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2007-09-20 03:00:49 PM  
glwtta: ..."literature" involved writing.

I give up - what does it involve now?
 
2007-09-20 03:02:11 PM  
fappomatic: I suppose they'll sue the school system when their precious snowflake pops-out with puppy number two right after graduation.


OR...it could just be that some people are serious about raising their kids.

Having a first year lit teacher pass a racy comic book to their 14 year old daughter and pass it off as a lit assignment is about as transparently pedo as it gets. Seriously, consider it a moment. The "book" isn't in the curricula and it's overwhelmingly likely that it's not the school's...so most likely it's the teacher's.

Bad enough that he lacks the judgement that led him to think bringing it to school was okay...but then he tries to give it to a teenage girl. A guy whose judgement is that piss-poor has no business being in custodial care of anyone's kids.

Mockingly call them "snowflake" if you like but some parents actually do love and care for and watch out for their kids. What, were they supposed to defer to this "teacher" as to what constituted appropriate reading for their child?
 
2007-09-20 03:02:13 PM  
BFletch651: I love sarcastic tag use.

I love meta-sarcasm.
 
2007-09-20 03:03:11 PM  
glwtta: Riiight, "literature"....

Comic books are not farking literature! That's why they are called "comic books" - it's pictures with little speech blurbs (which is fine for what it is), "literature" involved writing.


as someone with a comparative literature degree, i feel save in saying that you are an asshat.
 
2007-09-20 03:03:47 PM  
er, "safe." i didn't get a degree in not making typos, unfortunately.
 
2007-09-20 03:04:36 PM  
evilyoda: I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the Sandman series while arguing that comic books can be literature. Sandman issue 19 won a World Fantasy Award.

/Gaiman FTW!


Seconded. I got the hardbound illustrated copy of Stardust for my birthday. And while we're talking all things Neil, I also own a copy of The Dream Hunters and most of the Sandman graphic novels as well as both the book and comic book versions of Neverwhere. But according to many Farkers here, graphic novels are not good lit. They don't know what they're missing.

/self professed Neil Gaiman fangirl
//hopes to see American Gods interpreted as a graphic novel someday
 
2007-09-20 03:05:52 PM  
That being said, they teach obviously isn't too bright, and should probably be watched, just in case he does something stupid like this again...and if he does, then you fry his arse!
 
2007-09-20 03:07:23 PM  
Poor guy...tries to assign something alternative in an attempt to maintain student interest, ends up losing his job and being labeled a potential pedophile.

That'll teach 'em to do anything remotely different/interesting.
 
2007-09-20 03:07:35 PM  
Pocket Ninja
Well, I'm not one to say that book X or book Y shouldn't be available to students because of content. But schools have approved curricula for a reason,

And among those reasons, none of them justify ruling out quality literature that is not on the list.
 
2007-09-20 03:08:03 PM  
Geotpf: "The Soviet Union was the second world. Unless you are referring to those states as they exist today, in which the term "third world" is kind of obsolete (since there's no longer a second world"

WTF?

After the fall of the Soviet Union, it was determined that much of their economic, education, and military infrastructure were on a scale of a third world country, such as central African country. Or at we define it, a non-industrialized country.
 
2007-09-20 03:08:33 PM  
That being said, the teacher obviously isn't too bright, and should probably be watched, just in case he does something stupid like this again...and if he does, then you fry his arse!

\\and now it's fixed...silly keyboard types wrong.
 
2007-09-20 03:08:59 PM  
BigTenuhhuh: A few years ago, my son's sixth grade teacher had his class watch Schindler's List in classroom. Now, to explain Nazi atrocities, is it necessary to show excerpts of graphic images in concentration camps to 5th and 6th graders? He didn't tell the parents beforehand, nor apparently the principal, but he did have to send a letter of apology and explanation to parents.

Public education in this country...we are heading to a third world status just like the old Soviet empire.


I went on a school trip to a concentration camp in Germany when I was in 7th grade. Then we went to a theater and watched Schindler's List. Just sayin', I don't think that's as bad as you think it is. Now you know that I know what you know and you know what I know and I think what you think is not what I think about thinking about.
/tada
 
2007-09-20 03:09:01 PM  
crispycowboy: Comic book = "work of literature"?
subby -1


Right. And I suppose garbage from Danielle Steel and John Grisham is 'literature.' They're not all about superman, you know.
 
2007-09-20 03:10:09 PM  
My kids (both boys) are grown and out of school, so I really don't have a dog in this fight.

But I do have an opinion.

Both sides are strong with the STUPID!

First, the teacher was STUPID for assigning ANYTHING that could possibly be construed as inappropriate in our hypersensitive, puritanical, lawsuit-obsessed country.

Second, the parents were STUPID for trying to make a Federal case out of it, bring shame and criminal charges on the teacher, but in the process turned his precious future brat mill into a pariah.

Big Daddy Righteous Indignation was probably hoping he'd get a nice fat settlement from the school, but the teacher headed him off at the pass by resigning.

("Head them off at the pass??? I HATE that cliche!")

Haw haw haw, you dick! He obviously forgot how cruel and vindictive kids can be, and now said future strumpet is paying the price for his actions.

Don't you just love it when someone's brilliant plan backfires?

(Sheesh! I need to lay off the afternoon cup of coffee and stop listening to Cannibal Corpse at work!)
 
2007-09-20 03:10:37 PM  
grizzlyjohnson: nephlim:

Yeah, books with sex are bad for 9th graders. They should watch some wholesome MTV or prime-time network TV drama. No sex or violence there.

If there's an adult male sitting my 14 year old daughter down and making her watch rap videos and then asking her how they make her feel, I will have a similar problem with it.


You missed the point.

this media= bad, seedy, inappropriate for 9th graders.

this media here= righteous, quality TV entertainment, good for the economy.
 
2007-09-20 03:11:29 PM  
Edipis: as someone with a comparative literature degree, i feel save in saying that you are an asshat.

How's that job at Starbucks workin' out for ya?

/I keed!
//Do I?
///Slashies
 
2007-09-20 03:11:36 PM  
glwtta: Riiight, "literature"....

Comic books are not farking literature! That's why they are called "comic books" - it's pictures with little speech blurbs (which is fine for what it is), "literature" involved writing.


I dare you to read something like "Maus" and then read a Danielle Steele novel, and tell me which you think is "literature" in the sense of what is worthwhile reading. The word is actually a fairly generic term, and can encompass any number of printed or published works. For example, "election literature" might consist of a brochure. If you are using it to mean worthwhile reading material, then comics should not be excluded merely because they are illustrated. It sounds like your experience with illustrated works has been fairly limited. There are also thousands of trashy novels out there for every "Moby Dick" or "Catcher in the Rye."
 
2007-09-20 03:12:03 PM  
I managed to sneak in a brief discussion of Preacher in my junior English class. Watching the reactions of uptight southern baptists to my description of the plot (ex-preacher is possessed with god-like powers resulting from angel/demon fornication, decides to track down God and hold him accountable for how farked up everything is. With his Irish vampire friend of course...) was really, really funny.
 
2007-09-20 03:14:51 PM  
His wife said she became especially concerned when her daughter told her Fisher asked her "how the book made her feel," although the mother added that she has no idea "what his intention was."

I know where these parents are coming from. The same thing happens to me all the time.

I realize I'm missing information so I do the only logical step: I jump to conclusions and attempt to ruin someone's life.

/doesn't get invited to many parties
//can't figure out why.
 
2007-09-20 03:15:39 PM  
In today's teaching environment (which any teacher should be highly concious of) he would have to be unbelievably stupid to give a 14 year old female student anything that wasn't school approved. FAIL!

/if kids want pron they can find it themselves in their own free time.
//get off of my lawn
 
2007-09-20 03:17:37 PM  
emstro

Huh, I'm kind of surprised. You were in the originating thread but missed where it came from. It was one of the soldier's reviews for a particular flavor MRE - whatever it was his response was simply "Anger is the result." It's actually one of my favorite memes here.
 
2007-09-20 03:18:08 PM  
OK, so I was hasty in my judgment of comics/graphic novels/etc. as literature, but for more hair-splitting, I was thinking more along the lines of the great "works" as being something a 9th grade teacher would suggest to a student. I tend to agree with this opinion:

wylkyn: Maybe I'm cynical, but this seems like a horny dude casting out a little Lolita bait, seeing if he'll get a nibble. Comics are great, and can be used in education. But to act as if this guy thought this was appropriate seems a little naive.
 
2007-09-20 03:20:20 PM  
grizzlyjohnson: I know that's a common predator trick. Figure out a way to get close to your victims, give them something sexual to read or look at and ask them how it makes them feel.

That works when seducing grown women, too. (At least it did when I was the man-whore about town)

But without the stigma. Unless you're among Baptists, that is. Those Baptists love to lay down the stigma. They must think it gives Jeebus a big fat chubby.
 
2007-09-20 03:20:28 PM  
The "eightball" series has a wikipedia entry for those that prefer facts to the insane rants of irritating helicopter parents.

Link (new window)


It includes references to rape, various sex acts and murder, as well as images of a naked woman, and a peeping tom watching a woman in the shower.


What, was it an illustrated Bible?


Seriously... The bible has much worse references; rape, incest, elderly sex, sheep, pedophilia, murder, genocide....
 
2007-09-20 03:21:34 PM  
crispycowboy

So your time in the corner was well spent. Now that you've thought about what you've done, you should commend yourself, and go and pick up Lone Wolf and Cub volume 1. And be amazed.

AMAZED i tell you.
 
2007-09-20 03:22:22 PM  
gimodu: irishdncr83
This teacher must've been high when he gave the student this book. He had a lapse in judgment that may now affect his entire career. That sucks, because it seems like that was why he was very popular at the school.


FTFY
 
2007-09-20 03:27:46 PM  
This whole thing brings to mind something else.

Ya know, I'd really make a lousy "predator", cuz I can't farking stand teenagers. They're rude, they stink, they think they know everything when they don't know jack shiat, and they're almost as bad behind the wheel as Blind Melon Grandpa.

Your precious little stinking hell-beasts are safe from me, Citizen. Just as long as they stay the hell away from me and my stuff.
 
2007-09-20 03:32:33 PM  
Puritanism is alive and well in America. I'll just bet dad spanked the bishop to that book a few times before he declared it porographic.

Holden Caulfield unavailable for comment......
 
2007-09-20 03:32:46 PM  
CapitolG: Anybody up in arms about this ever read the bible? now thats notjust bordernline porno, thats the hard core stuff, and the violence?

Is the Graphic Novel bad because it has pictures of the stuff?

/bible had a dude willing to let a crowd rape his daugters.
//now thats porno


Nice troll...of course it never takes much to get the anti-Christian bigotry in full effect on fark.
 
2007-09-20 03:34:26 PM  
Hooray for pedophile hysteria.

/Eat a bowl of dicks, grizzlyjohnson
//Your daughter has read plenty of smut by now, if you're lucky. If you're not lucky, she's giving head in the school bathroom on a regular basis.
///From Homer to the present, sex has been an integral part of literature. Have you considered that maybe, as an english teacher, he was just trying to do his job in a way to keep the kids entertained?
////He's not paranoid enough, so he should be fired. Do you *realize* how asinine you sound?
 
2007-09-20 03:35:08 PM  
moothemagiccow
crispycowboy: Comic book = "work of literature"?
subby -1

Right. And I suppose garbage from Danielle Steel and John Grisham is 'literature.' They're not all about superman, you know.


And sometimes even the ones about superman are pretty good. Kingdom Come, FTW, although I don't suppose I'd call it "literature."

/Actually, it's a little like Watchmen-lite, but it's still the best I've read with conventional characters. I've heard the Marvel series by the same guy with similar themes is better, but I haven't picked it up yet.
 
2007-09-20 03:36:24 PM  
This comic is actually fabulous. The sexuality is by far a minor aspect of the story. Read a real review of this comic by an actual professor from a major university:

http://bostonreview.net/BR31.1/parille.html
 
2007-09-20 03:38:58 PM  
This kind of thing could lead to dancing.
 
2007-09-20 03:41:42 PM  
ssssmashing: Nice troll...of course it never takes much to get the anti-Christian bigotry in full effect on fark.

Well, maybe there wouldn't be so much anti-Christian bigotry around if Christians would stop trying to convince everyone else that there is a giant invisible man in the sky who demands absolute obedience on pain of eternal agonizing torture and suffering, but that he loves you at the same time.

(LOGICAL DISCONNECT -- COGNITIVE DISSONANCE -- MALFUNCTION -- MALFUNCTION)

OK, I may have been a little harsh. Let me try another tack:

ALL RELIGIONS ARE FULL OF SHIAT!
 
2007-09-20 03:46:27 PM  
irishdncr83: I just want to say that all of Japan's society reads graphic novels.

Yeah, but most of them are heathens.
 
2007-09-20 03:50:43 PM  
Yes, giving books to kids is a bad, bad thing.

Besides, they're all entitled to have YOU read it for them.

/and if you read that without sarcasm, do not pass go, do not collect $200
 
2007-09-20 03:50:47 PM  
Heh, this is interesting:

"I'm extremely upset with the administration for not following through with their word of contacting the parents," the father said. "It looks like we got some teacher fired (over) a Harry Potter novel or Catcher in the Rye."

Link (new window)

So he's okay with Catcher in the Rye...
 
2007-09-20 03:50:51 PM  
glwtta: Comic books are not farking literature! That's why they are called "comic books" -- it's pictures with little speech blurbs (which is fine for what it is), "literature" involved writing.

That's kind of a narrowminded interpretation, init? Do you think the plots in graphic novels aren't "written"? Have you read the Sandman series? Is Gaiman not a writer? How about "Watchman"? Both of those are literarily far superior to Sidney Sheldon.
 
2007-09-20 03:52:21 PM  
er... ignore the link in my last post. It's the same article. I've read several articles on the case today and they're blurring together.
 
2007-09-20 03:56:20 PM  
Wow... what a fascist asshole. It's one thing to restrict what your own children say and see, but to get somebody fired over your own misconceptions, and then go as far as having law enforcement censor the free speech of people who are upset at your approach... that's just sick. I don't know what's worse: the fact that this guy managed to procreate, or the fact that every agency he's approached thus far has bent over backwards to accommodate his very un-American point of view.
 
2007-09-20 03:59:34 PM  
iruber1337: I call shenanigans! When I was in High School if we didn't do the summer reading assignment we were allowed to choose another book similar in length (or read the same one) and do the project on it with points taken off.
Clearly she didn't do the assignment over the summer, but who is to say she didn't choose the book - her overprotective parents (as exemplified in the article) saw it, freaked out and to cover herself she blamed the teacher. Technically the teacher is at fault because he approved it without knowing the material.
I bet it said on the cover "From the writer of the major motion picture, 'Ghost World'" and it was a graphical novel so she figured easy grade. I mean she did have it for two and a half weeks without complaining but after parents found it, she is suddenly mentally distressed.



I am shocked noone has responded to this comment yet. This would be an interesting spin on the situation, although if true the teacher would probably just point out that the book was self picked. Anyway, interesting spin.
 
2007-09-20 04:00:51 PM  
the bible?
 
2007-09-20 04:01:51 PM  
mksmith: That's kind of a narrowminded interpretation, init? Do you think the plots in graphic novels aren't "written"? Have you read the Sandman series? Is Gaiman not a writer? How about "Watchman"? Both of those are literarily far superior to Sidney Sheldon.


Sizzler is far superior to McDonalds, that does not make it fine dining.
 
2007-09-20 04:06:01 PM  
What a way to build a society, force college grads to work at McDonald's if they do anything that anyone else would consider a mistake. That father should be deported for being so stupid. Plus if you want teacher's "mistakes" to be worth anything pay them to be more careful. 30k a year isn't enough for anyone to care about your daughter for you.
 
2007-09-20 04:11:20 PM  
notfarksmart: "I went on a school trip to a concentration camp in Germany when I was in 7th grade. Then we went to a theater and watched Schindler's List. Just sayin', I don't think that's as bad as you think it is. Now you know that I know what you know and you know what I know and I think what you think is not what I think about thinking about."

My God! school field trips to farking Germany. Hell, when I went to school, our field trip was a couple miles away to a farking dairy farm.

I have also been to Dachau, when I was 17 years old, with no prior knowledge of the degree of atrocities. There was not much to see in graphic detail, other than some grainy photos. It was a creepy placy, nonetheless. So it wasn't until I watched movies like QB7 or Trial at Nuremberg which showed the actual film of the emaciated bodies and ovens, that I came to realize the scale of this disaster.
At the same time, kids do need to learn about this history, but I think more at a high school level than at the grade school level.
 
2007-09-20 04:12:20 PM  
Honestly, I'm not familiar with the series. I'll say this though, If it is legal for a minor to purchase the book, then it's rediculous to fire the teacher. If you need to be 18+ to buy it, then he should have known better. If a minor can purchase this book, then everyone involved in the firing should lose thier job, and the teacher should be reinstated.

If a "school policy" was involved in his firing, then people should really start to realize that public schools should not make any modifications to what existing law states is appropriate for a minor to posess. When you let this happen, you open yourself and your children to be attacked by any school official with a different moral compass than your own.
 
2007-09-20 04:13:59 PM  
birdboy2000: Hooray for pedophile hysteria.

/Eat a bowl of dicks, grizzlyjohnson
//Your daughter has read plenty of smut by now, if you're lucky. If you're not lucky, she's giving head in the school bathroom on a regular basis.


My daughter is over 30, married, and not a teacher, so that'd definitely be problematic.

As far as trying to bait me, you got a long way to go, grasshopper. Try saying something germain to the discussion instead. It's called conversation. But hey, I totally understand, they don't get to those hard subjects until at least 7th grade, so maybe next year, Poindexter.

///From Homer to the present, sex has been an integral part of literature. Have you considered that maybe, as an english teacher, he was just trying to do his job in a way to keep the kids entertained?

Don't care. Already gone over that. Very bad judgement.

////He's not paranoid enough, so he should be fired. Do you *realize* how asinine you sound?

It's okay, Bucky, if you can ever find a mate that will put up with your shiat, you'll understand some day when you have kids of your own. Until then, back to the Wii.
 
2007-09-20 04:20:55 PM  
Ryan2065:

He gave her a book that is no more sexual than the Bible. Get over yourself.

Yeah? Quote me a sexual part of the bible.
 
2007-09-20 04:22:07 PM  
glwtta: Riiight, "literature"....

Comic books are not farking literature! That's why they are called "comic books" - it's pictures with little speech blurbs (which is fine for what it is), "literature" involved writing.


So would MAUS not be considered literature?

I thought those speech blurbs contained writing. Most comic books and graphic novels of today are written very well. We're not talking about ARCHIE.
 
2007-09-20 04:25:34 PM  
Is it a prerequisite that you have to be a prevert to be a teacher these days? If you believe the news articles, Caligula's got nothing on these people.
 
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