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(U. of Washington)   Disney to University of Washington: Retract news release on research on effects of "Baby Einstein" videos. UW President: Suck it   (uwnews.washington.edu) divider line 113
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2007-08-16 03:09:53 PM
Damn those researchers and white-coated 'academics'. Can't they see how their 'studies' will adversely affect Disney's marketing campaigns!?!11! That's down right un-American of them.
 
2007-08-16 03:15:32 PM
Yea Dawgs!
 
2007-08-16 03:22:41 PM
In this corner, we have the unstoppable might, the child-befuddling, the teenage confusing, the titanic Disney!

Aaand in this corner, we have the unmovable wall, the permanently deep pockets of government, the University of Washington!

Seriously, I wonder if Disney really thought they could get away with dumbing our kids forever. I'm thankful my daughter prefers books to TV.
 
2007-08-16 03:42:21 PM
Disney needs to get up off their ass and fund a study of their own.
The nice thing about a study like this is that any sample so small is never "conclusive" and anyone willing to spend a few research bucks can refute the findings.
Yay science!
 
2007-08-16 03:43:44 PM
I disagree with Disney but perhaps the (non-Disney-owned) rest of the media could have waited until there was some peer review before trumpeting "Baby Einstein Makes Kids teh DUMM!" headlines.
 
2007-08-16 03:52:53 PM
For the life of me I will never understand how Einstein came to be so smart without using these videos. They have his name right on the box.

Can we even call them "Baby Einstein" if the real baby Einstein never watched them? Does this mean we have to scratch future plans for Baby Newton, Baby Copernicus, Baby Marilyn Vos Savant and Baby Hawking cash cows, too?
 
2007-08-16 03:56:02 PM
dj_spanmaster: the child-befuddling, the teenage confusing, the titanic Disney!

I'll never forget that Ariel was supposedly only 16 years old in The Little Mermaid.

16, and getting married to that prince guy. What a grand message to our kids. Forget college, forget personal responsibility, why not just wash up naked on shore and get married at 16? What a great idea. I hate Disney so much. HATE.
 
2007-08-16 04:21:40 PM
Whenever I have kids, I'm getting them to watch Mr. Rogers. That's my cheap solution to parenting!
 
2007-08-16 05:17:56 PM
Canadian Canuck: Whenever I have kids, I'm getting them to watch Mr. Rogers. That's my cheap solution to parenting!

Don't you know that Mr. Rogers gives children a sense of entitlement (pops) when he tells them that they are special? And of course that implies that Mr Rogers is the reason that those in the past two generations expect everything in life to be handed to them on a silver platter. I'd not let your children watch that for fear of getting CPS on your ass.
 
2007-08-16 05:48:42 PM
WhatYouSay:

Baby Hawking is a stroller company.
 
2007-08-16 07:35:33 PM
dj_spanmaster: Seriously, I wonder if Disney really thought they could get away with dumbing our kids forever. I'm thankful my daughter prefers books to TV.

i read the last paragraph as if you were still using the boxer announcer voice. try it.
 
2007-08-16 07:37:23 PM
I prefer Looney Tunes.
 
2007-08-16 07:38:16 PM
mediaho: I disagree with Disney but perhaps the (non-Disney-owned) rest of the media could have waited until there was some peer review before trumpeting "Baby Einstein Makes Kids teh DUMM!" headlines.

The article was peer reviewed. That's how it got into the journal in the first place.
 
2007-08-16 07:38:29 PM
furiousxgeorge: WhatYouSay:

Baby Hawking is a stroller company.


That's a lame joke.
 
2007-08-16 07:39:39 PM
furiousxgeorge: WhatYouSay:

Baby Hawking is a stroller company.


Keyboard. Soda. Your fault.
 
2007-08-16 07:40:29 PM
WhatYouSay: Does this mean we have to scratch future plans for Baby Newton, Baby Copernicus, Baby Marilyn Vos Savant and Baby Hawking cash cows, too?

I don't know, but I have a great pitch for a Saturday morning cartoon series!
 
2007-08-16 07:40:47 PM
WhatYouSay:

Infants don't need Baby Hawking videos. They're capable of sitting and drooling on themselves right from the factory.
 
2007-08-16 07:41:03 PM
Disney might actually have a point this time:

http://mamarant.blogs.com/a_mamas_rant/2007/08/the-real-scoop-.html (pops)
 
2007-08-16 07:41:38 PM
mediaho
I disagree with Disney but perhaps the (non-Disney-owned) rest of the media could have waited until there was some peer review before trumpeting "Baby Einstein Makes Kids teh DUMM!" headlines.

FTFA
...paper published by three of our faculty in the Journal of Pediatrics...
The Journal of Pediatrics is a prestigious, peer-reviewed journal. Papers submitted to this journal undergo a rigorous review by experts in the field before they are accepted for publication.


I agree with your disagreeing with Disney but perhaps you should RTFA before trumpeting "teh media is teh DUMM!" comments.

/Go Dawgs!!!
 
2007-08-16 07:42:42 PM
ChubbyTiger
beat me to it
 
2007-08-16 07:43:32 PM
I don't see how this can surprise anyone. Interaction with people and objects is good for the brain. Watching a TV is not interactive.
 
2007-08-16 07:43:36 PM
furiousxgeorge: WhatYouSay:

Baby Hawking is a stroller company.


That's not entirely correct. Baby Hawking is stroller/speak & spell convergence company.
 
2007-08-16 07:44:36 PM
This is your brain: www.swim.uci.edu

This is your brain on drugs: content.answers.com


Any questions?
 
2007-08-16 07:45:52 PM
But UW will gladly bend over for the RIAA (new window)
 
2007-08-16 07:47:21 PM
My kids watched a ton of baby einstein, and they won't farking shut up!
 
2007-08-16 07:48:18 PM
dj_spanmaster: In this corner, we have the unstoppable might, the child-befuddling, the teenage confusing, the titanic Disney!

Aaand in this corner, we have the unmovable wall, the permanently deep pockets of government, the University of Washington!

Seriously, I wonder if Disney really thought they could get away with dumbing our kids forever. I'm thankful my daughter prefers books to TV.


She's probably not very popular at school is she?
 
2007-08-16 07:50:44 PM
fatassbastard: Any questions?

Yes, what are you smoking and where'd you get it?

WAZZU!
www.sky-pix.com
 
2007-08-16 07:53:49 PM
Cyberhwk

Yes, what are you smoking and where'd you get it?

WAZZU!


Heh...I'm not actually a Husky fan, although I grew up just north of Seattle (Shoreline). My parents both went to Michigan and basically bleed maize and blue.

Anyway, I saw that on a t-shirt once (what I posted) and thought to myself, "I bet Coug fans see that and go 'HELL YEAH!'"

You're the second FARKer to confirm my suspicion. :)
 
2007-08-16 07:55:41 PM
WhatYouSay: dj_spanmaster: the child-befuddling, the teenage confusing, the titanic Disney!

I'll never forget that Ariel was supposedly only 16 years old in The Little Mermaid.

16, and getting married to that prince guy. What a grand message to our kids. Forget college, forget personal responsibility, why not just wash up naked on shore and get married at 16? What a great idea. I hate Disney so much. HATE.


ARIEL = H-O-T

/want cartoon
//where are my pills anyway?
 
2007-08-16 07:56:17 PM
I think the actual study was fine. As the article says:

"The paper set out to "test the association [italics added] of media exposure with language development in children under age 2 years." It did not purport to establish a causal relationship, as the authors explicitly state in the article. The authors found a large and statistically significant reduction in vocabulary among infants age 8 to 16 months who viewed baby DVDs or videos, compared to those who did not view them. They also concluded that more research is needed to determine the reasons for this statistical association."

However, that is not how the media (or even the head researcher) portrayed it:

""I would rather babies watch 'American Idol' than these videos," [Professor] Christakis said."

And of course, media exaggeration:

"Parents hoping to raise baby Einsteins by using infant educational videos instead might be creating baby Homer Simpsons, according to researchers."
 
2007-08-16 07:56:36 PM
Cyberhwk : Yah baby!

GO COUGS!

/i got nuthin
 
2007-08-16 07:57:37 PM
Whatever. If you want your kids to develop a full vocabulary, talk to them like normal people and use the widest range of language. They'll pick it up eventually.

And if they ever say to you, "What does xxxxxx mean?" Tell them, then make them say the word out loud. Works wonders for my kids.

/obvious
 
2007-08-16 07:58:22 PM
My opinion is that people who desire to consume media don't end up being the brightest people in this world.

The fact is media isn't a tangible object so my opinion makes no sense.

The truth is the correlation probably involves children that in all likely hood would be neglected if they didn't have DVD's to watch.

Anyways, as the letter states, it's a correlation. The causation comes when you examine what social class, educational theory, and parenting types want their children to learn from a DVD.
 
2007-08-16 07:59:14 PM
mettle-metal

I don't see how this can surprise anyone. Interaction with people and objects is good for the brain. Watching a TV is not interactive.


I came here to say this. However, as a popular TV icon might have it . . .

i63.photobucket.com
 
2007-08-16 08:02:13 PM
Those dvds will simply distract the baby for enough time so that mommy and daddy can have some special time.

Mommy needs to share those boobies.

Worth.Every.Dime.
 
2007-08-16 08:08:04 PM
fatassbastard: This is your brain:

This is your brain on drugs:


Any questions?



This.

I've been a UW sports fan ever since I was a kid.

/They accepted my college application.
//Went to Pepperdine instead.
///A retarded WSU student = an average Gonzaga student.
 
2007-08-16 08:15:32 PM
A friend of mine published some psychology research involving Disney videos a few years ago. It showed that in Disney movies, mental illness is associated with being a bad person. Naturally it was picked up all over with sensationalized headlines ("Disney hates mentally ill people!" etc.), and Disney got word and asked for a copy of the research to see if it should take action. My friend was having kittens...

Luckily Disney realized the research itself was fine and wasn't harmful to them, and my friend wasn't sued or anything. And now the PR department of my university wonders why I don't really want to share MY research results... heh. I'd rather not jump into that feeding frenzy of misreported information. Thanks stupid scientifically illiterate media!
 
2007-08-16 08:20:48 PM
Like anyone reads the retractions.
 
2007-08-16 08:27:07 PM
Sanctum: Disney might actually have a point this time:

http://mamarant.blogs.com/a_mamas_rant/2007/08/the-real-scoop-.html



For this particular study, but this isn't the only one. If I remember from my child development psych classes 3 years ago, there were a few different studies all with the same results. TV, audio tapes, DVDs, and even parent to child learning programs had no effect or made learning more difficult for children.

It's because children's brains are organized differently than ours. They come to understand the world in a way that is hard for us to imagine, one of the reasons we have so few memories of that time. We can't be in the same "frame of mind" as we were, so true memories are extremely sparse. (this is one of many hypotheses)
 
2007-08-16 08:29:20 PM
i didnt rtfa but i just wanted to say the lady that created baby einstein can go eat a big bowl of dicks and die.
 
2007-08-16 08:30:56 PM
Love it! I told disney to suck it 40 years ago, and haven't looked back. And old man disney lived just a few blocks from where I live in Chicago now. Even hometown loyalty can't save that intellectually bankrupt franchise.
 
2007-08-16 08:31:35 PM
ActuarialCox: I agree with your disagreeing with Disney but perhaps you should RTFA before trumpeting "teh media is teh DUMM!" comments.

Whoops. Egg, meet face.
 
2007-08-16 08:37:56 PM
Baby Einstein doesn't make kids dumb, letting a TV raise your kids and not spending time with them makes them dumb.
 
2007-08-16 08:46:00 PM
UW is the University of Wisconsin. We are older, we get the rights.
 
2007-08-16 08:48:13 PM
Sanctum - Disney might actually have a point this time:

http://mamarant.blogs.com/a_mamas_rant/2007/08/the-real-scoop-.html


Ehhh... she just sounds like an editorializing whore who's trying to defend her practice of sticking her kids in front of the tube so she can blog her life away.

"Whadda ya mean I have to ACTUALLY talk to them??? Hello, they hear talking on the videos... Besides, where would everyone on the innartubes be without my keen insights and biting commentary?!?!?"

(I don't have kids, so I'm allowed to jerk-off on the internet all day... both figuratively AND literally)
 
2007-08-16 08:50:46 PM
mediaho: Whoops. Egg, meet face.


Mmm. I like eggs.
 
2007-08-16 08:51:07 PM
Sir Simon Milligan: i didnt rtfa but i just wanted to say the lady that created baby einstein can go eat a big bowl of dicks and die.

She can start with mine.

www.thefamilygroove.com
 
2007-08-16 08:51:57 PM
technicolor-misfit: (I don't have kids, so I'm allowed to jerk-off on the internet all day... both figuratively AND literally)


Whatever you do, don't get your pubes on the tubes.
 
2007-08-16 08:57:38 PM
I don't care what anyone says: Those Baby Geniuses movies were farking awful. Why did they need 2 of them?
 
2007-08-16 09:02:26 PM
I agree with you haters. Spongebob for everybody, the earth depends on it. I can't wait to depend on tv and dvds to raise my kids.
 
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