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(Some Guy)   Obama admits, "So much of what we talk about, so much of what we say, it's not true, people know it's not true, all the insiders understand that we're just game-playing"   (hosted.ap.org) divider line 184
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2007-08-23 07:55:34 AM  
Wow, a politicial honest enough to admit politics is about lies and misleading people? This guy might be for real.
 
2007-08-23 07:56:22 AM  
political = politician
 
2007-08-23 08:03:39 AM  
Obama gets my vote simply because he seems intent on bucking the system. Year in and year out we hear the same old plans and promises from candidates, yet no one challenges the actual impedance to solving the problems: the system itself.

Seriously, I'm willing to bet we'd be better off with an entire freshman Congress, filled with people who are problem solvers (process managers, operations leaders, manufacturing engineers, etc), with absolutely no political experience whatsoever.

Obama is a step in that direction.
 
2007-08-23 08:10:15 AM  
Bonkthat_Again: Obama gets my vote simply because he seems intent on bucking the system. Year in and year out we hear the same old plans and promises from candidates, yet no one challenges the actual impedance to solving the problems: the system itself.

Seriously, I'm willing to bet we'd be better off with an entire freshman Congress, filled with people who are problem solvers (process managers, operations leaders, manufacturing engineers, etc), with absolutely no political experience whatsoever.

Obama is a step in that direction.


Quick, without using any sources, what did Obama do for a living before being elected to the Senate?
 
2007-08-23 08:15:46 AM  
Boojum2k: Quick, without using any sources, what did Obama do for a living before being elected to the Senate?

More than Bush did before becoming a governor.
 
2007-08-23 08:16:14 AM  
I've been on the Obama bandwagon for 2 years. Glad to see some others are coming around as well. The thing about him is that he doesn't try to be all things to all people. I love-LOVE the fact that, even though he had a political career in front of him, he put in his book about his experimentation with cocaine when he was very young. It's not a big thing, but by being HONEST about his mistakes, that shows REAL CHARACTER. Give me a guy like that ANY day over Mr. "I can't think of a single mistake I ever made" Bush.
 
2007-08-23 08:17:26 AM  
Boojum2k: Quick, without using any sources, what did Obama do for a living before being elected to the Senate?

He was a state-level representative. Before that he was head of the Harvard Law Review. Yes, he's a lawyer.
 
2007-08-23 08:19:31 AM  
Lionel Mandrake: More than Bush did before becoming a governor.

What does that have to do with my question, besides being startlingly inaccurate.

Bonkthat_Again suggested people who are problem solvers, with political experience. . . non-political types.

Now, since you want to jump in, what did OBama do before becoming Senator?
 
2007-08-23 08:19:37 AM  
Bonkthat_Again: manufacturing engineers

We act like complete dicks to anyone who is percieved to be in the way, we have little tolerance for things not being done RIGHT NOW, and we curse like sailors. We wouldn't want or be able to survive in government.
 
2007-08-23 08:21:36 AM  
SurfaceTension: Boojum2k: Quick, without using any sources, what did Obama do for a living before being elected to the Senate?

He was a state-level representative. Before that he was head of the Harvard Law Review. Yes, he's a lawyer.


So, he's not really ever been a political outsider, has he?
 
2007-08-23 08:27:40 AM  
Boojum2k: So, he's not really ever been a political outsider, has he?

My god, you're right! BURN THE WITCH! BURN HIM! HE TURNED ME INTO A NEWT!

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/I got better
 
2007-08-23 08:29:55 AM  
Cordwainer Deathbird: My god, you're right!

Sarcasm aside, why would supporters try to sell him as a step towards some populist, grassroots style of governance, when he is in fact not?

Let him stand or fall on his own strengths and weaknesses.
 
2007-08-23 08:45:58 AM  
Boojum2k:

why would supporters try to sell him as a step towards some populist, grassroots style of governance, when he is in fact not?

tbn0.google.com

I'd say because it works. In other words, because it works is what I'd say.
 
2007-08-23 08:49:10 AM  
SherKhan: I'd say because it works.

Okay, so basically, he's the same as Bush, only a Democrat.

I find it odd that none of his supporters are able to give straight answers to simple questions.
 
2007-08-23 08:50:06 AM  
Quick, without using any sources, what did Obama do for a living before being elected to the Senate?

He was a state-level representative. Before that he was head of the Harvard Law Review. Yes, he's a lawyer.


Actually, after being the head of the Harvard law review, and before being a state rep, he was a political organizer in Chicago, advocating for the poor people in Cabrini Green.
 
2007-08-23 08:50:10 AM  
Boojum2k: Let him stand or fall on his own strengths and weaknesses.

From what I'm observing, that's what he's trying to do. It seems to be mainly his opponents portraying him as an inexperienced outsider. Obama's embracing it, probably because he thinks it'll help his cause.

Of course he's an insider. Insider politicians portray themselves as outsiders in every election, on both sides. It's an old trick, and I find it amusing that you act so offended that Obama's doing it now. I'm sure if Romney, McCain, Edwards, and Clinton thought they could get away with it, they would try.

Guess what folks: politicians are not here to help you. They're here to get elected, grab power, lather, rinse and repeat, as many times as they can get away with it. That goes for Obama, McCain, Clinton, Romney, and any other candidate you can name.
 
2007-08-23 08:52:14 AM  
Looking at my statement above, I realize I contradicted myself a little, by starting with one thought and then pursuing another instead. I'm going to drop my first statement and stick with the rest of what I wrote.

/he's a flip-flopper! GET HIM!
 
2007-08-23 08:52:33 AM  
Sarcasm aside, why would supporters try to sell him as a step towards some populist, grassroots style of governance, when he is in fact not?

Um...you think he's MORE connected than the wife of a former president or LESS connected? How about the son of a senator?

Srsly, what qualifies as, populist grassroots in your view, if he doesn't? Some guy who quits his job as an insurance agent/baker/traffic cop one day and decides to run for president?
 
2007-08-23 08:53:35 AM  
Cordwainer Deathbird: Boojum2k: Let him stand or fall on his own strengths and weaknesses.

From what I'm observing, that's what he's trying to do. It seems to be mainly his opponents portraying him as an inexperienced outsider. Obama's embracing it, probably because he thinks it'll help his cause.

Of course he's an insider. Insider politicians portray themselves as outsiders in every election, on both sides. It's an old trick, and I find it amusing that you act so offended that Obama's doing it now. I'm sure if Romney, McCain, Edwards, and Clinton thought they could get away with it, they would try.

Guess what folks: politicians are not here to help you. They're here to get elected, grab power, lather, rinse and repeat, as many times as they can get away with it. That goes for Obama, McCain, Clinton, Romney, and any other candidate you can name.


Read back, I haven't said anything about how Obama has portrayed himself, I've spoken specifically about how he is portrayed by his supporters, mainly those on Fark.
 
2007-08-23 08:53:52 AM  
Boojum2k: Sarcasm aside, why would supporters try to sell him as a step towards some populist, grassroots style of governance, when he is in fact not?

Because he is rather populist in his attitudes, but at the same time he does have those elite political connections that have allowed him to attempt a run at the presidency.

I've said this before and I'll say it again: George W. Bush might have been the guy most people wanted to have a beer with. But would you want the guys you have beers with to be President? Think about it.

Let him stand or fall on his own strengths and weaknesses.

I agree.

Just remember that strength != stubborness and weakness != cowardice. People get those confused sometimes.
 
2007-08-23 08:55:51 AM  
what_now: Sarcasm aside, why would supporters try to sell him as a step towards some populist, grassroots style of governance, when he is in fact not?

Um...you think he's MORE connected than the wife of a former president or LESS connected? How about the son of a senator?

Srsly, what qualifies as, populist grassroots in your view, if he doesn't? Some guy who quits his job as an insurance agent/baker/traffic cop one day and decides to run for president?


Someone who hasn't been working in politics and law since college. As Bonkthat_Again suggested, people who are problem solvers (process managers, operations leaders, manufacturing engineers, etc), with absolutely no political experience whatsoever.
 
2007-08-23 08:56:38 AM  
Boojum, you really are afraid of him, aren't you.

It amuses me, because let's face it, a Democrat is going to win, and if it's not him it's gonna be SheClinton.

Think about it: Hillary, with all the extra powers the executive branch has gained in the past 6 years and a sympathtic Congress.

Payback will LITERALLY be a biatch.
 
2007-08-23 08:57:11 AM  
Boojum2k: Read back, I haven't said anything about how Obama has portrayed himself, I've spoken specifically about how he is portrayed by his supporters, mainly those on Fark.

Then I misread what you said. Excuse the crap out of me.

Not being an Obama supporter, I don't really give a crap how his fanboys are portraying him. I'm more concerned with what he actually says and does. In that I see he's not much different from his fellow candidates.
 
2007-08-23 08:57:36 AM  
Boojum2k: Okay, so basically, he's the same as Bush, only a Democrat.

No. Basically, the appeal of the sales pitch is the same.

I watched a bit of his appearance last night and found the aw shucks and chuckling over the vapidity of the process disconcerting. Anger was the result.
 
2007-08-23 09:00:42 AM  
what_now: Boojum, you really are afraid of him, aren't you.

It amuses me, because let's face it, a Democrat is going to win, and if it's not him it's gonna be SheClinton.

Think about it: Hillary, with all the extra powers the executive branch has gained in the past 6 years and a sympathtic Congress.

Payback will LITERALLY be a biatch.


I'm likely voting Democrat for President, there's a couple of decent Republicans, but for various reasons I think it may be better to have a Dem in the White House.

Right now, it comes down to Obama and Hillary. Hillary i a known quantity, her strengths and weaknesses have been made clear long before, and she's still qualified to be President.

Obama is the only other realistic Dem candidate, and I want to know more about him, without the bullshiat. And what I get, instead, from his supporters, is bullshiat.
 
2007-08-23 09:00:51 AM  
i9.tinypic.com

FTFA: "I think that's part of what people are looking at our campaign to see, just some normalcy and some common sense," he said.
 
2007-08-23 09:02:46 AM  
Someone who hasn't been working in politics and law since college...

...Has no interest WHATSOEVER in being president. And I don't blame them. Hell, the average guy on the street would make a better president than 90% of the candidates we've had in the past 10 years, (Obama excepted, in my mind) but that guy doesn't want the job, because then his kids would be called, "Chelsea the Family dog", or "Jenna the whore" etc etc, and, if he was sucessful in business, he'd be taking a PAYCUT.

This fantasy you have of Joe Everyman, captain of industry, coming out of no where and sweeping the electorate off of it's feet is nonsense, ESPECIALLY considering the next guy is going to have a clusterfark in the mid east, a huge deficit and the anger of the rest of the world.
 
2007-08-23 09:03:38 AM  
SherKhan: Boojum2k: Okay, so basically, he's the same as Bush, only a Democrat.

No. Basically, the appeal of the sales pitch is the same.

I watched a bit of his appearance last night and found the aw shucks and chuckling over the vapidity of the process disconcerting. Anger was the result.


Worked for Bill Clinton, but then Obama is not quite that smooth. Yet.
 
2007-08-23 09:04:40 AM  
and I want to know more about him, without the bullshiat. And what I get, instead, from his supporters, is bullshiat.


Ok...well what do you want to know? And why would you look for information on a candiate on fark? look HERE: http://www.barackobama.com/
 
2007-08-23 09:05:26 AM  
Link (new window)

Opps. Sorry, no pops.
 
2007-08-23 09:06:12 AM  
what_now: Someone who hasn't been working in politics and law since college...

...Has no interest WHATSOEVER in being president. And I don't blame them. Hell, the average guy on the street would make a better president than 90% of the candidates we've had in the past 10 years, (Obama excepted, in my mind) but that guy doesn't want the job, because then his kids would be called, "Chelsea the Family dog", or "Jenna the whore" etc etc, and, if he was sucessful in business, he'd be taking a PAYCUT.

This fantasy you have of Joe Everyman, captain of industry, coming out of no where and sweeping the electorate off of it's feet is nonsense, ESPECIALLY considering the next guy is going to have a clusterfark in the mid east, a huge deficit and the anger of the rest of the world.


Hey, what_now, lean close to your screen. Yeah, closer.

It's not my farking fantasy, I was responding to a characterization of Obama by another TFer. Now either learn to read or STFU & GBTW
 
2007-08-23 09:08:15 AM  
what_now: and I want to know more about him, without the bullshiat. And what I get, instead, from his supporters, is bullshiat.


Ok...well what do you want to know? And why would you look for information on a candiate on fark? look HERE: http://www.barackobama.com/


I did mention I'm trying to avoid bullshiat, right? Well, normally Farkers are good at cutting through the bullshiat, but you must have stars in your eyes if you think I'm finding out much meaningful about him from his own website.
 
2007-08-23 09:12:28 AM  
Lighten up, Francis.

I will type slowly so you can understand:

Bonkthat said, "Obama is a step in that direction."

He didn't actually CALL him a mechanical engineer!! He said it would be NICE if we had a Congress made up of non-pols, much like it would be NICE if you and I could discuss this while riding my pet unicorn to the moon.

You then, claimed that he is NOT a political outsider, which is true- to a point- he is a senator. However, when compared with Romney or Clinton or Thompson, he IS an outsider. Which is why people support him!! He is MORE LIKELY to understand the AVERAGE person than people who have NEVER BEEN the average person, or who haven't been in over 20 years!!!
 
2007-08-23 09:12:36 AM  
Boojum2k: Obama is the only other realistic Dem candidate, and I want to know more about him, without the bullshiat. And what I get, instead, from his supporters, is bullshiat.

What do you want to know?

BTW, Hillary scares the heck out of me. I get the sense that her governing style would be more like Bush, except with some brains. She just strikes me as more Authoritarian (pops) than Obama would ever be. And if there's one thing this country doesn't need, it's another Authoritarian at the helm.
 
2007-08-23 09:14:26 AM  
you think I'm finding out much meaningful about him from his own website

Well..you'll find out his position on things, which, unlike Romney, he probably won't change too much if he gets elected.
 
2007-08-23 09:19:09 AM  
what_now: Bonkthat said, "Obama is a step in that direction."

He didn't actually CALL him a mechanical engineer!! He said it would be NICE if we had a Congress made up of non-pols, much like it would be NICE if you and I could discuss this while riding my pet unicorn to the moon.

You then, claimed that he is NOT a political outsider, which is true- to a point- he is a senator. However, when compared with Romney or Clinton or Thompson, he IS an outsider. Which is why people support him!! He is MORE LIKELY to understand the AVERAGE person than people who have NEVER BEEN the average person, or who haven't been in over 20 years!!!


Hence my question about what he did before he became Senator. Surprise, he's a lifelong politician. I looked up his background while you and others blew smoke up my ass, and no surprise, he's a poli-sci/law type.

Which is fine, so are many candidates, but please don't give me the "but he's different" shiat, everyone says that about their candidate.

How would he function, as President? Can he be decisive under pressure? How has this been demonstrated? How would he react in an immediate crisis?
 
2007-08-23 09:21:23 AM  
Bonkthat_Again: Obama gets my vote simply because he seems intent on bucking the system.

Nothing says bucking the system like being elected with the help of Mayor Daley.

If Obama were really bucking the system, he would be in Kucinich country, poll-wise. Since he accepts the system in a lot of forms, he's a frontrunner.
 
2007-08-23 09:21:33 AM  
SurfaceTension: Hillary scares the heck out of me. I get the sense that her governing style would be more like Bush, except with some brains.

Part of the reason I like her, capable of being decisive, but smart about it.

Obama caught my attention during 2004, he definitely has potential. . .
 
2007-08-23 09:22:06 AM  
Boojum2k: How would he react in an immediate crisis?

He'd call the President of Canada.
 
2007-08-23 09:22:34 AM  
RobbieFal: Boojum2k: How would he react in an immediate crisis?

He'd call the President of Canada.


Ouch!
 
2007-08-23 09:28:36 AM  
Seriously, when it comes to Obama and Pakistan.. it's pandering. I would hope a President is smart enough to realize that he can't just put American troops into hostile territory (the Northwest Frontier) without any support on the ground.
 
2007-08-23 09:32:38 AM  
Was he smoking pot at the time?
 
2007-08-23 09:35:18 AM  
Lionel Mandrake: Boojum2k: Quick, without using any sources, what did Obama do for a living before being elected to the Senate?

More than Bush did before becoming a governor.


Obama's father was CIA director, Chairmen of the GOP, Ambassador to China, VP, and President, while his grandfather was a senator?

No. Obama did NOT accomplish more than W. Of course, what Obama did was the result of his OWN work and intellect, but that is beside the point.
 
2007-08-23 09:38:51 AM  
Well, that does it. I have no choice now. I stated many years ago that if a serious presidential candidate made this public admission, he/she would have my vote.

So there it is...I am now advocating Obama for President.

Go B.O.!
 
2007-08-23 09:39:26 AM  
Hang On Voltaire: Was he smoking pot at the time?

That might get my vote. Drug laws in this country are massively screwed up.
 
2007-08-23 09:40:20 AM  
This is why I vote for myself in the presidential elections.
 
2007-08-23 09:43:45 AM  
franklarosa.com

Not impressed.
 
2007-08-23 09:44:01 AM  
Supercheeks: This is why I vote for myself in the presidential elections.

Yeah. How's that been working out for ya?
 
2007-08-23 09:48:31 AM  
(Sorry, had to do actual work)

How would he function, as President? Can he be decisive under pressure? How has this been demonstrated? How would he react in an immediate crisis?

Ok. Good questions. As a community leader/advocate he started a voter registration drive for people who had never voted before, in an effort to vote out poltical leaders who were ignoring their constituents. He organized a group of citizens in one of the worst ghettos in Chicago to try and clean up the area.

Obviously, there's a lot of that you can't know about anyone- how would he have reacted on 9/11? I don't know. I don't know how *I* would have reacted on 9/11, because I was too busy curled in the fetal position, crying ( I live in a major city).
 
2007-08-23 09:50:00 AM  
Wait a politician saying all politicians lie. Was he lying about that, therefor all politicians do not lie, but he just lied. QED Obama is the worst of the bunch.
 
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