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(Some future 'dodger)   Army Lt. Gen. Douglas Lute on reinstating the draft: "I think it makes sense to certainly consider it"   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 422
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2007-08-10 09:20:48 PM
Well, the only war we ever won with a volunteer army was our first one. After that, it's taken conscription to defeat our enemies.
 
2007-08-10 09:34:12 PM
It'll never happen.
 
2007-08-10 09:37:33 PM
I do think it's been considered before, Mr. Lute.
 
2007-08-10 09:37:44 PM
ok, time to pack my bags and move to Canada.


/eh?
 
2007-08-10 09:38:10 PM
www.houseoffusion.com

/approves
 
2007-08-10 09:38:18 PM
I'm seriously starting to wonder if they're flat out trying to start an armed revolt at home, so they can finally go all-out with the Emergency Powers power-grab.
 
2007-08-10 09:38:19 PM
First greenlight. Awwwww yeah.

/wish it were better circumstances
 
2007-08-10 09:38:33 PM
Taken from another forum upon hearing the news

"HELL YEA! AND HOO RAH! Get these little snot nosed, selfish, tatooed, video game playing, ADDAHD kids in the war zone. Fix their shiat real fast!".

There seems to be some support for it.
 
2007-08-10 09:38:37 PM
Aside from the one quote (probably in response to a question about whether we might, at some time, need a draft), the General spent a lot of time reminding the writer just how much we AREN'T going to have one any time in the near future.

But don't worry - we won't get a draft unless Hillary gets elected. Dems seem to like the draft - they spent a lot of effort pushing for one in recent years.
 
2007-08-10 09:38:40 PM
Oh yeah, here it comes...

A draft might just wake some of the country up.

\isn't joking
 
2007-08-10 09:39:35 PM
Oh come on, this is just some douche bag General's off-the-cuff response.
 
2007-08-10 09:39:42 PM
42 and no kids here. Draft, no draft...don't care.

/meh
 
2007-08-10 09:39:56 PM
...and every NCO with a functioning brain that doesnt need more work made for him by idiots and asshats who dont want to be there is saying "Please no.. Anything but that"...

Officers who dont have to deal with punishment crap from the E ranks (read O6 and above) will be like, "Hey there is an idea..."
 
2007-08-10 09:40:47 PM
Yeah, it isn't going to happen. If it did, the opposition to this idiot war would grow too much.
 
2007-08-10 09:41:39 PM
how could it grow more? even those of us who have been in it and are in it dont really want to be there anymore.. We just have to.
 
2007-08-10 09:41:53 PM
yeah, well I think it makes sense to consider ending this stupid war.
 
2007-08-10 09:42:14 PM
Bush is waayyy too motivated by his job approval numbers to do something as foolhearty as reinstating the draft...



/...
 
2007-08-10 09:43:39 PM
Man On A Mission: Well, the only war we ever won with a volunteer army was our first one. After that, it's taken conscription to defeat our enemies.

What? Except for the Civil War, where it was wildly unsuccessful and only made a small portion of the Union Army, conscription wasn't part of American war-fighting until WWI.

If a draft were instituted in the United States, the people I'd be interested in shooting would be in Washington, D.C.

13th Amendment. It's not complicated.
 
2007-08-10 09:43:43 PM
cirby: But don't worry - we won't get a draft unless Hillary gets elected. Dems seem to like the draft - they spent a lot of effort pushing for one in recent years.

LOL... what? Source, please?
 
2007-08-10 09:43:53 PM
^^ Thankful he turned 26 a few months ago. Not that I haven't had a careful "In case of drafted" plan mapped out since the eve of my 18th.
 
2007-08-10 09:44:19 PM
Fizics: "HELL YEA! AND HOO RAH! Get these little snot nosed, selfish, tatooed, video game playing, ADDAHD kids in the war zone. Fix their shiat real fast!".


He has a point.

It has been suggested that one of the causes for our nation's well being after the end of WWII and throughout the 1950s was in part due to the conditioning the male population had received while part of the armed services.

I don't necessarily agree with the statement, but I don't outright dismiss it, either.
 
2007-08-10 09:44:23 PM
I think they should have a draft. That way all you baby farkers will get off your lazy butts and protest the war. That is what happened during Viet Nam when college students lost their deferments and all hell broke loose at campuses.
 
2007-08-10 09:45:12 PM
Yeah, because the draft worked great against Charlie.
 
2007-08-10 09:45:27 PM
HeWhoHasNoName: I'm seriously starting to wonder if they're flat out trying to start an armed revolt at home, so they can finally go all-out with the Emergency Powers power-grab.

wanted to say "This", but this was my first thought as well.
 
2007-08-10 09:45:38 PM
So far Bush has "funded" the war on credit - almost a trillion dollars worth and has tried to fight his "global war on terror" with an all volunteer fighting force, stretched way too thin and much of it from the national guard, who should be in the US.

If people want this war to continue, a draft will have to happen.
 
2007-08-10 09:45:45 PM
amen j-bagLOL

AuCinaoaMie
if you were asking me "how could it grow more?" Think about it.
 
2007-08-10 09:46:08 PM
People don't give a shiat about anything until it affects them. You try a draft and all hell breaks loose.
 
2007-08-10 09:46:43 PM
Hey Democrats, just so you know, if you're looking for a way to make even me not vote for you, just listen to this guy.
 
2007-08-10 09:47:25 PM
Fizics: "HELL YEA! AND HOO RAH! Get these little snot nosed, selfish, tatooed, video game playing, ADDAHD kids in the war zone. Fix their shiat real fast!".

He is absolutely right, however, sending people to kill other people and be killed by them isn't a good why to do this.
 
2007-08-10 09:48:01 PM
j-bagLOL: Bush is waayyy too motivated by his job approval numbers to do something as foolhearty as reinstating the draft...



/...


Uhh, yeah; right.

/42
//ARNG enlistment age raised to 42 last year
///would've went except for being clinically depressed, ADHD, *&* diabetic
 
2007-08-10 09:48:07 PM
Meh. I already did my six years.
 
2007-08-10 09:48:32 PM
Mad Scientist: 42 and no kids here. Draft, no draft...don't care.

/meh


And you sir are what's wrong with your farking country.

If it doesn't directly effect you as an indevidual in any way yo can see in a small three minute window of thought (or as long as it takes to microwave a pissa pop), then who cares, right.

Jesus Christ people. Open your fhhucking eyes and look beyond your front fhhucking yard when considering issues at hand. It doesn't take *THAT* much more effort.
 
2007-08-10 09:48:53 PM
'The Huffington Post'? Jesus farking Christ, you must be retarded to accept anything from that hard-left source as 'news'.
 
2007-08-10 09:49:08 PM
submitter: Army Lt. Gen. Douglas Lute on reinstating the draft: "I think it makes sense to certainly consider it"

Does this mean Bush jr. can be drafted?

/too old he is, young bullet fodder.
//But hey.
///You can get out of basic training by shooting at the officers when you is given a gun.
 
2007-08-10 09:49:24 PM
Aww? Where's the "FREEDOM ISNT FREE!!!111" crowd when you need them? All for war until it looks like they might have to go.
 
2007-08-10 09:49:48 PM
From a needs standpoint, a draft would get what we need, albeit slowly: many more boots on the ground in Iraq. I doubt a draft would be implemented, though. Most of the country is tired of this war and all the blunders made by 'patriots' that cost lives each time.

Bush would never agree to a draft.... it would force him to admit he was wrong and implement a pull-out (ala Somalia in 93).

I'm 19 going on 20 and in good physical shape. I like guns and can handle them well. Would I go?..... No. Not out of fear, although I'd be afraid. I simply believe wars should be fought only when absolutely necessary and with clear objectives set out. The Iraq war fulfills neither category.
 
2007-08-10 09:49:59 PM
Good! Fark (and the rest of society) would be a better place if the pussified youth of America got some discipline.
 
2007-08-10 09:50:00 PM
the draft is an excellent idea. people of draft age 18 to 25 ?? are generally annoying wigger types with no imagination. they were raised rather flagrantly to be mindless consumers. not all of them, but as a generation, its mostly true.
because of this fact, i think a draft would do them good.
 
2007-08-10 09:51:36 PM
3rdorderofsimulacra: because of this fact, i think a draft would do them good.

I don't like your attitude, therefore I'm going to have the government illegally enslave you.

That's the American spirit!
 
2007-08-10 09:51:55 PM
cirby:
But don't worry - we won't get a draft unless Hillary gets elected. Dems seem to like the draft - they spent a lot of effort pushing for one in recent years.


The Democrats' logic is that if there's an active draft, we as a nation won't be so gung-ho to go into optional wars. It certainly would keep people more aware of the actual cost of war -- and maybe even more questioning of the need for war -- if they had to worry about their kids being forced to fight.

Maybe if there had been a draft after 9/11, the populace wouldn't have been so ready to support Bush's call for invading and occupying a nation unrelated to the 9/11 attacks.
 
2007-08-10 09:52:09 PM
I have no problem cockpunching anyone in uniform who insists any civilian should serve if they have served, and now are a civilian.
/served, honorably, 'Nam era
//civilian now.
///give good cakpunches at random, gimme a reason.
 
2007-08-10 09:52:13 PM
zjwillie: Um how could the opposition to this war grow more? Almost everyone I have met in the last three years is asking Why the hell we are there. Actually, upon reflection, I cant remember anyone who is actually for it other than people like Pat Robertson and that ilk.

People are just more concerned with keeping a roof over their heads. the best way to keep someone from seeing the big picture is to make him worry about surviving. Its just more obvious to me since I live in Michigan..
 
2007-08-10 09:52:22 PM
Random General "I think we might need a draft"

Freaked out Democrat "No Wai! The troop levels are fine as they are"

Farker response "I see what you did there."
 
2007-08-10 09:52:25 PM
Do they still do college deferement?

//will be in Canada
 
2007-08-10 09:52:47 PM
Stopheles: The Democrats' logic is that if there's an active draft, we as a nation won't be so gung-ho to go into optional wars.

Because it worked so well in Korea and Vietnam...
 
2007-08-10 09:53:57 PM
Mad Scientist: 42 and no kids here. Draft, no draft...don't care

Me too. I think it is stupid to go to the draft again except that it would involve taking a lot of those war supporters to the war. I am all for that. Even if I weren't passed the age I wouldn't go. Not to Iraq at least.
 
2007-08-10 09:54:14 PM
j-bagLOL: Bush is waayyy too motivated by his job approval numbers to do something as foolhearty as reinstating the draft...



/...


Hahaha... As if Bush give a shiat, his 2 terms is up.

The mess will end up in the next president's laps .
 
2007-08-10 09:54:41 PM
It'll never happen. This country is being run by people who had to sweat out the draft lotteries. Ain't gonna happen again.
 
2007-08-10 09:55:14 PM
I think they should have a draft. That way all you baby farkers will get off your lazy butts and protest the war. That is what happened during Viet Nam when college students lost their deferments and all hell broke loose at campuses.

This.

Although I think the powers that be learned their hard lesson last time, and won't give us the satisfaction.

/Please, oh please, give me a chance to burn my draft card...
 
2007-08-10 09:55:32 PM
Sooner or later he's going to be right at this rate.

Looks like they are starting to look at this option more seriously.

How can they not?

Bush doesn't want to go that route because he knows this is an unpopular war.

I don't want a draft.

But what is winning?

And what's it going to take?

Bushco didn't handle this war correctly from the very beginning.

If a draft is what it would take to really go in there and clean up would he do it?

Is he serious enough to stand behind his war?

Or is he going to wear the troops down and let the democrats deal with all the problems later and/or deal with a withdrawal...

...a plan that he never even took time to come up with from the get go?


I mean not saying I want a draft... but if that was the best route to go... would it be right for the President to choose to ignore it until it isn't his problem anymore?

Or will it be necessary later if the Dems aren't going to be able to pull us out of it?

(just assuming the Dems win... because... well, just because. Even if the Repubs won we'd still have these problems to face tho)

At what point would a draft become necessary, popular or not?
 
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