This is sure to settle all the disputes. From now on, relations between Islam and Christians will all be tickety-boo.

Wait! Muslims and Jews agreeing about something???

Good thing most Christians are so open minded.

AirForceVet: Muhammad died an old man in his sleep in Mecca.

He died an old man and in bed, but it was in Medina, actually.

How can they do this when all evidence, like the testimony of the three wise men, points to the contrary? Seriously....

There's no suggestion in TFA that the format is a confrontational one. It mentions that it's presented by a man raised in the Christian faith and, aside from Melvyn Bragg, that there aren't any representatives of the mainstream Christian churches on the show, yet the submitter has chosen to present it as an attack by Muslims on Christians. Interesting.

The show is fine. Whatever.

But the guy in the story makes a pretty damned good point: Mr Sookhdeo, who was born a Muslim and converted to Christianity in 1969, said: "How would the Muslim community respond if ITV made a programme challenging Muhammad as the last prophet?"

I think we all know...

AlanSmithee: Jesus is a pedo just like Mohammed was

yeah, but Jesus could probably read

Afternoon_Delight: "How would the Muslim community respond if ITV made a programme challenging Muhammad as the last prophet?"

ITV's 10 part series 'The Apostles', for example ?

AlanSmithee: Mo was illiterate? Did not know that. Interesting.

the muslims actually point to that as evidence Islam is the real thing, because some goat-herding illiterate could not have made the Koran up--he had to have gotten it direct from the angel gabriel.

it's all nonsense. jebus, too.
/atheist

Well, at least they're talking...

doyner: Does this mean that the Muslims will be ok with a show about the Christian view of Mohammed?

I doubt it, we're better than they are... from what I keep hearing.

Yes, Mohammad was an important religious diety, but few people remember that, although he died an old man, he had breasts comparable to those of Dolly Parton and was known to wear a strap-on penile attachment made of camel testicle as a symbol of virility. Friends say that on drunken nights he would saunter around in front of a full length mirror chanting "I'm a pretty lady, I'm a pretty lady" over and over again. Most historians describe him as "animal-like" although Mohammad himself preferred the term "furry". Many people have visions of Mohammad appearing to them wearing a splendiferious afro wig with suit-and-tie raiment, often shouting "Pools closed due to AIDS".

The Crucifixion? An illusion? That's just stupid. Good thing I've got the real word of god right here on this golden tablet I dug up in my backyard. Yeah, I have a special pair of ruby tronsmogrificator translator specs that allow me to read them. No, you can't see these items.

/Why no, why would you consider my beliefs before evaluating my presidential campaign?

So, will ITV be sending a copy to FOX?

I bet Jesus builds a better hotrod, though.

/dang-along-ling-long

Pot, meet Kettle. Yes, I know he's a douche but you'll just have to try to find some common ground.

When one religion hates on another, I always get a kick out of it. Bear in mind though that according to the stories, Mo was not some goat-herding nobody. He was married into an important merchant family. As a merchant it may have been possible for him to have been at least basically literate. However, just like the Christian stories, I doubt not only the tales themselves but the attributed authorship as well. Just like the Christians, the only real sources that we have to back up the historicity of Jesus and Muhammad come from the ranks of the early true believers. The Gospels and Muhammad's bio were written many years after the supposed deaths of the subject. 120 years at least in the case of Muhammad, and I'm pretty sure that no version of that bio survives, what remains is secondary, stuff that refers to it.

So while the Muslims may ruffle the christians' feathers by questioning the importance of Jesus, I still don't see why everyone, both Christians and otherwise, are all working from the assumption that he ever existed at all. The same can be said for Muhammad, where are the primary sources? Remember that its not enough that at some point in history some guy named Yeshua or Muhammad were out walking around, the biography has to close enough to reality and the words attributed to him have to be close enough.

Lets not pretend that you can take a fantasy story, remove the mysticism, and suddenly it can be treated as history.

Well, considering both parties are religious, I'm sure they'll just agree to disagree on the matter and go their separate ways in peace.

/high as a frigging kite

RobsterCraw

The Koran supposedly consists of transcriptions of lectures Mohammad made during his lifetime and is known to have been standardized 20 years after his death. Nothing like the "biographical" stories of Jesus are in the Koran. In fact Mohammed supposedly told his followers not to write down anything but the Koran proper.

You're probably thinking of the Hadith, which not all Muslims treat as holy writ, and not all of which are biographical. The Hadith we currently possess are dated to 100 years after Mo' kicked the bucket and are based on oral tradition rather than a preexisting bio.

And yes, we have no direct evidence that Mohammad ever actually existed. At least there are no miracle stories regarding the guy. That would actually be blasphemous in Islam.

Nabb1: I doubt any of them will be imprisoned or executed for apostasy. Try going to a country under Sharia law and telling folks on the streets they're wrong about Mohammed.

Afternoon_Delight: "How would the Muslim community respond if ITV made a programme challenging Muhammad as the last prophet?"

I think we all know...

Exactly, to both. The last time we "insulted" the prophet:





Wahabist and Islamist apologists and Christian condemners can go ahead and speak out about how oppressive Christians are when they do something like that over something that is, essentially, nothing.

Back to kissing Muslim ass, eh British Television?
Business as usual.

Where's the Buttsecks Owl when you need him?

Cue "I like where this thread is going" pics...

So, if I went to the Middle East and did a show about how Mohammed was a guy who bastardized Judaism and Christianity while adding a cult of personality aspect and warfare, would they accept my different theory?

EwoksSuck: Todays Moment of Zen: When to assholes argue over who's religion is better does anybody else hear them?


FAIL.
ENGLISH.

Step away from the keyboard. Thanks.

I seem to recall a bunch of Muslim clerics criticizing "Passion of the Christ" for being disrespectful of Jesus, or something like that. He's actually not inconsequential in Muslim theology.

That said... if someone insults your prophet, or your god, just smile and think "if my faith is correct, you'll regret it later". Don't threaten or harm them. Because if your faith is correct, YOU may regret it later.

I was prepared to be all uppity, but, it reads like something I'd probably watch. Who's to say who's right? There's been so many questions in the last few years regarding the Christ, who's to say what the truth is.

You become a Muslim to rebel against your parents, or to thumb your nose at those lucky ducks who were born in a 1st world country, or to thumb your nose at polite society from inside of prison.

/all religions suck