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2007-09-02 04:46:43 PM  
oooh, refusing to show your reciept. Fight the Power, dude.
 
2007-09-02 05:00:07 PM  
Actually, he was arrested for refusing to show his ID to the cop that showed up. That's a hell of a lot of trouble to go through just to not have to take the 5 seconds required to show your receipt to a numbnuts at the door.
 
2007-09-02 05:14:39 PM  
The first involves the loss prevention employee physically preventing my egress from the property.

That's a lawsuit right there. Anyone who has ever worked retail security will tell you.

Unless they have physical proof he was stealing something (video tape showing him concealing products or cutting tags, etc), they can't prevent him from leaving. That's a false imprisonment charge.
 
2007-09-02 05:16:49 PM  
Silvara: Actually, he was arrested for refusing to show his ID to the cop that showed up. That's a hell of a lot of trouble to go through just to not have to take the 5 seconds required to show your receipt to a numbnuts at the door.

What she said, and also this:

If the cops want to see your ID you have to show it. If you don't, or don't have any, they can take you in until you can be positively identified. What would happen if some known serial killer was allowed to say I'm John Smith and they had to just take his word for it. Guys a douche for doing all this in the first place and trying to AW himself about it afterward.
 
2007-09-02 05:22:22 PM  
Yagottabechittinme: If the cops want to see your ID you have to show it.

Papers please comrade.
 
2007-09-02 05:37:47 PM  
He doesn't mention any backstory. If he's walking out of a store with a $4000 Sony VAIO Laptop box in hand, and a person asks you for a reciept, and you flip out and don't show it you've just given them probable cause that you're a farking thief.

And yes, if a police officer asks you to show ID, and you don't provide it, you can be detained (see: arrested, for you internet lawyer types), until prositive ID can be determined.

Also, for those of you above age, if you enter a liquor store without a valid photo ID, you can be denied service. So please stop yelling at me when I refuse to sell you Bud Light, kay?
 
2007-09-02 05:47:00 PM  
Yagottabechittinme: What would happen if some known serial killer was allowed to say I'm John Smith and they had to just take his word for it.

What would happen if it was just a guy that forgot his wallet and was on his way to pick up his kid?
 
2007-09-02 05:52:31 PM  
Yagottabechittinme: If the cops want to see your ID you have to show it.

Seriously. I love the article headline. 'Papers please'

hahahahaha

Like it's Nazi Germany. Get it? Cause they run people for warrants and don't take people's word for it when you tell them your name. Cause no one ever lies to the cops. :P

That guy has a hard life ahead of him if he's going to walk around with this attitude.

"In order to apply for this job we will need a copy of your driver's license"

"WTF is this? Nazi Germany? 1984? You shoudl take my word for who I am! I am not showing you anything! Background check? Fark off fascist!"
 
2007-09-02 05:52:48 PM  
What would happen if it was just a guy that forgot his wallet and was on his way to pick up his kid?


Then he can be ticketed for driving without ID. Or if the cop was nice, he'd get a warning and a stern finger-shake.
 
2007-09-02 05:55:05 PM  
Dandelo: If he's walking out of a store with a $4000 Sony VAIO Laptop box in hand, and a person asks you for a reciept

I'm sure that's exactly what happened. You walk out of a Wal-Mart or Home Depot with an expensive item in your cart some little old lady will ask to see your receipt. Big deal. The guy was a douche for letting it escalate pass that. The store is going to call the cops per policy if he refused to show his receipt as proof he bought the large item and didn't just toss it in his cart and walk out. He's wasting my tax dollars with his douchebaggery.
 
2007-09-02 06:06:20 PM  
After reading that guys blog, I have concluded he is a self-centered jack-ass.

He caused his younger siblings to bawl and be scarred, cost his dad $300 to bail him out of jail, and for what? Just because he didn't want to prove to Circuit City as he was walking out the door that he had had paid for his purchases? Circuit City is just trying to protect themselves from theft, get over yourself or go find a shack in Montana to write your manifesto, either way leave the rest of us alone.
 
2007-09-02 06:20:04 PM  
POPCORN! COCKTAILS! This oughta be good. For those of you with German accents, please use some umlauts so we can get you in the right category.
 
2007-09-02 06:22:03 PM  
We can also add abuse of the 911 system, assault, and disorderly conduct. He's also now scamming for money. (pops) He's trying too hard to get attention, because he didn't show a reciept? Methinks a lawsuit is already being formed, just because he felt like being a douchenozzle.

/Been waiting for months to use 'douchenozzle' in a post.
 
2007-09-02 06:26:57 PM  
He's right on all accounts. He's a stubborn douche for dragging his family through it, but anyone fighting within their rights against an Orwellian dystopia gets a hearty applause from me.
 
2007-09-02 06:30:22 PM  
You don't have an automatic right to walk out of a private business carrying part of their inventory without proving you've traded money for it first.
 
2007-09-02 06:32:25 PM  
Self centered jackass or not, he has rights and the store violated those rights. Does anyone who actually knows the law know whether the arrest for refusing to show ID was legal?
 
2007-09-02 06:33:33 PM  
The only place that I have been forcibly asked to peek in my bag is Fry's Electronics. They are very adamant about it. Which is why I rarely shop there.

The only other times I have had someone ask to look in my bag was when I set off the alarm because a check-out clerk didn't 'clear' the item properly.

In those cases, I volunteer to have them look to make sure I am not stealing something. Also in those cases, the person who checks marks the object that didn't get 'cleared' so they can educate their staff on which side to pass over the demagnetize device.
 
2007-09-02 06:34:16 PM  
CravenMorehead: Self centered jackass or not, he has rights and the store violated those rights. Does anyone who actually knows the law know whether the arrest for refusing to show ID was legal?

You have to show it if you're operating a motor vehicle. He had children in the car, and the door was open, it's a reasonable assumption he was going to, or had been operating it, so yes, he's going to lose that one, unless he gets people from the internet to send him thousands of dollars for a lawyer to fight the man!
 
2007-09-02 06:35:42 PM  
Kyosuke: You don't have an automatic right to walk out of a private business carrying part of their inventory without proving you've traded money for it first.

Actually you do. They have to have probable cause you did not pay for it to detain you.
 
2007-09-02 06:36:23 PM  
Dandelo: You have to show it if you're operating a motor vehicle. He had children in the car, and the door was open, it's a reasonable assumption he was going to, or had been operating it, so yes, he's going to lose that one, unless he gets people from the internet to send him thousands of dollars for a lawyer to fight the man!

But he was not operating the vehicle, he was a back-seat passenger.
 
2007-09-02 06:37:28 PM  
I don't have a problem with them asking to see a receipt btw. The only time I get pissed is when theres like 1 person checking and theres a line to leave, that pisses me off.
 
2007-09-02 06:37:48 PM  
Pick your battles, douchebag.
 
2007-09-02 06:38:59 PM  
He may be a real douchebag, but I think he's got a case.

/Not a lawyer.
 
2007-09-02 06:41:54 PM  
aybara:But he was not operating the vehicle, he was a back-seat passenger.


Oho, I missed that one! We can add not using a seatbelt to the list of other violations he's admitted to being guilty of. Thanks, aybara!

/hooray nanny state!
 
2007-09-02 06:47:56 PM  
Yagottabechittinme: If the cops want to see your ID you have to show it. If you don't, or don't have any, they can take you in until you can be positively identified. What would happen if some known serial killer was allowed to say I'm John Smith and they had to just take his word for it. Guys a douche for doing all this in the first place and trying to AW himself about it afterward.

Wow. Your reasoning for laws is scary.
 
2007-09-02 06:50:28 PM  
Dandelo: Also, for those of you above age, if you enter a liquor store without a valid photo ID, you can be denied service. So please stop yelling at me when I refuse to sell you Bud Light, kay?

There's a big difference between being carded before going into a strip club or buying a beer, and having to prove your identity when you're walking out of a store.
 
2007-09-02 06:51:03 PM  
Being forced to prove your identity, rather.
 
2007-09-02 06:53:55 PM  
Dirtball: After reading that guys blog, I have concluded he is a self-centered jack-ass.

He caused his younger siblings to bawl and be scarred, cost his dad $300 to bail him out of jail, and for what? Just because he didn't want to prove to Circuit City as he was walking out the door that he had had paid for his purchases? Circuit City is just trying to protect themselves from theft, get over yourself or go find a shack in Montana to write your manifesto, either way leave the rest of us alone.


Honestly, I'm more concerned about being required by law to provide identification to police officers, under penalty of being effectively imprisoned until positive identification can be established, when this man was on foot.
 
2007-09-02 07:04:40 PM  
Magic: Dirtball: After reading that guys blog, I have concluded he is a self-centered jack-ass.

He caused his younger siblings to bawl and be scarred, cost his dad $300 to bail him out of jail, and for what? Just because he didn't want to prove to Circuit City as he was walking out the door that he had had paid for his purchases? Circuit City is just trying to protect themselves from theft, get over yourself or go find a shack in Montana to write your manifesto, either way leave the rest of us alone.

Honestly, I'm more concerned about being required by law to provide identification to police officers, under penalty of being effectively imprisoned until positive identification can be established, when this man was on foot.


The showing of the ID is not what annoys me about this cockknock, its the fact that he didn't want to comply with a store policy (which is private property) and show his reciept as he walked out the door.

CC is just doing a small step in helping them curb shoplifting at the store and this self centered jack-ass thinks he is above it. All of this would have been avoided if he had taken the three seconds to show the receipt and be on his way.

He is the cause for his siblings being traumatized, he is the reason his dad is out $300 bucks, and his jack-assery is the reason he was arrested. This is no-one's fault but his own.
 
2007-09-02 07:20:09 PM  
This guy screwed up when the cops asked for his ID, he should have complied there... Membership warehouse, show your receipt(I believe it is in you membership contract), carrying your stuff out on their cart, show the receipt. CC or Best Buy etc and you have your stuff in your hands, screw em. I usually just show the receipt(picking battles applies here), but if there is a line to get out the door I walk right on by, never been hassled, even at Fry's.
 
2007-09-02 07:51:09 PM  
Dirtball: Circuit City is just trying to protect themselves from theft
It's a bullshiat policy though. If there are items that are THAT important to a store, they should be carried BY A CLERK to a person's vehicle, or at least out of the store. Instead of having some fool stand and waste everyone's time.
 
2007-09-02 07:51:10 PM  
This guys is obviously a douchebag, he has the balls to do what I'm too cowardly to.
 
2007-09-02 07:51:46 PM  
Dandelo:

You have to show it if you're operating a motor vehicle. He had children in the car, and the door was open, it's a reasonable assumption he was going to, or had been operating it, so yes, he's going to lose that one, unless he gets people from the internet to send him thousands of dollars for a lawyer to fight the man!


Quick question:

Did you read the article?
 
2007-09-02 07:51:49 PM  
Right...

I'm just going to walk out of circuit city with an X-box 360, with no receipt, and refuse to show ID.

This jackass should be dragged into the streets and beaten as a public example.

If he brought merchandise into the store he bought, he should have obviously gone right to the service desk, and any moron on earth would have brought a receipt.

I'd like to hear what really happened.
 
2007-09-02 07:52:43 PM  
Blogger: Hey world! I am an obnoxious douchebag wasting the grownups' time because of this pole up my ass! Hi!
 
2007-09-02 07:53:27 PM  
I despise having my receipt checked right after I walk away from a register.

I despise that I "have to" show "my papers" to any jar-headed, shaven-domed dickhead asshole bully jackbooted queer-uniformed cop that demands same.
 
2007-09-02 07:54:04 PM  
Dirtball: The showing of the ID is not what annoys me about this cockknock, its the fact that he didn't want to comply with a store policy (which is private property) and show his reciept as he walked out the door.


Well the part of the equation that requires me to show a receipt. I paid for the item and if you think I didn't, accuse me of stealing or I will be on my way.

Ban me from your store but I don't have to show the receipt private property or not.
 
2007-09-02 07:55:02 PM  
I think asking for a receipt is pretty reasonable; since its private property the whole "unreasonable search and seizure" speech kind of falls on the deaf ears of the security goons. However, if you simply walk out, equally, they can't call the police since "store policy" isn't codified in law. If they want to detain you, they need proof that you did something wrong.

However, the U.S. Supreme Court says that if a police officer asks for your ID in a situation where they're called to assist - such as this - you really do have to cough it up.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/06/21/scotus.police.id/index.html
 
2007-09-02 07:55:15 PM  
As someone who used to check receipts coming out the door, fark this guy with a red hot iron rod. If I was carrying something out of YOUR HOUSE you would try and stop me. Stores are generally on PRIVATE PROPERTY and you know what, as an agent for that company, I am allowed to check your receipt. I cannot farking believe that we have a society so farking self centered that we would even have this argument. He should have shown his receipt at the door and let it go with that.

Not only that, but even as a passenger in a vehicle, at least in AZ, if you are not a minor, YOU MUST BE ABLE TO SHOW I.D.
 
2007-09-02 07:55:33 PM  
Wow. Your reasoning for laws is scary.

Not compared to your common sense. How could any criminal in the country ever be prosecuted if he had the right to keep his ID concealed?

If you don't want to show your ID, the cops have the right to lock you in jail until they discover it.

Simple common sense.
 
2007-09-02 07:56:06 PM  
By the way, I don't care if this guy is an obnoxious douchebag, which he most certainly is for being such an obnoxious douchebag.
 
2007-09-02 07:56:27 PM  
SoxSweepAgain: I despise having my receipt checked right after I walk away from a register.

I despise that I "have to" show "my papers" to any jar-headed, shaven-domed dickhead asshole bully jackbooted queer-uniformed cop that demands same.


Meanwhile, if you just got farked up or robbed, that "bully jackbooted queer-uniformed cop" would be the first person you'd cry and whine to.
 
2007-09-02 07:56:31 PM  
skankboy:
Ban me from your store but I don't have to show the receipt private property or not.


If it is the stores policy, then yes. You have to.
 
2007-09-02 07:57:07 PM  
Dwindle: How could any criminal in the country ever be prosecuted if he had the right to keep his ID concealed?

America lived in lawlessness for roughly 150 years?
 
2007-09-02 07:57:59 PM  
it ceased to be circuit city's property the moment he exchanged money for it. the employees were basically asking to see his property, which he has a right to deny if he wants, especially once he was outside of their store and in his own vehicle. the most the employees could (and should) have done was copied down the license plate of the car, go back in and check the tapes, and then call the cops if they find that he did steal something.
 
2007-09-02 07:58:01 PM  
CravenMorehead: Self centered jackass or not, he has rights and the store violated those rights. Does anyone who actually knows the law know whether the arrest for refusing to show ID was legal?

This is old, but it might be relevant (or not--I didn't reread it).
 
2007-09-02 07:58:12 PM  
Silvara: that "bully jackbooted queer-uniformed cop" would be the first person you'd cry and whine to.

And then he'd ask for the ID of the person who is bleeding to death in the moonlight. And probably shoot him 50 times when reaching for said ID.
 
2007-09-02 07:59:06 PM  
TehNacho: If it is the stores policy, then yes. You have to.

Nope I don't. Policy is not law. If I refuse your policies, ban me but I don't have to comply with your requests.
 
2007-09-02 07:59:28 PM  
skankboy: Dirtball: The showing of the ID is not what annoys me about this cockknock, its the fact that he didn't want to comply with a store policy (which is private property) and show his reciept as he walked out the door.


Well the part of the equation that requires me to show a receipt. I paid for the item and if you think I didn't, accuse me of stealing or I will be on my way.

Ban me from your store but I don't have to show the receipt private property or not.


You do if its the store policy to show it. Don't like it shop somewhere else. That's your choice.

Don't like the prices a store charges, don't like their return policy, don't like how they manufacture their goods for sale, find a store that has policies you agree with and shop there, that is your right.

But if CC, Best Buy, Home Depot, Costco etc. enact a policy that they may ask you to show your receipt as you exit it is well within their right to do so. And if you disagree, shop somewhere else.
 
2007-09-02 07:59:32 PM  
From http://www.michaelrighi.com/:
Joe didn't budge. At this point I pushed my way past Joe and walked onto the sidewalk next to the building. I pulled out my phone and dialed 911.

That piece of shiat called the cops himself. Wow. Just wow.
 
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