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2007-08-30 07:43:34 PM
StillH2O writes: I think it was entrapment

How do you figure?
 
2007-08-30 07:43:36 PM
Which Republican Sinator will be next to be exposed as a pervert?

Lindsey Graham?
Mitch McConnoll?

And don't get me started on the numerous GOPedophiles that are still in line for their own moment in the spotlight.
 
2007-08-30 07:43:55 PM
StillH2O: I think it was entrapment...

The cop entrapped him by sitting in the next stall while Craig rubbed footsies and reached into the next stall with his hand? Ya, filthy pigs, how dare they sit there like that in a stall!
 
2007-08-30 07:45:18 PM
Doctor Funkenstein: Here's all I learned from this whole event:

If instead of blood, you find deadly corrosive acid, you've got a gay!
 
2007-08-30 07:45:36 PM
eraser8: StillH2O writes: I think it was entrapment

How do you figure?


Maybe the stall's door latch got stuck?

/I'm outta here before someone beats me over the head with a dictionary
 
2007-08-30 07:46:00 PM
This case makes me feel rather deeply conflicted.

On the one hand, the man's an incredible hypocritical asshole who has fought the fight for gay rights all the while staying incompetently in the closet.

On the other hand, I do not believe that what he did should be a crime. Solicitation is a bullshiat charge. Leaving aside the gay part, he asked for sex. Big fscking deal. That's what the word "no" is for. If an individual takes no for answer, nothing has happened. If they don't, there are other laws for that- harassment or assault.
 
2007-08-30 07:46:20 PM
eraser8: Are you suggesting that this particular cop sits in the john arresting everyone that enters on the off chance that one of them is a Republican M.C.?

No... that's what they're doing at the doughnut shop.
 
2007-08-30 07:47:02 PM
i194.photobucket.com

I warez Shield, to protect mah face...
from that Senator of the Republican RACE..
 
2007-08-30 07:47:37 PM
I tend to stay out of the political-type threads on Fark so I don't know if this has been addressed but:

Are there any instances of women getting arrested for cruising for sex in women's restrooms?

Any female farkers have experience with this sort of thing?

And if so, do you have any pictures or details you can share with the rest of us?

Just curious.
 
2007-08-30 07:47:39 PM
Barakku: Doctor Funkenstein: Here's all I learned from this whole event:

If instead of blood, you find deadly corrosive acid, you've got a gay!


Heh

>What's your favorite Madonna album?

>I like her early stuff.

If his answer is anything but, "I've never bought one," you've got a gay.
 
2007-08-30 07:48:57 PM
Nentuaby: This case makes me feel rather deeply conflicted.

On the one hand, the man's an incredible hypocritical asshole who has fought the fight for against gay rights all the while staying incompetently in the closet.

On the other hand, I do not believe that what he did should be a crime. Solicitation is a bullshiat charge. Leaving aside the gay part, he asked for sex. Big fscking deal. That's what the word "no" is for. If an individual takes no for answer, nothing has happened. If they don't, there are other laws for that- harassment or assault.


FTFY
 
2007-08-30 07:49:29 PM
Stoopid reporters need to ask him the right questions. Of course he's going to deny being gay, because technically that is correct. He's BIsexual.
 
2007-08-30 07:50:10 PM
thenateman: Even if all the allegations were true, what would be wrong with it? Lots of people want to give/get anonymous head, why does this make a pariah?

First of all, if someone wants anonymous head, it's best to get it in an anonymous place. There's an "L" in "Public Restroom" for a reason.

Second, if an anti-gay republican senator didn't want to wind up a pariah in his own camp, he would've solicited sex from a woman instead.
 
2007-08-30 07:50:28 PM
I am normally not naive, but am I to understand that:

a) some gay men pick each other up in public bathrooms.

b) they do this with a signal system that involves touching the other mans foot and hand waving under the partition.

c) This practice is illegal.

???

WTF???
 
2007-08-30 07:52:50 PM
DeKoquonut: StillH2O: I think it was entrapment...

The cop entrapped him by sitting in the next stall while Craig rubbed footsies and reached into the next stall with his hand? Ya, filthy pigs, how dare they sit there like that in a stall!


First of all, make sure you read the rest of my post. I'm not defending the hypocritical bigot. I'm just creeped out by the idea of cops monitoring and arresting people for stuff like this. As I understand it, the cop put his foot out, the senator put his foot out, and then their feet touched. After that, the senator stuck his fingers underneath. So what? Is this some international code for "I want to have gay sex with you in the bathroom?" I'm not familiar with it, but I'm not into gay bathroom sex, so I wouldn't know. Evidently the cop DID know, and was on the look out for this...and probably putting his foot out to see if somebody would touch it.

Also, even if this is some understood sexual solicitation language in bathroom sex circles.....who the fark cares? Don't we have bigger things to worry about? He's a Republican Senator, after all....That probably wasn't even the biggest crime he committed that day!
 
2007-08-30 07:53:11 PM
The Invisible Sky Wizard: First of all, if someone wants anonymous head, it's best to get it in an anonymous place. There's an "L" in "Public Restroom" for a reason.

"Public" is not the opposite of "anonymous". They are not mutually exclusive.
 
2007-08-30 07:53:40 PM
Nentuaby writes: he asked for sex.

If he'd invited the guy back to his hotel, I might agree with you. But he didn't just ask for sex; he asked for public sex.
 
2007-08-30 07:54:07 PM
tuna fingers: Nentuaby: This case makes me feel rather deeply conflicted.

On the one hand, the man's an incredible hypocritical asshole who has fought the fight for against gay rights all the while staying incompetently in the closet.

On the other hand, I do not believe that what he did should be a crime. Solicitation is a bullshiat charge. Leaving aside the gay part, he asked for sex. Big fscking deal. That's what the word "no" is for. If an individual takes no for answer, nothing has happened. If they don't, there are other laws for that- harassment or assault.

FTFY


Yes, you did. That was meant to say "Fought against the fight". I should probably have just said "fought the movement."
 
2007-08-30 07:54:18 PM
How many Gay Republicans who support anti-Gay Legislation does it take to tap your toe in the bathroom?

//please, let me read more of people defending Craig. It's worth it's weight in gold!
 
2007-08-30 07:54:27 PM
Nentuaby: This case makes me feel rather deeply conflicted.

On the one hand, the man's an incredible hypocritical asshole who has fought the fight for gay rights all the while staying incompetently in the closet.

On the other hand, I do not believe that what he did should be a crime. Solicitation is a bullshiat charge. Leaving aside the gay part, he asked for sex. Big fscking deal. That's what the word "no" is for. If an individual takes no for answer, nothing has happened. If they don't, there are other laws for that- harassment or assault.


This. That's what I was trying to say in my earlier post, but you said it better.
 
2007-08-30 07:55:15 PM
eraser8: Nentuaby writes: he asked for sex.

If he'd invited the guy back to his hotel, I might agree with you. But he didn't just ask for sex; he asked for public sex.


... and?
 
2007-08-30 07:55:41 PM
This is officially the stupidest scandal I've ever seen. Whatever happened to the Gary Harts, Bill Clintons, and Richard Nixons of the political world? My parents had Watergate, my generation gets "pottylove audio."

Oh, and 3,000 U.S. soldiers dead under false pretenses, and a major city that is still largely unlivable two years after a hurricane...
BUT OMG WIDE STANSE!!!1!!
 
2007-08-30 07:56:01 PM
eraser8: Nentuaby writes: he asked for sex.

If he'd invited the guy back to his hotel, I might agree with you. But he didn't just ask for sex; he asked for public sex.


He asked for sex in public.
 
2007-08-30 07:57:24 PM
Nentuaby writes: ... and?

And having sex in public is illegal.
 
2007-08-30 07:58:08 PM
Why is it illegal to seek a sex partner?

I could see trying to find a prostitute (illegal) or
actually having sex in the public bathroom (illegal in public).
But what's with this being illegal? He didn't actually have sex with anyone.
Someone please explain the law to me.
 
2007-08-30 07:58:21 PM
eraser8: Nentuaby writes: ... and?

And having sex in public is illegal.


I wasn't aware that he had sex in public.
 
2007-08-30 07:58:25 PM
Nentuaby:
On the other hand, I do not believe that what he did should be a crime. Solicitation is a bullshiat charge. Leaving aside the gay part, he asked for sex.


Public bathrooms (and locker rooms and fitting rooms) are a special case, though -- a place that's not a private residence in which people undress to some degree. There's etiquette involved, particularly concerning physical boundaries, speech, and where one gazes.

These facilities tend to be unisex, eliminating possible heterosexual solicitation unless one first violates the huge taboo of the male or female symbol on the door. Would we have the same problem with straights if public restrooms were unisex (and not individual; airline toilets don't count in this)?

It's the homosexual aspect that has the GOP all freaked out. I think he should go for being an asshat and seriously breaking the conventions associated with restrooms -- and managing to be so incredibly stupid that he got busted. Perhaps Miss SC Teen USA coached him.

The offense is apparently serious enough that there are laws about it. That's enough to call for his resignation.
 
2007-08-30 07:59:17 PM
eraser8: mindbuzz writes: It sounds as though the policeman was trying to give the Senator a break...

Exactly.

A few of little known facts:

1) Policemen are not stupid.
2) Policemen do not like to be lied to.
3) Whatever your excuse, the policemen has heard it before.

Lying to a cop is the worst thing you can do in this kind of situation. Either tell him the whole truth...or keep your damn mouth shut and wait for a lawyer.


I want to hear from all the guys who have been wrongly accused as a result of the sting.

Anyone?
 
2007-08-30 07:59:22 PM
jst3p writes: He asked for sex in public.

The particular ritual used by Craig is for those wanting sex in the bathroom. So, yes, he asked for sex in public. And the sex he was after was public sex.
 
2007-08-30 08:00:04 PM
TheWrongTrousers: Why is it illegal to seek a sex partner?

I could see trying to find a prostitute (illegal) or
actually having sex in the public bathroom (illegal in public).
But what's with this being illegal? He didn't actually have sex with anyone.
Someone please explain the law to me.


Yeah, I don't get it either. I can go up to a man in a bar and ask him if he wants to have sex, but if I ask him in the bathroom I am committing a crime?
 
2007-08-30 08:00:18 PM
Mor Beal
i'm in college, and i only own jeans. they're stiff enough that they don't fall to the floor-- it's just never been a problem. even when i did own nice pants (which was a looong time ago), i just kept the waist up over my knees. but your wife is right, i wouldn't want my clothes touching those floors.
 
2007-08-30 08:00:25 PM
jst3p writes: I wasn't aware that he had sex in public.

Enticing another to commit a crime is itself a crime.
 
2007-08-30 08:00:33 PM
What I really don't understand is how tapping your foot and reaching under the stall divider is grounds for arrest. Is there really a law against soliciting sex that allows you to be charged when you didn't actually verbalize the request? Besides, how can you be arrested for asking an adult for sex.. especially if you didn't offer money.
 
2007-08-30 08:00:38 PM
JohnnyC: I just don't understand where it in any way sounds like he was trying to get laid? *shrug*

In times like these, you need Slate.com

Link (new window)
 
2007-08-30 08:01:56 PM
eraser8: jst3p writes: He asked for sex in public.

The particular ritual used by Craig is for those wanting sex in the bathroom. So, yes, he asked for sex in public. And the sex he was after was public sex.


So asking someone if they want to have sex in public is a crime? Seems a bit draconian to me.
 
2007-08-30 08:03:07 PM
eraser8: jst3p writes: I wasn't aware that he had sex in public.

Enticing another to commit a crime is itself a crime.


I am too lazy to google it, but I thought enticing someone to commit a felony was a crime.
 
2007-08-30 08:04:11 PM
AndreMA: Public bathrooms (and locker rooms and fitting rooms) are a special case, though -- a place that's not a private residence in which people undress to some degree. There's etiquette involved, particularly concerning physical boundaries, speech, and where one gazes.

These facilities tend to be unisex, eliminating possible heterosexual solicitation unless one first violates the huge taboo of the male or female symbol on the door. Would we have the same problem with straights if public restrooms were unisex (and not individual; airline toilets don't count in this)?

It's the homosexual aspect that has the GOP all freaked out. I think he should go for being an asshat and seriously breaking the conventions associated with restrooms -- and managing to be so incredibly stupid that he got busted. Perhaps Miss SC Teen USA coached him.

The offense is apparently serious enough that there are laws about it. That's enough to call for his resignation.

It's true that it is a breach of the code of conduct in these places. Admittedly, I'd be pissed off at somebody who came onto me in the crapper. However, I'm also pissed at people who call women c***s, but I don't actually think that should be illegal. There needs to be a certain threshold for crime, one well above simply shocking or rude- that's why we have our first amendment. (Not saying it covers this case- just exists for related reasons.)
 
2007-08-30 08:04:17 PM
Sen. Craig: "I just want to keep this quiet."

As does most people when they bump up against Johnny Law.
No matter how trivial or serious the 'crime'.
 
2007-08-30 08:04:24 PM
eraser8: jst3p writes: He asked for sex in public.

The particular ritual used by Craig is for those wanting sex in the bathroom. So, yes, he asked for sex in public. And the sex he was after was public sex.


*intones lawyer voice*

Speculation, your honor!
 
2007-08-30 08:05:15 PM
www.thecuteproject.com

This thread is so gay.
 
2007-08-30 08:05:17 PM
Erm, I fail at quotation. The last paragraph is mine.
 
2007-08-30 08:05:35 PM
jst3p asks: So asking someone if they want to have sex in public is a crime?

So asking someone to commit murder is a crime? Yep.

Enticing people to commit crimes is itself criminal.
 
2007-08-30 08:08:10 PM
jst3p writes: I am too lazy to google it, but I thought enticing someone to commit a felony was a crime.

And certain misdemeanors too.
 
2007-08-30 08:08:29 PM
To the gay farkers:

Have you ever/Do you ever do this?

Do you know if it works?

He pleaded guilty, so he knew he was guilty of something, right?
 
2007-08-30 08:08:32 PM
i194.photobucket.com

Tap Fap Tap...

/I am .so. enjoying this thread...
 
2007-08-30 08:10:11 PM
eraser8: jst3p asks: So asking someone if they want to have sex in public is a crime?

So asking someone to commit murder is a crime? Yep.


Poor analogy. Would asking someone if they would like to murder someone a crime?


Enticing people to commit crimes is itself criminal.


Again, I think that only applies to felonies, he isn't charged with enticing anyone to commit a crime.
 
2007-08-30 08:10:46 PM
eraser8: jst3p writes: I am too lazy to google it, but I thought enticing someone to commit a felony was a crime.

And certain misdemeanors too.


Is public sex one of them? Please cite a source.
 
2007-08-30 08:11:38 PM
eraser8: jst3p asks: So asking someone if they want to have sex in public is a crime?

So asking someone to commit murder is a crime? Yep.

Enticing people to commit crimes is itself criminal.


since when does asking always = "enticing"?

want to go skydiving?

stop enticing me!!!!
 
2007-08-30 08:12:18 PM
eraser8: jst3p asks: So asking someone if they want to have sex in public is a crime?

So asking someone to commit murder is a crime? Yep.

Enticing people to commit crimes is itself criminal.


Are you saying that publicly asking someone for sex is criminal, or that asking someone to publicly have sex is criminal?

/confused
//and tongue-tied
 
2007-08-30 08:13:00 PM
thenateman: Even if all the allegations were true, what would be wrong with it? Lots of people want to give/get anonymous head, why does this make a pariah?

Because this particular guy takes a public stance against homosexuals. A great deal of his political contributions and voter capital was garnered on the basis of "traditional family values" which is neocon/Christian-right code for "separate rights or better yet no rights for queers".

Certainly there are a lot of people who just have a problem with him being gay, but most of the Farkers posting here have a problem with him being a hypocrite and for trying to literally use the "elected official card" to get out of this. He actually produced a senatorial business card when arrested.
 
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