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2007-09-14 12:50:52 AM  
TheAbstractor: whidbey: Again, why do you care about "wasting troops" when these individual people made a free, conscious decision to go over there? Why do you think you're justified in telling these people what to do with their lives?

I'm hoping there was more than this to your quote about people volunteering to serving their country.
 
2007-09-14 12:50:56 AM  
And I will tell you a story of a peach stone...
 
2007-09-14 12:51:10 AM  
But wait...we haven't "won" yet. Have we?
 
2007-09-14 12:51:33 AM  
Gosh, 5700 men home may cover the help needed if Buffalo or Denver have another snow storm this year. (Not both, though).
 
2007-09-14 12:51:41 AM  
When do the contractors like Halliburton come home? That would end it right away. There'll be troops in Iraq as long as there's money to be made.
 
2007-09-14 12:52:33 AM  
LocalCynic: If he can dupe enough people into thinking it will work, it's a brilliant political strategy, because for the next 50 years the Republicans will be able to campaign on the platform that the Democrats want to "cut and run" from Iraq. Literally - every election they can get up and moan about it. He's trying to make the failed Iraq policy into this century's social security. I suspect that people will not have any of it.

Which is why the next president needs to get everybody and I mean everybody home within the first year of his or her term. Sure, this things might go to hell but hopefully the shiat will settle in two or three years, which will give the Pres enough time to do something splashy in order to get re-elected.
 
2007-09-14 12:53:06 AM  
2000: briansmithradio.com

2006:
www.opentravelinfo.com

Now:
msnbcmedia4.msn.com

farking Hero indeed. Gas prices are DOWN 70 cents! See he Reduced them!
 
2007-09-14 12:53:15 AM  
TheAbstractorAgain, why do you care about "wasting troops" when these individual people made a free, conscious decision to go over there? Why do you think you're justified in telling these people what to do with their lives?

So you don't care what people are doing in your name and in the name of your country with your tax dollars?
 
2007-09-14 12:53:20 AM  
I'm sure the Iraqi people will be happy about that
 
2007-09-14 12:53:33 AM  
TheAbstractor: whidbey: Again, why do you care about "wasting troops" when these individual people made a free, conscious decision to go over there? Why do you think you're justified in telling these people what to do with their lives?

Bullshiat. The troops didn't decide to go over there. The chickenhawks in DC did. The oil execs did. And increasingly, many of the troops didn't even sign up to fight any wars--they're National Guardsmen for chrissakes! And those who are over there for any reason, the least those in charge can do to honor them for putting their lives on the line is making sure it's a damn good reason. And Iraq is no good reason.
 
2007-09-14 12:53:37 AM  
Armchair generals.
 
2007-09-14 12:53:53 AM  
So the Surge worked. Therefore, we are discontinuing the Surge?

Good job, George!

/continual Bush Basher
 
2007-09-14 12:54:07 AM  
windowseat.ca
 
2007-09-14 12:54:48 AM  
falser: This feels a lot like how Best Buy will raise the price of an item by 10% a week before reducing the price and slapping a "10% Off Sale" sticker on it.

/except Bush plays the game with American lives
//and instead he raises it 30K and reduces it 5K and comes off as "hero" according to Fark


It's like what Target does. They put it in their sales paper and even slap a sign on it that says "As Advertised", but what they don't mention is that their "As Advertised" price is the same as their regular price. You're not getting a deal, you're just being tricked into thinking you are.
 
2007-09-14 12:54:50 AM  
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2007-09-14 12:54:57 AM  
TheAbstractor: Why do you think you're justified in telling these people what to do with their lives?

Because I'm right. We have no goddamn business being over there, the war's a bust, the war's illegal, this administration is basically nation-building. Building an empire at our expense to secure the resources and lying about how it's supposedly all about "democracy."

It makes me sick, dude. The only reason to send troops into harm's way is to protect this country and the Constitution, not this sh*t.

Hey, you asked...
 
2007-09-14 12:55:13 AM  
kidsizedcoffin: Why do you think you're justified in telling these people what to do with their lives?

What evidence have you seen that this administration is capable of telling our soldiers what do with their lives either? The soldiers/sailors/marines will never stand up to civilian leadership; that just a little to close to a coup. That's the American public's job in this scenario.
 
2007-09-14 12:55:18 AM  
Cathedralmaster: the biggest redneck here:My God, I just realized that I'm now officially numb to all of this now. It's not a very good feeling, to be honest. Shiat, now I'm sad.

It's like seeing those comercials on TV with the starving children in some war torn country and feeling bad, only it's 1000x times worse cause then you realize it's not some third world dictator that's responsible - it's your country that's to blame. It's partly your fault.

OMG, in 30 or 50 years when they ask, how are we ever going to explain this to our grandchildren?


No, it's not.
 
2007-09-14 12:55:25 AM  
There should be an EVIL tag for Bush & Co.

They are the wicked servants stealing from their masters, us, the People of the United States of America. We own this Country, not them. They are our servants.

Bush, his Daddy the Spook, Clinton, Kerry, Hillary, Obama, any of 'em except for Ron Paul, they're all destroying America by design. They all wanna cozy up to the big fish on the planet & make some real dough for themselves and their families. The desire to make money for yourself and your family in order to provide for them is an instinct familiar to anyone who has children, like I do. But COME ON! They are robbing us blind! Trillions missing from the Penatagon (new tab) and nobody goes to prison? Nobody even gets in trouble? These people are just plain evil.

About half of the world's largest economies belong to corporations. These entities and the bankers are the real predators in our world. Those nationless entities compete for markets around the world most effectively by bribing the locals, our representatives. As Mayer Rothschild, central banker for many European Kings and Nations said, "Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes its laws."

This environment breeds extremely corrupt politicians like Herr Bush. They have no loyalty to America, or any other Nation, for that matter. They simply want to hoard wealth and power. Being in gov't for most politicos has nothing to do with helping the people & everything to do with looting the public treasury in any way they can. They're greedy and they think they're better than the rest of us so they feel justified as they cheat and lie and steal from their constitutents, we the people. Humans can be criminals and these people, like Bush, are after all, only human. Sick and twisted (see the part about the mock human sacrifice to Moloch), but human. (new tab)
 
2007-09-14 12:55:25 AM  
Ok I have a solution, one that should make everyone happy. This will solve all of our problems, no more in fighting, bickering, and low troop numbers.

Ok here it is, everyone who supports the war can sign on up and go to Iraq to back up the brave men and women already there. While the people that never supported the war can stay behind and fight to bring back those troops from a war they see as unjust. Everyone wins except for Iraq.

/DanUFfan, Detroit_Bob make sure to pack extra undies I hear that Iraqi sand gets every where.
 
2007-09-14 12:55:49 AM  
Maybe bush has a new advisor that can justify the surge and withdrawl?

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/I dun lernd this un de ferst grad
 
2007-09-14 12:56:05 AM  
Bush announces 5,700 troops home by Christmas

(sarcasm)
WOO-HOO!!! Dubya is bringing home a whopping 4% of the oil warriors! Best use of the "hero" tag ever! I'll bet his approval rating skyrockets to as high as 3% on this brilliant and gutsy decision!
(end sarcasm)

Never mind that it's probably nothing more than a rotation that was planned many months ago. But I have a feeling we won't be hearing about the lucky dudes who get shipped over there next spring, to replace them.
 
2007-09-14 12:56:05 AM  
TheOther: submitter: Bush announces 5,700 troops home by Christmas

Alive?


You win.
 
2007-09-14 12:56:21 AM  
Hideously Gigantic Smurf: TheAbstractor: A basic question but it really should be asked:

Why are all of you so concerned about whether soldiers are in Iraq or not?

The question is, why AREN'T you, Mr. "Support The Troops"?


Hell, the very fact that you could ASK a question like that just shows that you and people LIKE you do NOT possess the proper mentality to have an asset such as this nation's military at your disposal and that there is no legitimacy whatsoever to your claims of having the best interest of our fighting men and women at heart.

You do NOT support the troops.
You have NEVER supported the troops.
If you did, it would never even OCCUR to you to ask a question like that.

Why are we concerned?
Because someone HAS to be, and it sure as Hell ain't YOU!
 
2007-09-14 12:57:01 AM  
So now fark has a politcal stance on what is accepticle?
Gues I'll get deleted again.
 
2007-09-14 12:57:21 AM  
nowt: Armchair generals.

Yeah, Petraeus DOES suck, doesn't he?

Fun fact: Petraeus isn't supposed to report directly to the White House, but since his superior has differing views on the war and the ADministration's strategery, the White House has willfully usurped the chain of command so as to have Petraeus be as close to a marionette with a bad haircut as possible. Fun!
 
2007-09-14 12:57:24 AM  
TheAbstractor: I can see I'm going to have to break down some things for you here.

Again, why do you care about "wasting troops" when these individual people made a free, conscious decision to go over there? Why do you think you're justified in telling these people what to do with their lives?

How are the paychecks of the military funded?

Taxes, right? That's right. Taxes paid by the American people, which go into the defense fund and part of that fund is used to pay the military. With me so far?

Ok. There's this famous quote that goes sort of like this: "of the people, by the people, for the people." Do you know what that means? The actions the government carries out, INCLUDING USING THE MILITARY IN VARIOUS WAYS, they are carrying out OF the people, BY the people, and FOR the people. That is, supposedly, the basis of all the actions of the government (ahem, and LOL nowdays).

So, if you are still with me, this means that EVERY American citizen has a right to CARE what is done with OUR military. Notice that "our" part? That's right, it's OUR military. We don't own the PEOPLE in it, but in a very strong sense, it belongs to all of us, since the actions are carried out in our names and on our behalf.

No one is telling soldiers, Marines, airmen, or seamen "what to do with their lives." The government is giving them orders to carry out. What people disagree with is how the government is USING the military. Our military. And all of us have every right to voice that disagreement. I'm amazed this has to be spelled out so often to people nowdays.

If anything, it's even more important that private citizens speak up when they disagree with how the military is being used, since the individual troops, by the very nature of their jobs, don't have as much of a voice as a private citizen does.

Hopefully that answered your question of "why do you care?" Because I can, and I do, and I have that right. Why do you NOT care? That's what I find odd---when people don't give a rip about what their government is doing.
 
2007-09-14 12:57:32 AM  
TheAbstractor: whidbey: Again, why do you care about "wasting troops" when these individual people made a free, conscious decision to go over there? Why do you think you're justified in telling these people what to do with their lives?

Addressing a troll:

A military serves its country. That country has a duty to its military to make sure it is taken care of and used as a last resort.
That's why a citizen is justified in expressing his opinion about this country's use of its military.

And as I said earlier, the leading US-supporting sheik in Anbar was killed by a bomb today. Patraeus said this was a grave loss. Fark.
 
2007-09-14 12:58:46 AM  
wowzer97pooh: Addressing a troll:

Oh. Is that why he's all bug-eyed and freaked out?
 
2007-09-14 12:59:38 AM  
I thought we already dealt with the surge

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/I love how the article says Surge is geared towards "thrill-seeking young people: instead of "sheep"
 
2007-09-14 01:00:04 AM  
www.trondheim-filmklubb.no

Sir, does this mean that Ann Margaret isn't coming?
 
2007-09-14 01:00:30 AM  
What a 'Maroon'.
 
2007-09-14 01:01:00 AM  
The_Bouncer: Ok here it is, everyone who supports the war can sign on up and go to Iraq to back up the brave men and women already there. While the people that never supported the war can stay behind and fight to bring back those troops from a war they see as unjust. Everyone wins except for Iraq.

QFT.

I always thought it was interesting that Wolfowitz, Cheney, all the guys who masterminded the war never spent a day in uniform.

/neither have I, for the record.
//then again, I haven't been nation-building recently
 
2007-09-14 01:01:42 AM  
Ouch I just sat on my balls: If a democrat is elected president, you can bet your pansy neo socialist lib ass that we will not get out of Iraq. The only thing the democrats are good at is demagoguery.

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2007-09-14 01:02:21 AM  
Cathedralmaster:
So you don't care what people are doing in your name and in the name of your country


No I don't. Why should I care about the opinion of some foreigner 10,000 miles about a 300 million person population of which I happen to be a part?

As for the "tax dollars", I wrote those off as sunk costs long ago. Nor do I they will go down if there's is a peace-loving Democrat in office.
 
2007-09-14 01:04:41 AM  
/neither have I, for the record.
//then again, I haven't been nation-building recently

I've tried nation building, I just end up with lots of drowned citizens.

/Populous never liked my style.
 
2007-09-14 01:05:49 AM  
Yeh!

So when do all of you want to start demonstrating about getting our troops out of Germany and Japan.

It's been over 50 years, and those are obviously lost causes, especially the Japanese with their odd culture that we will never understand.
 
2007-09-14 01:06:23 AM  
So if we bring 5700 home each Christmas, we'll only be over there another 25 years or so
 
2007-09-14 01:06:41 AM  
acr2001

Hero tag?

Headline with Bush + hero tag = disgraceful


You make me sick.
 
2007-09-14 01:06:56 AM  
TheAbstractor: Why should I care about the opinion of some foreigner 10,000 miles about a 300 million person population of which I happen to be a part?

You should care because a couple years later, he strolling through Manhattan with a nuclear weapon in his briefcase. We've already tried the "fark the Middle East, it doesn't affect us." Remember how that turned out?

www.greatwar.nl
 
2007-09-14 01:07:11 AM  
elPoot:
yell filthy sand attractive and successful African-Americans! as loud as I could before departing. Still care?


someone got pwn3d by the filters tonight..
 
2007-09-14 01:07:41 AM  
I'm all bug eyed and shiat and feeling like,like God. I want to cull the heard and make vid n shiat.
kthxby
 
2007-09-14 01:07:49 AM  
DanUFfan: acr2001: Hero tag?

Headline with Bush + hero tag = disgraceful

Stupid.

TheOther: Alive?

Idiot

Cewley: does that include those coming home in a box?

A-hole

/should be more troops, but its a start
//don't care about your comments towards me



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2007-09-14 01:07:49 AM  
LocalCynic: Dear smitty:

I think what you forgot to mention is that Bush proposed that America maintain a permanent occupation of Iraq. Perpetually. Forever.

But obviously that's all okay because one brigade is coming home due to the end of their troop rotation.


didn't Hillary say she was gonna do the same thing if elected? Oh, I forgot, it's ok if the dems do it.
 
2007-09-14 01:08:13 AM  
I'm hoping SUBBY meant the TROOPS were heroes, not bush.

But if Subby DID mean Bush...

If someone beat the tar outta someone, then realized he made a big "whoops", and took the guy to the hospital, would he be a hero?
 
2007-09-14 01:09:43 AM  
TheOther: submitter: Bush announces 5,700 troops home by Christmas

Alive?


Oh picky, picky, picky.
 
2007-09-14 01:10:29 AM  
atlasdon: Yeh!

So when do all of you want to start demonstrating about getting our troops out of Germany and Japan.

It's been over 50 years, and those are obviously lost causes, especially the Japanese with their odd culture that we will never understand.


Either you like generalizing things to the point of absurdity, or have no actual understanding of history or geopolitics, beyond that of the talking points you regurgitate. Which is it?
 
2007-09-14 01:10:46 AM  
Alyna_jf: I'm hoping SUBBY meant the TROOPS were heroes, not bush.

But if Subby DID mean Bush...

If someone beat the tar outta someone, then realized he made a big "whoops", and took the guy to the hospital, would he be a hero?


If he survives your arabian goggles, yes, then yes he's a hero.
 
2007-09-14 01:10:58 AM  
srtpointman: LocalCynic: Dear smitty:

I think what you forgot to mention is that Bush proposed that America maintain a permanent occupation of Iraq. Perpetually. Forever.

But obviously that's all okay because one brigade is coming home due to the end of their troop rotation.

didn't Hillary say she was gonna do the same thing if elected? Oh, I forgot, it's ok if the dems do it.


Durr, no that's the Republicans. The Democrats want to leave Iraq. We never wanted to go into Iraq in the first place.

/The More You Know
//Obviously you know very little.
 
2007-09-14 01:11:35 AM  
The thread about Bill Bellichek getting caught has 2x as many posts. My question is do people not care, or do people already realize that this is bullshiat?
 
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