God knows I love the beauty of a good slasher flick.

If a person believes that feeding a captive born rodent to a captive born boa is completely natural than how can I argue?
But I ate a captive born pig for breakfast so what do I know?

Finally, I have a penis so I don't need a snake wrapped around my shoulders.
Just kidding.
 
2002-09-24 05:47:23 PM  
Please

That is NOT a picture of an ear growing on a geneticallyl engineered mouse. Kurtu5 can keep his money, for now.

Mouse Wears Human Ear

It might look like the work of a mad scientist but the mouse with a human ear growing out of its back is simply a host. You won't find this mouse at the circus. It's at the University of Massachusetts where Dr. Charles Vacanti put a mold resembling the shape of a human ear into the back of the mouse.
The doc is helping researchers fine tune the technology that will let them regrow ears and noses for people. It was a plastic surgeon from the Children's Hospital who suggested growing ears on mice. Dr. Joe Upton sees kids born without ears or boys who have had their ears chewed off in playground fights. He can't sew them back on cuz they've been so badly chewed.

How the 'ear' works has to do with what it's made out of and the mouse. The mold is made from special fibers that are biodegradable. Before the mold is implanted into the back of a hairless mouse, it is covered with human cartilage cells - the same cells our ears are made from. Blood from the mouse help the cartilage cells grow and eventually replace the fibers. What you end up with is a piece of cartilage in the shape of an ear. Researchers say, after the child's new ear is removed from the mouse, the hairless rodent remains alive and healthy.


Now, this was the first cite that came up when I googled, but at least it's from a site that most Farker's should be able to comprehend.
 
2002-09-24 05:48:22 PM  
Dude, I really am annoyed with the moderators that will allow a dumb tag to go through...

Weird? hello that qualifies as a sick...
 
2002-09-24 05:50:34 PM  
Ya' know what? I'm outta' here. I can't argue today. Just know this...
I am right and always will be!
 
2002-09-24 05:53:15 PM  
Ragingleonard know this...the snake was my wife's. Oh yeah...you heard me right.

She got rid of it when it snapped at her and started demanding puppies for dinner.
 
2002-09-24 06:04:30 PM  
It's been mentioned before. But what I hate about this is that the woman who was caught beating her child on camera in a blatent case of abuse will get less prison time and more popular support than this puppy-killing snake-feeder.
Worse, they probably killed more unwanted puppies/kittens a week using the more "humaine" process of using CO on them.

Just another sign of our screwed up legal system when DOGS are protected before human children.
 
Kiz
2002-09-24 06:06:42 PM  
"Natural" can mean "within the laws of nature", as opposed to something being "supernatural" meaning in violation of the laws of nature/physics.

It can ALSO mean "without human intervention", as in "naturally occurring" and as opposed to "unnatural" meaning "only due to human intervention".

It can ALSO mean "normal" with "unnatural" meaning "abnormal".

Welcome to the English language. Yes, it's all farked up.
 
2002-09-24 06:13:39 PM  
Ah, but all those definitions are made by human intervention. So they are in them selves unnatural thus making them null and void by their own definition.

Unless of course human intervention IS natural...it sure seems to be for this poor lady. The humans are intervening with her choice of snake food products.

Unregulate the use of puppies, NOW!!!
 
2002-09-24 06:32:32 PM  
Yes words can be very subjective. Most disagreement comes from assuming the other person is using your particular definition. Thats why scientific language can be so cool - sometimes.
 
2002-09-24 06:47:16 PM  
That video wasn't very traumatic... dogs do the same thing when you put them under for surgery. All your pets went through that if you had them neutered or spayed.

PETA should have congratulated them on not being cruel to the snake any longer by not feeding it. If this place has such a small budget that they are using CO to kill animals, they can't afford to feed a snake unless they do something like this. The alternative would have been to gas all the puppies and the snake.
 
2002-09-24 06:48:02 PM  
What do the animal rights people mean when they say this method is "outdated"? Are kittens the trend now?

Ha, a snake killing a kitten... so funny...

Puppies at one week are useless blind blobs anyway, just like any other self respecting predator mammal.

Recycle, reuse, repackage.

At first blush this is a gross scenario, but on consideration she's a conservationist (draws a long bow...)

Recycle, reuse, repackage.

The lady was doing a service to the environment as the CO gassed puppy bodies would have been buried in a land fill some where.


Funny how so many animal rights activists and tree huggers have no appreciation of the violence of nature.

So many contradictions.
 
2002-09-24 07:16:49 PM  
Blueeyes77

I don't know if anyone mentioned it our not, but mules are sterile. You cannot bred 2 mules together and get a baby mules. How you do it is you take a donkey and breed it with a horse, the end result a mule. Mules are 100% sterile. So it can be done you just need to screw with genetics.
 
2002-09-24 07:42:58 PM  
It's been mentioned before. But what I hate about this is that the woman who was caught beating her child on camera in a blatent case of abuse will get less prison time and more popular support than this puppy-killing snake-feeder.
Worse, they probably killed more unwanted puppies/kittens a week using the more "humaine" process of using CO on them.

Just another sign of our screwed up legal system when DOGS are protected before human children.


What a crock. Of course, that's to be expected from the "Won't someone please think of the children" crowd. Do you think we'd be hearing a bit more about this story if a foster caregiver had fed an orphan baby to a snake? Yeah, I'm thinking so. Yes, you indeed have no point.

As for valuing dogs more than human children, you're damn right I do. I have a dog, and I don't have a child. You take care of yours, I'll take care of mine. The only difference being that you take money out of my pocket to take care of yours.
 
2002-09-24 08:31:34 PM  
Ok...everybody who thinks it horrid run right now to your bank and then to the pound and adopt all those "cute" animals you don't want fed to anything else...or shut the hell up, put your money where your mouth is. When it comes to feeding animals...protein is protein...free protein is better.
 
2002-09-24 09:57:54 PM  
My uncle had a dog that had 13 puppies. He lived on a farm and couldn't keep or give them away. He smashed them over the head and buried them except for 2 of them. If my uncle had owned a large snake he probably would of fed them to it. Somebody cry me a river for all of those poor bunnies that have been fed to snakes. Puppies have 4 legs and are furry like bunnies. I don't care what people feed thier snakes as long as its not thier own children.
 
2002-09-24 10:52:00 PM  
BSman
Those children taking your precious tax dollars will be running the country, raising the next generation and taking care of you in your old age. Especially since you have no children of your own, it would seem that those tax dollars are more of a future investment than a swindle on your pocketbook. Quit being such a selfish, short-sighted person. Having youth that are uneducated and not invested in is a death knoll for any society. Just because it isn't something tangible or something you can't put your mits on right away doesn't mean it isn't worthwhile.

Now if you want to make a case for how those tax dollars are actually spent and handled, that is another matter. But investing in the future is a good thing.
 
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