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(Seattle Times)   The Academy of Motion Pictures Arts and Sciences is trying to stop a woman from selling an Oscar from 1929. They want her to sell it to them for $10   (seattletimes.nwsource.com) divider line 105
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2007-09-02 02:57:27 AM  
So is EVERYBODY affiliated with making movies a giant douchetard?
 
2007-09-02 03:13:00 AM  
The Academy's bylaws dating back to the 1950s say that anyone who wants to sell an Oscar must first offer it back to the Academy for $10.

Can I start a club and just make up some bylaws and have them be legal grounds to sue as well? And even have them apply to people not in my club?
 
2007-09-02 06:18:10 AM  
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2007-09-02 06:36:30 AM  
It's considered tradition, but the AMPAS has little ground to actually stand on. I know several people who have purchased Oscars over the years, and there really wasn't anything the academy could do about it.
 
2007-09-02 06:37:37 AM  
soze: So is EVERYBODY affiliated with making movies a giant douchetard?

There are a few exceptions, but for the most part - YES!
 
2007-09-02 06:48:22 AM  
AMPAS holes
 
2007-09-02 06:55:13 AM  
soze: So is EVERYBODY affiliated with making movies a giant douchetard?

I work for a student film festival, and I was shocked at how nice all the directors were. These were the kids, too, who were winning a lot of student categories at other film fests, and were all pretty talented (and probably knew it). I ended up meeting a few dozen this summer at our shows, and with maybe one exception, they were surprisingly douche-free.

Maybe once big money starts hitting, things change - though our Best of Fest winner, who has probably taken in more than $20k in prize money off his one film, might have been the nicest out of everyone.
 
2007-09-02 06:55:48 AM  
Who's the socialist now?
 
2007-09-02 06:56:26 AM  
You know who also tried to stop a woman from selling an Oscar....
 
2007-09-02 07:02:02 AM  
Godwin by Proxy?
 
2007-09-02 07:03:48 AM  
Flamethrowing_Troll: What sort of people run Hollywood, again?

Liberals?
 
2007-09-02 07:06:44 AM  
log_jammin: Flamethrowing_Troll: What sort of people run Hollywood, again?

Liberals?


and idiots... but those kinda go hand in hand in Hollywood..
 
2007-09-02 07:10:18 AM  
Rattrap007: log_jammin: Flamethrowing_Troll: What sort of people run Hollywood, again?

Liberals?

and idiots... but those kinda go hand in hand in Hollywood..


So...lower-class rednecks in dead-end jobs advocating a flat tax and elimination of the estate tax are real bright, I'm sure.
 
2007-09-02 07:15:45 AM  
Let me just hurry things along, then: it's Bush's fault. And Hillary's. Michael Moore's fat. Coulter has a pronounced Adam's Apple. Liberal media. Repuglicans. Demoncrats. Buh-buh-buh Clinton.

/ Did I leave anything out?
 
2007-09-02 07:19:41 AM  
strangeguitar: You know who also tried to stop a woman from selling an Oscar....

Why does Voldemort want an Oscar?
 
2007-09-02 07:19:52 AM  
MooseUpNorth: Let me just hurry things along, then: it's Bush's fault. And Hillary's. Michael Moore's fat. Coulter has a pronounced Adam's Apple. Liberal media. Repuglicans. Demoncrats. Buh-buh-buh Clinton.

/ Did I leave anything out?


If gays can marry, the terrorists win!!!!
 
2007-09-02 07:22:33 AM  
heh...you forgot polanski!
 
2007-09-02 07:24:56 AM  
I'll pay $15.
 
2007-09-02 07:26:28 AM  
log_jammin: The Academy's bylaws dating back to the 1950s say that anyone who wants to sell an Oscar must first offer it back to the Academy for $10.

Can I start a club and just make up some bylaws and have them be legal grounds to sue as well? And even have them apply to people not in my club?


I have a bylaw that says if you want to do that, you have to give me cheese slices, chocolate pudding, and a blowjob first. If you don't, it's grounds to sue.
 
2007-09-02 07:28:25 AM  
We need a greedy tag.
 
2007-09-02 07:43:41 AM  
just sneak out of the country and sell it to some rich Russian tycoon or some Emir. The fark are they gonna do? slap you on the wrist and give you a stern talking to?
 
2007-09-02 07:45:41 AM  
The bylaws date back to the 1950's, but the Oscar dates back to the 1920's. Isn't it protected by a grandfather clause?
 
2007-09-02 07:48:02 AM  
MooseUpNorth
Let me just hurry things along, then: it's Bush's fault. And Hillary's. Michael Moore's fat. Coulter has a pronounced Adam's Apple. Liberal media. Repuglicans. Demoncrats. Buh-buh-buh Clinton.

/ Did I leave anything out?


Oh, goodness me, yes you have! You've forgotten:
Libtard, Republicants, flip-flopping, nanny state, Democrap, all references to Hillary Clinton's evilness, all references to Bush's super-evil-super-dumbness, Osama Bin Obama, moran, all forms of godwin, faux news, PMSNCB. etc. Anyone else care to add more? :)
 
2007-09-02 07:49:48 AM  
Object created 1929
Bylaw created 1950 or so
Bylaw maybe or maybe not signed by someone other than owner of object

AMPAS=FAIL
 
2007-09-02 07:51:24 AM  
ComicBookGuy: So...lower-class rednecks in dead-end jobs advocating a flat tax and elimination of the estate tax are real bright, I'm sure.

Yikes. Someone's skin is almost as thin as his hairline. Iunderstand though. If my waist size and IQ were the same I'd be touchy too. But the ponytail looks good.
 
2007-09-02 07:51:58 AM  
rancidPlasma: just sneak out of the country and sell it to some rich Russian tycoon or some Emir. The fark are they gonna do? slap you on the wrist and give you a stern talking to?

They'll probably make darn sure that you can never become a SAG member in this lifetime! You'll just have to settle for AFTRA.
 
2007-09-02 07:54:15 AM  
Dedmon: MooseUpNorth
Let me just hurry things along, then: it's Bush's fault. And Hillary's. Michael Moore's fat. Coulter has a pronounced Adam's Apple. Liberal media. Repuglicans. Demoncrats. Buh-buh-buh Clinton.

/ Did I leave anything out?

Oh, goodness me, yes you have! You've forgotten:
Libtard, Republicants, flip-flopping, nanny state, Democrap, all references to Hillary Clinton's evilness, all references to Bush's super-evil-super-dumbness, Osama Bin Obama, moran, all forms of godwin, faux news, PMSNCB. etc. Anyone else care to add more? :)


Personal responsibility, if she'd had a gun, Al Gore, yarr pirates, MPAA sucks.
 
2007-09-02 07:58:16 AM  
The article says that her oscar is grandfathered in when she won her honorary award. RTFA.
 
2007-09-02 07:59:00 AM  
You know, this thread may turn out to be the single fastest flame-war ever performed.

/ Guinness have a category for this sort of thing?
 
2007-09-02 07:59:14 AM  
Too bad, movie creeps. There's no law against selling what you own.

You lose suckers,

you suck, losers.
 
2007-09-02 08:00:19 AM  
Galadan: Personal responsibility, if she'd had a gun, Al Gore, yarr pirates, MPAA sucks.

9/11.

/ How could I have missed that?
 
2007-09-02 08:19:48 AM  
MooseUpNorth: Galadan: Personal responsibility, if she'd had a gun, Al Gore, yarr pirates, MPAA sucks.

9/11.

/ How could I have missed that?


They'll outbreed us, socialists!!!, fascists, big brother, Atlas Shrugged is the greatest book of all time/a steaming pile of crap (delete as appropriate), Europe is a Muslim state, there were no WMDs, environmentalist conspiracy, glass parking lot, they're taking our jobs.
 
2007-09-02 08:22:52 AM  
"When the Oscar was created, it never occurred to people that it could become an article of commerce," said David W. Quinto, an attorney for the Academy, which filed the lawsuit in Los Angeles County Superior Court.

Well, looks like it never occurred to them that an item that was in the possession of a Hollywood star and happens to be made of freaking gold might have some retail value.

Also, their bylaws aren't law, civil or otherwise. The worst that could happen to them should be a 1930s-style studio exec. leaps out and accusingly states that the offender will never work in this town again -- and, since they never did, who cares.
 
2007-09-02 08:23:08 AM  
log_jammin: Flamethrowing_Troll: What sort of people run Hollywood, again?

Liberals?


HA! Since when do Liberals have money?! Hollywood is run by investors, not filmmakers. Do you seriously think a director gets the millions his #1 hit movie banks?
 
2007-09-02 08:29:52 AM  
Nuke Hollywood from orbit and have all the hot actresses start making porn instead. It's the only way to be sure.
 
2007-09-02 08:32:19 AM  
Der terkin al er jerbs!
 
2007-09-02 08:48:05 AM  
home.mchsi.com , according to Gordon Gecko, is good; however, this is just plain silly. Were the MPAA filled with people that had functional brainstems, they'd offer the $500K, and be done with it.
 
2007-09-02 08:48:28 AM  
dervish16108: They'll probably make darn sure that you can never become a SAG member in this lifetime! You'll just have to settle for AFTRA.

Could they become a member of FAG?

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2007-09-02 08:52:00 AM  
Wait, hold on. If that Oscar was given out in 1929, and the bylaws stating it can't be sold were written in 1950, why should they apply retroactively?

And for that matter, if it isn't an actual law, WTF does the court care?
 
2007-09-02 09:03:04 AM  
MooseUpNorth:Let me just hurry things along, then: it's Bush's fault. And Hillary's. Michael Moore's fat. Coulter has a pronounced Adam's Apple. Liberal media. Repuglicans. Demoncrats. Buh-buh-buh Clinton.
/ Did I leave anything out?


Dedmon: Oh, goodness me, yes you have! You've forgotten:
Libtard, Republicants, flip-flopping, nanny state, Democrap, all references to Hillary Clinton's evilness, all references to Bush's super-evil-super-dumbness, Osama Bin Obama, moran, all forms of godwin, faux news, PMSNCB. etc. Anyone else care to add more? :)


Galadan: Personal responsibility, if she'd had a gun, Al Gore, yarr pirates, MPAA sucks.

Dedmon: Oh, goodness me, yes you have! You've forgotten:
Libtard, Republicants, flip-flopping, nanny state, Democrap, all references to Hillary Clinton's evilness, all references to Bush's super-evil-super-dumbness, Osama Bin Obama, moran, all forms of godwin, faux news, PMSNCB. etc. Anyone else care to add more? :)


Activist judges, Haliburton, evolutionism!!1one!, Hugo Chavez, global warming, theocracy, polygamy, Harry Truman, Doris Day, Red China, Johnny Ray, South Pacific, Walter Winchell, Joe DiMaggio
 
2007-09-02 09:07:07 AM  
So, this means any legal paperwork I sign while I'm alive applies to my heirs? My kids are going to be pissed!
 
2007-09-02 09:16:07 AM  
wydok - Wait, hold on. If that Oscar was given out in 1929, and the bylaws stating it can't be sold were written in 1950, why should they apply retroactively?

Pickford was a founding member of the Academy and supposedly signed some agreement to follow the bylaws in regards to selling her Oscar. The family claims the signature is not hers. I assume that will be the focus of the court case.
 
2007-09-02 09:18:40 AM  
ck1938: ComicBookGuy: So...lower-class rednecks in dead-end jobs advocating a flat tax and elimination of the estate tax are real bright, I'm sure.

Yikes. Someone's skin is almost as thin as his hairline. Iunderstand though. If my waist size and IQ were the same I'd be touchy too. But the ponytail looks good.


Right. Because I am a cartoon character.

Nice to see you aren't retarded.
 
2007-09-02 09:18:57 AM  
Here's a real catch...

Agreement to the bylaws that was made on second award was signed by someone three steps from current possessor.

Can I be held responsible to bylaws made on something that has changed hands several times before I got it despite the fact that I didn't agree to them?

Didn't the first transfer violate the bylaws?

Doesn't the fact that many Oscars have been sold prove that the organization has failed to do this consistently... I mean, there is some theory in copyright law which makes generic terms a problem if you don't work to defend your brand name. Hence, if it's not a Rollerblade, it's just an inline skate.

Only Masons can wear Masonic rings. I'm not a Mason, so I can wear Masonic rings. Let that run through your head for a while.
 
2007-09-02 09:24:54 AM  
I'm sure they don't have a legal leg to stand on, but if they're anything like the Scientologists, they could just litigate the poor lady out of existence.
 
2007-09-02 09:25:45 AM  
Everyone who seems to think they can't restrict selling something someone else owns: you're exactly wrong. You most certainly can put conditional restrictions on the transference of property. It happens often with donation of land for one reason or another. School land for instance, is sometimes donated by its owners, on the condition that it be used to build a school on. If the school is shut down, the land can in some instances be forcibly ceded back to the owner, the estate, or the heirs.

So, it's possible that the Academy by-laws can in fact restrict the selling of Oscars after they were written. Presumably, everyone given an Academy is a member of the Academy, and therefore restricted by its bylaws. That's the kind of thing you agree to when you pay the fees and sign the contract.

I) However, if they weren't careful and allowed them to be GIVEN away, then I think they have no legal basis for current owners who received the statue as a gift.

II) And I'm sure they have no legal basis for owners of statues distributed before the by-laws were ratified. Putting conditions on a gift given 20 years previous would seem...sticky.

In this case, it is apparently Pickford's estate that still owns the statue, which I think would be bound by her agreements in the same way she was, so the first is null. But II would seem to still be a serious issue for the Academy.
 
2007-09-02 09:25:56 AM  
Takes out his copy of Wings(1927) and watches a real movie, not the kind overworked, loud, quick-cut, violence soaked, sexually-stoked, foul-mouthed, predictable crap they put out nowadays.
 
2007-09-02 09:27:51 AM  
although anything with Christopher Walken is great.

Including Pennies from Heaven
 
2007-09-02 09:29:43 AM  
The NATAS has the same rules for Emmy awards. You can pass it along to relatives, but it cannot be sold.

/knows....
 
2007-09-02 09:34:44 AM  
What a bunch of douche bags. Let me just hurry things along, then: it's Bush's fault. And Hillary's. Michael Moore's fat. Coulter has a pronounced Adam's Apple. Liberal media. Repuglicans. Demoncrats. Buh-buh-buh Clinton.

The republicrats can't help themselves, if a topic does not immediately illicit a preprogrammed response they get confused and scared.

My only issue is that these academy guys seem to think they have found an exception to the rights of private property. Do you have to sign a contract waiving rights before you receive the award? Is membership alone and the bylaws of that membership in the academy what we are talking about here? And if those by-laws change does that legally work retroactively? What does the law say when such a item bound by some form of contract is transferred by an estate?

I know there has to be one lawyer out there :)
 
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