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(Newsday)   Replacing one giant pile of suck with another, Whoopi defends Vick during her first day on The View   (newsday.com) divider line 355
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2007-09-05 12:43:50 AM
Great. Now we know she's ugly on the inside, too.
 
2007-09-05 12:43:51 AM
All I can say is this: I was born here in deep South, I've lived my entire 38 years here in the south;

DOGFIGHTING IS NOT ACCEPTED PRACTICE HERE!

Never has been! People who fight dogs are thought of as trash and scum here! Yes, people are known to fight roosters, though personally I think it's stupid and cruel to them. But chickens are food! Dogs are kind and loving. They give companionship and comfort, and when raised with love, are more loyal that most people you will meet in your lifetime. A dog is born with the instinct to look up to a pack leader. To take that need and beat them, and twist them into mad animals is something only a loser who hates himself would do. Either that or a sociopath.

It's been my personal experience that dogfighting seems to be most common amongst people who are into the "Gangsta" lifestyle. It seems to be some kind of status symbol for them to have a mean dog for some reason. This appears to lead towards the slow acceptance of fighting their dogs against each other as a legitimate pastime. Blacks AND whites! It's is not just a "black" thing! I know of no tradition of blacks torturing dogs for sport, and to imply that it's always been OK is just farking stupid!

I have also found that people who are impressed by dogfighting are usually the sort of guys who needed their asses kicked on a daily basis by their fathers when they were little! Only they are also usually the guys who didn't even know their fathers.
Which is probably part of the problem.
 
2007-09-05 12:45:38 AM
PrinceofFark

Her entire premise was based on a foundation of fail from the time she wrongly stated she knew where Vick was from.
 
2007-09-05 12:45:42 AM
Party-sized bucket of flan: Great. Now we know she's ugly on the inside, too.

See, now THAT is funny!
Take note kids.
Learn from a master!
 
2007-09-05 12:46:28 AM
bitteroldman

Jesus dude. I put "correct me if I'm wrong" and then in the slashies put that I might be wrong, no need to attack my 'stereotyping' for suggesting that Virginia was culturally in line with other southern states.

As for my needing a map, I'll go ahead and reiterate the notion of "the south" as a cultural designation rather than just a geographical one. For instance, Florida isn't part of "the south" in most people's minds as the culture there is... different.
 
2007-09-05 12:46:45 AM
Brubold: Yeah and she also tried to play it off as happening because he was from "the deep South" which as others have pointed out is completely false. She also said it was acceptable behavior down here which is also completely false. Want proof? It's against the freakin law!

Actually, no. She tries to attribute a possible cause to his actions. At not one point does she says it's okay. And a dogfighting ring was broken up in Baltimore a few years ago, horses were being abused, and various other animal mistreatments. Your anecdotal evidence of what happens in half the country is irrelevant. Dogfighting is illegal because it does happen and as one Newport News-er pointed out, it's happened there. Therefore, it is acceptable behavior to some people to mistreat animals. She didn't say it was legal. Pay more attention to the clip, next time.
 
2007-09-05 12:48:43 AM
Ubuntu2K7: Looks like malum2k7 got himself a new login.
 
2007-09-05 12:51:01 AM
Just seems like a good time to remind everyone: Whoopi Goldberg has an Oscar. ...For "Ghost."

Put that up next to Sylvester Stallone's Oscar and Eminem's Oscar, and it makes me ask: Why is anyone excited to get that statuette anymore? And why does anyone lose sleep over being "snubbed"?
 
2007-09-05 12:57:08 AM
Servo1969: t's been my personal experience that dogfighting seems to be most common amongst people who are into the "Gangsta" lifestyle. It seems to be some kind of status symbol for them to have a mean dog for some reason. This appears to lead towards the slow acceptance of fighting their dogs against each other as a legitimate pastime. Blacks AND whites! It's is not just a "black" thing! I know of no tradition of blacks torturing dogs for sport, and to imply that it's always been OK is just farking stupid!

I have also found that people who are impressed by dogfighting are usually the sort of guys who needed their asses kicked on a daily basis by their fathers when they were little! Only they are also usually the guys who didn't even know their fathers.
Which is probably part of the problem.


Only the farkers in this thread attribute her comments to race because she certainly didn't mention it. And even if it isn't accepted in any standard way, there are people who find this okay. She certainly could've been wrong about the south thing (though she never says south only). But, he is from the south where it was happening and being used to gamble. So, someone thought this was okay behavior or it wouldn't have been profitable.
 
2007-09-05 12:58:11 AM
technicolor-misfit: That's a crock. It's an attempt to distribute his guilt to his culture to diminish his own individual culpability...

I think it's exceedingly clear that she's not doing this at all. All she's doing is trying to offer a theory of where this behavior comes from. Everybody else present understood this--not at first, but at the end they were agreeing and offering supporting analogies. People seem intent on taking this and twisting it into the worst possible interpretation. There isn't a single word in this entire segment that suggests she supported Vick or condoned dogfighting in any circumstance whatsoever.
 
2007-09-05 01:04:43 AM
underbridge: bitteroldman

Jesus dude. I put "correct me if I'm wrong" and then in the slashies put that I might be wrong, no need to attack my 'stereotyping' for suggesting that Virginia was culturally in line with other southern states.

As for my needing a map, I'll go ahead and reiterate the notion of "the south" as a cultural designation rather than just a geographical one. For instance, Florida isn't part of "the south" in most people's minds as the culture there is... different.


Sorry, dude, but you DID stereotype just like her. The "South" as you put it is as different as the "West" or the "East".
There are backwards parts of Florida and backwards parts of New York. Parts of New England are completely redneck.
As I stated, the biggest dog fighting farms I have ever seen are in California where this arrogant biatch lives.
You just can't segregate out one section of our nation and point your finger at it. I have traveled all over the US and beyond and racism and hate are universal as are stupidity.
Its this the civilized man must fight against and point out when ever it raises its head.
If you haven't traveled then don't put your preconceived notions on innocent people.
Vick is the dirty criminal and Whoopie is the Racist. Not the South or the Deep South.
 
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2007-09-05 01:04:52 AM
durwood: Okay, parts of Virginia are the South. Northern VA, around DC, doesn't really count. Newport News/Hampton Roads area in general (where I grew up) is such a mix of people from lots of places it's not particularly Southern compared to other places. I'm not sure if any of VA could be called the Deep South. Either way, I'm pretty sure I didn't see much dogfighting as part of my indigenous culture growing up in the Hampton Roads area in VA. Course, I'm white. Is this a race thing? Nope--I think it's just a stupid thing.

This. I have family in Newport News, and my grandmother was born and died there. This is the first I've heard of dogfighting being part of the culture there.

Just Whoopi opening her annoying pie-hole again.
 
2007-09-05 01:11:11 AM
Torc 2007-09-05 12:58:11 AM
Wow.
What's it like to be a brainless tool?
 
2007-09-05 01:15:53 AM
Am I the only person that noticed that Whoopi never mentioned race but everybody seems to be so stuck on adding race to discussion? Not just on Fark but a lot of other message boards I've been on today.

What she said was a bit off but I think a lot of people are over reacting. I don't think she meant that everybody in the south is fighting dogs. I've lived in the North and the South and I've noticed it more so up north. It depends on the communities you live in. Unless you live in the same neighborhood as Vick growing up it would be hard to say if it's a part of their "culture" or not.
 
2007-09-05 01:16:13 AM
Seamer: In fact, the most reactive part was when Whoopi acknowledged the Asian delicacy of Lassie and Garfield.

I have no problem with people eating dogs and cats. I'm the typical American, I eat beef, bacon, lamb, etc, all which have to come from living creatures. So if people from other countries want to eat Fido, Mittens, and whale meat, fine with me.

I draw the line at torturing animals. If you're going to kill animals for meat, do it fast and (hopefully) painless to the creature. But torturing animals by forcing them to fight? No.



fark from home
The only way I would ever watch the view is if Chuck Norris came out dressed in all black and beat each of those hens with a crowbar, then handcuffed them to their chairs and stuck a concussion grenade in each of their mouths and taped them in place. Then I would like Chuck to put fishing line through the loops in the pins of the gernades so he could pull them at once from a safe distance. Then have the audience who is being held at gunpoint by their irate husbands count down from 10 then have Chuck Norris pull the pins and watch their fat idiotic heads assplode in a thunderous clap of poetic justice.


I admit, I LOLed at this. You win one (1) Internet and one (1) chocolate chip cookie.
 
2007-09-05 01:16:30 AM
Ron_Mexico: it's not like Vick butt-farked an eight-year-old.

If he did, people like Whoopie (and before you go Al Sharpton, I mean farking dipshiat apologists of ANY color) would try to find any way they could to defend him. Probably say "oh, well Marcus Vick had sex with a minor, so why can't his bigger brother?! It's a cultural thing!"
 
2007-09-05 01:18:54 AM
Torc: All she's doing is trying to offer a theory of where this behavior comes from. [...] People seem intent on taking this and twisting it into the worst possible interpretation. There isn't a single word in this entire segment that suggests she supported Vick or condoned dogfighting in any circumstance whatsoever.

Exactly. The vast majority of posters in this thread are trampling all over each other racing to the Most Outraged finish line so they can feel good about their own (tattered and inconsistent) morality.

Whoopi made no moral judgments nor did she say Vick shouldn't face punishment. Only if by "not wanting to hang Vick up by his thumbs = defense" could Whoopi really be considered taking his side. Attempting to understand the mindset of a criminal isn't defending him.
 
2007-09-05 01:19:56 AM
Dear Whoopie,

Dogfighting is not common or acceptable practice here. We are ashamed that Michael Vick is associated with us.

Love,

The South

/From my experience: Virginia is south of the Mason-Dixon line, but they kept asking me what it's like in the South whenever I opened my mouth, so I don't think they consider themselves Southern.
//"Deep south" is rural Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, etc. Rural being the key word. Not a whole lot to do with latitude. From my experience.
 
2007-09-05 01:20:33 AM
PrinceofFark: What she does say is that this type of thing is more common down South. That does not mean its right, and she states this, simply that he "may" have been raised in a culture where it happens more, and isn't viewed as something awful, like it is in many other areas.

If I tried to go on TV defending some meth addicted white trash piece of sh*t, and said "well maybe his culture/background makes this LESS bad", I'd be deservedly mocked. I'm sorry that you don't like how some people have taken this out of context... frankly, people do not need to, because what she said was COMPLETELY IGNORANT.
I mean, I'm sure she knows all about the "south". Heck, she apparently thinks that a major metro area in eastern Virginia is the same as the "south". What a farking retarded biatch.
 
2007-09-05 01:23:51 AM
TofuTheAlmighty: Attempting to understand the mindset of a criminal isn't defending him.
Why is she doing it? Moreover, why is she doing it WEEKS after it was a story? She couldn't comment beforehand, or did she not get enough coverage? Oh, I'm sure Babawa Wawa wanted her to be like Rosie (controversial), so hey, let's just bring up the Vick case.

What Whoopie DID do was prove, on national television, that she really does not have any idea about what she's talking about. She's speculating, based on NO FARKING INFORMATION and NO KNOWLEDGE OF GEOGRAPHY and NO KNOWLEDGE OF SOUTHERN CULTURE.
 
2007-09-05 01:24:01 AM
Wow I get to toss Woopie onto the pile of African Americans who have come out to defend the indefendable this month, hell this is better than watching the trainwreck that is O.J.!

Comming soon: Lynching's VS. Car-Jackings as acceptable cultural heritage!

Oh and just because I think celebrity African Americans have lost thier farking minds all of a sudden....

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Peace! Now you biatches all go back to evolving and cut this shiite out now! It stopped being funny after Vick bribed the NAACP for thier support, oh whats that? Yea go follow the money or STFU.
 
2007-09-05 01:25:16 AM
JaneDough: everybody seems to be so stuck on adding race to discussion
Seriously, do you have to ask why race might be mentioned?
 
2007-09-05 01:28:10 AM
DayeOfJustice: And Weaver if your attack on someone's ideology is to proclaim that maybe they should be okay with racism, you really should stop talking.

Actually, you ignored his point to comment on the racial nature of his comment. He said nothing about being okay with racism, I mean, anymore than Whoopie said everyone should be okay with dog fighting.
 
2007-09-05 01:32:23 AM
the biggest redneck here: In fact, if you weren't from there and someone dropped you off on a random city street you wouldn't know the difference unless you asked where you were.

Well, I assume you'd have more of a fighting chance getting out of Newport News than DC or Baltimore, if you were on foot. Maybe I'm wrong though, I'll admit I don't know if the rate of murder is decent in NN.
 
2007-09-05 01:34:30 AM
Incetardis: Are you a fan of Michael Vick? You wanna help Michael Vick? Get some counseling for Michael Vick! Introduce him to some boxing! Hide his bookies! But don't pretend that the man is a hero!... And stop the damn hypocrisy! Act like you've got some goddamn sense, people! Damn! I'm through playing around here!

+1 for the Boondocks kid (Cept I can't).

Only other comment I have on this issue is that I love that people are donating replicas of Vick's jersey to dog shelters to clean up shiat with.
 
2007-09-05 01:35:16 AM
I come into this argument with quite the bias.
First, I love dogs.
There is no purer love than that which a dog expresses.
Second, I love animals. From the smallest ant to the grandest Polar Bear, I love animals. The fact that they are tasty even adds to the love.
Third, I hate arrogant idiots who tease or mistreat animals. If an animal must die (or a human) then make it quick! Do not relish in it.
Third, I hate people who defend people who mistreat animals.
Whoopie tried to defend Vick by saying it was part of his "Deep South" culture. That's a cheep lie. And she is an arrogant Hollywood elitist who looks down her nose at the people who made her filthy rich.
Its just that simple!
 
2007-09-05 01:38:49 AM
I'm just curious, I think that things run in cycles, when will african americans turn away from the gang banger baby momma crack smoking thing and return to the george washington carver, stop biatching, pull up your pants, educate yourself, and not be a waste of space thing?
 
2007-09-05 01:39:34 AM
Disclaimer: I am not defending Vick. What he did was illegal and he deserves to be punished.

Everyone keeps talking about how he is college educated and well to do. You cannot escape your roots, and Vick's roots are the ghettos of Newport News.
 
2007-09-05 01:43:26 AM
bitteroldman: Torc 2007-09-05 12:58:11 AM
Wow.
What's it like to be a brainless tool?


I have no idea, slap the dick out of your Dad's mouth and ask him.
 
2007-09-05 01:46:23 AM
bitteroldman

I didn't suggest dog fighting was common or acceptable in the south, that vick isn't a criminal, nor that whoopi isn't an idiot.

I hardly think that acknowledging that the United States contains multiple cultural groups, and that these groups are tied to geographic areas, is stereotyping. If you've traveled across the nation then you should be well aware that San Fransisco is different from Jackson, Mississippi which is different from Manhattan.

I see no reason why a person of average intellect should struggle with the notion that a city, state, region, or nation can have a culture while at the same time being aware that each individual within that group will be unique and may only conform to that culture to a varying extent.
 
2007-09-05 01:50:48 AM
I'm going to reserve judgement until I see proof that that actually was Whoops Goldman and not just a 5 foot termite mound made of feces.
 
2007-09-05 02:01:29 AM
TJATL - Dogs are property, they are not humans, they should not be given "special" rights. What is special rights? Protecting one race of animal while others are not protected, cows, chicken, etc. I hate peta and not a vegetarian, but how do you think your food gets to the table? Magic? Ever eat veal? Go Google how it gets to your plate. Granted maybe Vick could have killed the dogs more efficiently, he should be a free man.



There are no "special rights" here.

If you could train attack calves to fight each other to the death so that you could gamble on the outcome, I would find that equally objectionable.

The issue is not the killing. It's the vicious cruelty... which doesn't just begin with the fighting. It takes work to create a dog that vicious... work that consists of beating and starving it and terrorizing it and tossing it bait dogs to hone its desire and ability to kill.


Oh, and off of that:

I'm also from the "Deep South," born and raised in Alabama and lived here my entire life.

I have "normal" family, "country" family, redneck family, and straight up white trash family... I have a cousin who was just released from prison two days ago after 5 years in for stealing steaks from Winn-Dixie... It was his 3rd felony conviction. He is one of 3 crackheads in my family.

My grammar school was located IN a housing project... My high school was located right next to one, and every school I ever attended was predominantly black by a wide margin, so I'm also quite familiar with southern black culture and even southern hood-rat/gangsta culture...

I can tell you that no, dogfighting is not commonplace nor even remotely accepted by whites or blacks of any social strata here... If it's done, it's down very much on the down-low because nobody's chatting about it over the water-cooler or the local bar or at family get-togethers. I wouldn't begin to know how to tell you to find a dogfight, and at no point in my life would I ever have been able to tell you how to find one.

It may well be like drug use in that there are people who engage in it and who somehow find each other, but they have the good sense to keep it to themselves, because they know that most people wouldn't be even remotely accepting of it. (and you know, it's really, really illegal) Which, I would guess, is the way it is wherever it exists.

So yeah... it also pisses me off that she throws out some baseless, ignorant, stereotyping bullshiat about the south that's not remotely true.
 
2007-09-05 02:08:01 AM
DFWB: Dog fighting while black.
 
2007-09-05 02:10:32 AM
HomoHabilis

DFWS



Dog Fighting While Stupid



/FTFYA
 
2007-09-05 02:10:44 AM
underbridge - I see no reason why a person of average intellect should struggle with the notion that a city, state, region, or nation can have a multiple culture(s)

Is there one homogenous culture where you live that all individuals conform to within varying ranges?

I live in Huntsville, AL.

We have yuppies, rednecks, hippies, homos, beaners, geeks, gangstas, wiggers, enlightened brothas, mainstream midle-class Middle-Americans... etc.

And even among that small group of sample cultures, each culture would have it's own varying cultures.

"country" is different from "redneck" which is different from "white trash"

Geeks may be the classic pocket-protector NASA engineeers, or Ren Faire geeks, goth geeks, costume and convention geeks, etc.
 
2007-09-05 02:11:48 AM
Wouldn't it be great if Vick had to train for a dogfight? Then he could go up against one for 10 minutes to fulfill his debt to society.
I would pay.
I would take the dog, over/under is 4 minutes


media.bestprices.com

/Exceedingly obscure
 
2007-09-05 02:13:10 AM
farm2.static.flickr.com
 
2007-09-05 02:17:09 AM
I'm so sick of ANY group of people, white, black, straight, gay, hispanic, liberal, conservative, etc blindly defending their own simply because they belong to one of those groups ( or others ). There is no impartiallity anymore and no more common sense. As long as you belong to a certain "group" of people, especially minorities, you can be sure "your own" will circle the wagons even if you admit to any wrong doing. It's all farking ignorant. My fave is when a defendant is on trial for example, for murdering someone...all the evidence points to him/her ( the defendant ) including DNA...but there's the whaling, crying mother proclaiming her baby ( adult child ) didn't do it. It's all just stupid and sickening and a waste of time.
My parents would have turned me in for lifting a pack of gum when I was 9. It's accountability, look it up.
Oh, by the way, I hope everyone, especially liberals are enjoying all the recent msnbc specials on how we should be a lot more simpathetic towards convicted felons ie rapists, robbers, people who violate and prey on innocent, law abiding people. Yeah, they need to be more comfortable.
 
2007-09-05 02:19:51 AM
PrinceOfFark is right, anyone who is outraged about this is an idiot. I'm truly amazed at how stupid you all are.
 
2007-09-05 02:22:34 AM
I'm more of a lurker that doesn't post often, but I have to say that I understand her comments. I think that there are influences in his life that made him think that this behavior was okay, just like many of us drank before we were 21, smoked a little pot in our youth, or did any number of illegal things and see no issue with it. Some would judge us pretty harshly for those actions.

Yes I believe that fighting dogs is much worse than anything I mentioned, but he is going to pay for it accordingly. He'll lose over $100 Million, spend a year in jail, possibly lose his career, and be a known felon. He's going to pay his price, and just maybe he'll be the better for it.

He did some stupid things, but everyone is making him out to be a murderer. He's an animal abuser, which is sick, but falls well short of crimes that others have committed resulting in much less of a backlash.
 
2007-09-05 02:24:57 AM
xBIGxEASYx

thats hot
 
2007-09-05 02:26:32 AM
Kobe gets to rape a girl, no big thing. Vick kills some dogs, and we gotta execute him.

Priorities are odd.
 
2007-09-05 02:31:36 AM
xBodo99: Kobe gets to rape a girl, no big thing. Vick kills some dogs, and we gotta execute him.

Priorities are odd.


The dog didn't go to his hotel room at three in the morning, looking to get laid by a famous guy.
 
2007-09-05 02:32:10 AM
It's cool, he's a black guy from the south.

He's only 3/5ths of a person anyway. That's just how it's done where he comes from. Perfectly defensible.
 
2007-09-05 02:35:18 AM
I'm from the deep south and I lynch ni....uh....

I'm sorry it's just how we roll down here!
 
2007-09-05 02:38:54 AM
say what you talkin bout whoopi
 
2007-09-05 02:41:30 AM
I kept thinking about it & I think that the only thing that could be credited as far as Vick thinking it's "OK" to dogfight is the culture of rich/influential people. He knew that he was 100 times more likely to get out of a sticky situation (no matter what it is) because he's the star footballer who has millions of dollars in the bank. He wouldn't be wrong in assuming this since society has shown that it is willing to overlook these things & the legal system has shown that it is willing to give lesser sentences to people who have money. Then after the public has shouted it's outrage about this person we all line up to spend money on that person's next thing or to buy the next tell-all rag on the newstand.

While I know that many of us here don't condone or reward this, unfortunately there are enough people in the world that do. In this aspect (the rich/influential culture) I can see where Vick thought that it would be "OK" if he had the dogfights. It doesn't make it right, but it makes it believable.
 
2007-09-05 02:54:13 AM
the biggest redneck here: Login: TJATL
Account created: 2007-08-28 00:35:34
Submitted links approved: none
Location: Roswell, GA

Troll or genuine idiot?


Probably just a Falcons fan.
 
2007-09-05 03:01:41 AM
DayeOfJustice: Weaver95: Goldberg said that "from where he comes from" in the South, dogfighting isn't that unusual. "It's like cockfighting in Puerto Rico," she said. "There are certain things that are indicative to certain parts of the country."

So 'whites only' country clubs are ok then? I mean, it's just a certain thing that's indicative to a certain part of the country, right?

GloryBug: Ding! Time's up. Get in line with Jamie Foxx, as lack celebrities who insult all black people by claiming black people have a cultural problem with following the law. Maybe she doesn't know any black people, because all the ones I know don't have a problem respecting laws. They also don't get off on torturing animals. Maybe all the black people I know have sold out and become all 'whitey' by refusing to break the law as they culturally should be doing.

Just proves there is no idiot gene that relates to colour.

Many of you have really proven yourselves to be idiots. At no point does she defend him. She posits why she thinks he did it. And she never brings up race. That's your doing. She never says he did it because of his color, but because of his LOCATION AND THE CULTURE THEREIN. I mean if you guys are going to attack blacks for having opinions that you don't like with racist rhetoric, you FAIL.

And Weaver if your attack on someone's ideology is to proclaim that maybe they should be okay with racism, you really should stop talking.

Most of you should simply be quiet when it comes to discussing complex issues.


Except that dogfights in the south are a black thing, whereas cockfights are the white version. So this is the equivalent of talking about the culture of rap, bling, and thuggery, it's implicitly black.

And while she's not "saying it is ok" directly, she is apologizing/making exuses for him. Which is stupid, primarily because it's not her apology to make, but also for other reasons already mentioned by other people (abdication of personal responsibility because of a reason that, as i mentioned a paragraph ago, boils down to "because he's black", the implication that an illegal activity is somehow less illegal because it's prevalent in a (part of black) culture (that Vick didn't grow up in in the first place), etc.).

Every apology starts with "I know now that what I did was wrong, but...", and the intention is always to imply that blame should not actually be assigned in the way that standard procedure indicates that it should be. In this case, this implication is farking stupid, so we mock the woman involved. Totally valid response.
 
2007-09-05 03:21:35 AM
I don't give a frogs fat ass what Whoopie thinks about anything.
Whoever cares what she thinks needs examination.
If I were in the same cell with Mr. Dog fighting idiot(I'd be in jail for pot sence it's the only "illegal" thing I do) I'd soon become a murderer. I'd go all internet tough guy on him.
Rot in hell Vick you sick fark. Rot there with OJ and Mike Jackson.
/Vick, Whoopie, OJ and Jackson were in a boat and it was sinking. Who gets saved?
...the rest of us.
 
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