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pedrop357		2007-08-22 02:06:40 PM

I wonder, has it ever occurred to anyone that if something is such a big threat worthy of immediate suspension, you wouldn't have to reach back 8.3 years to find an example?

logictwisted		2007-08-22 02:09:11 PM

I wonder.. if someone draws a heart on a note, is that sexual harassment?

"B.G. + T.W. 4ever" has GOT to be an expulsion.

More discipline only works when it's the RIGHT discipline.

eDork		2007-08-22 02:10:21 PM

The place looks like a lifeless dump to me. Maybe during the three days of suspension the kid could actually learn something. Even the name is funny... Payne Junior High School.

http://ww2.chandler.k12.az.us/paynejh.html

gezortenplotz		2007-08-22 02:13:27 PM

logictwisted More discipline only works when it's the RIGHT discipline.

There is only one kind of discipline and that's self-discipline, anything else has to be filed under 'Punshiment.'

Franklin Delano Bluth		2007-08-22 02:15:48 PM

mediaho: Ooops: ANGER IS THE RESULT!

Again, what is this reference?

www.thesmokinggun.com

jshine		2007-08-22 02:18:43 PM

They should sue. If enough victims of these silly overreactions sued the respective school districts, the hemorrhage of cash that the lawsuits cause would eventually force a reconsideration of such draconian policies.

antiFodder		2007-08-22 02:20:22 PM

Administrative Asshatery in Arizona?

This is a job for:
www.bauleros.org

GrooveMonkeyZero		2007-08-22 02:20:53 PM

jshine: If enough victims of these silly overreactions sued the respective school districts, the hemorrhage of cash that the lawsuits cause would eventually force ~~a reconsideration of such draconian policies.~~ a big ass property tax increase

FTFY

mike_d85		2007-08-22 02:22:48 PM

sixtymonkeys, okami36, codenamewizard:

You guys are super-humungoid nerds and as such:
www.scamper.net

/I'm just a regular nerd...

jshine		2007-08-22 02:23:20 PM

GrooveMonkeyZero:FTFY

Yes, the "we need to increase your taxes to pay for legal defense after making stupid decisions" line will go over very well. It may happen in a few communities, but if this became a trend you can bet that the majority of districts would be intelligent enough to avoid the morass.

Scrophulous Barking Duck		2007-08-22 02:24:12 PM

Aleph Nought: Sooo... If he bit a gun shape out of his sandwich would that be the death penalty?

My son and his friends used to make guns out of Lego blocks in kindergarden. When they got in trouble for that, they started biting their bread in to guns.

We had all kinds of stupid problems with the schools. My son got grief for wearing white socks with a dark pair of pants. He and his friends were not meeting some standard of social conformity, so they were forced to play volleyball at recess when they just wanted to play in the playground.

I got talked to twice because my daughter's hair was messy and she would, therefore, not have any friends. Her hair was, of course, brushed when she went to school. It was just a bit wavy and got messy pretty fast, and at 5 or 6 years old, she didn't care much about brushing here hair.

I eventually gave up and home schooled my kids.

jshine		2007-08-22 02:26:46 PM

GrooveMonkeyZero:FTFY

Also, let's just say that after my experience in public schools, if/when I have kids I wouldn't hesitate to sue the district. Some people, such as the bitter pubic school administrator type, are so stupid or obstinate that they only respond to force -- in this case, the authority of the courts.

bugmn99		2007-08-22 02:27:46 PM

doctorwormwood		2007-08-22 02:27:54 PM

this is what happens when you let the women run shiat.

jshine		2007-08-22 02:29:29 PM

jshine:such as the bitter ~~pubic~~ public school administrator type

Oops

/funny though

mr_zero		2007-08-22 02:29:49 PM

Here is something I silk screened over a metal etching in high school. I won an award for it. Today they would probably send you in for some type of mental evaluation. So, it says here that you aren't happy all the time. Hmmmm.... a teenager that is not always happy, well have to put you on a list.

Franklin Delano Bluth		2007-08-22 02:30:43 PM

bugmn99

so.awesome.

nativefloridian		2007-08-22 02:31:44 PM

jshine, GrooveMonkeyZero

I'd sue. But I'd phrase it this way: If I win, you can take one of two actions:

a) Pay me [insert huge sum here]

c) Pay my attorney's fees and change your stupid policy

Your choice.

/the answer is always c

mediaho		2007-08-22 02:33:24 PM

Thank you, FDB.

Candykitten		2007-08-22 02:34:03 PM

I use to draw humanoid fruits catching, torturing and eventually slow cooking and eating humanoid vegatables.

jshine		2007-08-22 02:34:06 PM

nativefloridian:I'd sue. But I'd phrase it this way: If I win, you can take one of two actions:

Oh, absolutely. In addition, I'd demand that the incident be expunged from any official school records. If you actually try to extort cash from the district, it'd make you into a pariah in the community.

/the law should be a shield, not a sword
//i'm sure that's a quote from somewhere, but I forget.

shichimenshyo		2007-08-22 02:35:10 PM

Man I loved to draw guns and graphic ninja violence in schools. I did also send a instant message that said Frogs will kill you all to a friend in class in 8th grade and I got suspended for 3 days. ........I BLAME THE NINJA TURTLES!...and frogs.

/just ban drawing

GrooveMonkeyZero		2007-08-22 02:35:27 PM

jshine: Yes, the "we need to increase your taxes to pay for legal defense after making stupid decisions"

That's just my mistrust of government spending coming out. I do however, think they would probably try to get more funding, either by local tax increases marketed under the "Think of the children!" banner, or simply skim it off the state budget so a local state rep could claim he's so pro-education in the next election.

So yeah, I'm jaded. Not that it'd stop me from suing the pants off a school if this sort of thing happened. So we sorta agree.

nativefloridian		2007-08-22 02:37:47 PM

jshine:

/the law should be a shield, not a sword
//i'm sure that's a quote from somewhere, but I forget.

I like that phrase too. And, like you, I have no idea where it came from

Franklin Delano Bluth		2007-08-22 02:38:20 PM

mediaho: Thank you, FDB.

Np, that smoking gun page is worth a read. Some of those descriptions are poetic

thelordofcheese		2007-08-22 02:40:39 PM

bugmn99 2007-08-22 02:27:46 PM

That is the most awesome thing I've ever seen.

mike_d85		2007-08-22 02:41:17 PM

bugmn99 It seems a little unstable... I'd use a hedge trimmer.

TheJoeY		2007-08-22 02:49:59 PM

Back when I was a kid, I'd draw massive wars with stick figures.
... and when they started requiring red pens as school supplies, hoo boy.

I was also influenced by Doom, and one of my writing projects in school (I'm thinking fourth grade) was titled "BFG Boy" and took many red crayons to illustrate.

So what did I get suspended for in Middle School? Shortly after Columbine I remarked to my friends that if I saw anyone on the roof of the high school (which was across the football field), I'm getting my ass inside before I get sniped.

TexasPeace		2007-08-22 02:54:28 PM

This harmless daydreaming artistic kid is now an enraged psychopath, seeking revenge upon those who unjustly punished him.

Wogus		2007-08-22 02:55:33 PM

jshine:

/the law should be a shield, not a sword
//i'm sure that's a quote from somewhere, but I forget.

nativefloridian:
I like that phrase too. And, like you, I have no idea where it came from

I heard the phrase on... was it Law & Order?

CSI?

Something like that.

nativefloridian		2007-08-22 03:05:59 PM

Just googled it.

The law should be a shield, not a sword.
-- Howard Schumacher

Now I have no idea who Howard Schumacher is.

pizza_crust		2007-08-22 03:07:06 PM

isn't arizona an open carry state?

Ant		2007-08-22 03:13:13 PM

pizza_crust: isn't arizona an open carry state?

Isn't Arizona a "must-be-sane-to-be-a-high-ranking-school-official" state?

Cato		2007-08-22 03:13:32 PM

For all the liberals asking, "How is this our fault?" remember, it wasn't the right who suddenly decided all guns are evil and give off invisible psychosis rays such that anyone who touches them immediately wants to go on a killing spree. It isn't the right who is so scared of guns that they want to take them all out of the hands of their law-abiding neighbors.

It IS the right who still understands that there are few inventions in human history that have caused more good for more people than the firearm. Firearms in the hands of the common people are what ended feudalism and brought about democracy and liberty -- without them, the rich had a complete monopoly on the means of violence. As Patrick Henry said, one of the foremost goals of a free state should be to see that ALL its citizens are armed, because that is and has always been the root of all freedom.

Everyone but the left it seems still knows that and still believes it. So, who else do you blame when you see people so freaked out about guns that even a drawing of one sends people into a panic and is seen as "threatening"?

\Drew all sorts of interesting things in high school
\\Friends and I would have running battles, on paper, with ourselves as characters. He'd draw himself shooting me with a rocket-launcher, so then I'd draw myself dropping an anvil on his head, etc.
\\\This is normal.

greyspace		2007-08-22 03:15:34 PM

kshilcutt: I once got sent to detention for having a Bible with me (

Man. I'm an atheist but this is farking ridiculous. The school is aware that the bible is one of the world's great works of literature?

/I'm glad I don't have kids and have to deal with this crap?

RaggedDruid		2007-08-22 03:20:29 PM

PirateKing: Also, I used to draw pictures of jet planes using lighting beams to electrocute armies of skeletons wearing sombreros.

The sombrero didn't mean anything, it's just the only kind of hat I could draw at the time.

No wonder you're a FARKer.

loki see loki do: Boy, what would htey say about my third grade 'strip-rape-toture-kill' Rube Goldberg machine drawings?

Come to think of it, I was a weird kid...

Bit of a NIN fan, weren't you? :p

Psychomancer		2007-08-22 03:23:10 PM

pizza_crust: isn't arizona an open carry state?

Yes. And getting a CCW is pretty simple, too.

Charlie Freak		2007-08-22 03:24:01 PM

I always drew pictures of me shooting kids that were on my lawn.

Really, though, the one that got me suspended was in 8th grade science class: we had a sub, we'll just call him Mr. Reed. Mr. Reed was a fairly high-strung, red in the face, take no shiat from the students kind of dude. The guy who sat next to me was one of those guys who could draw just about anything - even his handwriting looked arty and cool. So we're trading insults while we're supposed to be working on our dittos, yeah, that's right, dittos. He wrote something to the effect of "You Suck Lollipops" on my sprial-bound to which I responded by taking a big, green, permanent marker and writing "DIE" really big on his ditto.

The dude went up to get a new ditto to replace the one I had ruined and LEFT THE OLD ONE ON THE TEACHER'S DESK.

So, we're a few minutes back into our dittos and all of a sudden we get grabbed by the back of our collars and practically carried outside where Mr. Reed, three shades of purple swore at us, pushed us into the wall, and basically accused us of threatening his life.

We got to do the carpet dance in front of the VP, who rolled her eyes and said she had no choice but to suspend us, even though she believed we weren't doing anything wrong other than goofing off. On the bright side, I got a day off out of it.

/This was in '91.
//I think I used to design rudimentary nuclear weapons in class, not to mention drawing thousands of airplanes, guns, tanks, starships, and all-out war scenes.
///Adults today are pussies, and I'm ashamed to say that many of them are my generation - probably the kids who used to get offended by such drawings.
////Zero-tolerance sucks because you can NEVER TAKE IT BACK, for it would look like you're condoning the behavior that was previously banned.

mooseyfate		2007-08-22 03:26:33 PM

Candykitten: I use to draw humanoid fruits catching, torturing and eventually slow cooking and eating humanoid vegatables.

I...I think I love you...

/seriously, though, that sounds like an awesome premise for a comic book
//Maybe written and illustrated by Jhonen Vasquez
///It's right up his alley...

kelmeister		2007-08-22 03:41:18 PM

Charlie Freak: I have a similar story...

When I was in fourth grade (maybe?) I made a whole bunch of homemade bookmarks (sad, I know). One read:

TOO MUCH HURTS YOUR BUTT

by which I meant that if you sit on your ass reading for long stretches of time, your ass is eventually going to hurt. But the bus driver, who discovered it after it fell out of one of my books, believed I was making some sort of crazy homophobic/pro-gay sex/advocating anal rape statement and screamed at me about my godless upbringing in front of a bus load of children, many of whom were much younger than me. I had no idea what she was talking about, but it scared the living crap out of me, especially when she threatened to call the school and the cops on my parents, who were obviously either abusing or sexually molesting me.

The next morning, my mother, God bless her, laid holy hell down on that woman. And from that point on, I was driven to school.

I imagine if that same thing were to happen today, I'd be in foster care so fast my head would spin.

Myself248		2007-08-22 03:49:56 PM

Randy Cassingham, who writes the This is TRUE newsletter, has an anti-zero-tolerance crusade going.

The important thing is that we all stand up to this stuff. If you're in the affected district, GO TO THE NEXT SCHOOL BOARD MEETING and make sure all your friends do, too. Even if you don't have any kids in school, even if you don't take the mic, just making sure the chamber is packed will send a powerful message.

missilesilo		2007-08-22 03:51:51 PM

/got kicked out of 6th grade for bringing a cap gun

Learned Louisianian		2007-08-22 04:04:45 PM

man, I would have been SO farked. That's pretty much all I did back in high school, draw diagrams of fictional technology then try to figure out how to make them work in real life. (What was I supposed to do? Listen to some dropout read from a book and try to explain things I already know to myself, two other intelligent individuals, and a group of mouth-breathers?). Some kids need a mental challenge.

Leishu		2007-08-22 04:06:50 PM

Cato: liberals blah blah blah

Right. Because the "conservatives" of this day and age have never supported one ideology which conflicts with another which they happen to claim to support.

Newsflash to morons who want to politicize this: This is not a left-vs.-right issue inasmuch as the liberals and conservatives of today are concerned . It is a moron vs. sensible person issue and both sides of the political spectrum have both of those sorts in abundance.

kiranlightpaw		2007-08-22 04:07:44 PM

Damn, has it really gotten this bad?

Dude, I would have been totally farked in middle and high school. We used to draw pretty graphic war pictures complete with fictional firefights and everything.

Camper_Bob		2007-08-22 04:32:10 PM

YouFarkingIdiot At the same time that we are trying to design artificial intelligence to mimic the human brain, we are dumbing down humans so that they have very basic input/output rules to follow (just like computers).

Wow, that does pretty much sum up the situation, doesn't it. We have largely failed in our quest to make our machines more like us, so we compensate by making our children more like machines.

www.thegleam.com

Obdicut		2007-08-22 04:32:38 PM

Cato

You're using the phrase "the left" like it has a meaning.

You fail.

Lt_Athena		2007-08-22 04:39:28 PM

upthedownstair: When I was in elementary school in the 70's, I probably did my share of drawing/sketching guns. This was the time when Star Wars, Battlestar Galactica, and The Black Hole were the sci-fi films/shows that were around.

That's what I drew. Star Wars or Battlestar Galactica characters threatening each other with weapons and making snarky remarks. Mostly people thought I was weird. I didn't get the memo that chicks were supposed to draw homo-erotic scenes or write slash fanfic.

Judging by this, in this day and age I'd probably be expelled.

Probably. I did get some disapproving comments about violence recently when I "re-imagined" Ron Moore & David Eick's R&D production company cartoon with the original Battlestar Galactica characters invading and killing them off.

/Moore & Eick kill each other off in those things.
//Maybe it was the Bat'leth...

RockyMtnMan		2007-08-22 04:57:06 PM

CapnSkull

welcome to BAN-VILLE. population....YOU!

Pvt. Party		2007-08-22 05:07:48 PM

So kids should go see Star Wars, buy the toys, watch action shows on TV, play video games, absorb all aspects of marketed sci-fi/action/adventure/fun/cool culture and if they even so much as doodle on an assignment--they're suspended?

Nice one America.

He's a kid. Let it go. Seriously. Give him a sketch book and tell him to scribble in that and not on assignments.

/Spent most of middle school drawing entire BATTLES during freetime in homeroom.
//Turned out to be productive, tax-paying, non-homicidal contributing member of society.

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