cindylu

You should have quit while you were flirting with Tat'd. It was much cuter.

So which is it? Are you happy being a single snob? Or are you just "independent" and misunderstood?

/holy crap, catfight!

Chiggity Chza
Plus being irrational and stubborn helps too. Just make shiat up. I used to do it all the time. Naw, you know better than to listen to me. I am actually nice, right cindylu?


I don't want to blow your cover.

fernt: I'm noticing quite the absence of female rebuttals here.

What's the point of trying to rebut it? The kind of men in here who see women only as grasping, gold-digging cheaters aren't going to do anything but attack any woman who tries to rebut this. Wait and see.

Truth is, there are plenty of men who see the benefits of marriage and who don't think of women as lying, manipulative whores. There are plenty of women who see men as loving, worthy equals with whom it is a joy to share one's life. For such folks, it is a great comfort to have someone who will be there to watch your back, and will even sign a contract swearing to that effect.

Other people don't think the same way, which is fine. However, it's obviously not the happier ones who have a need to biatch about it in an anonymous forum.

cindylu

haha you aren't going to. We all know I am pantywaste and sucker for a pretty face.

Chiggity Chza: Plus being irrational and stubborn helps too

Wait. Now I'm beginning to think you're a chick.

Tallow'nbits
So which is it? Are you happy being a single snob? Or are you just "independent" and misunderstood?

Snob? Not I. Obviously I am misunderstood by you. But you do fall into the biatch category yourself.

/Jealous or envy

Tallow'nbits

I get all my game from my momma, if you really want to know, someone in this thread can vouch for me

ThurmanMerman

What's the point of trying to rebut it? The kind of men in here who see women only as grasping, gold-digging cheaters aren't going to do anything but attack any woman who tries to rebut this. Wait and see.

Truth is, there are plenty of men who see the benefits of marriage and who don't think of women as lying, manipulative whores. There are plenty of women who see men as loving, worthy equals with whom it is a joy to share one's life. For such folks, it is a great comfort to have someone who will be there to watch your back, and will even sign a contract swearing to that effect.

Other people don't think the same way, which is fine. However, it's obviously not the happier ones who have a need to biatch about it in an anonymous forum.


Jeez, are you ever a wet blanket.

Ugh. Marriage. Never bit that bullet, came close many times. I've been in several long term relationships, living with significant others, but marriage never seemed to pan out for me. Call me a commitophobe if you must, bearing in mind I've never cheated in a relationship. I do know that there was once a time when I truly wanted to be married, but now that i'm single and in my thirties, it doesn't seem so thrilling. My parents are catholic, and have a lasting, solid marriage which I admire. I was raised to believe marriage is a sacred institution.

That institution goes to hell in a hand basket in contrast to today's society and almost every other person I know in life. Many of my friends and family have gone through 2-3 miserable failed marriages. They don't seem to learn. As I grow older the whole "institution" thing is looking more and more like a joke.

I've been single, out of a long term relationship for a few years now, and it doesn't bother me. I truly enjoy my self-serving lifestyle. :)

Most of the women I meet my age have either been divorced (sometimes several times over), have kids, or emotional/self esteem issues as a result of one or both. I'm do not degrade them for this. However, at my age, I'm very set in my ways, independent, and feel I have to be a lot more specific about who I choose to be with depending upon these criteria. As a hetero male, I don't see a whole lot of "marriage material" these days, so I can definitely agree with some points in the article.

But, on the other hand, I'm ever the optimist. I'll probably still keep holding on to that dream that i'll find that other person that will allow us to compliment each other until I depart this mortal coil.

Yeah, yeah, I know - i'm an idiot.

Chiggity Chza-Plus being irrational and stubborn helps too. Just make shiat up. I used to do it all the time. Naw, you know better than to listen to me. I am actually nice, right cindylu?

I'm not cindylu, but will answer, yes.

/relating to the article of course

cindylu
MusicMakeMyHeadPound
Nobody likes a smartass :(

And yes, some do like smartasses. I myself am one as well.

Less. Than. Three. Or whatever the kids are saying these days.

That reminds me, I need to add a pic to my profile one of these days...


Tallow'nbits: So which is it? Are you happy being a single snob? Or are you just "independent" and misunderstood?

Uh... Why can't she be both?

Daffydil

haha, it's my headline so I can say whatever I want :-p
Plus the article is about Canadians anyway. They are going to end up just like US Americans. I have considered marriage once to this Greek chick so she could get her visa. Her dad was going to pay like $5k. Which he might have been getting off cheap. But she got back with her ex so...

cindylu
Snob? Not I. Obviously I am misunderstood by you. But you do fall into the biatch category yourself.


Oh snap!

Yes, something is definitely not being understood by one of us.

MusicMakeMyHeadPound

Tallow'nbits: So which is it? Are you happy being a single snob? Or are you just "independent" and misunderstood?

Uh... Why can't she be both?


You're right. Good call.

Chiggity Chza

I get all my game from my momma, if you really want to know, someone in this thread can vouch for me

Wait..wha? You talking to me?

Daffydil
I'm not cindylu, but will answer, yes.

/relating to the article of course


/confused

MusicMakeMyHeadPound

Now, is a good time. Canadians suck at marriage and rearing children. My dad told me to marry for money, not love. The same man that told me about the 4 F's
Find them
Fedd them
fark them
Forget them

/Thanks pop

cindylu

Hey if any of you can vouch for me, it helps. Someone? Anyone?


/Feed them

Tallow'nbits

Oops-- I meant: Men are scum who only want to date supermodels! They deserve to lose everything they own because they don't treat me like the princess I am! I only date men with expensive cars! All men are assholes!


/sorry, forgot where I was posting

MusicMakeMyHeadPound
Uh... Why can't she be both?


That's a good question

Chiggity Chza: Now, is a good time. Canadians suck at marriage and rearing children. My dad told me to marry for money, not love. The same man that told me about the 4 F's
Find them
Fedd them
fark them
Forget them

/Thanks pop

Your pop was a wise man. I would only marry for the delicious cake. And, of course, the open bar. Being able to defile the bridal suite would be a big plus.

I suppose there's a photo opportunity in there somewhere as well.

All in all it's important to keep these things in perspective. ;)

Chiggity Chza
Hey if any of you can vouch for me, it helps. Someone? Anyone?


vouching

ThurmanMerman

Better. Fark is no place for reason.

MusicMakeMyHeadPound

Never mind you're a dude. shiat I am getting so confused in this thread.

cindylu: That's a good question

The way I see it, people don't know what they're missing by being independent and misunderstood like you.

Shine on, you crazy diamond.

To everyone posting http://www.nomarriage.com/:

Any chance you could all link to something that doesn't read like a forum post by a 14-year-old?

I'm not talking specifics here, cuz i haven't read all the posts but in general terms:

i think the women that are saying 'i'm not married and don't want to be' are the ones that can't get a date, can't get laid, or always finish last (mostly because they weigh over 300lbs), or simply are afraid of having to start over.... So you just give up, and chalk it up to the fact that men suck, and then you vow to hate everything with a penis (even dogs). you might even put any male pets in the house up for adoption (or kill your first born son)....After all this, you take a very cynical perspective on marriage and believe that everyone that has found happiness can DIAF. It is, after all, a woman's MO to blame everyone in the relationship except herself.

I feel sorry for your deluded asses.

I think the men that are saying 'i've been there done that, won't go back again' are afraid of being victims in another train wreck. It sucks to have testicles and have a woman crush them with her stiletto heel doesn't it? Especially when its likely you paid for those heels. That's unfortunate. But it's your farkin fault for letting her. No one told you to let her keep your balls in her purse. That's your job, Frances. be a man. Men can be equally as cruel. Women cause hurt on an emotional level, but if you're too much of a nancy boy to take the heat, wtf did you marry her in the first place?

I feel sorry for you cowards.

/not married
//does want to be some day.
///thinks she'll make a good wifey.

MusicMakeMyHeadPound
Shine on, you crazy diamond.

oh man. Now I have water in my nose.

Egalitarian: cthu1hu
I have similar problems.

Are you a boy who might be interested in a girl with similar problems? Circle yes or no.

You mean two depressives in the same space at the same time? I don't know how that would work.

Tallow'nbits: oh man. Now I have water in my nose.

I would strongly suggest some absorbent paper towel before you drown.

/it's okay, happens all the time.

No Expectations: Any opinion on telling if a divorced person is over their ex?

I just broke up with a woman who appeared to be over the ex leaving her, but who after six months of a relationship told me she could never love another man because of him. She spent his birthday and most of the surrounding week thinking about him.

Good thing you broke up with her. I advise you to continue to RUN LIKE HELL and never look back on that one.

Butterflew
I'm not talking specifics here, cuz i haven't read all the posts but in general terms:

i think the women that are saying 'i'm not married and don't want to be' are the ones that can't get a date, can't get laid, or always finish last (mostly because they weigh over 300lbs), or simply are afraid of having to start over.... So you just give up, and chalk it up to the fact that men suck, and then you vow to hate everything with a penis (even dogs). you might even put any male pets in the house up for adoption (or kill your first born son)....After all this, you take a very cynical perspective on marriage and believe that everyone that has found happiness can DIAF. It is, after all, a woman's MO to blame everyone in the relationship except herself.


Not a cynical perspective, just making sure it's right before making that type of commitment. I don't take the marriage thing lightly like some. And if I didn't fess up to my own faults as well in previous relationships, then I guess I would still be there, miserable.

Butterflew gets it.

I make too much money to ever hope to find a woman who has more assets. Sure, there are a few out there but the bulk of women I meet are deeply in CC debt, live paycheck to paycheck, have kids and still expect me to jump hoops for her in order to support her for the rest of her life.

What's love got to do with it?

I'm looking for a committed partner who wants to build a great life, have kids and grow old together. Is that too much to ask?

Butterflew: it's your farkin fault for letting her. No one told you to let her keep your balls in her purse. That's your job, Frances. be a man.

QFT.

Can you come round and give a friend of mine a PEP talk?
He's desperately in need of reclaiming his balls from a hosebeast who's had them for some years now.
Actually a few of my friends. They all need a slap. I swear one of them never reclaimed his balls from an ex when they split up two years ago and she still has them.
It's not right, you shouldn't subsume yourself completely to your partner's will because you're afraid you'll never find someone else to fark. Man up and there'll be lots more females interested.

cindylu:
Not a cynical perspective, just making sure it's right before making that type of commitment. I don't take the marriage thing lightly like some. And if I didn't fess up to my own faults as well in previous relationships, then I guess I would still be there, miserable.

you're right. but that's how its supposed to be. you're supposed to learn from your mistakes, not excuse them. And you're supposed to think thoroughly about this kind of stuff.

so yay for you for having a level head. Seriously.

Marriage seems like less of a necessity when you don't want to have kids. I'm all for the long term relationship aspect though.

However, finding a woman who doesn't want to have kids someday is pretty farking difficult.

Gothnet: Butterflew: it's your farkin fault for letting her. No one told you to let her keep your balls in her purse. That's your job, Frances. be a man.

QFT.

Can you come round and give a friend of mine a PEP talk?
He's desperately in need of reclaiming his balls from a hosebeast who's had them for some years now.
Actually a few of my friends. They all need a slap. I swear one of them never reclaimed his balls from an ex when they split up two years ago and she still has them.
It's not right, you shouldn't subsume yourself completely to your partner's will because you're afraid you'll never find someone else to fark. Man up and there'll be lots more females interested.

I can give you a perfect example.

I used to work for Bose Corp. (Speakers, home theater etc). I can't tell you how many times I had a customer ready to spend 10,000 on a new revamp for his entertainment (important also) and at the last minute there comes his plastic trophy wife and says "no. you are not allowed to spend that much money on what you want, because we have a fitting at David Yurman for that ring you said you'd buy me...maybe for christmas" I'd stare at these women in disbelief as they're weighed down by shopping bags after shopping bags, and the poor husband (who makes all the money in that relationship) didn't have a damn thing for himself.

You guys need to take control of your money, man. Don't let these crazy whores bleed you dry before the divorce.


(on the other side i also know of some kept men scenarios. also not pleasant. but when working in home theater, i typically saw more kept wives)

I'm 35, no kids, never married, and all my married buddies envy the hell out of me.

Strangest thing I witness about my married friends: The ones who are the most pu$$y-whipped never get any pu$$y. Go figure.

netweavr: Women did this to themselves.

Men and women, and the judicial system did this to themselves.

If your marriage crumbles, you have no one to blame but the two of you. Don't go blaming "all women" or "all men". Wash your own f*cking dirty laundry.

fernt: I said, "No, I have to work at my job - when I come home I want to relax and play, not listen to your crap all night. Please leave."

THIS, WINNAR, QFT, etc.
If you have to work at a relationship then it's already falling apart at the seams. People don't change, and you're going to get bored with your partner eventually. Monogamy is an illusion.

djZorbof: Marriage seems like less of a necessity when you don't want to have kids. I'm all for the long term relationship aspect though.

However, finding a woman who doesn't want to have kids someday is pretty farking difficult.

I don't want kids. Too much of a burden emotionally and financially. I love them but I really don't see a benefit to them. (Of course I would after I had one, but I don't think I will).

I used to work for theme parks around Orlando.. I'd see family after fighting family in familial misery wandering round the parks. I remember the chaos in my own family. Nah, could do without it.

Fark marriage: it's an outdated ritual that started as means of displaying and trading wealth. Spare me the whole "it's about love and commitment" crap...

You can be in a perfectly functioning relationship w/out a ring and Elvis standing infront of you in Vegas...

I dunno, I plan on never getting married BUT then again, I want to get laid for the rest of my life so it makes sense.

/as for this whole women don't need men anymore, bullshiat
//unless you're a lesbian, men are handy for many things
///sex
////killing roaches
////did I meantion the sex?

geminilaser: fernt: I said, "No, I have to work at my job - when I come home I want to relax and play, not listen to your crap all night. Please leave."

THIS, WINNAR, QFT, etc.
If you have to work at a relationship then it's already falling apart at the seams. People don't change, and you're going to get bored with your partner eventually. Monogamy is an illusion.

No see, men and women spend too much time trying to change each other and not enough time understanding.

this is where problems come up.

geminilaser: fernt: I said, "No, I have to work at my job - when I come home I want to relax and play, not listen to your crap all night. Please leave."

THIS, WINNAR, QFT, etc.
If you have to work at a relationship then it's already falling apart at the seams. People don't change, and you're going to get bored with your partner eventually. Monogamy is an illusion.

EVERY relationship worth having requires work in order to be healthy.

Have you even had a healthy relationship longer than a couple of years? If you are completely selfish and function under the delusion that a good relationship will perpetual happiness and rainbows requiring no self-sacrifice or commitment, then OF COURSE monogamy is an illusion.

Cerebral Ballsy: djZorbof: Marriage seems like less of a necessity when you don't want to have kids. I'm all for the long term relationship aspect though.

However, finding a woman who doesn't want to have kids someday is pretty farking difficult.

I don't want kids. Too much of a burden emotionally and financially. I love them but I really don't see a benefit to them. (Of course I would after I had one, but I don't think I will).

I'm the same way. I actually love kids but I feel like bringing them into a world with a bleak future isn't fair to them. Plus I have a few genes that I would prefer died with me.

I wouldn't want kids unless I could provide the optimal genes and environment for them to pursue any dream that they may have.

Butterflew:No see, men and women spend too much time trying to change each other and not enough time understanding.

this is where problems come up.



Wrong!! Understanding is for pussies!!
I kid, but seriously, I'm extremely jaded and I believe in almost nothing. There's no getting through to me.


/single.....can you tell????

Amazing how man farkettes came into this damn thread.

Chiggity Chza: Amazing how man farkettes came into this damn thread.

That's why you're here. You can smell vajayjay over the internets, huh?

renae1221:
I dunno, I plan on never getting married BUT then again,; I want to get laid for the rest of my life so it makes sense not to.

/as for this whole women don't need men anymore, bullshiat
//unless you're a lesbian, men are handy for many things
///sex
////killing roaches
////did I meantion the sex?


FTFY:)

Tat'dGreaser: I can slap ya around if you want? Of course I'm too nice so I'll apologize afterwards.

I wish I could be an asshole. I'd probably have a girlfriend for more then 3 months.

Being an asshole will probably get you laid, but it won't get you any sort of meaningful relationship.

Now that I think about it, my reasons for not wanting kids are pretty unselfish. Aren't they?