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2007-08-30 11:51:42 PM  
sseye: Bartleby the Scrivener, do you know your moniker is taken from a story by an author, Herman Melville, who had a major gay crush on Nathaniel Hawthorne, and that the story from which you take your moniker is primarily a story about a same-sex crush?

WTF? Melville may or may not have had homo leanings (come on, he was a sailor), but his relationship to Hawthorne was one of literary admiration, not "nice butt" admiration.

And "Bartleby" is not meant to be a love interest of his boss -- he's meant to be a kind of cipher, a representation of the dreary inhumanity of the office environment of 19th century (or the present time, which is why the story still resonates). He's emotionally dead, and the boss keeps him on partly out of pity and partly because he just can't figure him out.

/I know, you're just pulling someone's leg, but think of the children! My God, the children!
 
2007-08-30 11:57:01 PM  
ghost_who_walks:
What is ruining your country is extremism. The very thing your goverment points out as a fault in others around the world is the very thing they are using to control their people. The extreme right demands that you side with them or be included with the baby-killer homosexual drug dealers, and the extreme left insists that you don't want to be with the side that has the warmongering poluting capitalist pigs; and niether one will accept that anyone could be anywhere in between.


You're not very aware of what's going on in the U.S. if you think there is any extreme left to speak of. Sure, there are some who post on fark and maybe some in local governments in San Francisco or a few college towns, but there are no extreme liberals with any power in national politics. There are only a few liberals, period, in national politics (mostly in the house of representatives).

Of the presidential candidates from the two major parties, Kucinich is the only true liberal, as he was last time around, and he has no chance in hell, because he's a true liberal. He's certainly no "extreme liberal" by rational european or global standards, either. Just a plain ol' liberal, which makes him extreme by comparison. Ralph Nader was a liberal. Again, no chance in hell.

Our last Democratic president was a moderate conservative by global standards, and his wife might be even more conservative as a president if her voting record in the senate is any indicator.

90% of the U.S. political spectrum basically falls somewhere between "moderate conservative" and "insane whacko wingnut conservative".
 
2007-08-30 11:57:53 PM  
Oznog:

www.thestranger.com

Man- I think my senator is gay!

That reminds me. The Federal sheep station in Eastern Idaho did some study that determined that a certain percentage of rams are gay.

/Yes, there is a sheep station in Idaho.
//Technically it's the Department of Agriculture's "Range Sheep Production Efficiency Research Unit " but the locals call it the "sheep station".
 
HBK
2007-08-31 12:09:24 AM  
"I tend spread my legs when I lower my pants..."

Thats what she said.
 
2007-08-31 12:32:04 AM  
Hey! You put your hand under the stall! Your foot touched mine!

I'm *still* scratching my head over this, trying to figure out exactly why doing that is such a big farking deal (let alone illegal).

I'm also kind of wondering what kind of sicko cop hangs out in public restrooms all day long, just waiting for some other dude to do something that he (the cop) thinks means the guy wants buttsex or whatever. That is *not* normal behavior. IMO, that sort of person ought to be in a padded room, not in law enforcement.
 
2007-08-31 12:34:02 AM  
StillH2O: ghost_who_walks:
You're not very aware of what's going on in the U.S. if you think there is any extreme left to speak of. Sure, there are some who post on fark and maybe some in local governments in San Francisco or a few college towns, but there are no extreme liberals with any power in national politics. There are only a few liberals, period, in national politics (mostly in the house of representatives).


Aye, I'll agree with that. And, yes, I am speaking from an outsiders perspective, so the details may be incorrect. I guess I'm thinking of a time when the left wing was a force in politics, when PC-think and environmentalism seemed to be all that was spoken about in relation to the US; a time when Californication at least held some sway. You're right, nowadays it seems like a long time ago. But the force of it is still there. The Micheal Moore fanboys still occasionaly raise their heads and show a little of it from time to time.

Still, my point is valid in that most people are being forced to become extremist in their viewpoints, whatever side they may be on.


90% of the U.S. political spectrum basically falls somewhere between "moderate conservative" and "insane whacko wingnut conservative".


This may be rendundant, but: Doesn't that bother y'all???
 
2007-08-31 12:43:44 AM  
Prospero424: Honestly, I just wish this whole damned thing would go away so we could actually get back to paying attention to the little issues like the Iraq War, domestic economic policy, etc. If I was an Idahoan(?), I might give a damn, but I'm not.

But the absolutely insane apologist/victim mentality of the far right just blows me away some times. I just got my bi-weekly ten-minute dose of Michael Savage a few minute ago, and he starts off talking about how he's just so upset and sickened by the whole Larry Craig thing; that he's just "had it up to here" and not going to take it any more when it comes to this crap.

Then he explains what he's upset about.

He's not upset that Craig did this. He's upset that - get this - Hillary Clinton and "the Democrats" orchestrated this whole affair to distract from the news that she was "caught" receiving campaign contributions from a felon. That's right: this is all just another big "leftist" plot to kill fetuses and spit on soldiers and push the gay agenda by, I don't know, having gay people arrested.

And there were people calling in telling him he was right on and that they suspected the same thing.

What. The. Fark?


That's OK. On Hannity's radio show he played the tape over and over and stopped just short of saying the cop had entrapped him.
And they talk about Bush Derangement Syndrome.....

And for all of you that hear the tape and miss the obvious "my world is crumbling around me" tone in Craig's voice: I hope you guys don't play poker.

/on second thought... wanna play?
//that was not a solicitation
 
2007-08-31 12:48:40 AM  
This guy is queer.

I'll take bathroom bandit Republican turd burglar for 100 Alex.

He's so gay....
 
2007-08-31 01:07:41 AM  
ghost_who_walks: IAmDrGalacawicz:
Get over it. Partisan politics is ruining this country.

No, that's not what is ruining your country,

What is ruining your country is extremism. The very thing your goverment points out as a fault in others around the world is the very thing they are using to control their people. The extreme right demands that you side with them or be included with the baby-killer homosexual drug dealers, and the extreme left insists that you don't want to be with the side that has the warmongering poluting capitalist pigs; and niether one will accept that anyone could be anywhere in between.

You are allowed to have partian views. You are allowed to have views that straddle the divide. What you shouldn't do is hold so blindly and tightly to the beliefs of those who wish to lead you that you never question them, never consider that your views may differ. You don't have to agree with everyone, and at times there will be no compromise between the views, but most people are being played: They're being told that to accept one agurment, one single idea out of step with what is being dished out of HQ is to be a tratior... That such thoughts should be crushed with the might of Thor.

That's not Partian... that's Extremism. And it's dangerous, and it will destroy your country.

The people orcestrating this probably believe in their heart the ideas they are espousing, but that's not the problem. The fact that they will not accept that "the other side" could ever possibly come up with an equally valid point of view is what is. You can choose a side in a debate and still repect the ideas and people on the other side, even if you never agree with them. You can accept that there may be more than one road to the goal. Something the people who are directing your country at the moment seem unable or unwilling to do, or to allow anyone else to do. Statements like "You're either with us or against us" are huge signals for this behavior, and that they go unquestioned speaks volumes about how much control they have.

The people may never see eye to eye on issues like welfare, drug control, gun control... but that is no excuse to ignore the issues or force an unwanted compromise on people, or worse, as is happening now, use these issues to inflame opinion about the other side without offering any real substance for their own.


And now for some quotes from The West Wing (aka The Left Wing):
"Every once in a while, there's a day with an absolute right and an absolute wrong, but those days almost always include body counts."

...

Ritchie: Now, I want people to work together in this great country, and that's what I did in Florida - I brought people together - and that's what I'll do as your President. End the logjam, end the gridlock, and bring Republicans together with Democrats, 'cause Americans are tired of partisan politics.
Bartlet: Actually, what you've done in Florida is bring the right together with the far right. And I don't think Americans are tired of partisan politics; I think they're tired of hearing career politicians diss partisan politics to get a gig. I've tried it before. They ain't buying it. That's okay, though; that's okay, though, 'cause partisan politics is good. Partisan politics is what the founders had in mind. It guarantees that the minority opinion is heard, and as a lifelong possessor of minority opinions, I appreciate it.


You have it correct, for the most part, but quoting a TV show is just...inconceivably bad form.

Extremism is a problem, yes, but there wouldn't be extremism if there weren't ignorance brought about by the petty bickering and debate of NON-ISSUES.

Tell me, exactly, why a man farking another man in the ass is something that should be debated at the national level? No, seriously, tell me why. Two women want to adopt? BLASPHEMY! That is NOTHING but partisan bullshiat. It accomplishes nothing. It doesn't help anyone. It hurts a minority, yes, but it certainly doesn't HELP the MAJORITY, which would be the primary backing from which the government draws its power.

No, the real problem is bullshiat partisanism has clouded the judgement of what might have, at one time, been a fairly well educated group of citizens. Though Mussolini was a nutcase, his belief that multiple parties weakens the state was somewhat correct. In a country the size of the US (~310 million), you CANNOT get even a plurality of people to agree upon some of the simplest issues, much less forcing them to listen to a quasi-elected group of ignorant farkers who wouldn't recognize REALITY if it farked them in the ass. Even then, they would argue the legality of getting ass-farked by reality rather than directing their attention to some fundamentally more pressing issue. The "gay" issue isn't the only non-issue that has been forced upon the feeble minded fools that reside in this country, and before any non-US citizens start ranting about "stupid Americans," bear in mind that people from your respective countries reside in and become citizens of the US, contributing to the problem such as it already is.

I will repeat, partisan politics is ruining this country. Partisan politics gives rise to extremism, not the other way around, and it does so because the average citizen really doesn't KNOW a hell of a lot of anything (in any country), and they let their misguided beliefs override whatever modicum of judgement they might have into become completely polarized about an issue.

If you ask pretty much ANYONE how they would define either of the 2 major parties in the US, I guarantee you in the top 5 will be something about gay rights, abortion, etc. The bullshiat NON-issues are a major descriptor of how people define parties now. That is partisan bullshiat, not extremism. The founders, in their "infinite" wisdom apparently failed to account for the fact that some homophobe will be worried that an AIDS-riddled homosexual pit bull with a hand gun is going to break into his house in the middle of the night to kidnap his daughter and fark his son in the ass.

Partisan politics is bullshiat, and anyone who strictly votes party lines without putting any real consideration into the issue is a farking moron.

Extremism is a problem, too.
 
2007-08-31 01:11:32 AM  
ghost_who_walks: StillH2O: ghost_who_walks:
You're not very aware of what's going on in the U.S. if you think there is any extreme left to speak of. Sure, there are some who post on fark and maybe some in local governments in San Francisco or a few college towns, but there are no extreme liberals with any power in national politics. There are only a few liberals, period, in national politics (mostly in the house of representatives).

Aye, I'll agree with that. And, yes, I am speaking from an outsiders perspective, so the details may be incorrect. I guess I'm thinking of a time when the left wing was a force in politics, when PC-think and environmentalism seemed to be all that was spoken about in relation to the US; a time when Californication at least held some sway. You're right, nowadays it seems like a long time ago. But the force of it is still there. The Micheal Moore fanboys still occasionaly raise their heads and show a little of it from time to time.

Still, my point is valid in that most people are being forced to become extremist in their viewpoints, whatever side they may be on.


90% of the U.S. political spectrum basically falls somewhere between "moderate conservative" and "insane whacko wingnut conservative".

This may be rendundant, but: Doesn't that bother y'all???


Michael Moore is among the worst of the partisan cocksuckers. With nothing but absolute respect for Australia, sometimes I wish the US had an island or something in the southern hemisphere where it could send assclowns like Michael Moore and Rush Limbaugh. I think Antarctica would do nicely.
 
2007-08-31 01:18:34 AM  
I feel sorry for the old bastard, not for getting caught being gay, but for the fact that in his world, he is unable or feels unsafe living the life he needs to live. Also, just how farked up is it that gays are picking each-other up in airport bathrooms?
 
2007-08-31 01:30:33 AM  
Prospero424: Honestly, I just wish this whole damned thing would go away so we could actually get back to paying attention to the little issues like the Iraq War, domestic economic policy, etc. If I was an Idahoan(?), I might give a damn, but I'm not.

But the absolutely insane apologist/victim mentality of the far right just blows me away some times. I just got my bi-weekly ten-minute dose of Michael Savage a few minute ago, and he starts off talking about how he's just so upset and sickened by the whole Larry Craig thing; that he's just "had it up to here" and not going to take it any more when it comes to this crap.


The far right is insane. As is the far left. And you listen to Michael Savage too much. Try to reduce it to my regular quota of extremist political "talking head" commentators (left or right). ZERO.

Craig should (and likely will) resign.

So why work yourself up....
 
2007-08-31 01:30:35 AM  
IAmDrGalacawicz:

You have it correct, for the most part, but quoting a TV show is just...inconceivably bad form.


Sorry about that, just need to inject something that showed I was totally drooling-at-the-mouth ranting and I couldn't think of anything funny to put in slashies...lol


Extremism is a problem, yes, but there wouldn't be extremism if there weren't ignorance brought about by the petty bickering and debate of NON-ISSUES.
...


(snipped to shorten this already long thread)

I agree with what you're saying. It's too easy for Partisan to slip to Extemism, and yes, it does only happen that way... but that's not to say anyone who holds a partisan view is wrong; it's the one who holds it blindly and without any respect for the other side that we should worry about. Unfortunately, the Powers That Be seem to insist on that slide happening, and for the most part people are complicit in their decline into extremism.

anyone who strictly votes party lines without putting any real consideration into the issue is a farking moron.

Here here!

IAmDrGalacawicz:
Michael Moore is among the worst of the partisan cocksuckers. With nothing but absolute respect for Australia, sometimes I wish the US had an island or something in the southern hemisphere where it could send assclowns like Michael Moore and Rush Limbaugh. I think Antarctica would do nicely.


Isn't that what you guys bought Alaska for?

/or Hawaii?
//Maybe just send them down to Brazil with the ex-nazis and trainrobbers
///slashies are back in!
 
2007-08-31 01:40:38 AM  
If bathroom stalls are public places, how come you can poop there? If you drop trou out in the open, you'll get busted for lewdness or indecent exposure or whatever Craig got charged with. But as soon as you walk into a stall, you can whip out your junk and it's fine. Doesn't that mean you're not in public anymore?

Larry Craig is a hypocritical douchebag who deserves to get voted out of office. But for fark's sake, it's not like they were in a parking lot at Gymboree. Getting quietly blown in a bathroom stall should not be a crime unless I'm outside waiting to pee.

/hopes to join the Mile High Club someday
//also, "he touched my foot and waved his hand" doesn't mean shiat in court. Cop is an assclown.
 
HBK
2007-08-31 01:50:40 AM  
Gay people and sexual deviants are okay. However, creepy bathroom sex is gross. Try dropping deuce whilst having to listen to muffled grunts and slurpie noises.

Its called propriety closet homosexuals; try and have some.

Even before I heard about this story, if I saw a hand come under the stall, I would call out a "What the fark is wrong with you??" Now I will likely steal a wedding band or break said wedding band finger. Try explaining either of those to the wife or the cops.
 
2007-08-31 01:53:07 AM  
Our two choices:

1. He's gay and he's a terrible liar.
2. He an idiot who pleaded guilty to trolling for queers in a public restroom, even though he was innocent.

Either way, is Idaho that hard up that they need to elect a liar and/or idiot to congress?
 
2007-08-31 02:02:12 AM  
Elrond_Hubbard:

Your first paragraph makes a very interesting point. I would love to hear from a lawyer regarding this public/non-public issue.

The second part made me laugh.

/that's right, I typed the whole word "laugh"
//not in a TLA mood tonight
 
2007-08-31 02:19:15 AM  
Another day...

Another Republican in another sex scandal...

Yawn...

Moral Majority indeed.

Props to Jimmy Swaggert, Jim Baker, Rush 'Oxycotin' Windbaugh, and Tucker (the closet door is open, you just have to step out) Carlson.

img.photobucket.com

Sure, the Democrats have had their scandals too. But with members of the opposite sex.

Please, for the love of god, vote these perverts out of office in 2008.

Thank you for your time.
 
2007-08-31 04:10:29 AM  
bitteroldman:
From a strictly neutral point of view, he was an idiot for signing a confession and/or accepting a plea deal. Any lawyer worth his salt should have been able to beat this. He just didn't have the guts to fight it and took the cowards way out.
And now when he whines about the newspaper and everything it just makes him look not only guilty, but like a jackass as well.


aphexcoil:
I agree. He's a senator. Normally in court the cop has the benefit of the doubt but this senator could easily have gotten a top-notch lawyer to shoot this down easily. He screwed up on all fronts. Not only is he a closet homosexual, he's also a really stupid one.

Yeah, he probably could have beaten this if he had taken it to court. But so what? The allegation alone is enough to ruin his career.

Ask Gary Condit, Richard Ricci, OJ Simpson, the Duke Lacrosse team, Michael Jackson, or Richard Jewell.

Some of them are innocent, some of them are guilty, all of them had their reputations destroyed long before the case ever went to trial. (If they even WENT to trial...)

Look at this thread: Some people think he's a pathetic liar trying to cover his ass. Others think that it's ridiculous to assume that touching some guy's foot = "Let's have gay sex."

Most people made up their minds within 5 seconds about hearing about the case. Did anyone change his or her mind after hearing that he now intends to fight the charges? Probably not. This guy is joke and his career is over.
 
2007-08-31 05:10:18 AM  
Confoundit:

Yeah, he probably could have beaten this if he had taken it to court. But so what? The allegation alone is enough to ruin his career.

Ask Gary Condit, Richard Ricci, OJ Simpson, the Duke Lacrosse team, Michael Jackson, or Richard Jewell.

Some of them are innocent, some of them are guilty, all of them had their reputations destroyed long before the case ever went to trial. (If they even WENT to trial...)

Look at this thread: Some people think he's a pathetic liar trying to cover his ass. Others think that it's ridiculous to assume that touching some guy's foot = "Let's have gay sex."

Most people made up their minds within 5 seconds about hearing about the case. Did anyone change his or her mind after hearing that he now intends to fight the charges? Probably not. This guy is joke and his career is over.


Haven't allegations against this man been made before? Forgive me if I don't agree with the fact this allegation could have ruined his career but the others seem to have made him one of the most powerful republicans in congress.

I'm sure I don't have to remind you as to why this one is ruining his career.
 
2007-08-31 07:03:52 AM  
JSTACAT, you MIGHT want to reconsider that image.
 
2007-08-31 08:01:12 AM  
Why doesn't he just bend over and admit it?
 
2007-08-31 08:21:18 AM  
I hate this man, his plan to get his fudge packed in an airport restroom pushed back my plans for co-ed restrooms for decades?!

Won't anyone think of the co-ed restrooms?
 
2007-08-31 11:10:18 AM  
What do you think the cop was inferring when he said

"I expect this from the guy we get out of the hood but, I mean, people vote for you. Unbelievable. Unbelievable," said Karsnia.


Is this an example of the cop playing to the perp's potential racist sensibilities or was the cop just a racist dick?

/kinda trollish but come on..
 
2007-08-31 11:19:44 AM  
I don't know about you guys, but if your foot touches the foot of somebody in the stall next to yours, either the stalls are extremely small, or you did it on purpose.
 
2007-08-31 11:29:19 AM  
"I dont deal with this kind of crap "
 
2007-08-31 11:34:36 AM  
How's everybody doin' today?

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2007-08-31 11:35:23 AM  
Nice knowin' ya, JSTACAT.

/oh wait, no it wasn't
 
2007-08-31 11:41:10 AM  
When I first read about this I thought he was caught actually getting his fudge packed in a bathroom stall or actually propositioning someone.

I didn't listen to the audio but after reading the transcript I have to say it seems like he took (what he thought) was the easy way out. He probably didn't want the scandal.

all i have to say is for a senator, he's pretty stupid. Everyone knows you dont' say "guilty" if you're innocent. Dumbass.
 
2007-08-31 12:27:49 PM  
Elrond_Hubbard: If bathroom stalls are public places, how come you can poop there? If you drop trou out in the open, you'll get busted for lewdness or indecent exposure or whatever Craig got charged with. But as soon as you walk into a stall, you can whip out your junk and it's fine. Doesn't that mean you're not in public anymore?

Larry Craig is a hypocritical douchebag who deserves to get voted out of office. But for fark's sake, it's not like they were in a parking lot at Gymboree. Getting quietly blown in a bathroom stall should not be a crime unless I'm outside waiting to pee get blown.


Fixed your post for ya'

Seriously, do you not see how taking a crap outside is indecent "exposure" when "exposure" is involved (outside) but it is not indecent "exposure" when you are in the bathroom stall? If you don't then by all means, take a dump on a sidewalk in front of a cop, and I'm sure the judge will be more than happy to explain this mind-boggling legal distinction to you.

As for comparing taking a dump to getting a hummmer, if you don't see the difference between the two, then you have issues my friend. The two things are not comparable to people that don't have bizzarre fetishes.

One of these acts is allowed in a public restroom because that is what a public restroom is for. One is not allowed in a public restroom because that is not what a public restroom is for. If you want a different result because you don't like this law and don't have a problem with people having sex where children will be (particularly since anyone, including a child, can see into the stall from where the door latches), then I suggest you write your congressman and encourage him to have your state adopt an "it's okay in bathrooms, as long as you're quiet" exception to the lewd-act statute. I would suggest you start with the good senator, but it's primarily a state law thing, although the fed probably has a similar law related to federal property, federal parks, so maybe Craig will help you pave the way. He's a martyr for the cause!
 
2007-08-31 12:29:50 PM  

timeless classics:

www.horkulated.com


www.horkulated.com

 
2007-08-31 01:01:55 PM  
Is it really against the law to look for potential sexual partners in an airport bathroom? I really don't see why he was arrested. He didn't attempt to have sex with the officer in a public place, and no money was discussed. It just seems like an opportunity to drag someone's name through the mud. It's sad that the Senator will probably lose his job over this.

/liberal independent
 
2007-08-31 01:35:25 PM  
some attorney: Seriously, do you not see how taking a crap outside is indecent "exposure" when "exposure" is involved (outside) but it is not indecent "exposure" when you are in the bathroom stall?

Of course I do. That's my point. It's illegal to drop trou in public, so if you can drop trou in a stall, then you must not be in public anymore. At least, not in the same way.

Obviously, dropping deuce =/= getting blown. Duh. But I'm saying it's retarded for this to be a crime. For one thing, cops have better things to worry about than ONOZ TEH GHEYS R SUCKIN IN TEH STALLZ.
 
2007-08-31 01:59:17 PM  
Badafuco: So is tapping someone's foot at a bar or sliding your fingers across the bar in front of someone to try and hook up illegal too? Was there a discussion of money for sex?

Sitargantula: I suppose if you went to town right on the bar, yeah, that would be illegal. Actually, I'm pretty sure it's illegal in the bathroom of a bar as well.

If by going "to town" you mean having sex, maybe so, but that's not what he did. Still sounds like entrapment to me.

/still glad it happened to Larry Craig (R-ID) !! :D
//and Karsnia is a hottie!! www.davecullen.comwww.davecullen.com

i62.photobucket.com
 
2007-08-31 02:27:53 PM  
Elrond_Hubbard: some attorney: Seriously, do you not see how taking a crap outside is indecent "exposure" when "exposure" is involved (outside) but it is not indecent "exposure" when you are in the bathroom stall?

Of course I do. That's my point. It's illegal to drop trou in public, so if you can drop trou in a stall, then you must not be in public anymore. At least, not in the same way.

Obviously, dropping deuce =/= getting blown. Duh. But I'm saying it's retarded for this to be a crime. For one thing, cops have better things to worry about than ONOZ TEH GHEYS R SUCKIN IN TEH STALLZ.


You're confusing laws that outlaw indecent exposure with laws that prohibit lewd acts in public (or viewable by the public). The stall is a public place. The test for whether a place is public or open to the public is not whether it's okay or not to drop trou there. I also have never seen a statute that say it is illegal to drop trou in public. It is illegal to do so because not because a statute says, "thou shalt not drop trou in public" but because indecent exposure statutes prohibit people from exposing themselves to people that don't wanna see that shiat. If you expose yourself in a private place and it is viewable by the public, it's indecent exposure. Likewase, if you're in a restaurant, which is a private place, and you whip it out for everyone to see, it's indecent exposure. There are also statutes that prohibit lewd acts, and the statutes recite a laundry lists of things that are lewd acts- one of which is a sexual act in a public place or a place viewable to the public. This is usually a seperate crime from indecent exposure, although a person could be charged with both for playing in a public bathroom. If you aren't bothered by people having oral sex in a public restroom, I'm assuming that you don't have young children (or at least hoping). Again, anyone in a bathroom can see inside the stall where the door closes, I wouldn't my young child to see anyone (regardless of sexual orientation) getting oral sex while he walked up to wash his hands, and I think society as a whole does not think this is a "liberty" worth protecting.

I'm not to worried about a whole "First they came for the toilet humpers" line of reasoning.

And I think it was stupid to bust him for touching another guys foot though.
 
2007-08-31 02:45:21 PM  
I am normally not naive, but am I to understand that:

a) some gay men pick each other up in public bathrooms.

b) they do this with a signal system that involves touching the other mans foot and hand waving under the partition.

c) This practice is illegal.

???

WTF???


I think the point is sex in public. Not "gay sex is illegal", or "this was prostitution." I think sex in public places is simply illegal.

As far as busting him without exposing himself, I recall getting caught stealing in a store as a kid. They busted me before I left the store. Technically, I had not left the store yet without paying, but clearly the intent was there.

I guess they see this the same way.
 
2007-08-31 03:04:18 PM  
philwz: I am normally not naive, but am I to understand that:

a) some gay men pick each other up in public bathrooms.

b) they do this with a signal system that involves touching the other mans foot and hand waving under the partition.

c) This practice is illegal.

???

WTF???

I think the point is sex in public. Not "gay sex is illegal", or "this was prostitution." I think sex in public places is simply illegal.

As far as busting him without exposing himself, I recall getting caught stealing in a store as a kid. They busted me before I left the store. Technically, I had not left the store yet without paying, but clearly the intent was there.

I guess they see this the same way.


I still have a hard time believing that touching feet under the divider and touching the bottom of the divider equals "I want it now and I want it here!" (As opposed to just some really odd flirtation with someone you don't even know). Obviously the cop would testify that this is the double-secret code, but it's still pretty thin.
 
2007-08-31 03:21:41 PM  
logruszed: Certainly you know at least a few of them yourself? I'll bet if you live in any decent sized city or town you know where gays tend to congregate, and some well known signs a gay man might display to be recognized?

??? This sounds like it was written in the 1920s!! :D :D

I would gladly have sex with Officer Karsnia, but I have never heard of running your hand along the divider between stalls.

/eyeroll
//Officer Karsnia, call me for public sex!!
 
2007-08-31 03:50:16 PM  
ghost_who_walks: IAmDrGalacawicz:

You have it correct, for the most part, but quoting a TV show is just...inconceivably bad form.

Sorry about that, just need to inject something that showed I was totally drooling-at-the-mouth ranting and I couldn't think of anything funny to put in slashies...lol


Extremism is a problem, yes, but there wouldn't be extremism if there weren't ignorance brought about by the petty bickering and debate of NON-ISSUES.
...

(snipped to shorten this already long thread)

I agree with what you're saying. It's too easy for Partisan to slip to Extemism, and yes, it does only happen that way... but that's not to say anyone who holds a partisan view is wrong; it's the one who holds it blindly and without any respect for the other side that we should worry about. Unfortunately, the Powers That Be seem to insist on that slide happening, and for the most part people are complicit in their decline into extremism.

anyone who strictly votes party lines without putting any real consideration into the issue is a farking moron.

Here here!

IAmDrGalacawicz:
Michael Moore is among the worst of the partisan cocksuckers. With nothing but absolute respect for Australia, sometimes I wish the US had an island or something in the southern hemisphere where it could send assclowns like Michael Moore and Rush Limbaugh. I think Antarctica would do nicely.

Isn't that what you guys bought Alaska for?

/or Hawaii?
//Maybe just send them down to Brazil with the ex-nazis and trainrobbers
///slashies are back in!


I thought the US had bought Alaska for the oil and strategic defense of the northern pole, but I could be wrong. I would be very, VERY disappointed to learn that the actual (preferable) use for Alaska was not being fulfilled.... As for Hawaii, well, the US has pissed of the natives enough for one century. It'll probably have to wait to begin the mass deportations. Which is good, 'cause that means there's a fair chance my anti-partisan, anti-extremist rantings won't land me in a gulag in paradise. Wait a minute....

I agree with your statment of partisanism. It's a classic argument of dialectics (the struggle between oppossites bringing about change), but I guess I have such a jaded opinion that the connotation I associate with "partisanism" is a particularly bad one. If laws were actually passed my majority opinion of the population of a country, I think that connotation would disappear, for me. We (any "democratic" country) elect leaders to make decisions for us with the assumption that they have our best interests in mind but, like I said, in such a large and diverse country as the US, you cannot reconcile differences of opinion on the petty disputes that really have no bearing on humanity, and so you get the poliarized extremism. If every bill that were to be voted on in the US congress were actually presented to the public BEFORE it was approved or nixed, there would probably be less dissention amongst people. We would also have to vote every other week.

I don't think there really is a solution to the petty bullshiat of my particular connotation of partisanism. At least not until aggressive, xenophobic tendencies and ignorance become bred out of humans.

I'm not holding my breath.

I appreciate the rational, cool-headed discussion, anyway. There's enough name-calling at work, as it is.
 
2007-08-31 03:53:44 PM  
Aesthetically Appealing: What do you think the cop was inferring when he said

"I expect this from the guy we get out of the hood but, I mean, people vote for you. Unbelievable. Unbelievable," said Karsnia.


Is this an example of the cop playing to the perp's potential racist sensibilities or was the cop just a racist dick?

/kinda trollish but come on..


Some groups from some areas more consistently deny everything, even when presented with blatant evidence. Pull a bag of dope out of said person's pocket "that ain't mine", etc.

Not that this is a stupid tactic, it's a learned behavior that some people who are less likely to be let off with a warning or get a good lawyer have figured out.

the cop could still be a racist, but hood rats are less likely to present verbal evidence in the form of an admission of guilt. Privileged people are more likely to expect a cop to let them off if they fess up, and they are going to have better legal resources either way.
 
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