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(C|Net)   Google wants to depose Stewart and Colbert in Viacom lawsuit. Why does YouTube hate America?   (news.com.com) divider line 64
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2007-08-14 12:11:38 PM
alleging that Google and YouTube encourage users to pirate copyright material.

Well, they do. The most-watched videos on YouTube are bits taken from copyrighted shows, not footage of Aunt Glenda tripping over a skateboard. But good luck with that.
 
2007-08-14 12:21:18 PM
Stewart and Colbert on the stand? Must-see Court TV.
 
2007-08-14 12:40:07 PM
A billion in damages seems a bit steep for a couple of cable shows that don't air until after 11 PM.
 
2007-08-14 12:41:06 PM
I don't see this as being piracy, just convenience. Anyone willing to watch an entire show at YouTube quality is either retarded or will be after viewing.

When Viacom is able to make all content available at all times, similar to an on-demand service, then it might be considered piracy.

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2007-08-14 12:45:57 PM
I could have sworn that Colbert and Stewart made fun of Viacom and did parodies of the lawsuit. In fact, it seems to me that they really don't care.

However, considering that the entire show is available on Comedy Central's website, why go to YouTube with crappy quality?
 
2007-08-14 01:15:51 PM
Someone needs to 'splain "free advertising" to Viacom.
They are so busy trying to line their pockets with every penny that they can't see that YouTube and other sites like it are an advertising boom for them.
 
2007-08-14 01:33:55 PM
dillenger69: Someone needs to 'splain "free advertising" to Viacom.
They are so busy trying to line their pockets with every penny that they can't see that YouTube and other sites like it are an advertising boom for them.


This.

And also, I personally think that no one should be able to sue over what happens on the Internet. If I were in charge I would pass a law that would make it impossible to sue or use as evidence anything that is taken or put on the web. On the Internet nothing can be proven beyond the reasonable doubt.
 
2007-08-14 01:48:02 PM
klymen: On the Internet nothing can be proven beyond the reasonable doubt.

Except for the "men should not sit naked on wooden-slat chairs" issue.
 
2007-08-14 02:23:52 PM
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2007-08-14 02:45:13 PM
If Viacom would buy enough servers, I'd watch the damn routines there instead of on YouTube.

Cheap frickin akami.net.
 
2007-08-14 02:53:38 PM
thenapalm: Anyone willing to watch an entire show at YouTube quality is either retarded or will be after viewing.

Aye.

If I was still taking mass transit to work every day or I travelled a lot I might feel differently about it but I have absolutely zero interest in watching TV on any computer or any mobile device.

When I watch TV it's via Tivo on a 100" FP screen.

(Except for stupid 60 second work-wasting videos, of course.)
 
2007-08-14 02:53:40 PM
Marcus Aurelius: A billion in damages seems a bit steep for a couple of cable shows that don't air until after 11 PM.

You have to pay to get podcast of the episodes. They want you to buy it from them.
 
2007-08-14 02:56:37 PM
What we need is a congressional investigation! Who knew, what did they know, and when did they know it?

I'm calling Chuck Schumer...
 
2007-08-14 02:58:26 PM
I can't wait to hear what each of them has to say about this on their respective shows.

Viacom charging people to download the podcasts has always struck me as a low blow. I'm already paying for the cable, now I have to pay for a few measly megabytes as well? I could record it on my TiVo or VCR for free. It puzzles me. Who in their right mind would pay for those podcasts?
 
2007-08-14 02:59:36 PM
I'm pretty sure Jon and Steve are on Googles side in this one. That whole thing about creating art because you want people to see it and not for money type stuff. Or just getting the messge out anyway possible.
 
2007-08-14 03:01:21 PM
I thought it was a real kick in the nuts for Viacom to go after YouTube after it basically made Colbert's green-screen challenge possible.
 
2007-08-14 03:03:49 PM
If Google gets the Daily Show and Colbert shut down or censored, I will be very very upset with them.
 
2007-08-14 03:05:43 PM
Considering the quality and length of most Youtube clips, this isn't so much piracy as it is free advertising. Viacom's stupid to turn it down, IMO.
 
2007-08-14 03:06:01 PM
This is just an excuse, the lawyers for google just want to meet them.
 
Ant
2007-08-14 03:09:21 PM
Pocket Ninja: alleging that Google and YouTube encourage users to pirate copyright material.

Well, they do. The most-watched videos on YouTube are bits taken from copyrighted shows, not footage of Aunt Glenda tripping over a skateboard. But good luck with that.


Who is it hurting if people still watch the show? I could understand if people were watching Youtube instead of Comedy Central, but they're watching Youtube and Comedy Central.
 
2007-08-14 03:12:49 PM
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2007-08-14 03:13:58 PM
Pocket Ninja

The most-watched videos on YouTube are bits taken from copyrighted shows, not footage of Aunt Glenda tripping over a skateboard. But good luck with that.

No, no, Aunt Glenda tripping over a skateboard is pretty popular....

Except that clip is also copyrighted since it was ripped from an episode of America's Funniest Home Videos.
 
2007-08-14 03:15:26 PM
Are the people in charge at Viacom total freakin idiots? All the YouTube clips do is make those shows MORE popular. RETARDS.
 
2007-08-14 03:15:37 PM
dillenger69: Someone needs to 'splain "free advertising" to Viacom.
They are so busy trying to line their pockets with every penny that they can't see that YouTube and other sites like it are an advertising boom for them.


Seems to me that same argument was tried with MP3s back in the day....
 
2007-08-14 03:16:38 PM
Viacom is shooting itself in the foot. They're going to hold out as long as they can and become the RIAA of internet user scorn because they were too slow to adapt. It's a weak thing to do to heap legal action on people who are enacting change. People want their entertainment faster than the outlets can provide it, and rather than finding new ways to please customers, Viacom is going to start alienating them.

Good business model, hope it works out for ya.
 
2007-08-14 03:18:58 PM
"Except for the "men should not sit naked on wooden-slat chairs" issue."

I still don't buy that that actually happened...
 
2007-08-14 03:22:28 PM
Canadian Canuck: I could have sworn that Colbert and Stewart made fun of Viacom and did parodies of the lawsuit. In fact, it seems to me that they really don't care.

However, considering that the entire show is available on Comedy Central's website, why go to YouTube with crappy quality?


They never load for me, probably because I have doubleclick blocked at the router level.
 
2007-08-14 03:25:32 PM
Way to lose support Google. Bringing the big guns into this.

/Truthiness trumps cripple fight
 
2007-08-14 03:29:47 PM
I'm sure this lawsuit made lawyers for Viacom and Google cream themselves when it was announced awhile back. This is the lawsuit that will keep on giving ... it'll put their kids in college, put em up in a big ass house, and buy that nice new boat they've been eying to put that asshole Flanders next door to shame-diddly-ame. We'll not hear the end of it for a long time as they hash it out, and in the end, nothing will happen.

/should've gone to law school
 
2007-08-14 03:29:49 PM
reillan: Seems to me that same argument was tried with MP3s back in the day....

I'd buy that argument if an MP3 weren't the entirety of the content in question.
I don't think people should put entire shows on YouTube.
But clips are just free advertising.
 
2007-08-14 03:32:17 PM
Blues_X
klymen: On the Internet nothing can be proven beyond the reasonable doubt.

Except for the "men should not sit naked on wooden-slat chairs" issue.


THIS
 
2007-08-14 03:38:54 PM
If they put those two on the stand it will be the funniest comedy routine of the YEAR.
 
2007-08-14 03:45:45 PM
I recall both Stewart's show and Colbert's show talking about and using YouTube on many occasions. Very affectionately I might add.
Personally, I'd like to see either or both of them discuss the matter on their respective shows sometime this week.
 
2007-08-14 03:46:46 PM
"This could go to determining non-infringing uses," Litvack said. "If Viacom used the clips for marketing or promotional purposes Google could argue that Colbert needs to be deposed."

Except that he didn't. Way to do background on your article there cnet.
 
2007-08-14 03:50:19 PM
Viacom is run by a bunch of tards. FREE ADVERTISING
 
2007-08-14 03:50:45 PM
I find it sooo depressing. We are being overcharged for every piece of crap that any media outlet wants to sell you. I mean, $.99 for a song? That's $12.00 for an album with no artwork, no shipping costs, and you have to take the time and utilize your own equipment just to receive it. We're stupidly allowing ourselves to be manipulated and milked by industries that provide barely passable entertainment. Also, how much of each download or viewing actually reaches the entertainer and doesn't end up in lawyers pockets? C'mon people! Let's hold the industries to higher standards.
 
2007-08-14 03:52:26 PM
Stewart and Colbert will make them regret this. Google is nuts.
 
2007-08-14 03:57:32 PM
the real question is, will i be able to view their testimony on youtube?
 
2007-08-14 04:00:11 PM
Interesting, it was clips from YouTube that got me hooked on the Daily Show. I just have my PVR record them and then stream that to my laptop. (Higher quality.)
 
2007-08-14 04:14:16 PM
thenapalm

Anyone willing to watch an entire show at YouTube quality is either retarded or will be after viewing.

I watch tons of entire shows at YouTube quality. It's very close to television resolution; YouTube clips are 450x338, while television is 640x480.
 
2007-08-14 04:33:24 PM
GlitchCog: I watch tons of entire shows at YouTube quality. It's very close to television resolution; YouTube clips are 450x338, while television is 640x480.

Two points:
1) I didn't get the memo that 70% is "very close".
2) Framerate and stutters.

If you think it's the same your TV sucks ass. More power to you though, if you can handle it. It would drive me up a farking tree.
 
2007-08-14 04:33:43 PM
CowboyNinjaD: I thought it was a real kick in the nuts for Viacom to go after YouTube after it basically made Colbert's green-screen challenge possible.

It wont be a kick in the nutz, this simple thing could end the whole lawsuit with a loss for viacom (as the article mentioned).
 
2007-08-14 04:35:18 PM
I'll bet he was playing with a light saber.
 
2007-08-14 04:37:32 PM
reillan
Seems to me that same argument was tried with MP3s back in the day....

The problem with that is the industry group that sues folks over MP3s is doing so because their only two business costs are production and artist development. They don't want a lot of advertising for artists, because they make more money when they sell 10 million copies of one album than they do selling one million copies each of 10 different albums.

The thing about TV is it's so difficult to get a program on there, that this can't possibly be what Viacom cares about. They are just shooting themselves in the foot with this lawsuit, whether they win or lose.
 
2007-08-14 04:55:31 PM
Jument:
Youtube works fine for stuff like the Daily Show where the vast majority of it is just speech and the occasional visual gag. It'd be terrible for an action show though.
 
2007-08-14 05:05:21 PM
mikaelhg: If Google gets the Daily Show and Colbert shut down or censored, I will be very very upset with them.

Can you learn how to read sometime soon?
 
2007-08-14 05:09:47 PM
F*ck Viacom.
 
2007-08-14 05:44:11 PM
Jon Stewart:
I look at systems like the Internet as a convenience. I look at it as the same as cable or anything else. Everything is geared toward more individualized consumption. Getting it off the Internet is no different than getting it off TV.
source (pops)

/btw, check my Stewart/Cobert 08 t-shirts (pops)
//or dont
 
2007-08-14 05:50:29 PM
Napalm

HDTV baby... HDTV!!!
 
2007-08-14 05:53:38 PM
Will they enter this as evidence?
Viacom's V of Doom! (new window)
 
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