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(Detroit News)   The players on the Michigan football team tell Chad Henne what they think of him by not electing the four-year starter at QB as one of their captains   (detroitnews.com) divider line 77
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2007-08-21 08:51:10 AM  
I know he is good statistics wise but I've never seen him truly "take over" a game and do no wrong. I know if Ohio State had a four year starter as a QB and I saw that his teammates didn't think enough of him to elect him as a captain that would bother me. I know a QB can be a "manager" but that isn't what Henne really is, at least statistically speaking. Even if he was a "manager" he should still be seen as the clear leader on the team in my opinion.
 
2007-08-21 08:59:37 AM  
3 years, 0-3 against the Buckeyes.
Chad Henne is a motherfarking joke.(pops/NSFW language)
 
DD0
2007-08-21 09:15:52 AM  
Yes because having 2 guys on offense like Jake Long and Mike Hart and electing a defensive captain has no grounds. Jake Long will no doubt have guaranteed money in the draft and Mike Hart has been a leader on that team since he was 18. Henne doesn't play defense.

But hey, why look at it logically.
 
2007-08-21 09:19:57 AM  
jonterry4: 3 years, 0-3 against the Buckeyes.
Chad Henne is a motherfarking joke.(pops/NSFW language)


People up here are starting to sound like OSU fans from about 5 years ago..Don't care if the team goes 1-12 so long as that one win is against OSU. Get a grip people.

OH NOES, WE LOST IN FOOSBALL TO OSU EVERYBODY PANIC!!!!
 
2007-08-21 09:29:04 AM  
DD0: But hey, why look at it logically.

I don't believe that I'm looking at it illogically. You don't have a four year starter at QB very often, you need a combo of not enough depth/the kid's talent is overwhelming. After three seasons I would hope that a team would look up to that kid and go, "Yeah, I'll follow that guy." Nobody is saying the three players you mentioned aren't quality players because they are but they're not QB's. Were the same thing to be happening at Ohio State I'd be wondering what is going on behind the scenes, I could of course be reading far too much into it but it would worry me on some level if a four year starter at QB wasn't elected as a captain by his teammates.
 
2007-08-21 09:50:02 AM  
Then, of course, there's the fact that being captain means absolutely nothing. Honestly, who gives a crap who the captain(s) are? The fact that there is more than 1 makes it even more meaningless.
 
2007-08-21 10:03:29 AM  
Drakuun: jonterry4: 3 years, 0-3 against the Buckeyes.
Chad Henne is a motherfarking joke.(pops/NSFW language)

People up here are starting to sound like OSU fans from about 5 years ago..Don't care if the team goes 1-12 so long as that one win is against OSU. Get a grip people.

OH NOES, WE LOST IN FOOSBALL TO OSU EVERYBODY PANIC!!!!


In PSU country, we have the same attitude toward UM -- 1-12 would be fine if that 1 was UM.
 
2007-08-21 10:04:58 AM  
So Iowa had two WRs, starting WRs, suspended indefinitely yesterday for allegations of credit card fraud.

but no, lets talk about this. lets have every goddamned armchair Knute Rockne step up and tell us what this says about Chad Henne to them.
 
2007-08-21 10:05:37 AM  
f*ck Fark.
 
2007-08-21 10:09:15 AM  
Drakuun: People up here are starting to sound like OSU fans from about 5 years ago..Don't care if the team goes 1-12 so long as that one win is against OSU. Get a grip people.

OH NOES, WE LOST IN FOOSBALL TO OSU EVERYBODY PANIC!!!!



Sounds like something a loser would say. To say that the Michigan/OSU game is not the biggest game for both teams every year is stupid. OSU is in a rebuilding year so we don't honestly don't expect to win out. However, we do want a close, hard played game against Michigan.

debug: Then, of course, there's the fact that being captain means absolutely nothing. Honestly, who gives a crap who the captain(s) are? The fact that there is more than 1 makes it even more meaningless.

Being Captain does mean something. QB'ing is 80% confidence. Being Captain means that your team believes in you as a leader. This directly effects the confidence you have on the field...

For him to be in his 4th year and not be a Captain tells me there is something odd. I almost think he has told the team that he doesn't want to be a captain which is bad for a starting QB.

/College QB
//College Captain
 
2007-08-21 10:09:42 AM  
Millzners: In PSU country, we have the same attitude toward UM -- 1-12 would be fine if that 1 was UM.

I eagerly await the day that we finally beat UM.

Oh, and Chad? Berks County doesn't want you back.
 
2007-08-21 10:14:36 AM  
guys? we still need an armchair NFL GM to come in and tell us how this will hurt his draft stock. Anyone? Come on, somebody's got to tell me exactly why he won't be drafted into the NFL. Please. I am dying to know.
 
2007-08-21 10:15:36 AM  
xtragrind: /College QB
//College Captain


Devry has a football team?
 
2007-08-21 10:20:48 AM  
Actually you know. I am sorry. I did a little research of my own and I am changing my tune. The 2003 Michigan team was destined to go nowhere until the elected John Navarre captain, and under his guidance the Wolverines went 10-2 won a Big Ten championship and got obliterated by USC in the Rose Bowl.

Clearly that captaincy makes all the difference. Henne should be so lucky as to have such a season in his career. This year could have been the year. If only he was captain. Damn.
 
2007-08-21 10:28:22 AM  
Eggman18: Oh, and Chad? Berks County doesn't want you back.

No longer in-bred enough for you?
 
2007-08-21 10:42:59 AM  
baorao: So Iowa had two WRs, starting WRs, suspended indefinitely yesterday for allegations of credit card fraud.

Aww for fark's sake... At least now I know about this. Thanks
 
2007-08-21 10:50:46 AM  
Being named captain is a huge honor and means you are a leader. To me, it says that the team doesn't believe that Henne is a leader to them. That's what I think the subby is trying to say. At the end of the day, its just another lame attempt at a Meatchicken rib, poorly constructed.

/lives in CBus
//Go Gators!!!
 
2007-08-21 11:01:08 AM  
This captain stuff is something to talk about in August. After the first snap of the year, this won't mean sh*t and no one will be care about it.

baorao: So Iowa had two WRs, starting WRs, suspended indefinitely yesterday for allegations of credit card fraud.

This did not make me a happy Hawkeye fan when I heard this yesterday. Ferentz will come down hard on them, too. No Steve Alford/Pierre Pierce treatment here.
 
2007-08-21 11:02:31 AM  
baorao: So Iowa had two WRs, starting WRs, suspended indefinitely yesterday for allegations of credit card fraud.

I should know who their QB will supposedly be but I don't. Either way that isn't good for Iowa football.
 
2007-08-21 11:11:30 AM  
WoodyHayes: baorao: So Iowa had two WRs, starting WRs, suspended indefinitely yesterday for allegations of credit card fraud.

I should know who their QB will supposedly be but I don't. Either way that isn't good for Iowa football.


it may not matter, since Iowa doesn't play Michigan or Ohio State this year.
 
2007-08-21 11:13:14 AM  
WoodyHayes: I should know who their QB will supposedly be but I don't. Either way that isn't good for Iowa football.

Looks like our QB will be Jake Christensen...sophomore, kind of a question mark at this point. And yes, this isn't good. Douglas was one of our few bright spots at wideout last year. He caught more passes than any freshman in the country.
 
2007-08-21 11:15:31 AM  
Berks County got a lot classier when Henne left.
 
2007-08-21 11:15:55 AM  
I don't think, based on this article, any determinations can be made. It's possible that Mike Hart and Jake Long are just seen as better leaders, or are more popular among the team, than Chad Henne. And it's possible that they're better leaders than Chad Henne, and the team is more willing to follow them than Henne.

And it's also possible to interpret this as a good thing; the Michigan offense has three great leaders, which unfortunately could only choose two of them as Captains. This might be a great sign of the offensive year to come - how great must Jake Long and Mike Hart be if they're seen in higher regard than the 4th year starting QB?

/M Go Blue!
 
2007-08-21 11:34:30 AM  
devilsnight: Berks County got a lot classier when Henne left

You are thinking of when the Walmart opened.

They sure sell some tasty vittles.
 
2007-08-21 11:38:24 AM  
baorao: it may not matter, since Iowa doesn't play Michigan or Ohio State this year.

I think they still have to play @Wisco though, right? Wisco should theoretically be better than OSU this year (though of course, you never know), and Madison is not an easy place to play.
 
DD0
2007-08-21 11:44:37 AM  
WoodyHayes: I don't believe that I'm looking at it illogically. You don't have a four year starter at QB very often, you need a combo of not enough depth/the kid's talent is overwhelming. After three seasons I would hope that a team would look up to that kid and go, "Yeah, I'll follow that guy." Nobody is saying the three players you mentioned aren't quality players because they are but they're not QB's. Were the same thing to be happening at Ohio State I'd be wondering what is going on behind the scenes, I could of course be reading far too much into it but it would worry me on some level if a four year starter at QB wasn't elected as a captain by his teammates.

Nor do you normally have a OT that is a 4 year starter as well as a RB that is. Not to mention Long was a captain last year and Hart was co-mvp, 5th in heisman voting and as I said before has been known as a leader every year. Not to mention they are both better than Henne, you don't deserve to be captain because you are a QB. The captains selected more than deserve it.

/What a waste of time
 
2007-08-21 11:49:42 AM  
Senior Brian Griese was not Captain in 1997 either, thus every time in the last 10 years when the Senior QB was not a captain, Michigan won the National Championship.

/My statement is as pointless as this headline.
 
2007-08-21 11:50:06 AM  
DD0: Nor do you normally have a OT that is a 4 year starter as well as a RB that is. Not to mention Long was a captain last year and Hart was co-mvp, 5th in heisman voting and as I said before has been known as a leader every year. Not to mention they are both better than Henne, you don't deserve to be captain because you are a QB. The captains selected more than deserve it.

/What a waste of time


well said.

I (we?) get how it looks given the mythos of the quarterback position, but there are more factors than just "look they didn't vote him captain" and DD0 pretty much nailed them all.
 
DD0
2007-08-21 12:00:54 PM  
skankboy: Senior Brian Griese was not Captain in 1997 either, thus every time in the last 10 years when the Senior QB was not a captain, Michigan won the National Championship.

Haha, I like it.
 
2007-08-21 12:02:25 PM  
baorao: I (we?) get how it looks given the mythos of the quarterback position, but there are more factors than just "look they didn't vote him captain" and DD0 pretty much nailed them all.

absolutely...I think the two players are/will make great captains. I've just been from the thinking that if you have a 4 yr QB that has been talked about and talked up the entirety of those 4 yrs, that its "typically" assummed that he is going to be a captain. That being said though, Long will prob be a top 5 pick and Hart not long after, while Henne "may" be drafted in the first 3 rounds...
 
2007-08-21 12:02:41 PM  
Oh fark, I hate you.

DD0 wins thread. Over.

Where's Buk110 to start spouting some Penn State hate? Or some Penn hates Henne crap? I wish he'd realize that no one cares about PSU anymore.

/It starts SOON!
 
2007-08-21 12:14:24 PM  
People who like Ohio State are from Ohio.

People who like michigan also like the yankees.

ann arbor is a whore.
 
2007-08-21 12:26:44 PM  
baorao
So Iowa had two WRs, starting WRs, suspended indefinitely yesterday for allegations of credit card fraud.
Not to mention JoePa is about to take over the record for longest tenure coaching one team Link Pops
Yeah, it is a little weird that Henne isn't a captain, but while he's neither great nor terrible, Hart and Long are great.
/hates Michigan
//hates Henne
///agrees with Millzners
 
2007-08-21 12:30:08 PM  
DDO
And ... yeah, what he said.
BoSchembechler
Hey now, I hate Henne, but I have a very specific reason for doing so. I am however, also well aware that my opinions don't count for anything.
 
2007-08-21 12:34:24 PM  
So no Michigan fan here is going to admit that Michigan players not thinking enough of their four year starting QB to make him a captain doesn't give them at least one iota of trepidation? Come on guys, you know you'd be saying the same exact thing were the situation to be reversed. By no means am I saying it is anything near the end of the world but come on now, you know it means something.

skankboy: Senior Brian Griese was not Captain in 1997 either, thus every time in the last 10 years when the Senior QB was not a captain, Michigan won the National Championship.

Where is a Nebraska fan to start a real pissing contest? :)
 
DD0
2007-08-21 12:37:34 PM  
WoodyHayes: So no Michigan fan here is going to admit that Michigan players not thinking enough of their four year starting QB to make him a captain doesn't give them at least one iota of trepidation? Come on guys, you know you'd be saying the same exact thing were the situation to be reversed. By no means am I saying it is anything near the end of the world but come on now, you know it means something.

I just said exactly what it means. Henne hasn't turned out to be the QB most thought he would. That said he's going to break just about every record in UofM's book this year. Which simply speaks for itself. Couldn't care less if he was a captain, watch a Michigan game you can see who the leader is in the huddle. It's not Henne.
 
2007-08-21 12:48:52 PM  
DD0: Couldn't care less if he was a captain, watch a Michigan game you can see who the leader is in the huddle. It's not Henne.

Chad Henne has been the starting QB for four years now though, if he isn't viewed as a leader that means something is wrong on some level. Yes, it is nice to have guys like Jake Long there. Though if we had a stud LT and a QB who have been there since the days of Paul Brown and the team didn't view the QB as a leader, regardless of how good the LT is it'd be somewhat troubling to me.

Look, you know more about Michigan football than I do but if the situation was reversed I wouldn't like the insight into the team that such a vote would me.
 
DD0
2007-08-21 12:58:36 PM  
Yes but you simply can't argue with the fact that Long was a captain last year, so obviously he is that talented and that strong of a leader. Now for all we know they can only have 3 captains? There are any number of circumstances that could lead to it. Perhaps Henne doesn't work as hard as he could and just falls back on pure talent. Who knows, what I do know is the 3 guys chosen are the 3 most deserving, certainly considering one is a defensive captain.
 
DD0
2007-08-21 01:00:47 PM  
I guess my point is I'm not that surprised. Now if Hart and Long weren't voted as captains I'd be shocked. Certainly Hart, I think he's more deserving than Long, but that's only because he appears more vocal. I can't say that's true in any way though.
 
2007-08-21 01:05:41 PM  
DD0: Now for all we know they can only have 3 captains?

I've read on some Michigan boards that at least one time Lloyd Carr had four captains.

Who knows, what I do know is the 3 guys chosen are the 3 most deserving, certainly considering one is a defensive captain.

Yeah, Chad Henne may have simply been the odd man out considering it'd be rather off to not have one captain on defense.

You bring up some good points, some of which I can agree with or at least understand.
 
2007-08-21 01:06:46 PM  
notbrokeback: ann arbor is a whore.

Woody is a pecker.
 
2007-08-21 01:15:31 PM  
bp3.blogger.com

Nice purse.
 
2007-08-21 01:26:54 PM  
WoodyHayes: I've read on some Michigan boards that at least one time Lloyd Carr had four captains.

2000:
Steve Hutchinson
Anthony Thomas
James Whitley
Eric Wilson

here's all the captains Michigan has ever had (pops). You'll find out pretty quickly they've had what I'd consider to be an average amount of QBs as captain, and the team and the indivdual's success in those years varied wildly.

You're still not going to convince me this the most pressing issue in college football or that it somehow indicates a problem amongst the team. Remember Henne wasn't captain last year either and we seemed to be alright.
 
2007-08-21 01:27:40 PM  
Now that the Utes are scheduled to beat Michigan next season, I finally have a reason to take interest in these UM-Related threads. ;)
 
2007-08-21 01:29:57 PM  
oh and WoodyHayes, I am almost certain this (pops) is the one and only reason Michigan technically had four captains that season.
 
2007-08-21 01:31:36 PM  
baorao: You're still not going to convince me this the most pressing issue in college football or that it somehow indicates a problem amongst the team.

Thanks for the list info, I'll run through it in a min. Waiting in a lobby for a Company of Heroes game to start.

You're still not going to convince me this the most pressing issue in college football or that it somehow indicates a problem amongst the team. Remember Henne wasn't captain last year either and we seemed to be alright.

Yeah, as I said before you guys know more about Michigan football than I do but I'm just looking at it from my perspective were the shot to be on the other foot.

QU!RK1019: Now that the Utes are scheduled to beat Michigan next season, I finally have a reason to take interest in these UM-Related threads. ;)

Whoa, whoa, whoa, timeout. The battle of all that is noble vs. the ultimate evil as Ohio State valiantly attempts to save the free world wasn't enough for you? :)
 
2007-08-21 01:37:56 PM  
And Eric Wilson's captaincy was little more than a PR stunt a la Rudy.

Here were his stat totals that year:
11 solo, 5 ast, 16 tackles, 8 TFL, -25 yds, 2 sack, 10 yds

this stats were amassed against Rice, 5-7 Penn State, Northwestern and in the Outback Bowl against Auburn.
 
2007-08-21 01:40:28 PM  
BTW, Eric K is on ESPN Radio right now.
 
2007-08-21 01:40:51 PM  
notbrokeback: People who like Ohio State are from Ohio.

People who like michigan also like the yankees.

ann arbor is a whore.


img212.imageshack.us

There's two teams to cheer for in Baseball. The Detroit Tigers, and whoever is playing the New York Yankees.

/C'mon Tigers, stop playing AA ball, and play Major League ball again. Before you're out of the playoffs!
//And once again, someone mistakes the younger sister of Ann Arbour, Open Harbour, for Ann. Gah. Is there a Nile river in Ohio or something, to explain all this denial that they're really thinking of the Ohio girl Open Harbour, who opens herself up for anyone with nuts
///Or in the case of Buckeyes fans, anyone wearing nuts, since they don't have any of their own

WoodyHayes: So no Michigan fan here is going to admit that Michigan players not thinking enough of their four year starting QB to make him a captain doesn't give them at least one iota of trepidation? Come on guys, you know you'd be saying the same exact thing were the situation to be reversed. By no means am I saying it is anything near the end of the world but come on now, you know it means something.

Honestly? It doesn't mean anything to me. Others have made much better defenses of this situation than I could, and I agree with them. Who knows? Maybe Henne didn't want to be a captain - he's already got all the pressure on him as being a returning 4th year Starting QB, as it's been stated, he's not likely going to be pursued as a professional QB, so maybe he's decided to let others take more responsibility for the team, while he spends more time on his studies? Long and Hart are going to be First Round picks, maybe even Top 10 for both of them. Henne might not even be drafted. (if he does, it's likely he would be taken in the later rounds.) If he's got to choose between getting his Degree and maybe get grades good enough to get into a Graduate program, or being a Captain of the football team, he might have just gone to the team and said don't vote for me as Captain.

Or maybe the team has much more confidence in Long and Hart. It might not be that they don't have confidence in Henne, but they have more confidence in Hart and Long, knowing that Long makes the holes that Hart runs through, and all Henne has to do is give Hart the ball. Who knows? I don't see this as a big deal.

/M Go Blue!
//Eh, Captains... so much is made about them, but how important are they, really, on the team? A leader is a leader is a Leader, regardless if they're officially a "Captain" or not.
 
2007-08-21 01:44:47 PM  
Techhell: Captains... so much is made about them, but how important are they, really, on the team?

You fool!! Choosing Heads or Tails is important!!!
 
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