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2007-09-17 11:40:24 PM  
That is not ironic. It's what the ACLU does. Protecting hypocritical asshats is sort of its mission statement.
 
2007-09-18 12:02:30 AM  
BritneysSpeculum: That is not ironic. It's what the ACLU does. Protecting hypocritical asshats is sort of its mission statement.

True. Their point is to fight back against the mob mentality no matter who is being victimized.

God damn they're a dangerous bunch. Terrorists, all of them.
 
2007-09-18 12:03:08 AM  
Someone's not quite up on what the ACLU does.
 
2007-09-18 12:37:43 AM  
Curse those freedom-hating ACLU pinkos. You know what else we should get rid of? Defense lawyers. Lousy pro-criminal bastards.
 
2007-09-18 02:02:26 AM  
How's this ironic?
 
2007-09-18 02:42:57 AM  
"Sen. Craig has not always been a great friend of civil liberties, but you shouldn't have to endorse the civil liberties of others to keep your own," said ACLU Executive Director Anthony Romero, alluding to Craig's history of voting against gay rights.

Farking communists. At least now we know the ACLU defends people who "aren't" gay as well as people who are.
 
2007-09-18 02:46:12 AM  
BTW, in all seriously, Hero tag for the ACLU for this one.

If the police really wanted to stop people from having sex in public bathrooms, they "should put up a sign banning sex in the restroom and send in a uniformed officer to patrol periodically," Romero said.

This.

/Not gay
//Doesn't solicit gay or any other sex in bathrooms either
///Doesn't care if other people solicit sex this way as long as they actually do it somewhere else
 
2007-09-18 03:03:17 AM  
Sparhawk.: At least now we know the ACLU defends people who "aren't" gay as well as people who are.

That's kind of the point of the ACLU, ain't it?
 
2007-09-18 03:08:53 AM  
Sometimes I think the hatred for the ACLU from the right would be much much LESS if they stopped doing stuff like defending Rush or Craig.

It must drive them nuts to see the organization they love to attack proving they are one of the few truely non-partisan political organizations in the country.
 
2007-09-18 03:59:48 AM  
Eh, honestly, while I can see a certain amount of injustice in the arrest, I can't see any legal basis for letting him pull his guilty plea, given that he acknowledges in the plea that he does not believe he is innocent of the charges, and he acknowledges that he is waiving his right to a trial. I mean, the plea system in the US is totally farked up, and a bunch of people do end up entering guilty pleas to avoid jail time or more serious consequences, and there was a whole frontline thing where some of the people who pled guilty were later fbxred by their pleas, despite conclusive evidence that the charges were false... Most of the time, I could chalk that up to people not understanding the evidence against them, or an unfamiliarity with the legal system though... in this case, however, the person claiming they didnt understand the nuance of law or the evidence against them is someone who has decades of experience within the legislature... if he can get his plea yanked because he claims he didn't understand the nature of the arrest was unconstitutional etc... then whats to stop all the people less legally qualified than him (most people) from claiming the same? Aside from that, were we to grant that he didn't understand his arrest was unconstitutional and the evidence doesn't support the charges, but we were to fail to make such consideration for all the other existing pleas, then how can we in good conscience say that he isn't getting special treatment?
 
2007-09-18 04:14:53 AM  
firefly212: Eh

Holy shiat, forgive me for not copying your entire point but I'm drunk (merlot). But holy shiat, you raise a g ood point. Where is my soze at? 'Cuz I'm in looooovee.
 
2007-09-18 06:04:55 AM  
When a U.S. Senator can't cruise airport public bathrooms for some peter puffin'... the terrorists have already won.

www.quickstopentertainment.com

Are YOU a peter puffer!?
 
2007-09-18 06:05:26 AM  
Well this certainly proves Craig did it, or him.
 
2007-09-18 06:06:35 AM  
firefly212

If he pulls his guilty plea, then he sets (a very visible) precedent for others to pull their pleas, too. It's very simple law that makes the ACLU back his case.

Not to mention that the ACLU does NOT (repeat: DOES NOT) support cases on the basis on who is being represented, rather on the precedent that would be set. Larry Craig's case would set a huge precedent (or at least a very visible one), hence the support from the ACLU.

It's the sometimes frustrating way that the ACLU works.
 
2007-09-18 06:10:41 AM  
The ironic tag is working overtime... because it's not supposed to be working right now...?
 
2007-09-18 06:11:34 AM  
Sure took them long enough to decide they'd like to protect the constitution in this case. If it was a democrat, they'd have been there within 12-18 hours.
 
2007-09-18 06:12:23 AM  
Let me be the first to say NOT IRONIC.

/Now where is my badge
 
2007-09-18 06:12:51 AM  
Holy shiat, I'm drunk at 6:07 AM.

I'd just like to say that I'm not sure how much of a legal foothold Craig's got on this. I've never heard of people reversing guilty pleas (though since you can reverse not-guilty pleas I'm not surprised). I thought since the court already handed down a decision, he would have automatically waved his right to appeal, therefore would have also waved his right to withdraw his guilty plea?

And if he didn't want to cop to actually wanting sex in a public bathroom, why not plead no contest? From what I understand, it's the same as a guilty plea, only you don't actually admit culpability to the crime?

/pardon lapses in reason
//been up drinking all night
///damn women
 
2007-09-18 06:13:06 AM  
Desterion: Sure took them long enough to decide they'd like to protect the constitution in this case. If it was a democrat, they'd have been there within 12-18 hours.

Nice Troll
 
2007-09-18 06:15:06 AM  
As a card-carrying member of the ACLU, I completely understand this move. As much as I dislike Mr. Craig, I've always found the grounds for his arrest a bit fishy.
 
2007-09-18 06:15:20 AM  
Desterion
Sure took them long enough to decide they'd like to protect the constitution in this case. If it was a democrat, they'd have been there within 12-18 hours.

Damn. Some people are just never happy, no matter what.
 
2007-09-18 06:26:01 AM  
henry_chinask:

I have to admit... your comment made me laugh for about 10 minutes.

If you don't know why this is ironic, then...

A) You're grossly uninformed

B) You didn't read the article, you only enjoy discussion trolling.

C) Your IQ is that of a Herring, yet you still find joy in discussion trolling.

Good day.
 
2007-09-18 06:28:58 AM  
The only reason the ACLU is helping Craig is because if he stays in the Senate it hurts the Republicans. They could care less about Craig, but they would love to hurt the GOP.
Craig is an idiot who should have just resigned.
 
Ra_
2007-09-18 06:32:54 AM  
You have the right to tap the foot of the guy in the next stall.
You have the right to enjoy his penis.
You have the right to swallow.
If you cannot find a penis, one will be provided for you.
Do you understand these rights?
 
2007-09-18 06:32:59 AM  
Desterion: Sure took them long enough to decide they'd like to protect the constitution in this case. If it was a democrat, they'd have been there within 12-18 hours.

I'm sure you can back that assertion up with something more than your biased opinion, right?
Every time you post, you make yourself out to be a bigger idiot that you seemed to be before.

That's incredible!
 
2007-09-18 06:34:07 AM  
darkedgefan: The only reason the ACLU is helping Craig is because if he stays in the Senate it hurts the Republicans. They could care less about Craig, but they would love to hurt the GOP.
Craig is an idiot who should have just resigned.


ACLU Derangement Syndrome.
 
2007-09-18 06:34:11 AM  
Not ironic. The ACLU takes a wide stance on constitutional rights.
 
2007-09-18 06:34:49 AM  
darkedgefan: The only reason the ACLU is helping Craig is because if he stays in the Senate it hurts the Republicans. They could care less about Craig, but they would love to hurt the GOP.
Craig is an idiot who should have just resigned.


Where do you get this?
What kind of world do you live in?
Is there any history of ignorance in your family?
 
2007-09-18 06:35:27 AM  
darkedgefan: The only reason the ACLU is helping Craig is because if he stays in the Senate it hurts the Republicans. They could care less about Craig, but they would love to hurt the GOP.

I knew the spin from the ACLU-haters would be hilarious.
 
2007-09-18 06:36:28 AM  
- 50 millions for Subby

Craig TECHNICALLY even if every signal he made was a communication to have gay sex DID NOT violate a damned law in the state he was in

had he whipped it out and went to have himself some gay bathroom sex he would have then had no stance wide enough to cover him

/Now this is assuming he can dial back the charges which I am not sure he can
 
2007-09-18 06:38:49 AM  
Audaeus:
Dictionary. Use it.
 
2007-09-18 06:41:16 AM  
Irony is a literary or rhetorical device, in which there is a gap or incongruity between what a speaker or a writer says and what is generally understood (either at the time, or in the later context of history). Irony may also arise from a discordance between acts and results, especially if it is striking, and seen by an outside audience. Irony is understood as an aesthetic evaluation by an audience, which relies on a sharp discordance between the real and the ideal, and which is variously applied to texts, speech, events, acts, and even fashion.

hmmmmm no this doesn't sound Ironic

/Dontcha think?
 
2007-09-18 06:43:28 AM  
The ACLU supports peeping into and reaching into bathroom stalls being used by someone else? Weird.

Seriously, this nation must be in damn fine shape if misdemeanor disorderly conduct for bathroom peeping is the sort of thing the ACLU spends its time on nowadays.
 
2007-09-18 06:45:26 AM  
Donald_McRonald: Not ironic. The ACLU takes a wide stance on constitutional rights.

Niiiice.
 
2007-09-18 06:53:44 AM  
Regular readers of "The Onion" are not surprised by this move.

See for yourself! (SFW, Pops, Godwin)
 
2007-09-18 06:56:11 AM  
karasoth

Irony and ironic are different words. The definition of irony does not apply. Ironic means, as one definition, "Poignantly contrary to what was expected or intended." If you're one of those retards who thinks the ACLU is a purely liberal organization, then it would be ironic for them to support a conservative. It's not ironic, but to some people it could be.

Now, let's not get into a long-winded debate about the meanings of the words irony and ironic, because in almost every case both sides are wrong.
 
2007-09-18 07:03:50 AM  
karasoth:

Craig TECHNICALLY even if every signal he made was a communication to have gay sex DID NOT violate a damned law in the state he was in

Hmmm, Solicitation? Lewd and Lascivious behavior? Disorderly conduct?

Here's the deal, if you solicit sex in a public bathroom, you may not be
breaking any specific law but you are crossing a line society has put in
place and that has nothing to do with sexual orientation. You have the
right to flirt in public but that flirting should be acceptable in public. If
you choose to extend that behavior from what can be done outside
the bathroom, you have crossed that boundary - law or no law.

If my child comes out of a bathroom and tells me something happened
when he was in there that he "doesn't understand" I can assure you that
the legal ramifications will be the last thing on the transgressor's mind.
 
2007-09-18 07:04:45 AM  
If the police really wanted to stop people from having sex in public bathrooms, they "should put up a sign banning sex in the restroom and send in a uniformed officer to patrol periodically," Romero said.

Quite possible one of the stupidest statements I have ever read.
 
2007-09-18 07:09:15 AM  
"Ironic" tag wouldn't even think about getting out of bed for this.
 
2007-09-18 07:09:55 AM  
NobleHam: in almost every case both sides are wrong.

Now, let's take this phrase out of context, and see how it applies to the article.

\Nothing useful to add
\\Bored and Trolling
\\\ IGNORE ME!
 
2007-09-18 07:10:40 AM  
They are being consistent. consisten asshats.

/Anthony Romero?? Related to Ric romero?
 
2007-09-18 07:18:34 AM  
Donald_McRonald: Not ironic. The ACLU takes a wide stance on constitutional rights.

For the win. Best. post. evar.
 
2007-09-18 07:18:44 AM  
So the ACLU has finally chased Jesus out of all the court rooms?
Now they are moving on to defending homo-sexuals?

Typical, Godless hippies.
 
2007-09-18 07:19:08 AM  
Disgruntled Postal Worker: /Anthony Romero?? Related to Ric romero?

With statements like this:

If the police really wanted to stop people from having sex in public bathrooms, they "should put up a sign banning sex in the restroom and send in a uniformed officer to patrol periodically," Romero said.

...I think it might be Ric's mildly-retarded brother.

Does he think folks are farking in public restrooms because they don't know it's illegal? Srsly? "Sorry, officer! We thought this was a Public Humping Station!" WTF?
 
2007-09-18 07:22:05 AM  
As much as I think the arrest itself was fishy (because really, the way to stop people having sex in public is to simply make a uniformed police presence, not some goddam sting operation), I hope Craig doesn't get to withdraw his guilty plea.

Here's a man who's a US Senator, probably as familiar with the law and his rights as any attorney, and he supposedly didn't realize what he was doing when he plead guilty?

Now, if he could plead guilty "by mistake", what the hell about the thousands of people in poverty, illiterate, and high on god knows what that come before the court?

It sets a nasty precedence. Unless you can prove some strange state, like being in a malaria fever, your plea stands. It's your job to get a lawyer beforehand to figure out which way to go.
 
2007-09-18 07:23:49 AM  
The ACLU does some fine work...sometimes. But not here, and not now.

Craig didn't deny any of his behavior described by the arresting officer. Including reaching under the stall divider. So on what basis was the arrest unconstitutional?

If this was a case of a man harassing an unconsenting woman in unisex bathroom there would be no claims of unconstitutionality. There would be no outcries of injustice.
 
2007-09-18 07:26:26 AM  
yarnothuntin: So the ACLU has finally chased Jesus out of all the court rooms?
Now they are moving on to defending homo-sexuals?

Typical, Godless hippies.


-1 for troll attempt.
 
2007-09-18 07:26:46 AM  
hillbillypharmacist: Here's a man who's a US Senator, probably as familiar with the law and his rights as any attorney, and he supposedly didn't realize what he was doing when he plead guilty?

Now, if he could plead guilty "by mistake", what the hell about the thousands of people in poverty, illiterate, and high on god knows what that come before the court?


THIS.

If we allow Larry Craig, who really should have known better, to withdraw a guilty plea on even this minor charge, then a guilty plea won't mean a damn thing from here on out.
 
2007-09-18 07:29:29 AM  
Close2TheEdge: yarnothuntin: So the ACLU has finally chased Jesus out of all the court rooms?
Now they are moving on to defending homo-sexuals?

Typical, Godless hippies.

-1 for troll attempt.


What? That was a good one.
 
2007-09-18 07:30:47 AM  
toasterlocker: For the win. Best. post. evar.

Thank you. I'll add it to the list.
 
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