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2007-09-11 04:26:40 PM
toonz: check TODAY'S threads.

Ummm.. okay....

Blink: Being a diehard Colts fan, I've actually become a bit numb to Belichick's (and the Patriots) rather extensive habit of rule-bending.

I mean, we were knocked out of the play-offs as their defenders illegally man-handled our receivers. It's a rule, they can't do it -- yet the refs didn't call it and now many fans (NE, mostly) think the only reason the rule is now enforced is because Bill Polian whined or something.


And that was about it.

Soooo.....

toonz: A Colts fans are is still whining about the refs Belichick when the pats WON the playoff games. Pats win, blame refs. That's all you guys do, then you expect RESPECT from us when you win. whatever.

FTFY

/Never expected respect from a Boston sports fan.
//That would show some class.
///Would never expect that.
 
2007-09-11 04:40:55 PM
robsul82: San Diegoans...San Diegans...San Diegoans to bring "Patriots: 1*-0" signs en masse.

Lol. I should bring my "Winningest Franchise In The History Of Sports*" and "26**" and "81-62***" signs to Yankees Stadium next time I go.

/*Real Madrid
//**Jeffrey Maier
///***Jason Giambi
 
2007-09-11 04:54:16 PM
robsul82
Yeah, I didn't understand the times in your post.

I know I read Simmons much earlier in the day than 5:40 (left work at 5:30), and I don't know what 'update' means in terms of colums. He's not posting an article at noon and then changing a few paragraphs a few hours later. The column is posted and that's it... maybe an editor caught some punctuation error and fixed, but once the column is in it is generally done with.

Anyway, you are saying that the ESPN article on the spying was out at 12:01, which precedes my reading of the column, so I don't know what the story is. Maybe you are right.

Let me ask you this, though: Don't you think Simmons would jump on the chance to comment on the issue in his column if he could? Or, if he didn't want to comment on spying until more information got out, why would he want to post a woo-hoo giddy Pats fluff column when he knew later in the afternoon folks would be hearing about the allegations?
 
2007-09-11 05:12:49 PM
"I hate Simmons. I read him every week and I hate him."

=

"The food in this restaurant sucks. And the portions are too small"
 
2007-09-11 05:15:01 PM
I have a feeling that a very large portion of the viewers are going to be rooting for the Chargers on Sunday night. All this Patriots love is getting quite sickening.

The Chargers are the far superior team - on paper, which of course means absolutely nothing (see: January 07). I will be interested to see how the offense performs against a much weaker defense this week.
 
2007-09-11 05:16:58 PM
Kornchex: The Chargers are the far superior team - on paper

what do you base this on?
 
2007-09-11 05:21:50 PM
A massacre?

The Colts beat the Saints (Last years #1 offense) 41-10 and held them to ZERO offensive touchdowns. In fact, the only TD the saints got was by Jason David who played for the Colts last year.

THAT'S a massacre.
 
2007-09-11 05:25:17 PM
Have we had enough "Patriots hate" threads yet today?
 
2007-09-11 05:35:56 PM
robsul82: San Diegans

This

/Not bad for a bunch of whale vaginas
 
2007-09-11 05:37:24 PM
priestrape: what do you base this on?

The Chargers are (on paper) better at Running Back, Offensive Line, Tight End, Linebackers, Defensive Line. The Pats are better (on paper) at Quarter Back, Wide Receivers, Secondary. Neither team is chopped liver at any of the "less superior" positions.

This means roughly as much as holding your breath and seeing if the blue your face turns is more Patriots colored or Chargers colored.
 
2007-09-11 05:38:28 PM
FlyingPig: Have we had enough "Patriots hate" threads yet today?

I don't hate the Pats. I have a lot of respect for them.

/I hate most Boston Sports Fans as they are typically the whinniest bunch of whinners in all of sports.
//Only thing whinnier than a Sox fan when they are losing is a Sox fan when they are winning.
///Whinners.
 
2007-09-11 05:40:25 PM
priestrape: Kornchex: The Chargers are the far superior team - on paper

what do you base this on?


Remember, you are talking to a Chargers fan, they don't exactly pay attention to sports all of the time, but only when their teams are performing well.

Charger fan == Wally?
 
2007-09-11 05:44:15 PM
Poop_Master_Flex: Remember, you are talking to a Chargers fan, they don't exactly pay attention to sports all of the time, but only when their teams are performing well.

I don't think you'll find too many people from San Diego who feel the need to apologize for you know, having lives, outside of sports fandom.
 
2007-09-11 05:49:21 PM
chechcal: Poop_Master_Flex: Remember, you are talking to a Chargers fan, they don't exactly pay attention to sports all of the time, but only when their teams are performing well.

I don't think you'll find too many people from San Diego who feel the need to apologize for you know, having lives, outside of sports fandom.


If I lived in San Diego, I'd spend a lot more time away from the TV and the sports pages than I do now, too!

On the "Which team is better front," I can certainly buy into an argument that the Chargers are "better." My reaction was to "the Chargers are FAR SUPERIOR"...I don't see that
 
2007-09-11 05:50:45 PM
FlyingPig:

Have we had enough "Patriots hate" threads yet today?

We can never have enough. Hasn't Fark taught you anything?

/Patriots hate threads
//Teachers banging students threads
///Stupid Floridians threads
////Welcome to Fark
 
2007-09-11 05:58:27 PM
Today? It's looking pretty damned good. I thought this e-mail from Steve in Amherst summed everything up: "My favorite moment happened after Moss caught that amazing TD pass, after all the players were mobbing him in the end zone, Brady walked up to him. The two of them just stood there in the end zone for a second looking at each other, smiling. Then they hugged and ran off the field. I don't think either could have been happier. This is a special team, and I can't wait for more."

Me neither. In fact, I think I'll call my dad at work just to hear him cackle maniacally again.



My favorite moment....

Updated: September 11, 2007, 5:44 PM ET

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell has determined that the New England Patriots violated league rules Sunday when they videotaped defensive signals by the New York Jets' coaches, league sources have told ESPN's Chris Mortensen.

NFL security officials confiscated a camera and videotape from Patriots video assistant Matt Estrella on the New England sidelines when it was suspected he was recording the Jets' defensive signals. Sources say the visual evidence confirmed the suspicion.

Goodell is considering severe sanctions, including the possibility of docking the Patriots "multiple draft picks" because it is the competitive violation in the wake of a stern warning to all teams since he became commissioner, the sources said. The Patriots have been suspected in previous incidents.

The Patriots will be allowed an opportunity to present their case by Friday, sources said, most likely via the telephone.

The league also was reviewing a possible violation into the number of radio frequencies the Patriots were using during Sunday's game, sources said. The team did not have a satisfactory explanation when asked about possible irregularities in its communication setup during the game.

Goodell is expected to have a decision no later than Friday but that is not set in stone.

The league refused comment but did confirm Monday that they were reviewing a possible violation by the Patriots.


What ya say now, Bill? Ask your old man if he wants to cackle now.
 
2007-09-11 06:28:22 PM
I hope the entire Patriots team goes down with both ACL's torn, coaches and staff too.
 
2007-09-11 06:36:44 PM
Hey everybody, it's a new season so Poop_master_flex is back. The Steelers are 1-0 after all!

The Chargers are (on paper) better at Running Back, Offensive Line, Tight End, Linebackers, Defensive Line. The Pats are better (on paper) at Quarter Back, Wide Receivers, Secondary. Neither team is chopped liver at any of the "less superior" positions.

So, 5 out of 8 then? I'd wager that being better at both lines will have a lot to do with this game. The Pats are also without 2 of the better defensive players, are they not?

I'd think that if they can get to Brady quickly, they win. If they can't, they'll lose. Don't forget how bad Tommy looked in the win out here earlier in the year.

Either way it should be a great game. I know that LT and Rivers are downplaying it (as they should - even if they win they still got rolled in the playoffs) but you can tell they want to win this game badly.
 
2007-09-11 06:43:01 PM
The Patriots are better than the Chargers on D-line. Just came in here to day that.
 
2007-09-11 06:51:34 PM
tdpatriots12: The Patriots are better than the Chargers on D-line. Just came in here to day that.

Scouts, Inc. ranked the Chargers as better (
Link), and with Seymour out for 5 more weeks, I think the Chargers are definitively better at Dline.
 
2007-09-11 06:55:44 PM
barneyfifesbullet:
My favorite moment....

Updated: September 11, 2007, 5:44 PM ET

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell has determined that the New England Patriots violated league rules Sunday when they videotaped defensive signals by the New York Jets' coaches, league sources have told ESPN's Chris Mortensen.


THIS

this.. sniffle.. is beautiful..
 
2007-09-11 06:56:36 PM
Ack, ignore that link I pasted, it's from back in january.
 
2007-09-11 07:07:28 PM
Kornchex

I'm back? I've never left where I am for, at least, the last 31 years. Steelers? Give me a break, read the profile.

I just think its pretty silly when people compare two teams on paper. Until SD proves otherwise, the Pats are the better team. chechcal said it best.
 
2007-09-11 07:09:38 PM
Blaming Simmons for being an ill-informed jerkoff knob-gobbler is like blaming a lion for killing and eating a gazelle. Boston sports fans are easily the least liked fans in the country, and it doesn't even matter what sport you're talking about. Their behavior at any venue, be it in a stadium, in a bar, or over the internets is usually reprehensible at best, and the decent ones are far, far, FAR, outnumbered by the degenerate losers.


It's simply his culture. He knows no other way. I mean, Simmons is more annoying than Luke Perry on the later seasons of 90210, and about as knowledgeable on sports as the Olsen Twins on the early seasons of full house (me and my buddies J-Hench and PillBug used to count down the days until they turned 18), but you gotta think about it like you were Ralph Macchio in the original Karate Kid, and went to that costume dance dressed as a shower and had a young, nubile Elizabeth Shue in there with you. There's just no other way, and I believe that Jimmy Kimmel would back me up here. Clearly, Boston fans are the worst.
 
2007-09-11 07:14:16 PM
If I had "NFL Team Owner Money" - I'd buy the Patriots. What followed would be an epic destruction of an NFL franchise.

I'd release all the starters.

I'd fire all the coaches and trainers.

I'd appoint the long snapper to be the player-coach.

There would never be another forward pass play called.

I'd jack up ticket prices to $2,500 a pop.

I'd shut down all concessions in the stadium.

Parking lots wouldn't open until 5 minutes before kick-off.

During the following year's draft, I'd trade all picks away for future draft picks (and do that same thing year after year).

As players became to old/tired/injured/whatever to want to play for me, I wouldn't field replacements.

The final 11 guys would play iron man football.

If the Pats ever won the coin toss, I'd immediately forfeit.

I'd suspend all license and endorsement deals for the team that were in my power to kill.

I'd never sell.

The NFL would have to sue me to get the franchise turned over, or they would have to kill it outright and start another.

And I would never give them rights to the Patriots name.
 
2007-09-11 07:28:42 PM
Moses To Sandy Koufax: Blaming Simmons for being an ill-informed jerkoff knob-gobbler is like blaming a lion for killing and eating a gazelle. Boston sports fans are easily the least liked fans in the country, and it doesn't even matter what sport you're talking about. Their behavior at any venue, be it in a stadium, in a bar, or over the internets is usually reprehensible at best, and the decent ones are far, far, FAR, outnumbered by the degenerate losers.


It's simply his culture. He knows no other way. I mean, Simmons is more annoying than Luke Perry on the later seasons of 90210, and about as knowledgeable on sports as the Olsen Twins on the early seasons of full house (me and my buddies J-Hench and PillBug used to count down the days until they turned 18), but you gotta think about it like you were Ralph Macchio in the original Karate Kid, and went to that costume dance dressed as a shower and had a young, nubile Elizabeth Shue in there with you. There's just no other way, and I believe that Jimmy Kimmel would back me up here. Clearly, Boston fans are the worst.


Lollercaust extending into forever.
 
2007-09-11 07:31:23 PM
Something happened last Fall...October time, work was getting busy, less time to goof off. I noticed that I couldn't sit through a whole Simmons' column and would just jump down to the Sports Gal's Rants and picks.

She's funny, always delivers a nice paragraph or two and kicks his ass picking games. Nice.
Anyone got some photos for the thread?
 
2007-09-11 07:54:28 PM
Moses To Sandy Koufax: Blaming Simmons for being an ill-informed jerkoff knob-gobbler is like blaming a lion for killing and eating a gazelle. Boston sports fans are easily the least liked fans in the country, and it doesn't even matter what sport you're talking about. Their behavior at any venue, be it in a stadium, in a bar, or over the internets is usually reprehensible at best, and the decent ones are far, far, FAR, outnumbered by the degenerate losers.


It's simply his culture. He knows no other way. I mean, Simmons is more annoying than Luke Perry on the later seasons of 90210, and about as knowledgeable on sports as the Olsen Twins on the early seasons of full house (me and my buddies J-Hench and PillBug used to count down the days until they turned 18), but you gotta think about it like you were Ralph Macchio in the original Karate Kid, and went to that costume dance dressed as a shower and had a young, nubile Elizabeth Shue in there with you. There's just no other way, and I believe that Jimmy Kimmel would back me up here. Clearly, Boston fans are the worst.


In the words of Jim Rome, Phenomenal!
 
2007-09-11 08:01:16 PM
Poop_Master_Flex

Doh! Denver. My bad. Just giving you crap man. I'm trying to retaliate for you calling me out after the Ravens beat the Chargers last year!

The Patriots are better than the Chargers on D-line. Just came in here to day that.

You are nuts. Just came in here to say that.
 
2007-09-11 08:30:44 PM
Moses To Sandy Koufax:

You, Sir, are a poet.
 
2007-09-11 08:48:56 PM
I hope I didn't just hear someone say that the Chargers beating the Bears was a "thrashing". The Chargers won because Cedric Benson and Adrian Peterson can't hold on to the ball, and because their punter screwed up a punt. Heck, even the LT rushing TD was because the FB Neal held and then injured for the year the Bears FS Mike Brown.

I'm not saying the Chargers didn't win, but it was not a "thrashing". It was a close game. Rex Grossman isn't the Bears biggest problem. Their trading away of Thomas Jones was their biggest mistake.
 
2007-09-11 09:08:45 PM
Actually, Bill Simmons isn't that bad as a theorist. He comes up with good ideas, but usually, he's just letting Tom Brady rape him in the pooper...

I hate Boston...
 
2007-09-11 09:18:15 PM
Well, this certainly is shameful that the Pats cheated. I can't imagine why they would try to do this against the Jets.

If the Pats end up 8-8 this year, after losing whatever advantage they got from this cheating, it'll taint there past successes.
 
2007-09-11 09:20:33 PM
If you don't like his columns, then don't read them. For a community that hates Bill Simmons, you guys sure have a habit of posting every column he writes.
 
2007-09-11 09:26:06 PM
Moses To Sandy Koufax: It's simply his culture. He knows no other way. I mean, Simmons is more annoying than Luke Perry on the later seasons of 90210, and about as knowledgeable on sports as the Olsen Twins on the early seasons of full house (me and my buddies J-Hench and PillBug used to count down the days until they turned 18), but you gotta think about it like you were Ralph Macchio in the original Karate Kid, and went to that costume dance dressed as a shower and had a young, nubile Elizabeth Shue in there with you. There's just no other way, and I believe that Jimmy Kimmel would back me up here. Clearly, Boston fans are the worst.

Can I add anything? I don't even think I can. (Even if I do like Simmons.) That's funny as hell.
 
2007-09-11 09:51:45 PM
If you don't like his columns, then don't read them. For a community that hates Bill Simmons, you guys sure have a habit of posting every column he writes.

Exactly. Apparently everyone here thinks his columns are boring, but some rant by Moses to Sandy Koufax attempting to inject some of the pop culture references that Simmons uses into a pointless paragraph is deemed 'phenomenal'.

Simmons is a homer. He writes too much about basketball. He's still a very good writer and about the only thing worth reading on Page 2 (except TMQ). I'll admit that he has gone downhill in the past couple years, in that a great part of his genius was his 'frustrated Boston fan' persona. He probably plateaud about the time the Pats won their first Super Bowl, and has gone downhill since the Sox won the series.

Boston fans are used to having their teams lose, and the die-hard nature of pre-Sox 2004 and pre-2001 Patriots were part of our charm. Now that both teams are good and have won recent championships, Boston fans can't acclimatize themselves to supporting winners. Its like if you take a Boston guy and make him pronounce his R's, it just doesn't sound right.

BTW, if you truly polled the country, you'd probably see that New York and Philly fans have as bad, if not worse reputations than Boston fans.
 
2007-09-11 10:22:43 PM
Debeo Summa Credo: If you don't like his columns, then don't read them. For a community that hates Bill Simmons, you guys sure have a habit of posting every column he writes.

Exactly. Apparently everyone here thinks his columns are boring, but some rant by Moses to Sandy Koufax attempting to inject some of the pop culture references that Simmons uses into a pointless paragraph is deemed 'phenomenal'.


In our defense, he hardly writes columns anymore. Podcasts? Sure. Online Chats? Plenty of those. Mailbags? Check. Throw out a few token paragraphs for ESPN the Magazine? Yeah. Diarys? Every now and then. Full Columns? Hardly ever these days.

I used to really enjoy his writing, but now I'll read the first few paragraphs on the rare occasion that he does write a full column, just to see if its anything good, but lately that is a rarity.

Simmons is a homer. He writes too much about basketball. He's still a very good writer and about the only thing worth reading on Page 2 (except TMQ). I'll admit that he has gone downhill in the past couple years, in that a great part of his genius was his 'frustrated Boston fan' persona. He probably plateaud about the time the Pats won their first Super Bowl, and has gone downhill since the Sox won the series.

I can agree with most of that... except the part about his "genius" Most people outside of Boston didn't find it particulary entertaining.

Boston fans are used to having their teams lose, and the die-hard nature of pre-Sox 2004 and pre-2001 Patriots were part of our charm. Now that both teams are good and have won recent championships, Boston fans can't acclimatize themselves to supporting winners. Its like if you take a Boston guy and make him pronounce his R's, it just doesn't sound right.

Again... I think you greatly overestimate the appeal of your "charm" to those of us outside of the Boston area. When a team from Boston falls on hard times, if you listened to most Boston fans, you'd think that no other team ever had a bad run. But they are even worse when they are winning. To hear them tell it, you'd think that no other team in history (except maybe past Boston teams) could possibly compare.

BTW, if you truly polled the country, you'd probably see that New York and Philly fans have as bad, if not worse reputations than Boston fans.

If you're talking about fans being a-holes in general, then I can agree with that statement, but if you are just talking about loud-mouthed, irritating, obnoxious fans, I think you'll find that Boston wins. You, Sir, seem to be one of the rare exceptions and I hope you realize that these comments weren't directed at you specifically, but just the loud majority of Boston fans.
 
2007-09-12 12:20:59 AM
ExcessNeckSkin
Do you own the Cubs?
 
2007-09-12 12:22:09 AM
hmmurdock: I think you greatly overestimate the appeal of your "charm" to those of us outside of the Boston area. When a team from Boston falls on hard times, if you listened to most Boston fans, you'd think that no other team ever had a bad run. But they are even worse when they are winning. To hear them tell it, you'd think that no other team in history (except maybe past Boston teams) could possibly compare.

Pretty much.
It doesn't help when ESPN is in New England.
 
2007-09-12 01:18:43 AM
I'm not saying the Chargers didn't win, but it was not a "thrashing". It was a close game.

It was a closer game than it could have been. The missed offsides call saved you 7.

I'd agree that letting TJ go was a huge mistake though. Just don't forget that the Chargers defense partially responsible.
 
2007-09-12 12:12:38 PM
From article: And then, the season starts and the team doesn't look like a juggernaut. But "Patriots 38, Jets 14" was one of those times when the potential juggernaut actually looked more unstoppable than it had on paper.


1st. It was the Jets
2nd. Colts won 41-10
3rd. It was the Jets

Fail.
 
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