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(St. Petersburg Times)   When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for a dude to be all like "Don't tase me bro" more people need to be all like "WTF?" and "That's totally not cool"   (sptimes.com) divider line 1217
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2007-09-19 11:30:18 AM
Manfred J. Hattan: We in the civilized world are tired of your shiat and we're just not going to put up with it any more. Be grateful that technology has allowed the taser, as in its absence the substitute would be an old-fashioned police beatdown.

So, it's "obey the rules" above all, or you deserve a beatdown? You're making my point for me quite nicely. It's amazing how the closet fascists defend their fealty to THE RULES with "civility" and in the same breath call for such uncivilized behavior.
 
2007-09-19 11:30:26 AM
Pincy: pukingtrader: I learned very early there are only a few things that should ever be said to a cop, especially in an adversarial situation.

"Yes Sir"
"No Sir"
"Thank you Sir"
"Sir, I do not understand"

Venturing beyond these 4 statements is fraught with danger.

You forgot "Sieg Heil"


Nah, that'd agitate the cops. They'd think you were being a wise-ass. "Javol" works as well.
 
2007-09-19 11:30:37 AM
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2007-09-19 11:30:43 AM
Tastes Like Chicken: real shaman: Not a damn bit weird.... In any crowd control situation, the police do have the authority to direct where people can and can't go. These are lawful orders....also consider that he had been asked to leave after making a statement about clinton being impeached for a blow-job. Then starts jumping around screaming keep your hands off of me.

Are you aware of the events leading up to this tasering? The dude invited it. Upon being released from jail he said the cops did nothing wrong.

To be fair, no I haven't seen the video or really been following this story. I just read the article and was replying to Tatsuma's comments.

It just doesn't sit easy with me that it's ok to hit someone with the taser just because they refuse to leave. I worked as a bouncer for 6 months. Sometimes people refused to leave. We dragged them out anyway. It wasn't hard. I'm sure these cops could've dragged this guy out without zapping him.


That is my whole point - it is a moot point whether or not the guy was a douche -

Could 6 police not remove 1 person without tasering them in front of the whole assembly?

/dont get me started with cops not to be filmed - fark them
//Bill Of Rights biatches - read it
 
2007-09-19 11:30:44 AM
LizKing531,

Comparing this to Kent State?

Kind of a stretch, isn't it? Perhaps the families of the dead students would like to hear your rationale.
 
2007-09-19 11:30:59 AM
Pincy: pukingtrader: I learned very early there are only a few things that should ever be said to a cop, especially in an adversarial situation.

"Yes Sir"
"No Sir"
"Thank you Sir"
"Sir, I do not understand"

Venturing beyond these 4 statements is fraught with danger.

You forgot "Sieg Heil"



Since when did being a decent, respectful citizen, and obeying the law become facist? We're taken this 'fight the power' movement a bit too far. Society without rules is doomed to fail...or turn into Iraq...one of the two.

/RIMS
 
2007-09-19 11:31:22 AM
Andrew is a fark1ng pu$sy. He was only there to be an attention whore, and deserved being tasered. He wanted this, as he want on a shouting rant, instead of asking questions. It was a setup on Andrews part, and he got what he deserved. His parents never taught him civility.


Oh yes, I just found the statute that says "Thou shalt not ask John Kerry questions he doesn't want to answer".


Andrew was being disruptive. He wasn't asking questions, he went on a pre-pared shouting rant to cause a disturbance.

Manfred J. Hattan: I'm extremely pleased that the police took aggressive action to protect the free speech rights of the other people in the room from this obnoxious loudmouth who thinks that the standards of civilized society ought to be suspended for his convenience.

/golf clap


Some cops do a lot of crappy stuff, but I think they did the right thing here...

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2007-09-19 11:31:24 AM
So I'm walking down the street, and pass a cop who is walking his beat.

He say, "Go home, or I will arrest you!"

I'm like.. "wtf yo, I didn't do anything!"

...he pulls out his taser, and warns me again.. "Go home, or I will taser you, then arrest you!" then he grabs my arm.

"Fark you, for what!!" I asked, as I pull away.

***ZAP!***

I smell, a payout for this kid.
 
2007-09-19 11:31:28 AM
Person: Does it make me a bad person that I think the tasering was fully justified because of his use of the word "Bro"?

Hint: The answer is "No, of course not."


If he said "brah" then you are completely justified. "Bro" is a grey area.
 
2007-09-19 11:31:31 AM
Tatsuma: By the way, I've got awesome tips for you if you don't want to be tasered by police officers:

*) If you are asked by police officers to leave a building, say "Yes, sir" and leave the building. No tasering for you.

*) If you are asked by an officer to get on the ground and put your hands on your back, say "Yes, sir", get on the ground and put your hands on your back. No tasering for you.

*) If you are being arrested, don't yell "You're not arresting me, I'm walking out of here!" and try to stop the officers from putting handcuffs on you. No tasering for you.

*) If you are angry about the fact you're being asked to leave a building or being arrested, court is the time to fight the charges, fighting the police is just ridiculous. Now THAT'S a tasering.

*) Use farking common sense. If you don't, you'll get a tasering. If you do, everything will go well.

*) Obey the farking law.

*) In the event where you followed all of these things and STILL got a tasering, then sue everyone like R Kelly would have his ways with a busload of girl scouts.

Think of it as the white man's equivalent of this

/If you're ever put in a situation where you have to say "Don't taser me, bro", you're doing it wrong.
//If you ever use the word bro, you should get tasered just on principle


THIS!

/All I could think of on the drive to work this morning was that this asshat got what wanted, and a little less than he deserved.
//Use of the word "bro" should be fatal.
 
2007-09-19 11:31:56 AM
The problem is the cops were so worried about looking excessive they used the taser, which made them look excessive.

Anything they would have done would have looked excessive. The idiot wasn't complying and was swinging his arms around.

They could have put their knee on his face and wrestled him into cuffs, but that would look like abuse

They could have kneed him a few times in the ribs to get him to stop fighting, but that would have looked excessive.

They gave him a 1 second zap in the shoulder, and it worked, but it looked excessive.

If the person is resisting arrest, it will always look like he's being abused by the cops.
 
2007-09-19 11:32:12 AM
Pythagoras: Does it strike anyone as odd that NO ONE at the rally did anything and instead of opted to protest?

This just underlines that college students are all talk and no action.


They took camera phone video. That is the 2007 version of "doing something."
 
2007-09-19 11:32:12 AM
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Comforting to know it's just a couple years down the road from game to reality.
 
2007-09-19 11:32:28 AM
Aexia It is if you're disrupting someone else's event in the process

And the threat to public safety that necessitated the use of deadly force was where, exactly?
 
2007-09-19 11:32:33 AM
LizKing531: Could 6 police not remove 1 person without tasering them in front of the whole assembly?

They could, but we've given them the authority to tase people as they see fit.

If you had the authority to tase everyone who was an asshole to you, wouldn't you?
 
2007-09-19 11:32:58 AM
Why can't people understand that he was not tasered for asking a question. I'm so sick of hearing people completely negate the fact that he was first NOT arrested by police, but calmly being escorted out of the building, and second was swinging his arms around and trying to break an officer's grip by physical force.

Tatsuma, great post.

/future officer
//sick of people "fighting the man/power" when it needs not be fought against
 
2007-09-19 11:32:59 AM
Taser him one more time for making me read that crap.
 
2007-09-19 11:33:01 AM
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2007-09-19 11:33:02 AM
Pincy: Tatsuma: By the way, I've got awesome tips for you if you don't want to be tasered by police officers:

*) Obey the farking law.

Oh yes, I just found the statute that says "Thou shalt not ask John Kerry questions he doesn't want to answer".


Tastes Like Chicken: And asking John Kerry a question during a Q&A session that he'd rather not answer is now a misdemeanor offense. What a crock.

The article I read yesterday stated that Kerry was willing to respond to these questions, and said as much at the event. I do not believe the student was removed at Kerry's request.
 
2007-09-19 11:33:04 AM
question_dj: If he made a scene and did rush the mic after questions were over, then he escalated the situation without need, but the cops could have not made a scene in the building and drug him outside. There was a day before they had tasers.

If he was just posing an impassioned question, then what happened was incredibly troubling.


That day included night sticks, billy clubs, and fists. Don't kid yourself, this kid would have had a fractured face if they hadn't had a taser. Don't mess with the cops when they are running crowd control for political speakers, they do NOT mess around.
 
2007-09-19 11:33:40 AM
Pincy

Ah, but neither is the University auditorium an open public forum. The organizers reserved the space for an event, and Andrew was disrupting the event.
 
2007-09-19 11:33:47 AM
Six police officers do not need to taser one unruly and unarmed dickwad. They used it simply because they had it and could use it. This is not how tasers are meant to be used. This was a bad call by the arresting officers. There were six of them, haul him outside and arrest him there. SIX OF THEM!
 
2007-09-19 11:33:57 AM
LizKing531:
Could 6 police not remove 1 person without tasering them in front of the whole assembly?

/dont get me started with cops not to be filmed - fark them
//Bill Of Rights biatches - read it



Have you ever tried to subdue someone who didn't want to cooperate, without hurting that person?
 
2007-09-19 11:34:09 AM
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2007-09-19 11:34:10 AM
Am I the only one that read as "Don't taste me bro"?
 
2007-09-19 11:34:16 AM
FlippityFlap: -In short, " Obey your masters!".

Fess up: who heard this in James Hetfield's voice?
 
2007-09-19 11:34:25 AM
First of all it was a stun gun, not a taser.

Secondly if you look closely he clearly wasn't handcuffed yet. He had his hand on the back of a chair.

It actually does less harm to stun someone into compliance then to try to yank someone's arm behind their back when they are fighting you.

Besides he's also a big attention seeking cry baby. Stun guns don't hurt all that much. I know from experience. I wasn't even hospitalized
 
2007-09-19 11:34:26 AM
Aexia: It is if you're disrupting someone else's event in the process.

Hmm.. I saw him being a total douchebag, but I didn't see him "disrupting" anything. It's not like he lobbed a molotov cocktail into the crowd. He spoke his (admittedly retarded) speech, and the police immediately went into drag-and-beat mode.
 
2007-09-19 11:34:30 AM
the guy was RESISTING ARREST and yelling "GET THE F OFF ME" to the cops. if you are ever in a situation where the cops are trying to escort you out and you do this, you will also be tasered.

the funniest thing is a liberal at a liberal speaker's event sponsored by a liberal student organization has all this going on.

good times.
 
2007-09-19 11:34:31 AM
stiletto_the_wise: Just so you guys know, it's not yet illegal to be an attention whore, and it probably shouldn't subject you to on-the-spot electrocution.

From everything I've read, this kid got exactly what he wanted. He probably got better than he expected, even. Tasering was excessive, but I've got no pity for him - he set out to make a scene, and now he's a mini-celebrity. He didn't prove anything about Kerry/cops/censorship, except "be a disruptive, cop-resisting douchebag and suffer the consequences".
 
2007-09-19 11:34:37 AM
Karma Curmudgeon,

What deadly force was used? Please explain.
 
2007-09-19 11:34:41 AM
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

/since a lot of posters here seem to have forgotten.
 
2007-09-19 11:34:46 AM
don't step out of line and the man won't beat you! fool!
 
2007-09-19 11:34:50 AM
Tatsuma
Get a white friend
 
2007-09-19 11:34:59 AM
eKonk: The dickwad deserved to be dragged out of the room when he refused to go on his own, but the taser wasn't required IMO.

Tasers are potentially lethal weapons. I'd like to think that a fair number of officers would think twice about zapping someone if they had it happen to them to experience it first.


I was talking about this yesterday -

Would he have gotten tazed if the tazer was not shaped like a gun?
 
2007-09-19 11:35:09 AM
little college douchebag thinks the 1st ammendment gives him the right to take over a public forum and endlessly spout nonsense for as long as he wants.

guess he was wrong.
 
2007-09-19 11:35:21 AM
So Tatsuma
not to get too personal but what happens when the Israeli police come to take protesters off their squatted land?

They get beaten and tazed and worse, right? Because they were breaking the law. You have no problem with that, right?

/not being a dick, just saying.
 
2007-09-19 11:35:23 AM
Tasing is trendy.
 
2007-09-19 11:35:40 AM
Tatsuma: By the way, I've got awesome tips for you if you don't want to be tasered by police officers...

*) Obey...


Summarized that for ya.
 
2007-09-19 11:35:55 AM
Andric: LizKing531:
Could 6 police not remove 1 person without tasering them in front of the whole assembly?

/dont get me started with cops not to be filmed - fark them
//Bill Of Rights biatches - read it


Have you ever tried to subdue someone who didn't want to cooperate, without hurting that person?


So 6 cops are total pussies and couldn't just pick him up a drag his dumb ass out?
 
2007-09-19 11:35:56 AM
He was flailing around on the floor. He could have easily kicked an officer, or knocked someone off their feet. He would not put his arms back for the cuffs.

Their options were:

1. Force his arms back, possibly breaking an arm or dislocating his shoulder.
2. Mace him. In a room like that it would have effected everyone.
3. Hit him with a baton. Bruises likely, broken bones possible.
4. Tazer him. Painful, but not harmful. Most likely on the lowest setting.

Which would you prefer?

They gave him plenty of warning. All he had to do was go limp. He still would have gotten his point across.
 
2007-09-19 11:35:58 AM
andric

Hmmm... I thought I had cut and pasted someone else's name, and now I can't find the comment to which I was responding. My apologies.
 
2007-09-19 11:36:00 AM
FourSKY: Andrew is a fark1ng pu$sy. He was only there to be an attention whore, and deserved being tasered.

I think you're disrupting this forum with an unpopular opinion.

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That's a tasering.
 
2007-09-19 11:36:06 AM
peaceably to assemble

I remember that now!
 
2007-09-19 11:36:07 AM
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2007-09-19 11:36:07 AM
Pythagoras: Does it strike anyone as odd that NO ONE at the rally did anything and instead of opted to protest?

This just underlines that college students are all talk and no action.


Nonviolent protest is action.
 
2007-09-19 11:36:18 AM
kc987654: They took camera phone video. That is the 2007 version of "doing something."

Yeah...let's video tape stuff and get people mad...but not actually do a thing to stop it.
 
2007-09-19 11:37:02 AM
Guy is a moron, thinking that the cops were going to "hand him over to the government and kill him".

That said, it's incredibly asinine that they arrested him for trying to incite a riot.
 
2007-09-19 11:37:21 AM
Claybotron: /future officer
//sick of people "fighting the man/power" when it needs not be fought against


If you're a future officer, you need to look closely at the tape. They obviously farked up and mishandled the situation. You call that successful crowd control?!!
 
2007-09-19 11:37:32 AM
djmed: the guy was RESISTING ARREST and yelling "GET THE F OFF ME" to the cops.

You, on the other hand, would lay down for any jackbooted thug. And if you'll lucky, they'll slip in a pinky while they shove your face into the pavement.

the funniest thing is a liberal at a liberal speaker's event sponsored by a liberal student organization has all this going on.

John Kerry is not a liberal. He's a douche. There is a difference.
 
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