Could anyone explain how this "tamperproof ID card" will prevent illegal immigration? Are we going to stop everyone with a nice tan and demand ID? Or are they going to tell us a couple of years later "Oops, that doesn't work unless we make sure everyone has it, so line up, Americans!"

All they need to do is verify social security numbers for employment. There would still be some day laborers and people that sneak by, but it would at least reduce the problem to manageable levels while limiting the annoyance to citizens.

Do yourself a favor, America.

Don't elect this Nazi. Don't let the Supreme Court install his ass, either.

Ryan2065: Am I just missing where it says "tracking devices" ?

Dude, RFID.
Radio Frequency ID cards. They were integrated during US VISIT. At the time, I predicted they'd first be implemented in legal immigrants, then the rest of us.

http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/allheadlines/58571

Now, Giuliani knows goddam well the project he's proposing is simply US VISIT. But leave it to the farking AP to forget all about that billion dollar fiasco.

Knucklepopper: At the time, I predicted they'd first be implemented in legal immigrants, then the rest of us.

whidbey: some funky pic
Yeah, yeah, I know, tinfoil hats, yadda yadda.
Fark's a funny place.

Subby is right on the money.
That sick fark, Rudy is already the worst pile of shiat I've yet to step in.

good. keep track of those that are NOT supposed to be here.

The only difference between Giuliani's plan and what we already have is a better ID card and fingerprints for all of the immigrants.

Not exactly fascism, folks. Most countries around the world have more restrictions for their own citizens...

His campaign slogan should be "Welcome To 1984 9/11 9/11 9/11!"

Sure, this is kind of scary, but remember kids, there's no hate like liberal hate^TM.

godofusa.com: good. keep track of those that are NOT supposed to be here.

Or just, you know, keep them from coming in the first place. But whatever.

People, people, PEOPLE!!!

Come ON! What's REALLY important here: Your so-called "privacy" and "freedom" or the all-encompassing needs of the State in its serious duty to PROTECT YOU!!!

Vote Rudy,,,
For the new and improved
POLICE STATE

The Nazis made the Jews wear piece of flair.

Paperz? Ver are your PAPERZ?

I am disgusted by the willingness of people to listen to someone as insidious as this man.

cirby: The only difference between Giuliani's plan and what we already have is a better ID card and fingerprints for all of the immigrants.

Not exactly fascism, folks. Most countries around the world have more restrictions for their own citizens...

Most countries dont boast about being the patriarchs of freedom and liberty and the american dream either. Its not uganda, its the USA. Its not right there, its not right in the usa, and its not right anywhere. How long is it untill imigrants are made to wear identifying badges on their persons at all times?

Whats the real difference between jews walking around with 6point stars pinned to them and immigrants with a visible government authorization badge?


It may not be fascism but its to damn close.

hey if you can catch all the illegal immigrants and tag them why could you not just catch them all and deport them?

our problem with illegal immigrants is that the little blighters keep running off and hiding

Haven't you heard? Rudy's middle name is HITLER.

/difference is Rudy's was earned, Obama's was given
//"There's no endangerment of freedom like conservative endangerment of freedom^TM
///Enjoy these quotes:

"There ought to be limits to freedom." --George W. "Bin Laden" Bush, 1999

"Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do." --Rudy "Hitler" Giuliani, 2007

"And so we must realize that the freedoms FDR once spoke of - especially freedom from want and freedom from fear - do not just come from deposing a tyrant and handing out ballots; they are only realized once the personal and material security of a people is ensured as well." --Barack Hussein Obama, Nov. 20, 2006

Giuliani better do some research.
Texas landowners are insisting it not be built because their cattle go to the river [ Rio Grande ] every evening to drink.

Also the environmentalists are going to sue to block large portions of it anyway.

mikefinch:
Whats the real difference between jews walking around with 6point stars pinned to them and immigrants with a visible government authorization badge?


No, they don't have to "wear ID badges" in Giuliani's plan. Stop making stuff up, it just sinks your argument before it gets started.

Besides, the "putting the stars on them so they'll be easier to find and harass or kill later" versus "carrying an ID card in their wallets so we can tell they're visitors versus illegal immigrants" thing is really obvious to people who can actually think.

i hope the day never comes when i miss George W. Bush the way i miss Clinton now...

I've seen suggestions around here that all us Xtians should be barred from public office and denied any sort of public forum.

/Ya got a nice yellow cross for me to wear, Pinko?
//Ya you try it.
///Just once.

OK OK you people win.. I'll tell you all the easy way to end illegal immigration and then everyone can stop whining about it.

Every employer is required to have a valid SSN for every employee. A system for checking these SSN's can be established and if anything hinky shows up on the check it's refered to the SSA for verification. If the employer doesn't have a valid SSN for every employee stiff fines are paid. No Jobs=No Illegals

/In other words, enforce the laws on the books

Closing the border? Requiring an ID card and database for in-country aliens? No problem.

Wait, this is fark.

Whidbey, Lionel Mandrake, et al. : This is for you -

Wombatzu: i hope the day never comes when i miss George W. Bush the way i miss Clinton now...

If you ever hear someone referring to President Brownback in the present tense, you'll know that day has arrived.

/Judges, does that constitute liberal hate?

It's pretty sad when you're too authoritarian and extremist for the Republican Party.

/9-11 9-11 9-11

Of course this plan protects the people who really take advantage of illegal immigration - the companies that hire illegal immigrants. Cut off the incentive to come here and it will at least help stop the influx, but god forbid we touch that precious bottom line.

Doctor Hooey: Of course this plan protects the people who really take advantage of illegal immigration - the companies that hire illegal immigrants. Cut off the incentive to come here and it will at least help stop the influx, but god forbid we touch that precious bottom line.


Whatever you do - if you want the truth - DON'T follow the money!!

godofusa.com: good. keep track of those that are NOT supposed to be here.

*blank stare*

That unmakes sense?

Fingerprint us and make us carry an ID card, sounds a little familiar. Oh, yeah, they already do.
Still, he probably won't have to raise taxes much to pay for it, but that's not what the D o H S will be telling him.

dudemanbro

Why would I want to resist Tranny? They are cheaper than regular hookers.

Giuliani proposes ID cards, fingerprinting and tracking devices for immigrants.

I fail to see the problem here since the rest of the US citizens have this. Should 'immigrants' have more freedom than US citizens?

If only we had laws against illegal immigration.

serpent_sky
Timmy_McTiggot: *blank stare*

That unmakes sense?

People have a hard time telling the difference between legal and illegal immigrants and seem to think that you can somehow keep track of illegal immigrants. If THAT was truly possible, there wouldn't be illegal immigrants.

This proposal does nothing. Illegal immigrants might be found out if people walk around asking anyone who looks like they might be an immigrant for their special card -- but how screwed up is that? Otherwise, it just makes legal immigrants second class citizens. It also doesn't make sense, since there are plenty of people born here who "look foreign." What would it prove? How would it be enforced?

Anyone who thinks this is a good idea is as batshiat crazy as Giuliani.

Well I don't think it is a good idea, but it would work for one type of illegal immigrant that is actually fairly common (particularly in places like New York I would imagine) and that's people that come over on some sort of valid, temporary visas or similar and then overstay. Of course this is about immigrants, because if you are an immigrant you will be able to stay, note how in his speech he says:

create a central database to track the legal status of visitors to the country

Note the use of the term visitors to the country, not immigrants.

Now of course once they know conclusively that some group of people that they theorectically know the names of should have left the country, what happens next is a big question mark, hence not sure there is much to be gained by such legislation, but I guess it is a first step to a solution, so there could be some worthwhile reason to implement it.

Now of course in this speech he is jumping between talking about legislation that would could only really help stop people overstaying visas, and then talking about illegal immigrants crossing the border unchecked, so he is deliberately trying to confuse the issue and make it sound like this legislation would be useful on the wider issue when as you point out it wouldn't be, but that's politics for you I guess.

Timmy_McTiggot
I'm saying that the illegals shouldn't be here in the first place, so whatever it takes to find out what those waste of tax dollars are up to, I'm for it.

ajl_mo: OK OK you people win.. I'll tell you all the easy way to end illegal immigration and then everyone can stop whining about it.

Every employer is required to have a valid SSN for every employee. A system for checking these SSN's can be established and if anything hinky shows up on the check it's refered to the SSA for verification. If the employer doesn't have a valid SSN for every employee stiff fines are paid. No Jobs=No Illegals

/In other words, enforce the laws on the books

If the numbers we've been given are anything close to correct, there would be no American fruit crop for the first two years after this plan was implemented. (And ADM would make sure that this plan never went through, sadly.)

Can someone make a couple of "accidents" happen to Guiliani if he makes it past primaries?

There's a reason his constituents referred to him as the Midtown Mussolini while he was mayor. Once an authoritarian wop, always an authoritarian wop.

Giuliani: Combining the worst aspects of Benito and Hoover since the mid '90s!

Besides, the "putting the stars on them so they'll be easier to find and harass or kill later" versus "carrying an ID card in their wallets so we can tell they're visitors versus illegal immigrants" thing is really obvious to people who can actually think.

It started with ID cards too in Germany. It was years before visible markings were use.

It also won't work if you do it to only immigrants. How do you tell the difference between citizens and illegal immigrants then by looks alone? Now citizens have to carry the same ID to prove their citizens and it requires a constant asking for papers.

Emperor Giuliani's thirst for power is only exceeded by one in this universe... and that's by Mr. Tinkles.

limeyfellow: It started with ID cards too in Germany. It was years before visible markings were use.

It also won't work if you do it to only immigrants. How do you tell the difference between citizens and illegal immigrants then by looks alone? Now citizens have to carry the same ID to prove their citizens and it requires a constant asking for papers.

WTF is up with the hyperbole?

Immigrants already get ID cards (green cards) they are just too easy to fake. All Giuliani is proposing is that they are more secure.