So then all those hippies arrested for not having paid taxes on marijuana-related products during Bonnaroo should be absolved of all wrongdoings?

/ha, yeah. riiiight.

Al Capone was a twat

pandabear: If you recall, Al Capone went to jail for not paying taxes on income gleaned from criminal enterprise. I don't see this as all that much different.

Especially the moonshine part. If you got a Federal license and paid the taxes, it isn't criminal to sell liquor; the whole reason for moonshining is tax evasion.

Actually they convicted him on not paying taxes on the $ he was able to put on the books. So he wasn't paying taxes properly on laundered $

Well, if you're getting the stamp anon... I mean, short of trailing you (assuming you're smart enough to send someone else in for you so you don't get vidcamm'd), you're not 'self incriminating'.

Unless they're using posession of the stamp as evidence that you're dealing drugs. In which case, yes, that's incrimination.

Oh man. Laws make my head hurt.

Enuratique: So then all those hippies arrested for not having paid taxes on marijuana-related products during Bonnaroo should be absolved of all wrongdoings?

/ha, yeah. riiiight.

Tobacco accessories, dude. Tobacco accessories.

And taxpayer money is paying people to think this shiat up?

Who's cat? Ah, right; we already went through that once today.

Prostitutes in Tennessee can now all breathe easy.

/not that kind of crack? My bad.

Free crack to 18 y/o girls call me at 555-crak

Subby is suggesting Michael Moore does crack?

CRAP - Who's = Whose

Going home now. Bye Farkers!

This isn't the first time it's been ruled unconstitutional. This is about the third time it's happened, but the prosecutors and state said they still will collect taxes while they fight and appeal.

Tort law fighting brought to you DRUG DEALER PROFITS.

/is it that obvious...
//2 cheers for a unique answer to dope profits.

Approves:

pandabear: If you recall, Al Capone went to jail for not paying taxes on income gleaned from criminal enterprise. I don't see this as all that much different.

Especially the moonshine part. If you got a Federal license and paid the taxes, it isn't criminal to sell liquor; the whole reason for moonshining is tax evasion.

If you recall accurately, the whole reason for moonshining was prohibition, not tax evasion.

Epsilon
subby is suggesting michael moore is in the possession of more crack than most people.

pandabear: If you recall, Al Capone went to jail for not paying taxes on income gleaned from criminal enterprise. I don't see this as all that much different.

kindms: Actually they convicted him on not paying taxes on the $ he was able to put on the books. So he wasn't paying taxes properly on laundered $

Also, the IRS was able to prove specific amounts of income that Capone hadn't paid taxes on because they had his own books, which had perfectly recorded detail. The Tennessee law jumps through a few hoops to make "taxable income" - first, possession of over a certain amount of drugs is presumed to be dealing, which is presumed to be done for profit, and then they have to presume a certain income based on the captured (unsold) drugs. That's a near impossible leap of logic. You'll notice the feds aren't doing it, just the dumbass state.

Plumbers breathe a sigh of relief.

I think this is all kinds of awesome. I want to go back to TN just so I can obtain one of these stamps! Hmm.... I am road tripping FL to CA in a few weeks.

Ya think ol'dilbert was gonna fark it after he shot it?

they can't tax it if they don't know you have it.

FarkinFarker: pandabear: If you recall, Al Capone went to jail for not paying taxes on income gleaned from criminal enterprise. I don't see this as all that much different.

Especially the moonshine part. If you got a Federal license and paid the taxes, it isn't criminal to sell liquor; the whole reason for moonshining is tax evasion.

If you recall accurately, the whole reason for moonshining was prohibition, not tax evasion.

I'm told by the locals here in NC that there isn't a county in the state that doesn't have someone making their own moonshine. My reply is simply "Why? You have liquor stores all over the place and your setup costs more time and money than it would to just head on over to the ABC and pick up a bottle. With a myriad of choices too"

I guess it's the "tax" thing. I dunno. I ain't drinking that shiat.

So crack is illegal....and selling crack is illegal....but they want you to pay a tax on it? Does this make ANY sense to anyone?
So as a drug dealer I would drive around holding onto these "crack tax stamps" without a worry in the world? (about tax evasion anyway)
Talk about the man keeping you down...They even want to tax your illegal activities to get the $$ in their pocket.

FarkinFarker: pandabear: If you recall, Al Capone went to jail for not paying taxes on income gleaned from criminal enterprise. I don't see this as all that much different.

Especially the moonshine part. If you got a Federal license and paid the taxes, it isn't criminal to sell liquor; the whole reason for moonshining is tax evasion.

If you recall accurately, the whole reason for moonshining was prohibition, not tax evasion. Someone making moonshine in today's world, without proper licensing, is evading taxes on their product. FTW

FTFY

If you get caught doing any of these things, they're gonna conficate all of your property anyway. They're just trying to get some of the money up front.

The IRS can currently tax any income that you have, regardless if the legality of the source. If they go in and see that you had $100,000 added to your account (and assuming you cannot conclusively show that it came from non-taxable sources), then they can tax it even if they cannot prove that you actually comitted a crime to earn it.

Meh. Moonshine can be good if you know how to make it. My grandpa made some stuff that would make baby Jesus cry it was so good.

Kinda like people that make their own wine...or own one of these:

Confiscate even.

Inibrius: Meh. Moonshine can be good if you know how to make it. My grandpa made some stuff that would make baby Jesus cry it was so good.

Kinda like people that make their own wine...or own one of these:

Mr. Beer is a horrible piece of crap that makes people think homebrews are teh suxor.

bdunny: So crack is illegal....and selling crack is illegal....but they want you to pay a tax on it? Does this make ANY sense to anyone?
So as a drug dealer I would drive around holding onto these "crack tax stamps" without a worry in the world? (about tax evasion anyway)
Talk about the man keeping you down...They even want to tax your illegal activities to get the $$ in their pocket.

How is that any differences when the court punishes someone by requiring them to pay "$xxx in fines" in addition to their other judicial penalties ?

FarkinFarker: If you recall accurately, the whole reason for moonshining was prohibition, not tax evasion.

Moonshine existed before prohibition. It probably started the day after the Whisky Rebellion.

FarkinFarker: If you recall accurately, the whole reason for moonshining was prohibition, not tax evasion.

Actually, moonshining was around way before prohibition. In fact, it got started because the government tried to tax whiskey. Also, I'm pretty sure to this day you can't legally have a still, no how, no way.

we_hates: FarkinFarker: If you recall accurately, the whole reason for moonshining was prohibition, not tax evasion.

Actually, moonshining was around way before prohibition. In fact, it got started because the government tried to tax whiskey. Also, I'm pretty sure to this day you can't legally have a still, no how, no way.

You can distill ethanol for fuel purposes, but you're required to denature it. Denaure is more or less a fancy way of saying "poison."

If they're not going to make them anymore, then those "crack stamps" might become valuable to collectors.

/different addiction
//same waste of money

Okay, let me correct myself here. The whole reason for moonshine during the Capone years was prohibition.

According to the noted anchorman Kent Brockman (formerly Kenny Brockelstein), the name of the offense is 'tax avoision'. Please make a note of this.

Nightstar_x1: The IRS can currently tax any income that you have, regardless if the legality of the source. If they go in and see that you had $100,000 added to your account (and assuming you cannot conclusively show that it came from non-taxable sources), then they can tax it even if they cannot prove that you actually comitted a crime to earn it.

And that's why there are offshore and foreign bank accounts. Silly, you don't put your drug money in a US bank where every deposit over $10000 requires and IRS form.

/not a drug runner

fanbladesaresharp: Nightstar_x1: The IRS can currently tax any income that you have, regardless if the legality of the source. If they go in and see that you had $100,000 added to your account (and assuming you cannot conclusively show that it came from non-taxable sources), then they can tax it even if they cannot prove that you actually comitted a crime to earn it.

And that's why there are offshore and foreign bank accounts. Silly, you don't put your drug money in a US bank where every deposit over $10000 requires and IRS form.

/not a drug runner

Keep that quiet. As I will hopefully be a tax attorney in October (when the bar results come out), How am I supposed to bill out at some outrageous fee to tell people this if people know it already.

/unless I get a job with the IRS, then I would just like a list of who you told

What's next, requiring bank robbers to pay income tax on their ill-gotten gains? Having hitmen pay sales tax on the rates they charge for their services?

And really, if you're already breaking laws like those against the distribution of illegal substances, why would you bother to comply with tax law? It's not like you're not already facing jail time if you get caught.

The federal government had the same thing with marijuana, Im not sure if it was ever repealed.
I have seen a couple of these stamps on TV, basic generic red and whit stamp

we_hates: FarkinFarker: If you recall accurately, the whole reason for moonshining was prohibition, not tax evasion.

Actually, moonshining was around way before prohibition. In fact, it got started because the government tried to tax whiskey. Also, I'm pretty sure to this day you can't legally have a still, no how, no way.

Cletus and his sister disagree: *pop*
w/ picture goodness, nice...

This whole tax deal is so the US gov can fark you big time. You get convicted of murder, you go to jail. You get convicted of selling weed, you go to jail AND they seize all your assets. Anyone else see something wrong here? Why don't they seize murderer's assets?

merreborn: What's next, requiring bank robbers to pay income tax on their ill-gotten gains? Having hitmen pay sales tax on the rates they charge for their services?

And really, if you're already breaking laws like those against the distribution of illegal substances, why would you bother to comply with tax law? It's not like you're not already facing jail time if you get caught.

Because it's a "sin" tax. Since they believe it already (insert immoral activity here) to be heinous, they feel it's perfectly moral to levy whatever taxes and fees on it. Their collective conscience told them so.

That, and it'll trip up the dumber ones of the drug trade.

defects: This whole tax deal is so the US gov can fark you big time. You get convicted of murder, you go to jail. You get convicted of selling weed, you go to jail AND they seize all your assets. Anyone else see something wrong here? Why don't they seize murderer's assets?

Well, they just might if the murderer benefited financially by doing so.

FTA:

the law violates a defendant's right to self-incrimination.

That made me laugh.

The Texas stamp looks like a Grateful Dead poster.



They revived that kind of artwork for Joint Terrorism Task Force patches.