As gay as Frats are, My bigger issue with them is that everyone is the same. Fart members all have the same personality and they strive for sameness. Clothing, music, movies, everything is the same. Where is the diversity?

unremarkable asterisk: FuelCycle: Lots of fraternity bashing, probably from the total nerds who are simply jealous that they couldn't get in.

"Jealous they couldn't get in"? Do the frats also teach you to be full of yourself? What you fail to realize, is that the rest of the non-greek campus was laughing at you and mocking you the whole time you were there. Now you just get to see it on places like FARK.

Every time you create and "us", you automatically create a "them". Thus the greek bashing. Also, you probably hated your conference sports rival schools and they hated you. Not because they knew anything about you or your school, but because you belonged to something different than them. Sound familiar?

Not really, and I had many friends that were not into the whole Greek scene, I still hung out with them and they still liked all of "us". Its the only the ones that bash the others that appear to be jealous, why else would they need to generalize and talk bad about people they don't even know? Most of the people doing this probably assume that all fraternities are the same, which is just not true. As for the sports rivals comment, you could not be more wrong. I had many high school friends that went to college with our biggest rivals and we still got along great.

So can us guys join a sorority and enjoy all that good slumber party fun. RIGHT this works both ways.

That should be Frat members, not fart members

cowsspinach: In a way I dont feel bad for the girls who has "trains" performed on them, they put themselves in that situation.

Yeah, those dirty sluts. How dare they leave the safety and security of their own locked rooms! In fact, how dare they even exist!

think you, PC liberals

Theaetetus

Are you really so hurt by the existence of male-only fraternities? Why? What did they do to you? And DON'T use the, Waahhh, public funds! Wahhh!!! We all know public funds go to other stuff that could EQUALLY be on the chopping block, this is just an easy target...

I for one welcome our new brother sisters...

wait...

xen0blue: think you, PC liberals

You're welcome, misogynistic troglodyte.

So much homophobia in this thread and from the liberal left side of the site. So sad, so sad. These same people will be proclaiming homosexual rights in another thread, while gay-bashing here (yes calling frat boys "gay" is bashing because you're using "gay" as an insult - you are attaching negativity to it). If you had no problem with homosexuals, you wouldn't use them to insult others. So what if some of them are gay? What is your point EXACTLY? Why even mention it? It's not the motivation for thier protesting girls in the organization, so why are you taking about homosexuality? Ever think that insulting people by calling them gay might be offensive to gay people? Just like calling someone retarded might insult those who are handicapped or people that have mentally handicapped people in thier lives. As if the handicapped should be looked down upon.

/steps off soapbox

Anyway:

Never joined a frat - wasn't for me. But went to alot of frat parties and most frat guys are the same as everyone else, good guys and bad. I for one would love to have hot young girls in my frat. Think of what you could make them do as pledges.

Also, they pidgeon-holed themselves as a Jewish fraternity, which technically means under Title IX that there has to be a Jewish sorority on campus or they have to go co-ed.

Theta Tau was an all male engineering fraternity until Title IX came through in the 1970s. In order to ensure the continued existence of the fraternity after threats of federal lawsuits, the fraternity went co-ed. Only Theta Tau chapters with engineering and technology sororities on campus were allowed to still be all-male, or as we called them ABC chapters (All Boys Club).

As of today I think there are only 7 all-male chapters left. My chapter was one of them and it was always a big joke when we went to a national convention or had another chapter visit that someone might get to bang a brother (where brother insinuated one of the female members of the other chapter). Of course, that never happened because engineering fraternity guys don't get laid.

Sidenote: Yes, there were gay guys in the fraternity. No, it wasn't an issue, just another talking point at lunch. No, as far as I know, none of them banged a brother either.

Howieone: So can us guys join a sorority and enjoy all that good slumber party fun. RIGHT this works both ways.

Wow, sounds like you expect equal rights or something.

squirrelinator: Are you really so hurt by the existence of male-only fraternities? Why? What did they do to you? And DON'T use the, Waahhh, public funds! Wahhh!!! We all know public funds go to other stuff that could EQUALLY be on the chopping block, this is just an easy target...

Um, no, just that. Public funds. See, I don't believe in your liberal tax-and-spend philosophy. I believe that government should be smaller, and public funding should only go towards things that benefit all citizens equally. I don't think we need a nanny state, unlike you.

The reason this ruling can be dangerous is because not all frat houses actually own the house they occupy (that is, they lease it from the school in question, or worse still, the university holds the mortgage on that house) so if they lose support from the school, they have to go away. I dunno about you, but I don't know many frats who could pool their resources to float more than 3 kegs, let alone pay for a multi-million dollar mansion.

As for Greek culture, I used to date a sorority girl. I was pretty tolerant of the whole thing until we broke up, at which point walking around in those parts is like walking on egg shells. For the sake of a peaceful life, I can't even think about hitting on another sorority girl (even from a different house) without running the risk of an epic dramatic shiatstorm being returned unto me. If its your thing, whatever, but as for me, I don't want any part of that gigantic incestuous high school-esque social scene.

FuelCycle

Dude don't let them bother you man, I think someone up the thread nailed it with calling the frat bashers a bunch of basement dwellers, I was never in a frat (played rugby), but I have been out of college like six years now, and don't see the big deal. WHY DOES ANYONE CARE HOW ANYONE ELSE LIVES THEIR LIVES?

I can't wait for the PC rebellion when crap like this will get you lynched. Go pick some flowers you dirty hippies.

/waiting

Whoopty Whoo The Precious Bongo Boy: spacechicken170am: At least they've had a girl in their house, mom doesn't count.

SUre, they have had a lot of girls at their house. And most of them have left bleeding from a couple of different openings, with no memory of what happened. What studs!

Now, if they just get a court to make the let blacks in, they will be able to lynch someone without leaving campus. It will be like an All In One Oppression-Mart!

Wow you forgot to mention Bush in that string of nonsense, you usually have better material.

chucknasty: why would any woman want to join a frat???
why would any one want to join a frat???
we get it, your a douche bag, now please take your dad's financial wang out of your mouth and act like an adult.

People join fraternities for all different reasons. I joined simply to meet new people and have a good time.

And we don't all have money. I worked to put myself through college and I paid my own frat dues. So did 90% of my brothers.

Now... let me guess... you belonged to the chess club?... Computer club?

petsfed1: The reason this ruling can be dangerous is because not all frat houses actually own the house they occupy (that is, they lease it from the school in question, or worse still, the university holds the mortgage on that house) so if they lose support from the school, they have to go away. I dunno about you, but I don't know many frats who could pool their resources to float more than 3 kegs, let alone pay for a multi-million dollar mansion.

As for Greek culture, I used to date a sorority girl. I was pretty tolerant of the whole thing until we broke up, at which point walking around in those parts is like walking on egg shells. For the sake of a peaceful life, I can't even think about hitting on another sorority girl (even from a different house) without running the risk of an epic dramatic shiatstorm being returned unto me. If its your thing, whatever, but as for me, I don't want any part of that gigantic incestuous high school-esque social scene.

Um most of those large fraternity houses are owned by housing corporations set up by the national chapter.

neilio42: spacechicken170am: There's a whole world out there beyond WOW and D&D. So put on some sunblock wipe the cheetos off your face and try some social interaction.

Actually, never played either of those games. (They would count as "social interaction," though. Unless "social interaction" is a gay-sex innuendo.) However, I don't need to hang around 20 guys who all act the same and paid for the "priveledge" of hanging out with each other to feel socially secure. I do quite well social with *ready for it* MY OWN PERSONALITY.

Wow another post with the word gay in it. why don't you just go indulge in your fantasy and quit projecting it onto others. Joining a fraternity does not make you gay, having sex with men makes you gay and all you have talked about so far is having sex with men.

okay, i'll settle this.

a trumpet playing lutheran minister friend of mine was in a music frat in college (phi mu alpha, i think). they were the complete opposite of the stereotypical frat house. the strangest of the brothers was a 13-languages-speaking druid...that wore chain mail everyday. anyway, i was never in a frat, never asked to be in a frat, and never went to a frat party. i've known some frat guys that were stereotypical douchebags, some that were really good guys, and some that were complete dorks (sharp knee haters). enough with the bullshiat stereotyping on both sides.

but, something i think is even more important: does this mean that i would be able to join a sorority if i wanted to? complete with pillow fights, only one large shower for all sisters, and mandatory nudity after 6 pm every night? a man can dream...

What is all this crap about Curves? Any dude that wants to work out at Curves with all the old ladies and housewives in their annoying little circle should be forced to do just that. I was a member for a year because I thought it would be convenient on my way home. I didn't realize how craptacular it was until I went a few times. Then I got to pay for the rest of my damn contract. I can't believe a guy would WANT to go to Curves.

Jesus Christ - God of War is right. We should not call frat boys gay. I know a number of gay people that would be offended by this.

Negligible: Also, they pidgeon-holed themselves as a Jewish fraternity, which technically means under Title IX that there has to be a Jewish sorority on campus or they have to go co-ed.

Only if it's school sponsored. That's why all frats, sororities, women's groups, etc do what they can. Clubs can be recognized but not sponsored.

Theaetetus

Dude, whatever. You don't seem to have a firm enough grasp on reality to continue here....

ajt167: does this mean that i would be able to join a sorority if i wanted to?

Yes, if they want to continue using college resources. If they want to be 'unrecognized' and move off campus however, they could continue to discriminate based on gender.

/yes, Virginia, it really does work both ways

Theaetetus: Yeah, those dirty sluts. How dare they leave the safety and security of their own locked rooms! In fact, how dare they even exist!

Hey, they're the ones who wanted to go about without a male escort, and not wearing unrevealing clothing. They were just asking for it to happen, ya know?

Theaetetus No, I understood it. My point was that without knowing the history of this case, you can't argue that they weren't "dragged through court" earlier. Things like this case usually start when someone alleges discrimination, the college supports the organization, and then the someone takes them to court, resulting in the college being forced to change its policies.

Do some reasearch into case specifics before posting something like that. This is a case of the college denying funding for a new chapter of the fraternity on their campus due to the exclusion of women, not of someone complaining or suing. Further, this court overturned a lower courts descision that seems, to me, to be on very solid ground, and the basis for which I am fairly certain would be accepted for any of the types of organizations I listed earlier.

Article with better info (new window)

Aside from that this is hardly the first case like this - if you do a search you'll see dozens of cases of frats and other types of organizations appealing rulings by colleges against them without prior court proceedings, and few, if any, cases where a college has cut funding to any kind of minority or womens organization without being forced to do so by a court.

Samsaran: Why all the anti Frat hostility on FARK? Dudes, it is simple. Remember those pimple faced geeks in the computer lab, you know the fat ones with the greasy hair and the clothes Momma bought at Kmart? Well they are now FARKERS. They remember how we got all the hot girls, had the nice cars and never even noticed their existence. This is their revenge!

Okay, I know the only way you could be more of a troll is if you had colorful hair sticking straight up and a jewel in your bellybutton, but you sir, are exactly the reason all non-Greeks hate frat boys: your unearned sense of superiority.

Mr. Vicarious: As gay as Frats are, My bigger issue with them is that everyone is the same. Fart members all have the same personality and they strive for sameness. Clothing, music, movies, everything is the same. Where is the diversity?

Well it's very easy to overlook diversity when you're an overgenralizing douchebag.

tweekster:

Um most of those large fraternity houses are owned by housing corporations set up by the national chapter.

Not true. Any campus that has a frat row of frat circle has houses for frats owned by the campus. I go to UMDCP and our frats here can be kicked off of frat row at anytime by the University. Those frats have to then rent their own houses in the community, but no one wants to rent to frat kids.

squirrelinator: Dude, whatever. You don't seem to have a firm enough grasp on reality to continue here....

Translation: "I have no way to respond to your argument, dude, so I'll attempt an ad hominem to try to hide the fact that I either couldn't understand your sarcasm, or simply have no counter argument."

spacechicken170am would like us to know that using the word "gay" now makes you gay. (D'oh, I have some shopping to do now.) However, living with 20 other men still means nothing.

Oh...also, from another article:

The College of Staten Island's policy "does not prevent the Fraternity from continuing to exist, to hold intimate meetings, to exclude women, or to exercise selectivity in choosing new members. Denial of recognition has consequences primarily for the Fraternity's non-intimate aspects. CSI's denial of use of school facilities interferes more with the Fraternity's ability to solicit strangers from future classes to become new members than it interferes with the ability of its existing members to gather and share intimate associations."

That's the appeal court's basis for their ruling. Given this was an application for a *new* frat, and the fact that not being able to recruit new members would essentially mean the long-term viability of the organization is nil, the ruling is based on a completely idiotic and illogical interpretation of the situation and the applicable law.

Tat'dGreaser (favorite)

You don't want to hear my military stories then. Put those weak bastards to shame.

/A mixture of booze and the knowledge of explosives is a bad thing


I am delighted to hear that...please carry on.

So long as Sorority Brothers are allowed, too.

unremarkable asterisk: And yet the original poster was calling non-fraternity types "total nerds" and you didn't call him on that? More than a bit hypocritical.i>

I did not call non-fraternity types nerds, just the people who bash fraternities for no apparent reason. I mean seriously what is with the hatred; you need to realize that not all fraternities are full of douches. There are many historically famous people who were in fraternities; does that one fact make them bad people?

milk_plus

dude, you owe me a new bong

/seriously

Maybe if all the basement dwellers at Fark were had joined a fraternity maybe could have amounted to something...

1)Studies show that 76% of our nation's senators, 71% of the men listed in Who's Who in America, and 85% of the Fortune 500 Executives are fraternity members.

2)Of the nations 50 largest corporations, fraternity members head 43.

3)All but two U.S. Presidents since 1825 have been fraternity men, and 63% of the U.S. President's cabinet members since 1900 have been Greek.

4)85% of the U.S. Supreme Court justices since 1910 have been Greek.

5)A U.S. government study shows that 71% of fraternity and sorority members persist to graduation, while just over 50% of all non-Greeks graduate.

WTF? No pictures of drunken sorostitutes anywhere in this thread?