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(Herald Tribune (SW Florida))   The "missile launcher" that was traded for new shoes during a Florida gun buyback program was actually a carrying case for an anti-tank wire-guided missile, available on eBay for $20... which, by the way, is a great price for new Nikes   (heraldtribune.com) divider line 58
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2007-08-21 12:33:59 PM  
submitter: which by the way is a great price for new Nikes

He traded it for some Reebok shoes. Either way, not a bad deal.
 
2007-08-21 12:37:43 PM  
Is anyone really surprised at this? The only people who go to gun buybacks are:

1. Old people who don't know the value of the gun they have had in the attic for 30 years. This is why you have people turning in $1,200 guns to police buybacks. They don't want to be bothered finding out the value of it.
2. Junk guns that don't work or are unsafe to shoot. (Can buy them , gunsmith specials, with my C&R license for about $20.)
3. People who try to pass off anything as a weapon so they can get free stuff.
4. Gang members trying to dispose of a gun used in a hit.
5. People who steal guns and want some money or such.

All in all, they never have and never will work. A complete waste of taxpayer money.
 
2007-08-21 12:59:28 PM  
cirby Quote 2007-08-18 03:42:11 AM

You might notice (in the linked photos in the article) that what the guy turned in was an empty launch tube, with no guidance or firing control attached. Basically, he sold them a fancy shipping tube for $50.

A winnar is you.
 
2007-08-21 02:39:31 PM  
gotta love tha ccuracy of the media. Of course it was probably some Ministry of the Fatherland who called it a rocket launcher to begin with.

farking morans.
 
2007-08-21 02:40:59 PM  
Wanted for questioning: www.boingboing.net
 
2007-08-21 02:41:17 PM  
Get some.
 
2007-08-21 02:42:20 PM  
I wonder what I can get for the actual anti-tank wire-guided missile. Screw the case.
 
2007-08-21 02:42:42 PM  
I got your tube right here!
 
2007-08-21 02:43:28 PM  
And yet, how many times are we going to hear about the 'missile launcher' that was traded in during a gun buyback...or how 'dangerous weapons like Surface to Air Missiles' are available on the streets of our cities?

This story already has legs the retraction will never catch up with. How the hell the police managed to mistake a 'tube' with a 'surface to air missile launcher' makes no sense unless they were trying to work people up and make them think that not only are SA-7s or Stingers available on the American streets, but they are so common that some people have extra ones sitting around they don't want anymore.
 
2007-08-21 02:44:22 PM  
you know those cops are sitting there picking out the best one to keep for themselves...i wouldnt be surprised when some of those guns end up on ebay
 
2007-08-21 02:44:30 PM  
but he got reboks, not nikes.
 
2007-08-21 02:45:27 PM  
Crosshair: All in all, they never have and never will work. A complete waste of taxpayer money.

'cept when they don't spend any taxpayer money and are funded by donations from local business.

I doubt this dude knew what it was and was just happy to get rid of it.
 
2007-08-21 02:46:34 PM  
vertigo32: How the hell the police managed to mistake a 'tube' with a 'surface to air missile launcher'

Same reason politicians and the media mistake hunting rifles and pistols for "assault weapons"
 
2007-08-21 02:47:23 PM  
Cops have the best guns and the best dope for the same reason - they get to pick through mountains of it they get for free.

Eventually, they find what they're looking for.

/zoink! Mine now.
 
2007-08-21 02:48:45 PM  
Ebay for $20 bucks?

Link?
 
2007-08-21 02:51:42 PM  
I use the metal boxes from artillery shells that I buy at surplus stores for cd/dvd storage. A few guests to my house have asked why I need so much ammo. I usually just say "because people piss me off" and don't bother to explain.
 
2007-08-21 02:52:28 PM  
Gun buy-backs are nothing but pathetic, feel-good, programs that do nothing to solve gun violence.

Nobody who ever intended to use a gun for any reason would ever turn it in for a pair of nikes. So these things only tend to collect weapons that are broken or were sitting in sombodies attic for years, and finally a chance was given to get something for it.
 
2007-08-21 02:52:38 PM  
not-james: Ebay for $20 bucks?

Link?



Shoot, I'll give it to you fer free:

Ebay (new window)
 
2007-08-21 02:52:49 PM  
I loved the time I saw some retard police captain hold up a shotgun and stated it was a machinegun during a press conference.
 
2007-08-21 02:54:13 PM  
He exhanged it for a pair of black, size-3 Reebok sneakers for his daughter.

That's an amazing scam he's got going there. I can see him now, the weeks of prep, the last minute Ebay snipe, haggling over the shipping. The fake drop point, making the pickup in a convincing disguise with the realistic but amusing facial hair. Switching disguises and milling in line at the exchange program, until he finally lays his hand on The Prize: Shoes for his daughter.

"Sweetie. It went off without a HITCH!"

Subby and most of you get a blue plate special of Fail Pie.

/The shoes sell for maybe 30, 40 bucks
//find your own links
///Next he'll be stealing bread.



That sell for maybe 30, 40 bucks (find your own links. I did.)
 
2007-08-21 02:55:39 PM  
Reebok, Nike? Same brand now?

Still look to be spelled differently for some reason; maybe it's the "Z" in them both...
 
2007-08-21 02:56:39 PM  
Here's one in action.
 
2007-08-21 02:58:40 PM  
Cute.

Was looking looking for the link that said that they were selling them for 20 bucks.
 
2007-08-21 03:01:25 PM  
as mentioned above, these gun buybacks are a great way to dispose of evidence.

And they cost the taxpayers a fortune, and they don't do any good. It's not like they get guns out of the hands of criminals. You think a criminal who used guns for crime is going to give all his guns away for something he can steal?

And many important relics that are rare and valuable are destroyed by these gun grabs. but it's your government, and you're free to elect these people if you like these policies.

I think if you spent this money on gun safety classes in all public schools you would see more (less!) bang for the buck.
 
2007-08-21 03:03:58 PM  
Bresin: I wonder what I can get for the actual anti-tank wire-guided missile. Screw the case.

A pair of unreleased Ron Mexico Nikes.
 
2007-08-21 03:10:00 PM  
Your mistletoe is no match for my TOW missile!
 
2007-08-21 03:12:07 PM  
I remember when we were young a friend of mine took a Testes model rocket and modified it so that it could be fired from a rail mounted in a old carpet tube that was about 4-5 feet long and painted green with the firing trigger mounted as a handle. (This is back in say 1981 or so

Our 'Bazooka' allowed us to fire model rockets close to horizontal which was a lot of fun. I remember riding our bikes from the school yard where we were playing with it and a cop stopped us. That was a long uncomfortable conversation that did not go well. I think we were escorted home and advised not to take the 'bazooka' out in public again.

****************

My friend the same year made a model 3-mile Island from clay which we packed with all the powder from a few hundred fire crackers we opened up and a gross of snakes. We lit that sucker up an video taped it.... That was fun also.
 
2007-08-21 03:13:41 PM  
How much does it cost the taxpayer to destroy the guns collected? My guess is "not much".
 
2007-08-21 03:13:51 PM  
I used to have one of the empties in my den. Always meant to convert it to an ashtray. The tube just houses a missile, you need the weapon system to actually get it to fire.
 
2007-08-21 03:18:26 PM  
not-james: Cute.

Was looking looking for the link that said that they were selling them for 20 bucks.



A quick scan of Ebay didn't turn up the tubes, but did turn up some brackets and covers for their mounting on a HMMWV, in the $20 - $30 dollar range. I would expect that an empty fiberglass tube would fetch somewhere in that neighborhood.
 
2007-08-21 03:19:18 PM  
I've fired the TOW on both the Bradley Fighting Vehicle and on a Humvee, and the missile tube is pretty nondescript. Even one of our admin clerks didn't recognize it as a missile tube when we were loading some simulator rounds into the arms room.

It's just a plain OD green tube with a "belly button" that links into the firing system. There's no pistol grip or sights on it or anything, where you might mistake it for an AT-4 or an RPG-7, or some sort of shoulder-fired missile launcher.
 
2007-08-21 03:20:19 PM  
fatal_exception Quote 2007-08-21 02:51:42 PM
I use the metal boxes from artillery shells that I buy at surplus stores for cd/dvd storage. A few guests to my house have asked why I need so much ammo. I usually just say "because people piss me off" and don't bother to explain.

how many people stop by your place...once?
 
2007-08-21 03:21:31 PM  
pizant: How much does it cost the taxpayer to destroy the guns collected? My guess is "not much".


But you have to "pay" for them in the first place, either in cash (which doesn't seem to be popular anymore), or in some kind of redeemable coupon for non-firearms related goods*

*This is because people were taking in broken guns that weren't worth anything, and using the money to buy new guns.
 
2007-08-21 03:23:15 PM  
Missile Launcher? (clicky poppy)
 
2007-08-21 03:36:22 PM  
The original article from the Orlando Sentinel got all of that coverage all over the place.

The explanation? Page B-3. And they still got some facts wrong.
 
2007-08-21 03:38:23 PM  
pizant: How much does it cost the taxpayer to destroy the guns collected? My guess is "not much".

Yes, but compare that to the revenue that could be made by selling any working firearms in good condition to legally eligible citizens at auction.
 
2007-08-21 03:38:51 PM  
pizant: How much does it cost the taxpayer to destroy the guns collected? My guess is "not much".

Dunno. If they use the guns for scrap metal, there's likely zero cost to the disposal (the cost would be in clearing every firearm and removing non-ferrous parts, like stocks and handguards, you'd be paid for the metal). But they'd still be better off checking for stolen weapons (and returning them to the proper owners), checking for weapons used in crimes (and doing whatever they do with those), and then selling the ones that would actually bring money (like the rare collectible that gets turned in).

However, that would take sense, and these "buybacks" (a misnomer- they were never owned by the local government, so how could they be bought back?) are just about a bunch of people feeling like they're "getting guns off the streets" (where are these streets with homeless guns?), when they're doing not one damned thing to fight crime.
 
2007-08-21 03:41:04 PM  
Rule #1 in modern journalism: Never let the facts get in the way of your sensationalism!!
 
2007-08-21 03:48:01 PM  
So cops can't tell the different between a missile launcher and a suitcase, until they've spent a few days examining it?

/not surprised
 
2007-08-21 03:48:49 PM  
NYRBill: how many people stop by your place...once?

Ahhh, the perfect frequency.
 
2007-08-21 03:55:24 PM  
fatal_exception Quote 2007-08-21 03:48:49 PM
Ahhh, the perfect frequency.

a friend of mine used ammo boxes for storage in his basement since they sealed well to keep water out
 
2007-08-21 03:58:57 PM  
NYRBill:

Yeah seriously, they're great for storing all kinds of stuff. Good for camping too. Same reason, watertight. Now if I could just find a missile case...

/already checked eBay
 
2007-08-21 04:00:32 PM  
buckers1: you know those cops are sitting there picking out the best one to keep for themselves...i wouldnt be surprised when some of those guns end up on ebay

You cannot sell guns of any kind on eBay.
 
2007-08-21 04:00:46 PM  
tricycleracer

A pair of unreleased Ron Mexico Nikes.

Well... I guess that's better than life in Gitmo...
 
2007-08-21 04:15:12 PM  
fatal_exception Quote 2007-08-21 03:58:57 PM
Yeah seriously, they're great for storing all kinds of stuff. Good for camping too. Same reason, watertight. Now if I could just find a missile case...
/already checked eBay

I found all sizes and shapes on there. the army/navy store by me is gone these days, I know 2 others but they're not close
 
2007-08-21 04:19:15 PM  
Every time I hear about one of these "buybacks" and the inevitable idiot who turns in a $1300 National Match rifle or collectible antique revolver I just cringe. Sheer stupidity.

They could turn them into a revenue generator if they sold them at police auctions like everything else that gets confiscated, though.
 
KIA
2007-08-21 04:21:20 PM  
Told you so. Look it up in the prior thread. Thanks.
 
2007-08-21 04:30:39 PM  
Kadin2048: Every time I hear about one of these "buybacks" and the inevitable idiot who turns in a $1300 National Match rifle or collectible antique revolver I just cringe. Sheer stupidity.

They could turn them into a revenue generator if they sold them at police auctions like everything else that gets confiscated, though.


I'd hope they would do that instead of destroying such things. Or give them to me!
 
2007-08-21 04:31:37 PM  
The sad part is that the "expert research" to clarify the story could easily have been done by reading the Fark comments on the original TFA.
 
2007-08-21 04:32:36 PM  
Stryyder:
I remember when we were young a friend of mine took a Testes model rocket and modified it so that it could be fired from a rail mounted in a old carpet tube that was about 4-5 feet long and painted green with the firing trigger mounted as a handle. (This is back in say 1981 or so

Sweet. That's the kind of project I'd have done as a teenager if I'd been willing to spend the money/time, and hadn't been afraid of ending up as a horrific burn victim and thus never losing my virginity.
 
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