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2007-09-04 09:59:26 PM
Supporters say Brooklyn's new sixth through 12th grade school should not be controversial. Students will follow the same curriculum that every other school in the city uses, except that classes in Arabic language and culture will be mandatory.

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as those who oppose the school fear it will spread radical Islam.


Yeah, because my mandatory Latin in 6th grade turned me into a Roman, and my mandatory French the following year saw my conversion into a French person, followed by my conversion into a Nazi the following year after taking German. I don't even want to think about high school.

Jesus these people are retards.
 
2007-09-04 10:04:39 PM
Action Replay Nick: Jesus these people are retards.

Mark my words. A few days from now, as soon as O'Reily or Limbaugh get ahold of this story ("and so the LIBERALS are trying to FORCE your CHILDREN to CONVERT to ISLAM and DENOUNCE CHRISTIANITY!") we'll see scores of protesters outside the school with signs like "THIS IS AMURICA" and "STOP TURRISM NOW" and throwing bibles at the kids.

In other words, what you said.
 
2007-09-04 10:06:07 PM
Action Replay Nick:
Jesus these people are retards.


Complete retards at that. I can see why someone wouldn't like this school, simply because I think it's a dumb idea to have a 100% non-english speaking PUBLIC school. Seems like it'd be MUCH more expensive than, say, having a few teachers who can speak both languages working at an english-speaking school, so they can help those with difficulty. Instead, it's just enforcing the idea that you don't have to speak English in the U.S., and I have a hard time believing all of their students will embrace our language nearly as much as if they went to a normal public school and dove straight in.

/diving in is the best way to learn a language
 
2007-09-04 10:08:33 PM
Trinilos
simply because I think it's a dumb idea to have a 100% non-english speaking PUBLIC school

I don't know if you're kidding or not, so I'll just relate this:

It's not an all-arabic school, it's a school where an arabic language and culture course is mandatory.
 
2007-09-04 10:09:30 PM
The article says its a Muslim school, but then states that it will have the exact same curriculum as other schools but require students to learn Arabic. If its just a public school that teaches Arabic, then no problem. If its an actual public school teaching the Koran, then there is a problem.
 
2007-09-04 10:38:20 PM
All right, you wanted vouchers and school choice.

Here you go. Inshallah, this will work out for you.
 
2007-09-04 10:44:59 PM
I think an Arabic language immersion school is a great idea, just as good an idea as a Spanish-language immersion school. (And any language immersion program includes culture in its curriculum.) Fact is, for peace or for war, this nation needs more people who can speak Arabic. We need those speakers in the State Department, in the FBI, in the CIA, in the military, and in business. It is a farking crime that the Bush administration hasn't been pushing for something like this at the national level. Kids who were in 9th grade on Sept. 11, 2001 are now juniors in college, and they have not been given any special encouragement to learn Arabic or other Asian languages.

In comparison, during WWII the need for Japanese language skills was recognized. Consider this memorial to an educator (pops) who instructed USN officers in Japanese during WWII:


Florence Walne Farquhar, 1895-1946

In the death on October 14, 1946, of Florence Walne Farquhar, Associate Professor of Japanese, the University of California lost the services of a distinguished leader in the field of Japanese studies and the nation, a devoted servant who sacrificed her life for her country in just as real a way as though she had been a soldier on the field of battle.

Florence Walne was born on August 19, 1895, at Arima, Japan, of a profoundly Christian family, the daughter of Ernest Nathan Walne and Claudia McCann Walne, missionaries to the Japanese. After graduation from Georgetown College, Kentucky, in 1916, she rejoined her family in Japan and for many years actively participated in the educational work of her father, as a teacher of English and editor.

She returned to this country in 1931 and for four years served as Assistant Director of the International House, Berkeley. In the execution of her duties in that position she manifested her rich knowledge of Oriental life and her sympathetic understanding of the problems faced by both students from Asia and by American students of Japanese extraction among whom she made numberless friends.
― [2] ―

A deep urge to do her part in building academic studies in the field of Japanese on a lasting foundation led her to undertake graduate work at Harvard University. In 1935 she received the degree of Master of Arts from Radcliffe College and in the same year she joined the Department of Oriental Languages as Lecturer in Japanese. She became Instructor in 1937, Assistant Professor in 1941, and Associate Professor in 1945. With great energy and perseverance Mrs. Farquhar labored not only to enlarge and systematize the University's offerings in the field, but also to broaden the public's understanding of the problems the nation faced in relation to Japan and other countries of the Pacific. Her perfect command of the vernacular, coupled with her patience and fact, enabled her to exercise a steadying and constructive influence on the life and activities of Japanese groups at the University and in the community at large.

Mrs. Farquhar's research studies toward the doctor's degree in Japanese literature, a field to which she wanted to devote her major efforts, were interrupted in the fall of 1941 when she answered the Navy Department's call for the organization of a Japanese Language School at Berkeley to be founded simultaneously with other schools projected elsewhere. In a few months the outstanding qualities of the Berkeley school under her directorship became so apparent that the entire Navy instruction program in Japanese was concentrated in her hands.
― [3] ―

In the words of Captain A. E. Hindmarsh, in charge of the Navy's program of language training, "she alone among the University teachers of Japanese in the summer of 1941, recognized the urgency, the practicability and the feasibility of doing the kind of job which eventually was done so well and to the tremendous advantage of the United States' effort in the Pacific Area."


In June, 1942, the evacuation of Japanese from the Pacific Coast necessitated the transfer of the School to the University of Colorado at Boulder. The number of students increased rapidly with the demands of the service and at one time in 1943 the size of the School reached an unprecedented figure of 125 teachers and 600 students. Also in 1943, courses in Russian, Mandarin, Amoy, Foochow, Cantonese, and Malay were added and the School was renamed the Navy School of Oriental Languages. Up to the time of its transfer to Washington in June, 1946, the School graduated over 1,000 Naval officers in these languages. From the very beginning of the program until September, 1944, when Mrs. Farquhar resigned because of ill health, she had carried the major portion of the administrative problems involved in maintaining the standards of instruction and the procurement and training of teachers who eventually included one hundred Chinese, Malay, and Russian instructors as well as the peak faculty of one hundred and twenty-five Japanese teachers. Many of the latter were selected by Mrs. Farquhar by visiting in person relocation camp areas.
― [4] ―

At the University of Colorado, Mrs. Farquhar held the position of Associate Professor and Director of the Japanese School and was advanced to the rank of full Professor in 1943.

With unswerving devotion Florence Walne Farquhar worked literally night and day to make the School a success. The weight of administrative duties did not prevent her, however, from taking unfailing interest in the personal life and problems of the staff and the students of the School. This interest extended to their subsequent careers as language officers and their postwar plans for scholastic or government careers. Her correspondence contains countless expressions of heartfelt appreciation on the part of her students for her understanding, guidance and encouragement to carry on in an undertaking of signal difficulty. A letter of commendation, signed by James Forrestal, Secretary of the Navy, noted the fact that the Navy School of Oriental Languages owed so much since its inception in September, 1941, to her "unfailing loyalty, energy and understanding," recognized her great contribution as, "the first civilian director of a school which has done so much for the war effort in training highly qualified language officers" and extended the Navy's congratulations on "a job well done."


(Only the parts in bold will be on the exam, kids.)
 
2007-09-04 11:00:10 PM
5000_gallons_of_toothpaste: If its an actual public school teaching the Koran, then there is a problem.

It's not. If it were, I'd be right there with you, as I would be if it was mandating a Bible-study class.

How much do you want to bet that the same people who will protest this also support the Texas Board Of Ed's idea to mandate Bible-study classes in its public schools?
 
2007-09-04 11:00:19 PM
5000_gallons_of_toothpaste: he article says its a Muslim school, but then states that it will have the exact same curriculum as other schools but require students to learn Arabic. If its just a public school that teaches Arabic, then no problem. If its an actual public school teaching the Koran, then there is a problem.

I was trying t understand the same thing. Is this an Arabic speaking school, a Muslim school, or are the two somehow synonymous?
 
2007-09-04 11:04:12 PM
It's not a Muslim school but the stupid hicks at ABC call it that in the headline, and in their comments section they invite readers to share their thoughts about a "Muslim school." Idiots.
 
2007-09-04 11:06:46 PM
FTFA: New York City has dozens of other dual-language schools that teach Spanish, French, Mandarin Chinese and Haitian Creole. None of them has generated even a fraction of the controversy that this Arabic school has.

I didn't see anything in the article saying this would be a "Muslim" school. The school is called Khalil Gibran International Academy. Wasn't Gibran a Lebanese Christian?
 
2007-09-04 11:11:22 PM
To be fair, the "intifada" shirts didn't make
the cause any more popular.
 
2007-09-04 11:13:59 PM
The school also has ESL teachers^.

Also this from their web portal^:

The school will require that all students take Arabic as a second language to fulfill the Arabic Regents requirements.

Those little facts aren't going to douse the flame war that will ensue when this hit the main page.
 
2007-09-04 11:19:34 PM
MacEnvy: Texas Board Of Ed's

You mean one (1) board member's
Fabricated controversy (new window)

Spanish is mandatory in Jr. high (7th IIRC)in TX. I've never heard of dual language schools in the states, but it seems alot of competitive foriegn countries have similiar things. This is probably good.
 
2007-09-04 11:28:29 PM
If they have the numbers, so be it. I'm also fine with all-Yiddish or all-Hebrew speaking schools too.
 
2007-09-04 11:32:49 PM
Addendum: As long as they have standardized, mandatory tests proving the children can speak English as well as they do in English speaking schools.

That is, v3ri b4dly nd in A0L sp54k. Lolz. Watz up?
 
2007-09-05 12:02:14 AM
أنا أذهب أن يحصل بعض الفشار. هذا خيط سنّ اللولب ينبغي أن يكون سلّيت.
 
2007-09-05 12:03:03 AM
Tatsuma: If they have the numbers, so be it. I'm also fine with all-Yiddish or all-Hebrew speaking schools too.

Slowly, now. IT. IS. NOT. ALL. ARABIC. LANGUAGE. Get it?


Although you do redeem yourself by not caring.
 
2007-09-05 12:10:51 AM
the_cnidarian: Fabricated controversy (new window)

Wow, you chose Answers In Genesis to prove your point? Interesting.
 
2007-09-05 12:39:58 AM
Preemptive *facepalm*.

I reserve the right to redeem "Preemptive *facepalm*" at any point in this thread, for reasons including but not limited to: ACLU is the suxorz; xenophobia; failure to RTFA; "glass parking lot"; the_gospel_of_thomas's alts; unrelated antisemitism because someone will bring up j00s, who are we kidding?; it's Wednesday; no longer acceptable to hate coloreds in public; cab driver spoke better English than me; failure to RTFT; the letter "G"; they gave dem towelheads footbaths in Michigan; appeasement of Hitler; cross-eyed Muslim d00d; Iranians speak or are Arabic; the quadratic equation; all I needed to know about Islam I learned on 9/11; small dick syndrome leading to violent condemnation of people I'll never interact with; and other *facepalm* worthy non-sequiturs.
 
2007-09-05 01:16:12 AM
Jon Snow: Preemptive *facepalm*.

I reserve the right to redeem "Preemptive *facepalm*" at any point in this thread, for reasons including but not limited to: ACLU is the suxorz; xenophobia; failure to RTFA; "glass parking lot"; the_gospel_of_thomas's alts; unrelated antisemitism because someone will bring up j00s, who are we kidding?; it's Wednesday; no longer acceptable to hate coloreds in public; cab driver spoke better English than me; failure to RTFT; the letter "G"; they gave dem towelheads footbaths in Michigan; appeasement of Hitler; cross-eyed Muslim d00d; Iranians speak or are Arabic; the quadratic equation; all I needed to know about Islam I learned on 9/11; small dick syndrome leading to violent condemnation of people I'll never interact with; and other *facepalm* worthy non-sequiturs.


www.creativetheatre.org
 
2007-09-05 02:05:49 AM
Can someone email me the final tally of commenters who took the submitter's "New York City opens the nation's first all-Arabic speaking public school" headline at face value and didn't read the article? Great, thanks.
 
2007-09-05 04:00:36 AM
Jon Snow: Preemptive *facepalm*.

I reserve the right to redeem "Preemptive *facepalm*" at any point in this thread, for reasons including but not limited to: ACLU is the suxorz; xenophobia; failure to RTFA; "glass parking lot"; the_gospel_of_thomas's alts; unrelated antisemitism because someone will bring up j00s, who are we kidding?; it's Wednesday; no longer acceptable to hate coloreds in public; cab driver spoke better English than me; failure to RTFT; the letter "G"; they gave dem towelheads footbaths in Michigan; appeasement of Hitler; cross-eyed Muslim d00d; Iranians speak or are Arabic; the quadratic equation; all I needed to know about Islam I learned on 9/11; small dick syndrome leading to violent condemnation of people I'll never interact with; and other *facepalm* worthy non-sequiturs.


I like how you slipped the quadratic equation in there.

upload.wikimedia.org

I think this is a decent idea considering the massive size of NYC, but honestly, the second-language-mandatory thing is dumb. People should be taught programming languages in school, not foreign languages.

Also, religion studies classes simply shouldn't be in a public school, period. Religion can get covered in a World History class. That's where it belongs. When you're covering the history of India, talking about Hinduism is fine. When you're covering the history of Persia/Iran, talking about Islam is fine. A class devoted solely to religion is ridiculous. Even if its mere existence somehow doesn't avoid crossing the line of church/state separation, the teaching of it almost certainly will.
 
2007-09-05 04:00:57 AM
metaljesusrocks.com
 
2007-09-05 04:01:38 AM
This is pretty cool. I love language immersion programs and I'm happy to see public funds going towards teaching American children other languages. Wish they had options like this when I was in school. I'll just have to stick with my rusty French.
 
2007-09-05 04:09:57 AM
fly plane into it.
 
2007-09-05 04:10:02 AM
لا أرى ان هناك ما فعلتموه
 
2007-09-05 04:11:50 AM
Actually this may work out well in the anti-smoking, anti-drinking, anti-drugs, pro-coffee drinking MF's that live in NY now.

NY Uber-Alles...

/Friend of an ex-NYer that will not move back.
 
2007-09-05 04:14:24 AM
Khalil Gibran was not a Muslim...in fact he is considered Christian.

P.S. Language is not Religion

www.dcmemorials.com
 
2007-09-05 04:14:49 AM
'Multiculturalism' is a stinking pile of fail.

Not to mention, how many of you morons gushing over this to realize that you are supporting a MUSLIM (not simply 'Arab') public school? RTFA, idiots.
 
2007-09-05 04:23:56 AM
The article contradicts itself: it lists the school as a "Muslim" school, but the article also quotes a parent as saying all the normal classes are taken except for a Arabic languague class and a middle eastern culture class. That is not the same as a "Muslim School".

A Muslim School would not have received public funding.
 
2007-09-05 04:29:36 AM
Ubuntu2K7: metaljesusrocks.com

*Right click, Save Image As*

Honestly, I see this as a good thing. Want to understand why your enemies hate you? Learn about them. You might be surprised.
 
2007-09-05 04:29:50 AM
Detroit_Bob: 'Multiculturalism' is a stinking pile of fail.

Not to mention, how many of you morons gushing over this to realize that you are supporting a MUSLIM (not simply 'Arab') public school? RTFA, idiots.


Bob I know the job market is bad in Detroit, but i love that city. America's Lost Jewel in my opinion. Are there still all the empty Victorian Crack Houses downtown?

The Book/Cadillac
Greektown Rocks
 
2007-09-05 04:33:04 AM
Detroit_Bob;
I suggest you RTFA. It clearly states (in the article, not the misleading headline) that this IS an Arabic school, not Muslim.
 
2007-09-05 04:33:28 AM
New York City has dozens of other dual-language schools that teach Spanish, French, Mandarin Chinese and Haitian Creole.

No speakers of which crashed jets into the WTC, attacked the US Cole. etc. etc. and more etc. The only good thing that could come out of this school would be potential CIA recruits. We really need to get spies deep into the Arab world. It is to be hoped that the CIA will have ways of vetting these kids for possible future employment.
 
2007-09-05 04:33:41 AM
Not to mention, how many of you morons gushing over this to realize that you are supporting a MUSLIM (not simply 'Arab') public school? RTFA, idiots.

No, it is simply an Arab school. Don't believe whoever wrote what you read is any smarter than you, or you might look like an idiot.
 
2007-09-05 04:42:46 AM
No speakers of which crashed jets into the WTC, attacked the US Cole. etc. etc. and more etc.

No, they just come into our country illegally, wreck our spy planes, and force us to send troops to their country. Because we all know the language you speak dictates your actions... Retard.
 
2007-09-05 04:43:08 AM
I wish I learned something a bit more useful than Latin in school.

If I had an Arabic class, I might be making mad money translating the "drink your Ovaltine" into English.
 
2007-09-05 04:44:34 AM
radioman_: New York City has dozens of other dual-language schools that teach Spanish, French, Mandarin Chinese and Haitian Creole.

No speakers of which crashed jets into the WTC, attacked the US Cole. etc. etc. and more etc. The only good thing that could come out of this school would be potential CIA recruits. We really need to get spies deep into the Arab world. It is to be hoped that the CIA will have ways of vetting these kids for possible future employment.



And everyone who speaks Spanish Itallian is a fascist, right?

You farking moron.
 
2007-09-05 04:45:12 AM
Spanish Itallian being spoken in a country I just now made up.

I'm a farking moron, too!
 
2007-09-05 04:51:41 AM
spaten: Bob I know the job market is bad in Detroit, but i love that city. America's Lost Jewel in my opinion. Are there still all the empty Victorian Crack Houses downtown?

fark yes there are! And more than just Indian Village. They always make for fine sight seeing, but go armed. Seriously. I was walking the Dequindire Cut the other week, and things would have ended poorly for me if I wasn't carrying.

Folks seem to forget that Detroit (before the rise of Gross Pointe and the burbs) used to be one of the richest cities around, and rich folks like their big houses. Damned shame what has become of them, though believe it or not, there is a move to renovate them. (By the gays, of course. Is there anything they can't turn nice?)
 
2007-09-05 04:51:59 AM
radioman_: No speakers of which crashed jets into the WTC, attacked the US Cole. etc. etc. and more etc.

Am I correct in understanding that you oppose this school because a tiny number of people who happened to speak Arabic did some bad things, and thus anything related to the Arabic language is bad?

According to Encart, over 422 million people speak Arabic worldwide. 341 million people speak English. There are 20% more people who speak Arabic in the world than English.

Let's be generous and say that there've been 500 people who speak Arabic and have committed the acts you mentioned, or similar ones (acts of terrorism) in the United States or on US territory (embassies, etc.). That means that 0.000118483% of the Arabic speaking population has committed such acts. That is an incredibly trivial number, and hardly enough to justify even considering opposing this school for that reason.

Let's go even further, and assume that there are 100,000 people who speak Arabic and who are actively working to cause harm to the United States. Even that is less than three-one-hundredths of a percent of the total number of Arabic speakers in the world. Again, this should not even trigger the "Hmm, we should consider being slightly nervous about this issue." response.

If we were concerned about the language that "bad guys" speak, we'd probably first concern ourselves with stopping English-speaking criminals, as they are responsible for the vast majority of crimes like murder, rape, arson, and other serious crimes in the United States every year. Sure, it might not be as dramatic as knocking down a major building in New York, but more than 20,000 homicides are committed every year in the United States, which is what, 4x the number of people killed on 9/11 (assuming 5k people perished in the attacks)?

The United States is in a remarkably isolated region of the world -- it borders on two countries: Canada and Mexico, and the former has a very similar historical, cultural, and linguistic background to the US. Many European countries border a large number of other countries, and welcome a diversity of languages, cultures, and traditions across national borders.

Having schools that offer a strong program for foreign language and culture is a good thing, and should be welcomed. If, for whatever reason, you oppose such a school, at least pick a different reason than "they're teaching a language that was spoken by a few people who did bad things to the US."
 
2007-09-05 05:00:23 AM
Brooklyn, is that, like, on New York's Westbank?
 
2007-09-05 05:04:27 AM
radioman_: New York City has dozens of other dual-language schools that teach Spanish, French, Mandarin Chinese and Haitian Creole.

No speakers of which crashed jets into the WTC, attacked the US Cole. etc. etc. and more etc. The only good thing that could come out of this school would be potential CIA recruits. We really need to get spies deep into the Arab world. It is to be hoped that the CIA will have ways of vetting these kids for possible future employment.


Good god, that's one of the stupidest things I've read on Fark, and that's really saying something.
Mind you, as part of my Japanese language course requirement, we all had to tie a white band around our head, climb into a Zero, and launch a suicidal attack on an American warship, you know, just so as we could master the language.
Not many of us passed that course.
 
2007-09-05 05:06:14 AM
No Catchy Nickname: Good god, that's one of the stupidest things I've read on Fark, and that's really saying something.
Mind you, as part of my Japanese language course requirement, we all had to tie a white band around our head, climb into a Zero, and launch a suicidal attack on an American warship, you know, just so as we could master the language.
Not many of us passed that course.


I'm in Germany at the moment, and I can't even get down the street because of all the Nazis driving around in their panzers, the constant dive-bombing by the kids flying around in their Stukas. If only they'd teach these people English, all of this would instantly stop! I think I've just been shot.
 
2007-09-05 05:21:52 AM
dave420
I'm in Germany at the moment, and I can't even get down the street because of all the Nazis driving around in their panzers, the constant dive-bombing by the kids flying around in their Stukas. If only they'd teach these people English, all of this would instantly stop! I think I've just been shot.

Well if you think that's bad, what about the time I went to Spain? There I was, lying on the beach, trying to get a tan, when the locals come over and start inquisiting me. Didn't expect that at all.
So I run off, and jump on a boat thinking I would go for a pleasure cruise somewhere. Only it turns out I was on this ship that was part of some fancy Armada or something setting out to conquer England.
I tell you, we need to send some English teachers over there pronto...
 
2007-09-05 05:26:54 AM
There is a concern about supporting a Muslim school (or any public school promoting religion). Saudi Arabia, to try to buy domestic tranquility for their medieval government, offered the radical Islamists the control of the education of their kids. Which was in part the cause of these kids stepping up to the plate when it came time to fly a plane into the WTC--almost all the crew that did this were Saudis, as is of course Mr. BinLaden.
Teaching Arabic in schools is just common sense (though Chinese might be more useful now). But the protestations of the NYC Vice Mayor that promoting radical Islam in the new school is "'Not gonna happen, not gonna happen, not gonna happen, and that is just totally ridiculous," is naive, in view of the fact that the original designee as principal of the school condoned the use of the term Intifada on T-shirts.
 
2007-09-05 05:30:41 AM
Muhammed jihad, durka durka! Bakka lakka dakka!
 
2007-09-05 05:32:42 AM
Detroit_Bob: spaten: Bob I know the job market is bad in Detroit, but i love that city. America's Lost Jewel in my opinion. Are there still all the empty Victorian Crack Houses downtown?

fark yes there are! And more than just Indian Village. They always make for fine sight seeing, but go armed. Seriously. I was walking the Dequindire Cut the other week, and things would have ended poorly for me if I wasn't carrying.

Folks seem to forget that Detroit (before the rise of Gross Pointe and the burbs) used to be one of the richest cities around, and rich folks like their big houses. Damned shame what has become of them, though believe it or not, there is a move to renovate them. (By the gays, of course. Is there anything they can't turn nice?)


If there is a Detroit preservation society let me know. I am armed. Anyway, background, I grew up in the Rust Belt, N Ohio, It's a travesty the decay that went on there and Cleveland and Buffalo and Pittsburgh for that matter.

fark man I work out in the desert, now. Don't let the fuc..s turn it into NY or Chicago. Detroit and Cleveland don't need farks complaining about smoking and fatty foods. Just because the neo-yuppies can't get a latte.

Cheers.
 
2007-09-05 05:46:38 AM
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/just to keep the free speech thing going in this thread
 
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