burndtdan: the very concept of conservative meaning in support of a christian state, governed by christian morality, is the problem with modern "conservatives" and will hopefully be their downfall. i would love to live in a world where the conservatives want the governement to stop moral decisions for its people.

I'd be able to vote Republican with a clear conscience if all the militant Christian Nationalists would just split off into their own third party.

jimpoz, you have stolen my thunder. Well done, sir.

PHASEOLUS: WIN

Anyone running for restoration of the proper process of election for federal senators, reinstating the draft requirement and removing voting rights for people on welfare? 'Cause we're pretty much screwed without those in the long run.

One Shot Memtok: Man, Godwin's Law didn't even have a chance to warm up on this thread.

It's a political thread about the GOP...I think Godwin's law needs a x^99999999 to account for the subject at hand.

JabronieRamone: If this was 20 or 30 years ago, Hillary Clinton would be a moderate Republican.

Hell, if this was 20 or 30 years ago, Bush would be slobbering drunk in a bar. Times change.

Shouldn't the RINO award be made of brass, not gold?

This is clearly a neo-con ploy to try and retain control of the party they hi-jacked. Some of the legislators included on that list are the most common-sense, free-market, small government republicans in the party.

That is in fact a list of the best republicans we currently have, ones who are willing to work on bi-partisan legislation and don't seek to control every aspect of american lives. They are what should define the republican party.

Gilbert, who describes himself as an "ordinary American just like you," says he is running for the Republican presidential nomination.

I know Me, Mr. Gilbert, you are no Me.

char_boy: d'art: RINO is the Christian Conservative word for people who favor small government over the Christian political expansion of governmental powers.

Well put. There doesn't seem to be much room in the GOP for fiscal conservative/social liberal types.

The head of the Pubes in Arizona pretty much summed it up when he said to get with the right wing, religious nutbag program or get the hell out of the party. So much for Reagan, Goldwater and Lincoln

Shaggy_C: One Shot Memtok: Man, Godwin's Law didn't even have a chance to warm up on this thread.

It's a political thread about the GOP...I think Godwin's law needs a x^99999999 to account for the subject at hand.

The Fundamentalist Constant?

Voinovich....complete list

FlashLV: "...if California changes their electoral vote law.

I hope it passes."

Just curious -- would you be in favor of other states changing their electoral vote laws, say, Texas and Florida? Or the entire South, or every state nationwide?? Or maybe even doing away with the electoral college and having the popular vote elect the President?

...or are most Republicans only in favor of changing California's law because that one change would greatly benefit Republicans?

I'm honestly curious about this.

Suck it, Scarlett Johannson.

No really. I want you to suck it.

Sadly, there is only ONE true conservitive running this year - Ron Paul. He's actually for:

- Small (way small - like abolish the IRS small) Government
- Going back to the gold standard
- Personal Privacy

The irony is that this is why today's Republican party (all of government for that matter) want him out of the race. Don't worry, my future overlords, Paul will never be able to raise the $400-500 million it takes to run a presidential campaign.

I'm not a supporter of ANY politician - just pointing out the facts.

phaseolus: FlashLV: "...if California changes their electoral vote law.

I hope it passes."

Just curious -- would you be in favor of other states changing their electoral vote laws, say, Texas and Florida? Or the entire South, or every state nationwide?? Or maybe even doing away with the electoral college and having the popular vote elect the President?

...or are most Republicans only in favor of changing California's law because that one change would greatly benefit Republicans?

I'm honestly curious about this.

I hope they all change, makes sense to split em.

Dinki [

But they still think Bush is doing a heckuva job....

Bush would be the lead RINO in my book.

So is a RINO something like a "Christmas and Easter Christian"?

People have been throwing around the RINO name for years, and they generally only use it on folks who are moderates. I'm surprised by the names of some of the folks on that list like Jon Kyl and Trent Lott.

This type of witch hunt is something that the Republicans need to nip in the bud immediately. The party benefited greatly when the Democrats purged all of the conservatives from the party, who fled to the Republicans and are now the party's base. If they push out all of the moderates into being independents or Democrats, they are going to be stuck in the minority for a long time. At the end of the day, you may not agree with how Collins or Snowe vote, but they caucus with the Rs, and that's what's important.

Andulamb: If you're bothered by what an Arizona senator is doing, or by what a California governor is doing, and you don't live in either place... Too farking bad. The Arizona senator represents the people State of Arizona.

Repeal the 16th

phaseolus: I'm old enough to remember when most Repubs weren't crazy. They believed in not wasting money and (for the most part) prudent, sane public policy. I liked them. The ones on the fringe were the 'Birchers' and they were ridiculed by intelligent people of all political stripes.

Starting in the mid '70s the Bircher types took over the party, gaining momentum in the 80s when that figurehead they worship led them. The sane ones are an endangered species. Today their big tent includes the theocrats, the kleptos, the kill-em-all-let-God-sort-em-out crowd, the people who want to take Science out of the Science classrooms. That's the norm.

Based on the definition I grew up with, they're almost all Republicans-in-name-only.


do you perchance have some reading material available for dispensation?

millertrey: Not unlike Hillary who is MINO (Moderate In Name Only). She is the definition of Liberal.

Odd, most liberals I know can't stand her.

sod213: I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative.. what party do I belong to? :)

Hint, it's definitely not the current party of (R)

If you happen to find one, let me know.

DrRatchet [TotalFark] Quote 2007-08-14 01:05:25 PM
Rino:

Any of the Neocons, or anyone in the current administration or any supporter of the current administration. None of these people are truly Republicans, not the Republican party of Goldwater or even Reagan.

Hmmm interesting considering there are at least 4 billionaires that belong to the democrat party. The owner of moveon.org is a billionaire of the extreme left flavor. I guess that would make you neo-crats.

phaseolus: ...or are most Republicans only in favor of changing California's law because that one change would greatly benefit Republicans?

I'm honestly curious about this.

Actually, splitting them all would get the college back to what was intended, which was a simple check on the democratic process. In most cases the popular vote and the electoral college vote would be quite similar if not identical. It's always good to keep in mind that when the college system was implemented, there was not an established 2 party system, that bit of abortion came later.

You know, the RINO's sound libertarian to me. The libertarian's could seriously win and 2008 is the type of election it could happen in...if they'd only soften their position on drugs and assault weapons.

/libertarian
//like republicans, but not afraid of sex

Shaggy_C: One Shot Memtok: Man, Godwin's Law didn't even have a chance to warm up on this thread.

It's a political thread about the GOP...I think Godwin's law needs a x^99999999 to account for the subject at hand.



If your political party practices neo-fascism, you will be called out on it. Don't be surprised about it. Fascism is bad, not good.

I like the idea of renaming them the Militant Christian Nationalists party, as it would be more accurate. Rather than referring to their party as one that is anti-government waste, pro-fiscal responsibility, pro-smaller government, and pro-civil liberies. I really wish republicans still praticed these tenants, instead of practicing the opposite.

I nominate Abraham Lincoln and Barry Goldwater.

Surely they weren't real Republicans.

According to these asshats, men like Lincoln, T. Roosevelt, Eisenhower and Nixon are RINOs.

· While Nixon was a paranoid fool who destroyed himself because of his power trip, he did institute the EPA, the Endangered Species Act, the Clean Water Act and the Clean Air act. Additionally, he opened diplomatic relations with Red China.
· Eisenhower gave us one of the largest spending bills of all time: the Interstate Highway act. Plus, he had a keen insight on the corruptive power of the close collusion of lobbyists and politicians - the famous "Beware the military-industrial complex" statement.
· Roosevelt created the National Park System and helped advance the conservation movement in the US.
· With Lincoln, I think we know his stance on that whole states' rights argument and usage of power of the Federal Government in overriding the States beliefs.

These positions of some of the greatest men in US history + Nixon run contrary to the neo-conservative movement and are truly an anathema to the Goldwater/Reagan Republicans.


\I just wanted to post a slashie
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\\\OK, one political one: Suck it neo-cons

millertrey

Not unlike Hillary who is MINO (Moderate In Name Only). She is the definition of Liberal.

FAIL.

She is the definition of Progressive. Which is not Liberal, but Communist/Socialist.

True Liberals want to protect the constitution and peoples rights to free speech. They will do what is right to the country before what is right for the individual.

chronoPilot: The libertarian's could seriously win

No they couldn't.

Dammit. I missed the Godwin already.

What if the Nazi's had a Godwin?

For those who don't know what true, American conservatism is.

macdaddy357 for Prez.

It does indeed seem to an outsider that the GOP is a bit of a con, by which the wealthy use religion to convince the uneducated to vote for policies which are counter to their own interests.

What do you get when you cross an elephant with a rhino?

LIB IT, SUCKS!!!

wait

How can Trent Lott be considered a RINO? This seems backwards.

Savage Belief: They will do what is right to the country before what is right for the individual.

I believe that was the line of reasoning Bush had for his wiretaps, what Marx argued in his creation of Communism, and coincidentally what Hillary means when she says 'it takes a village to raise a child'.

I don't think you want to be aligning yourself with that characteristic.

Wow, surprised no one mentioned Dr. Ron Paul.

He's the Libertarian hiding as a Republican so he can actually get onto decent TV programs to spread his message of Fiscal Conservative and Socially Liberal message.

If you like small government and want them out of your lives, then your best bet is to vote Libertarian (which Paul ran for in '88 and won 3rd with 1% of the vote). He's running again under the GOP (since the GOP 100+ years ago was practically Libertarian), and he actually has a chance this time.

See if the Nolan chart fits you:

They will do what is right to the country before what is right for the individual.

Not to say they will do what is right for the "State". But they will defend the life of the country as a whole, rather than on an individual basis.

/Thought that needed clarifying.

mexicymru: macdaddy357 for Prez.

It does indeed seem to an outsider that the GOP is a bit of a con, by which the wealthy use religion to convince the uneducated to vote for policies which are counter to their own interests.

Ditto for the Democrat Party, politics is pandering, plenty of millionaires in both parties.

So let me get this straight.

Both Romney and Giuliani are considered RINO's

Depending on which poll you use, Romney or Giuliani lead the polls.

So what happens if either one of these two gets the Republican Presidential Nomination? Will the GOP refrain from voting en masse?

Of course not.

RINO or not, registered Republicans will vote for whoever their Presidential Candidate is.

My - 100% Florida - 100% conservative - 100% Republican voting buddy is totally disgusted with today's R party. He's never even missed a city council ballot before.

Today.... He's a registered Independant.

We never deeply talk politics. (I guess that's one way we stayed friends for so long). Today's Rs make him so mad, but I don't gloat. I just hope to point to why some of the Dems might be worth a glance, (before he makes the sign of the cross).

He's really come along. He stopped watching only Faux Nooze and stopped donating blindly to the RNC. He's stopped Ditto-head Rushing. This guy has been a solid R block voter 45 for years.

These guys have finally lost him. I never thought I'd see the day.

Maybe I should send him this RINO site.. lol snort. He'd have a ball!

Current "Top RINO" nominees include Sen. Jon Kyl of Arizona (a leader on immigration "reform"; Senator and presidential candidate John McCain; Sens. Mel Martinez of Florida, Larry Craig of Idaho, Richard Lugar of Indiana, Olympia Snowe of Maine, Trent Lott of Mississippi, Chuck Hagel of Nebraska, Judd Gregg of New Hampshire, Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, Bob Bennett of Utah, California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, and presidential candidates Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney.

Huh?