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(The Sun)   I see your Led Zeppelin and raise you a Sex Pistols reunion for one gig to celebrate the 30th anniversary of "Never Mind the Bollocks"   (thesun.co.uk) divider line 81
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2007-09-18 04:25:09 AM
It was funnier when they first put it up (new window)
 
2007-09-18 04:42:13 AM
One large difference: Led Zeppelin were good.
 
2007-09-18 04:49:19 AM
God shave the Queen
 
2007-09-18 06:53:10 AM
Cool, I can't wait to see Sid Vicious.
 
2007-09-18 07:11:25 AM
Oh, great. Middle-aged farts singing punk rock. This has got suck written all over it.
 
2007-09-18 07:30:45 AM
Glasgowsfinest: One large difference: Led Zeppelin were good.

This.

You know the stereotype about how punk bands play punk rock because they suck at their instruments?

In the Sex Pistols' case, the stereotype is true.
 
2007-09-18 07:39:38 AM
sex pistols were a malcom mclaren fashion project

their attemtpts at music were horrible
as would any be subsequent attempts

they are the opposite of led zeppelin
 
2007-09-18 08:38:49 AM
Don't tell me Steve Jones can't play the guitar, I'd hate to think it was Duff McKagen or a session guitarist playing on the Neurotic Outsiders CD I have. That would really ruin my Tuesday morning.
 
2007-09-18 08:50:35 AM
mrEdude: sex pistols were a malcom mclaren fashion project

No they were not. You're completely wrong. They were a band before they met Malcolm. You've bought Malcolm's line of bullshiat!

mrEdude: their attemtpts at music were horrible

They were actually quite a decent band, listen to the live recordings. They were not at all like the Slits of The Banshees, who actually could not play.

Ed Grubermann: Oh, great. Middle-aged farts singing punk rock. This has got suck written all over it.

All rock reunions have an element of suckage. They are for fans. But if your comment is that these guys can't legitimately play punk rock, when they in fact helped define the entire genre, then your comment is pretty stupid.

HeadbangerSmurf: Don't tell me Steve Jones can't play the guitar

I agree with you Headbanger. Steve is a great rhythm guitarist, stylistically much like Pete Townsend. There are many recordings of Jimmy Page where his playing is MUCH sloppier than anything Steve ever put on vinyl.

FlyingPig: You know the stereotype about how punk bands play punk rock because they suck at their instruments?

No, it isn't (because I do not count Sid as a real Pistol). Please point out specific examples of the Pistols playing incompetently, live or studio. I don't think you will be able to.

Hope I've cleared all this up.
 
2007-09-18 08:54:05 AM
HeadbangerSmurf: Don't tell me Steve Jones can't play the guitar, I'd hate to think it was Duff McKagen or a session guitarist playing on the Neurotic Outsiders CD I have. That would really ruin my Tuesday morning.

Steve Jones could definitely play the guitar. Glen Matlock was the original bassist, and was fairly capable, IMO. Sid Vicious, on the other hand, was a disaster. He was so bad that at many gigs, his bass wasn't even plugged in. Some of that was probably due to him being bombed out of his gourd.
 
2007-09-18 09:01:55 AM
I saw this the first time, when they toured with Gravity Kills in '96.

They were ok.
 
2007-09-18 09:12:42 AM
Thanks The Dynamite Monkey and Nabb1. I feel much better now.

On a side note, I'd kill for the guitar tone off that Neurotic Outsiders CD and I wish I could write lyrics like that!

"You feel so good. Dick is like a stiff hard piece of wood."

Genius!
 
2007-09-18 09:13:22 AM
How un-punk of them.
 
2007-09-18 09:22:20 AM
hey go see the concert if you like em that much;
there's no accounting for taste
or lack thereof


but don't try to tell me they're worth listening to



/saw Television reunion show
//let the fools have their tar-tar sau...er, sex pistols
 
2007-09-18 09:22:28 AM
My old band opened a show on their first reunion tour in 1996. While they were at one time an exciting band, they are pretty lifeless now. My singer jumped onto their tour bus and threw a bottle at John Lydon. Good times.
 
2007-09-18 09:22:32 AM
bad_blood:
I saw this the first time, when they toured with Gravity Kills in '96.

They were ok.



I was at this show in NY and I thought they were great, but it was the only show I've ever seen where the opening band played longer than the headliner.
Gravity Kills played for almost an hour and The Sex Pistols played for only 45 minutes...

Of course, The Sex Pistols played every song in their catalog...
 
2007-09-18 09:54:24 AM
I saw them the second time around. I believe it was 2002. Man, that was a kick ass show. Rev Horton Heat played first, and then the Dropkick Murphys. Amazing.

It's quite a load of crap that everyone is bashing the Pistols. I know that when I'm 60, I sure as hell hope I'd be able to get on stage and rock that hard.
 
2007-09-18 10:10:50 AM
davynelson: there's no accounting for taste
or lack thereof


Yep! Yours is good and everyone else's is lesser. How lucky for you!

davynelson: /saw Television reunion show

And there are those who might say that Television is pretentious art-rock pap that does not rock in any way. (Although I like Richard Lloyd's guitar playing, and his solo work).

And was Richard Hell there? Then was it really a Television reunion?

gadmo78: I was at this show in NY and I thought they were great, but it was the only show I've ever seen where the opening band played longer than the headliner.
Gravity Kills played for almost an hour and The Sex Pistols played for only 45 minutes...


I was there too at Roseland for the second night, and while I had a great time, (and it sounded AWESOME) I do think they could have played a bit more.
 
2007-09-18 10:24:52 AM
I wish John would get those giant warty white moles taken off his face. It's taken all the focus off his hair and buggy eyes.
 
2007-09-18 10:30:47 AM
FTFA God Save The Queen is out on October 8 and fans hope to sweep it to No1 -after it failed to top the chart in 1977 despite being banned by radio and TV stations.

due to?
Bollocks.
 
2007-09-18 10:32:57 AM
Really surprised at how many people are starting to turn on to Television

I got into them a few years ago and they are one of my favorite bands. Hell, Venus is song me and my girlfriend have as one of the "mutually agreed sexytime songs".

Thats rare.

Marquee Moon is a terrific album, although I agree with the idea that Richard Hell should be there.

His stuff with the Voidoids isnt that bad either though, IMHO.
 
2007-09-18 10:42:06 AM
Glasgowsfinest: One large difference: Led Zeppelin were good.

Yeah they were good -- good at stealing songs from people.
 
2007-09-18 11:06:25 AM
They didn't change anything, bunch middle aged, ex-punk rock, ex-hippy,rich hypocrites.

/eat the old
 
2007-09-18 11:17:07 AM
Yeah they were good -- good at stealing songs from people.

They played 'em better than anyone else. I'm not actually a fan of Plant, but that rhythm section was a thing to behold...

...Unlike the Sex Pistols (this is just an opinion mind you) although I found Mr Lydon mildly amusing.

I heard a classic quote about The Sex Pistols yesterday: "They were manufactured ... but Malcolm McLaren hadn't counted on Johnny Rotten being a genius." - Tony Wilson
 
2007-09-18 11:28:49 AM
I'm thinking Sex Pistols is not even close to a raise when Led Zeppelin is the original bet.
 
2007-09-18 11:35:06 AM
The pistols where just a launching point for public image ltd.

Johnny helped define punk and then destroy it...how appropriate.
 
2007-09-18 11:36:23 AM
AuralArgument: The pistols where just a launching point for public image ltd.

Johnny helped define punk and then destroy it...how appropriate.


Johnny defined retard. that's about it.
 
2007-09-18 12:02:23 PM
Glasgowsfinest: They played 'em better than anyone else. I'm not actually a fan of Plant, but that rhythm section was a thing to behold...

I'll agree with you on that. You could have played anything in front of those two guys and it would have sounded good.

Glasgowsfinest: ..Unlike the Sex Pistols (this is just an opinion mind you) although I found Mr Lydon mildly amusing.

The Pistols could play, and play well. And at the time they were enormously exciting.

Glasgowsfinest: I heard a classic quote about The Sex Pistols yesterday: "They were manufactured ... but Malcolm McLaren hadn't counted on Johnny Rotten being a genius." - Tony Wilson

I think Tony Wilson was a very cool guy -- but he also bought Malcolm's bullshiat -- or at least he was pretending to. It makes good copy and Tony's background was as a journalist. It's a much better sound bite than the truth.

AuralArgument: The pistols where just a launching point for public image ltd.

That's kinda silly also. PiL had its moments, but they actually were a 'manufactured' band the way everyone said the Pistols were -- that was Lydon's point in calling the whole thing "a corporation". But the Pistols changed the course of music history (for better or worse) and you can't say that about PiL.
 
2007-09-18 12:07:17 PM
Awesome.

/hates Led Zeppelin
//loves the Pistols
 
2007-09-18 12:24:40 PM
Led Zeppelin is great... if you're 40, still a pothead, and live on Long Island working as a plumber.
I didn't want to see the sex pistols in 96, and I don't want to see them now, but I still think Never Mind the Bollocks is one of the greatest albums of all time... there are few albums that still get me as worked up as that one.
 
2007-09-18 12:38:45 PM
The Dynamite Monkey: mrEdude: sex pistols were a malcom mclaren fashion project

No they were not. You're completely wrong. They were a band before they met Malcolm. You've bought Malcolm's line of bullshiat!



Dunno what crap bollocks you've been reading, but they were not a band - as defined by the Cook, Jones, Rotten, Matlock/ Vicious line-up - before McLaren entered into the fray and named them Sex Pistols. In that respect they were McLaren's fashion project - though I'm sure the lads thought otherwise.

Anyway, f*ck the Pistols - retarded one-trick monkeys - there's only one punk rock band that matters.

www.lauralevine.com
 
2007-09-18 12:39:17 PM
They've had reunions before. 1996 and 2003, maybe even a couple more. I went to see them Trump Marina Casino in Atlantic City. Weirdest "Punk Rock" show I've ever seen. The audience was a large mixture of graying old school Punkers, Emos, hipsters, hustlers and confused blue haired old ladies who lost there way to the slots. Great show though.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6142858089793022478
 
2007-09-18 12:48:35 PM
GungFu: Anyway, f*ck the Pistols - retarded one-trick monkeys - there's only one punk rock band that matters


The Clash would not have existed if it wasn't for those one-trick monkeys. It was when the 101-ers (Strummer's original band) were playing with the Pistols that Strummer "Saw the light and got involved in the punk scene" (note: his own words; not mine)
 
2007-09-18 12:58:58 PM
GungFu: Dunno what crap bollocks you've been reading, but they were not a band - as defined by the Cook, Jones, Rotten, Matlock/ Vicious line-up - before McLaren entered into the fray and named them Sex Pistols. In that respect they were McLaren's fashion project - though I'm sure the lads thought otherwise.

Yes, Malcolm thought of the name (they were called "The Swankers" among other things prior) and they found Rotten after Malclom was manager; but Matlock, Jones and Cook were playing for years prior, including playing many of the tunes the Pistols made famous. There were other members (paging: Wally Nightingale) and Steve was the original singer.

Additionally, Malcolm never came to rehearsals, or influenced their music in any way. Yes he did dress them up in clothes from his shop, and he did influence the "look" of the band -- but of course you can't see any of that on my copy of NMTB. That LP is Glen's songs, John's singing, Steve's guitar, and Chris Thomas' production. Malcolm had nuttin' to do with it.

Despite what you say, they absolutely, positively were a band before Malcolm entered the picture. The idea they were some kind of Mclaren boy band is Malcom's self-invented urban legend and you have bought it.

They were no more his "project" and Led Zeppelin was Peter Grant's "project" or Jimi Hendrix was Chas Chandler's "project".

Read Matlock's book for the best version of the story, but there are others.

/ ps I love the clash too, that rivalry ended in 1978
 
2007-09-18 01:02:06 PM
speedk0re: GungFu: Anyway, f*ck the Pistols - retarded one-trick monkeys - there's only one punk rock band that matters

The Clash would not have existed if it wasn't for those one-trick monkeys. It was when the 101-ers (Strummer's original band) were playing with the Pistols that Strummer "Saw the light and got involved in the punk scene" (note: his own words; not mine)


Er, no-one is disputing the spark of influence - you can add U2, Joy Division, Morrissey etc on that list who 'saw the light' - but the Pistols are a bunch of one-trick monkeys. What's there to dispute? There are more famous for being the first in attitude than they are for music. Period. Oh, and attitude from the 70s. Farking (sorry, a rude word!) boriiiiing!

imagecache2.allposters.com
 
2007-09-18 01:07:59 PM
GungFu: Er, no-one is disputing the spark of influence - you can add U2, Joy Division, Morrissey etc on that list who 'saw the light' - but the Pistols are a bunch of one-trick monkeys. What's there to dispute? There are more famous for being the first in attitude than they are for music. Period. Oh, and attitude from the 70s. Farking (sorry, a rude word!) boriiiiing!

Sorry, pal, true they only made one album, but if you don't hear the rock greatness in "Anarchy" and "God Save The Queen"... and try and find a "best albums" list that doesn't have NMTB on it. You can't really call that a one-trick pony the way some acts are one hit wonders.

One album, yes, but a damned good one. Do I prefer London Calling to NMTB? Well I prefer London Calling to every other LP ever made, so it's kind of a trick question. But NMTB is one of the best rock records of all time.
 
2007-09-18 01:08:37 PM
Maybe that's the thing for me; the attitude is what I liked. Play the Clash's self titled album or London Calling, then put on Combat Rock. Now THAT is farking boring.
 
2007-09-18 01:16:13 PM
The Dynamite Monkey: Despite what you say, they absolutely, positively were a band before Malcolm entered the picture. The idea they were some kind of Mclaren boy band is Malcom's self-invented urban legend and you have bought it.


As you know, some of the guys were in bands in various guises prior to being the 'Sex Pistols'. Matlock only joined in 75, Cook and Jones were playing together even before then, and it was with Lydon did they become the Sex Pistols. So, really, in effect, to say that 'they' were a band prior to McLaren is a bogus one.

By the way, I'm in no way disputing what the band members say about McLaren and his influence ( or lack of ) on them as some sort of great rock and roll swindle, and that he pulled all the strings -- If McLaren says it was his project, it's just his opinion, and like I said, I doubt the lads saw it as such.

Anyway, here's more of The Clash:

hostler.com
 
2007-09-18 01:20:27 PM
GungFu: Matlock only joined in 75, Cook and Jones were playing together even before then, and it was with Lydon did they become the Sex Pistols. So, really, in effect, to say that 'they' were a band prior to McLaren is a bogus one.

You first sentence says they were a band before Malcolm. Your second sentence say they were not. Forgive me for being dense, but I am not sure how to parse that.

GungFu: If McLaren says it was his project, it's just his opinion, and like I said, I doubt the lads saw it as such.

And in this one you seem to be agreeing that it's all Malc's bogus self-PR.
 
2007-09-18 01:25:16 PM
Been stealing songs and lyrics for so long its not true,
Can't write our own songs, so hard to do.
Lots of people talk and few of them know,
Lyrics of the Lemon Song was really Killing Floor, yeah!
Whole Lotta Love was a Willie Dixon tune
We stole Bring it on Home from him too
We stole Custard Pie and White Summer.
Right after Hats Off to Roy Harper
We hurt them and abused them telling all of our lies,
How our songs are our own, lord these fibs are king size.
Sweet copyright infringement, we don't know where you've been,
Gonna steal another, here we come again.
Every day these writers work so hard
Bringin home my hard earned pay
Try to keep stealing, but they push us away.
Don't know why people complain
Most of them are dead
Sweet little lyrics, we want to rip off again.
Been stealing songs and lyrics for so long, its not true,
Can't write our own songs, so hard to do.
Take it easy baby, let them say what they will.
When we cash in their royalties, will they send us a bill?
 
2007-09-18 01:26:25 PM
The Dynamite Monkey: Sorry, pal, true they only made one album, but if you don't hear the rock greatness in "Anarchy" and "God Save The Queen"... and try and find a "best albums" list that doesn't have NMTB on it. You can't really call that a one-trick pony the way some acts are one hit wonders.

One album, yes, but a damned good one. Do I prefer London Calling to NMTB? Well I prefer London Calling to every other LP ever made, so it's kind of a trick question. But NMTB is one of the best rock records of all time.



Yeah, I was tempted to call them a two-trick pony, because I knew that Anarchy and God Save would be mentioned at some point, and don't get me wrong those two songs are classics - i still have to listen to Anarchy at full blast each and every time, and it still manages to chill the soul with the sheer energy and vitriol that it spews ( despite having probably the worst rhyme ever - Ana-kist/anti-christ? No wonder Matlock wasn't happy about it ).

Amazing coupla of songs. The rest of the album is so so...
People are paying to see if the attitude is there again - they didn't come to hear a concert; if anything, they come to hear those two songs and a few sneery "farks" and "whooops, nothing, a rude word" remarks from Lydon.

Basically, people are not expecting new material, let's put it that way.
 
2007-09-18 01:30:22 PM
GungFu: Matlock only joined in 75, Cook and Jones were playing together even before then, and it was with Lydon did they become the Sex Pistols. So, really, in effect, to say that 'they' were a band prior to McLaren is a bogus one.

You first sentence says they were a band before Malcolm. Your second sentence say they were not. Forgive me for being dense, but I am not sure how to parse that.


I said that they were a band before Malcolm? I said that? Actually, I was replying to the idea that 'they' ( the line-up of Cook, Jones, Matlock and Lydon) were not a band prior to becoming the Sex Pistols.

I think you've confused me with someone else.


GungFu: If McLaren says it was his project, it's just his opinion, and like I said, I doubt the lads saw it as such.

And in this one you seem to be agreeing that it's all Malc's bogus self-PR.


Seriously, I think you're confused as to what I've been replying to.
 
2007-09-18 01:34:02 PM
This is not a raise. Nothing against the Sex Pistols, but Led Zeppelin is in a different stratosphere.
 
2007-09-18 01:55:22 PM
Yeah the real singer is uhmmmm kinda dead.
 
2007-09-18 02:01:22 PM
Being in the minority, I'd just like to say I really like both Led Zeppelin and the Sex Pistols.
 
2007-09-18 02:03:19 PM
Sex Pistols = overrated

The Clash = brilliant

The end.
 
2007-09-18 02:12:02 PM
Sex Pistols = brilliant

The Clash = overrated

Epilogue.
 
2007-09-18 02:43:24 PM
The Dynamite Monkey:
I was there too at Roseland for the second night, and while I had a great time, (and it sounded AWESOME) I do think they could have played a bit more.

That's just the point - they couldn't have played a bit more... They played every song they ever had and it barely lasted 45 minutes...
It was a great show though...

/Filthy Lucre FTW
 
2007-09-18 03:14:50 PM
To say that either band sucked is a disservice to anyone who has a brain. Both bands had shining moments where they transcended something they started. Both bands also had a bit of suck at times. I like both of them....but NMTB is on my desert island discs and Zep is not.
 
2007-09-18 03:22:10 PM
As much as I entirely preferred the Pistols to Zeppelin (just found my Randy's Rodeo ticket stub in my archives last week), even I can see that there's not much comparison, reunion-wise.
 
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