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(St. Petersburg Times)   When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for a dude to be all like "Don't tase me bro" more people need to be all like "WTF?" and "That's totally not cool"   (sptimes.com) divider line 1217
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2007-09-19 08:16:23 AM
The guy sounded kinda whack if you ask me. In one video as he was being lead out of the the building he screamed out to people to ask about him because he was afraid they were going to make him disappear, that he was going to be killed.

Still, there were like six cops on him. Tasers are supposed to be used as a defensive measure, not a cattle prod. I really don't think anyone can claim the safety of the cops there was in danger from him.

Oh, there's also a report that he barged into the auditorium with four cops following him and cut into the front of the line for questions, so if true he was already out of line before he even started to talk.
 
2007-09-19 08:21:44 AM
weave: Still, there were like six cops on him. Tasers are supposed to be used as a defensive measure, not a cattle prod. I really don't think anyone can claim the safety of the cops there was in danger from him.

The gun is a defensive measure. The taser is used to subdue individuals who are trying to resist arrest.

If a cop has to defend himself, that's not the taser he'll whip out.
 
2007-09-19 08:31:21 AM
By the way, I've got awesome tips for you if you don't want to be tasered by police officers:

*) If you are asked by police officers to leave a building, say "Yes, sir" and leave the building. No tasering for you.

*) If you are asked by an officer to get on the ground and put your hands on your back, say "Yes, sir", get on the ground and put your hands on your back. No tasering for you.

*) If you are being arrested, don't yell "You're not arresting me, I'm walking out of here!" and try to stop the officers from putting handcuffs on you. No tasering for you.

*) If you are angry about the fact you're being asked to leave a building or being arrested, court is the time to fight the charges, fighting the police is just ridiculous. Now THAT'S a tasering.

*) Use farking common sense. If you don't, you'll get a tasering. If you do, everything will go well.

*) Obey the farking law.

*) In the event where you followed all of these things and STILL got a tasering, then sue everyone like R Kelly would have his ways with a busload of girl scouts.

Think of it as the white man's equivalent of this

/If you're ever put in a situation where you have to say "Don't taser me, bro", you're doing it wrong.
//If you ever use the word bro, you should get tasered just on principle
 
2007-09-19 08:36:51 AM
They should make some commercials that explain what "lawful command" means, and, more importantly, what disobeying one will result in (lawfully).

Youtube is full of videos of people that are absolutely convinced that if they can quickly make their case before being fully arrested and confined they'll get an apology and ice cream cone.
 
2007-09-19 08:39:09 AM
Tatsuma: *) If you are asked by police officers to leave a building, say "Yes, sir" and leave the building. No tasering for you.

So now the cops can ask you to go wherever they want, and the punishment for noncompliance is to get tasered... ummm... ok. That doesn't seem weird to you?

And asking John Kerry a question during a Q&A session that he'd rather not answer is now a misdemeanor offense. What a crock.

Your Miranda 2.0 list is actually pretty good, but in this instance it's pretty screwed up that a kid got tasered because he asked John Kerry an awkward question and then refused to leave. Does he not have the right to ask that question without the threat of bodily harm?
 
2007-09-19 08:41:46 AM
Tastes Like Chicken: So now the cops can ask you to go wherever they want, and the punishment for noncompliance is to get tasered... ummm... ok. That doesn't seem weird to you?

And obviously I mean in cases where you aren't being charged with something. If you are being charged, hell yeah they can force you to do things. But I don't see how asking someone to leave and them saying no is cause for assault.
 
2007-09-19 08:43:44 AM
Tastes Like Chicken: Does he not have the right to ask that question without the threat of bodily harm?

He sure does. This is why we have courts.
Cops are not lawyers.
 
2007-09-19 08:58:27 AM
I LOVE a good tasering video.

This asshat's video helped me start a meeting at work yesterday on a really funny note. We all watched, thought he was a total douche, and then erupted in a roar of laughter when he was tazed.

HA HA HA!
 
2007-09-19 09:01:10 AM
Tastes Like Chicken: So now the cops can ask you to go wherever they want, and the punishment for noncompliance is to get tasered... ummm... ok. That doesn't seem weird to you?

Not a damn bit weird.... In any crowd control situation, the police do have the authority to direct where people can and can't go. These are lawful orders....also consider that he had been asked to leave after making a statement about clinton being impeached for a blow-job. Then starts jumping around screaming keep your hands off of me.

Are you aware of the events leading up to this tasering? The dude invited it. Upon being released from jail he said the cops did nothing wrong.
 
2007-09-19 09:01:51 AM
Oh and I forgot.... FTP!!!!
 
2007-09-19 09:05:16 AM
real shaman: Not a damn bit weird.... In any crowd control situation, the police do have the authority to direct where people can and can't go. These are lawful orders....also consider that he had been asked to leave after making a statement about clinton being impeached for a blow-job. Then starts jumping around screaming keep your hands off of me.

Are you aware of the events leading up to this tasering? The dude invited it. Upon being released from jail he said the cops did nothing wrong.


To be fair, no I haven't seen the video or really been following this story. I just read the article and was replying to Tatsuma's comments.

It just doesn't sit easy with me that it's ok to hit someone with the taser just because they refuse to leave. I worked as a bouncer for 6 months. Sometimes people refused to leave. We dragged them out anyway. It wasn't hard. I'm sure these cops could've dragged this guy out without zapping him.
 
2007-09-19 09:05:27 AM
Meh. Dude was a douche, dude got tasered. Nothing to see here, move along.

/lucky for him they HAD tasers... sure beats the alternative!
 
2007-09-19 09:07:37 AM
Tastes Like Chicken: And asking John Kerry a question during a Q&A session that he'd rather not answer is now a misdemeanor offense.

No, rushing the microphone after questions are closed and acting like a nutter in the same room as a US Senator will get you noticed by police.

Not leaving when they ask you to is when legality comes into question.
 
2007-09-19 09:26:49 AM
necessary
 
2007-09-19 10:00:07 AM
After watching the videos of this asshat, I want to Taser him myself.
 
2007-09-19 10:11:11 AM
If he made a scene and did rush the mic after questions were over, then he escalated the situation without need, but the cops could have not made a scene in the building and drug him outside. There was a day before they had tasers.

If he was just posing an impassioned question, then what happened was incredibly troubling.
 
2007-09-19 10:21:39 AM
question_dj: If he made a scene and did rush the mic after questions were over, then he escalated the situation without need, but the cops could have not made a scene in the building and drug him outside. There was a day before they had tasers.

If he was just posing an impassioned question, then what happened was incredibly troubling.


If only there was some way to commit one's sight to memory, and share this memory with others directly, without our own thoughts clouding it, like the great Odin's ravens.
 
2007-09-19 10:30:23 AM
Considering I would have kicked the spoiled little attention whore in the ribs, I'd say the tasering was forgivable.
 
2007-09-19 10:48:59 AM
It just doesn't sit easy with me that it's ok to hit someone with the taser just because they refuse to leave. I worked as a bouncer for 6 months. Sometimes people refused to leave. We dragged them out anyway.

He resisted them dragging him out. It wasn't just refusing to leave, it was the violent resisting that got him the zap.

It wasn't hard. I'm sure these cops could've dragged this guy out without zapping him.

I agree. I am in the biz, too, and have yet to have a situation where two well trained persons could not yoke up and remove any idiot. Then again, I train regularly to do just that. Most cops are not as well trained in restraint or compliance techniques, and are instructed to use the tazer in these situations. Having a gun on your hip actually hinders your ability to go H2H with a person. You have to keep distance.
 
2007-09-19 11:11:28 AM
Lucky it wasn't a cock-tase, bro.
 
2007-09-19 11:13:43 AM
Tatsuma: way, I've got awesome tips for you if you don't want to be tasered by police officers:

The core of your advice is "obey". Thank God not everybody feels the way you do.

/Martin Luther King would have been tasered a few thousand times if they were available then
 
2007-09-19 11:14:09 AM
I have yet to see anybody explain why this guy couldn't have been handcuffed and removed from the room, which is what sane people consider the appropriate course of action in such a situation.

Tasers are a non-lethal measure used to subdue individuals rather than shooting them.

Tasers are not a way to be a lazy bum just because you don't feel like doing your job properly when it requires a little bit of effort.

People that think tasering in every situation is okay are insane.
 
2007-09-19 11:14:13 AM
I'm extremely pleased that the police took aggressive action to protect the free speech rights of the other people in the room from this obnoxious loudmouth who thinks that the standards of civilized society ought to be suspended for his convenience.
 
2007-09-19 11:15:28 AM
The left at its best. Go out your way to be a douchebag and provoke a response, then get self-righteous and create a media circus about the response that you provoked. Stay classy, libs.
 
2007-09-19 11:15:39 AM
The cops were dicks.

This guy is a dick.

Choosing one problem over the other shows which side of the political fence you are on.

They both suck.

---

Sorry, I'm just tired of bias masquerading as "fairness."
 
2007-09-19 11:15:44 AM
Haydash: I LOVE a good tasering video.

This asshat's video helped me start a meeting at work yesterday on a really funny note. We all watched, thought he was a total douche, and then erupted in a roar of laughter when he was tazed.

HA HA HA!


This.
I mentioned in an earlier thread, that there is just something about a tasering that just cracks me up!
 
2007-09-19 11:16:17 AM
Awww, I feel so sorry for him...

I went to college in the 70's. FTP was big back then. However, even the dumbest rednecks knew that trying to fight the cops was past stupid.

If he'd pulled his cute little trick 30 years ago, his head would have looked like cauliflower after the nightsticks, Maglights, and batons were put up. What a dumbass.
 
2007-09-19 11:16:26 AM
Tatsuma: By the way, I've got awesome tips for you if you don't want to be tasered by police officers:

*) Obey the farking law.


Oh yes, I just found the statute that says "Thou shalt not ask John Kerry questions he doesn't want to answer".
 
2007-09-19 11:16:37 AM
Tatsuma: The gun is a defensive measure. The taser is used to subdue individuals who are trying to resist arrest.

That's not the official policy of police departments.

In Houston, when they were selling the idea of tasers to the public, the policy laid out was that tasers were only going to be used in situations where the officer previously would have fired their weapon.

They were touted as a way to reduce shootings.

That's still the official policy.

However, police shootings have remained constant, and they taser anyone and everyone.
 
2007-09-19 11:16:48 AM
Manfred J. Hattan: I'm extremely pleased that the police took aggressive action to protect the free speech rights of the other people in the room from this obnoxious loudmouth who thinks that the standards of civilized society ought to be suspended for his convenience.

Very well put.
 
2007-09-19 11:16:58 AM
Silly me. I thought Universities were the proper venue for civil discourse, not civil disobedience.

/taserin is too good fer'im.
//amputation bro.
///starting at the neck.
 
2007-09-19 11:17:14 AM
weave: Still, there were like six cops on him. Tasers are supposed to be used as a defensive measure, not a cattle prod. I really don't think anyone can claim the safety of the cops there was in danger from him.

see, you don't realize that he was actually master assassin jet li after another round of "facial reconstruction"

/sorry, i just saw the movie "war"
//its amazing what "facial reconstruction" can do to a man
 
2007-09-19 11:18:03 AM
Tastes Like Chicken: Tatsuma: *) If you are asked by police officers to leave a building, say "Yes, sir" and leave the building. No tasering for you.

So now the cops can ask you to go wherever they want, and the punishment for noncompliance is to get tasered... ummm... ok. That doesn't seem weird to you?

And asking John Kerry a question during a Q&A session that he'd rather not answer is now a misdemeanor offense. What a crock.

Your Miranda 2.0 list is actually pretty good, but in this instance it's pretty screwed up that a kid got tasered because he asked John Kerry an awkward question and then refused to leave. Does he not have the right to ask that question without the threat of bodily harm?


Are you sure we watched the same video? Because it looked to me like the guy wouldn't shut up after being asked to wrap up his question(s), and was disrupting the order of the Q&A session. He deserved to be asked to leave.

How could John Kerry answer any of his questions when he wouldn't STFU?
 
2007-09-19 11:18:12 AM
A) The dude provoked an initial and continued forceful response from the police; and,

B) The taser was excessive.
 
2007-09-19 11:18:16 AM
weave

Still, there were like six cops on him. Tasers are supposed to be used as a defensive measure, not a cattle prod. I really don't think anyone can claim the safety of the cops there was in danger from him.

And they already had him pinned to the ground. The taser was simply to make him STFU already.

While in this case I don't disagree those ends, that so many are willing to support the means again reveals a tacit level of support for police state tactics that I find deeply disturbing.
 
2007-09-19 11:18:26 AM
The guy got what he deserved and what he wanted.

Morning Tatsuma.
 
2007-09-19 11:18:30 AM
This guy was acting the fool with the clear purpose of making a spectacle of himself. He's not a martyr in the fight against "Jackbooted American Republi-Fascism", he's not "Exercising Freedom Of Speech", nor is he a "Guerilla Performance Artist", he's a supreme attention-whoring douchebag who is lucky to have only been tased.

I hear there is a possibility of him being charged with felony resisting arrest with violence. I could just hear him in PMITA prison now...

"Don't make me toss your salad, bro!! What have I done to make you make me toss your salad! HELP! HELP! MMMMMF!!!".

/Obey lawful orders, and you won't get tased.
 
2007-09-19 11:18:36 AM
The dickwad deserved to be dragged out of the room when he refused to go on his own, but the taser wasn't required IMO.

Tasers are potentially lethal weapons. I'd like to think that a fair number of officers would think twice about zapping someone if they had it happen to them to experience it first.
 
2007-09-19 11:18:45 AM
"I couldn't believe the injustice that was happening to him," Jessup said.

Can someone please tazer this chick?
 
2007-09-19 11:18:48 AM
9/11 truther?

Well, they already are in desperate need of electro-shock. Maybe the tazer actually helped.
 
2007-09-19 11:18:57 AM
FYI folks, being tasered is not some form of punishment. It's purely a tool officers use, to get people to comply. If he had actually complied, and was still tasered, that would be a different story.

As for claiming that the cops could have dragged him out without tasering him, yes they could have. Often though, that leads to injury to both the cops and the person their dragging out. Tasers hurt for a few seconds, but that's it.
 
2007-09-19 11:19:06 AM
DO NOT speak unapproved words, Citizen, or you will be dragged to the back of the room, held down, and tasered until you comply.

When a cop orders you to do something, you MUST COMPLY IMMEDIATELY or be subject to instant electrocution, for your own safety.

This is America. All Citizens are REQUIRED TO OBEY their government at all times. Resistance will not be tolerated, and will be met with extreme force.

existens.org
 
2007-09-19 11:19:13 AM
The guy is an attention whore. I wish I would have been there so I could've asked the cops to let me tase him some more for being an asshat and wasting everyone's time with his "everybody look at me" antics.
 
2007-09-19 11:19:14 AM
Now, as an aside, what did we think was going to happen when we give police the authority and ability to taser anyone pretty much anytime they wish?

Don't you wish you could taser the shiat out of everyone who acts like an asshole?

Well, they've been given the power to do just that. Why are we surprised when they use that power?
 
2007-09-19 11:19:37 AM
http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=104&sid=1251444

Meyer, a senior telecommunications major from the Fort Lauderdale suburb of Weston, has a Web site featuring several homemade videos. In one, he stands in a street with a sign that says "Harry Dies" after the latest Harry Potter book was released.

[...]

Another site had pictures of Meyer licking a woman's face and making a suggestive pose as he stood behind a fake cow. The site listed his activities as "getting wasted" and "being ridiculous."


Attention whore? Check.
 
2007-09-19 11:20:07 AM
Quick, someone post the pic of one of the cops arresting him while laughing in his face while he was getting jolted!

/did that make sense?
 
2007-09-19 11:20:19 AM
Shame on the pansy-university for not backing up their peeps. An attnetion whore whines, that's a suspension. Sick, just sick.


/They should have shot the douche.
 
2007-09-19 11:20:22 AM
jbuist: Tastes Like Chicken: And asking John Kerry a question during a Q&A session that he'd rather not answer is now a misdemeanor offense.

No, rushing the microphone after questions are closed and acting like a nutter in the same room as a US Senator will get you noticed by police.


Oh no, he rushed the microphone. Watch out, he might have a pen and paper too.

Not leaving when they ask you to is when legality comes into question.

Great, so the FU police have now set a new precedent for George Bush to use.
 
2007-09-19 11:21:01 AM
Anybody got a link to that woman pulled from the SUV and tasered that hollars like a banshee.?

That always cracks me up.
 
2007-09-19 11:21:09 AM
Attention whoring at its finest. He was acting like a complete fool and deserved to get tazed. They actually SHOULD have made him disappear. What a tool.

Mom and Dad probably paid him too much attention as a child.
 
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