Because maybe Swift Boaters are liars and MoveOn.org is all about the truth?


/ducks

Submitter... It's not the Liberals that are oppressing you, it was having the umbilical cord wrapped around your neck for too long when you were born.

Go back to watching Fox News and picking your nose all day, soon it will be Friday night and you can fall asleep to the sounds of all the guys in the trailer park banging your mom again.

dogdaze: If a company sells an ad worth $167,000 for $65,000, then, that would be an in-kind contribution of $102,000.

Nope.

Whamdangler: dogdaze: If a company sells an ad worth $167,000 for $65,000, then, that would be an in-kind contribution of $102,000.

Nope.

He went to the University of Florida. It's not his fault.

Look, I'm not necessarily saying I think this was unbiased; I'm unsure. But couldn't it just be that the NYT sold dick for ads that day, and had to get some filler somehow? It's something that really can't be compared generally - some days they'll probably have to turn advertisers away; others, they'll be begging for ads.

The bottom line is that it's a non-story.

Don't like that answer ? Too f*cking bad.

pandabear: Thing about newspapers, you can print as many sheets as you need. There's no magic number it has to be. In fact, it's a bit of a pain for the composition guys if someone puts a full-page ad in the first section, because then some stuff has to be cut, or moved, or another sheet (another four pages) has to be added and then filled. So, no.

I mean filler in that they have 40 pages of content that needs to be printed, 12 pages of wire stories that could be left out if they needed to, and 8 pages of ads. Unless they plan on leaving out the big news, they're going to have a fairly ad-free edition, which will cost them money (at which point, they'll take damn near any offer). Granted, this is a highly contrived example, but you get my point.

Where's the contribution value for 24/7 Fox News bashing Democrats for 12 years ?

pandabear: Thing about newspapers, you can print as many sheets as you need. There's no magic number it has to be. In fact, it's a bit of a pain for the composition guys if someone puts a full-page ad in the first section, because then some stuff has to be cut, or moved, or another sheet (another four pages) has to be added and then filled. So, no.

Depends on when the ad was scheduled/sold. Layout dummies are done well in advance, adding/taking away pages so near a deadline is a major no-no, even for community papers.

I can imagine that it takes a major act to get a page added or taken away withing 24 hours of deadline at the NYT.

I've newspapers under 50,000 daily circulation where it was next to impossible to get a page added to a daily run post pre-press page production.

"You can print as many sheets as you want" is a major fallacy. Print schedules are done months in advance, if not years. The allocation and budgeting of newsprint consumption is a major factor at any newspaper organization.

lunchinlewis: They absolutely are allowed. But they shouldn't be surprised when people call them out on it. And I don't know why people are wasting time being apologists for their actions.

I'm not. Good for the New York Times. And fark you, neocons.

Mordant: The bottom line is that it's a non-story.

It's only a story if it involves Republicans and Fox News?
What a tiny world you live in.

That said, I don't like seeing stories using sources that are assumed anonymous. A former NYT ad rep and a MoveOn staffer who heard about it from a reporter? Either name your sources or tell us why you can't name them.

pandabear: In fact, it's a bit of a pain for the composition guys if someone puts a full-page ad in the first section, because then some stuff has to be cut, or moved, or another sheet (another four pages) has to be added and then filled. So, no.

I doubt the decision to run this ad was made at the last minute.

This whole thing is just an attempt to distract people from the actual message in the Moveon ad. Its the same old tactic always used by politicians and their lackeys when they don't want to address or want to suppress the real issues.

Mordant: The bottom line is that it's a non-story.

Don't like that answer ? Too f*cking bad.

You're doing it wrong.

From the Federal Election Committee Campaign Guide for Nonconnected Committees (PDF) , p. 16: (emphasis mine)

DISCOUNTS

If a corporation or labor organization sells goods or services to a political committee at a price below the usual or normal charge, a prohibited contribution results in the amount of the discount. 100.52(d). A reduced price is not considered a contribution, however, if it is offered by the vendor in the ordinary course of business and at the same amount charged to nonpolitical clients. See, e.g., AO 1989-14.

In other words, there is a very strong case to be made that the NYT, a major national newspaper, violated campaign finance rules. Which, by definition, makes this a story.

You lose. Good day sir.

/"I believe there is no method to secure the repeal of bad or obnoxious laws more effective than their strict construction." - Gen. U.S. Grant

The point that everyone seems to miss is that the ad sold a ton of papers for the NYT. It also got them free airtime on every major media outlet and mentioned even in the halls of congress. They were completely justified giving a discount based on that alone; really, they could have given the space for free just to pump up the controversy. Who cares what the political leanings were of the message or even how inflammatory it was; we've got freedom of the press in this country.

Fox News. I think that pretty much ends the thread.

Maybe they are trying to balance the accounts with all the free advertising Judith Miller did for the Pro-War crowds.

I probably wouldn't let liars and theocratic fascists run ads in my paper either.

Boo hoo hoo! Woe is me! Boo hoo hoo!

Cry, little babies, cry.

Don't you mean Swift Boat like sacks of shiat?

Truth ≠ "bias"

er, lying sacks of shiat

MasterThief

/clap

HotWingConspiracy: I probably wouldn't let liars and theocratic fascists run ads in my paper either.

then you would be out of business in a hurry, used car dealers are the biggest advertisers for newspapers.