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2007-08-10 08:44:23 AM
If being addicted to heroin, Marlboros or Grey Goose can be a factor in your contribution to your health care costs, then I kinda can't see why being addicted to Yodels should be exempt.
 
2007-08-10 08:50:18 AM
If this is true, then I should be able to sue the company for some form of poor health entrapment for stocking the break room with soda and pre-packaged, fatty snacks.
 
2007-08-10 08:59:39 AM
Mr. Coffee Nerves: If being addicted to heroin, Marlboros or Grey Goose can be a factor in your contribution to your health care costs, then I kinda can't see why being addicted to Yodels should be exempt.

The moment you picked up that needle, you should have your health insurance revoked.It's a persons choice to do that to themselves.
 
2007-08-10 09:01:19 AM
Pocket Ninja: If this is true, then I should be able to sue the company for some form of poor health entrapment for stocking the break room with soda and pre-packaged, fatty snacks.

And are they liable for giving me a workload that requires 60-70-hour weeks so the only time I can get to the gym is 5AM?
 
2007-08-10 09:08:16 AM
Well, perhaps if they let their employees actually work reasonable hours so they'd have time to get to the gym and eat healthy meals, instead of grabbing fast food as they drive home late at night, they wouldn't have as much a problem. Seriously, if corporations are going to charge extra for being fat, they should give discounts to those who join a gym and go on a regular basis (at my YMCA, my ID card is scanned every time I enter, at least proving I was there).

A lot of the problem is that we work in jobs that require little physical activity and, due to time constraints, that make it a challenge to eat healthy. If companies want to their employees to be leaner, they need to admit they are part of the fat problem and take steps to alleviate the problem, whether that is creating in-house gyms & cutting work loads to let employees exercise, or simply arranging with nearby gyms to give employee discounts.

Another problem is that people think they're eating healthy, but really aren't. How many calories are in that "healthy" soup or salad you buy? Unless you take the time to make your lunch in the morning, you're going to eat what is available in stores near your office. The problem with that is you're never exactly sure what you're eating. For example, I make a tuna salad sandwich at home, I know what ingredients I'm putting in. At the store, I don't

In my office, there are only a few really, heavy people, though there are quite a lot of chunky folks, including me. Fortunately, even though our hours can be intense, there is a gym directly across the street from our office that we have discounts to. Some employees go there during their lunch hour to de-stress and burn off a few calories. We're also a telecommuting company, allowing me to take my commute time (1 hour) the 2x a week I work at home and head to the gym to help me keep somewhat in shape. The weight gains really began once our office moved out of midtown Manhattan, where it was easy to find healthier food and exercise via walks during lunch, to Newark, where dining opportunities are few and walking can be hazardous to your health.
 
2007-08-10 09:13:57 AM
Alcoholism is not an "obvious" vice. Many functioning alcoholics are able to hold down jobs, etc. Being overweight is obvious as it stares you in the face.

So, isn't "fining" overweight people when others have "invisible vices" that can affect your health discriminatory?

What about people into extreme sports? Again, that threatens your health. Will they be fined, as well?
 
2007-08-10 09:24:42 AM
Hey, anything to keep the broads in the steno pool from showing up in the summer with those matronly upper arms flapping around.

/what?
 
2007-08-10 09:27:34 AM
Gulper Eel: Hey, anything to keep the broads in the steno pool from showing up in the summer with those matronly upper arms flapping around.

/what?


Steno Pool? Did you just drive back to the office from your three-martini lunch in your sporty new Edsel there, Chet?
 
2007-08-10 09:28:42 AM
Is it okay to draw the line right after such a change? I don't want to have my insurance jacked up because i like to go out jet skiing, playing hockey, or weightlifting. At least those are activities that promote better health. Sure there is a downside to them.. but I'm trying to be better physically/mentally..whereas I don't believe it's in anyones benefit to purposefully eat like a wild hog.
 
2007-08-10 09:30:57 AM
cheesburgers?
 
2007-08-10 09:33:22 AM
Another Fat thread.

Be back in a short. Gotta get my cheetos!

/after my first friday smoke break.
 
2007-08-10 09:33:26 AM
Although I think this is taking it a bit far, I have to say, the employer has every right to do this if they so choose.

The employee also has every right to tell the employer to go fark themselves and quit.
 
2007-08-10 09:33:45 AM
The moment you picked up that needle, you should have your health insurance revoked.It's a persons choice to do that to themselves.

but breakfast, lunch, and dinner aren't a choice. you can't not eat. and who's to say what is good for you and what isn't. One study will say coffee is bad for you, two years later another study says it is good for you. the same with almost every other food. Dairy is bad, then dairy is good. bread and grains are good, then they are bad. do companies really want to start regulating what their employees eat?
 
2007-08-10 09:34:00 AM
I'd like to see this as a "hero" tag.
 
2007-08-10 09:34:15 AM
There are some ladies at my office that had better hope they don't charge by the pound...
 
2007-08-10 09:34:54 AM
It wasn't hard to see this coming.

Tolerance? Inclusivity? Non-discrimination? fark all that, it's too expensive.
 
2007-08-10 09:35:00 AM
www.wayodd.com
 
2007-08-10 09:35:18 AM
Shostie: Although I think this is taking it a bit far, I have to say, the employer has every right to do this if they so choose.

The employee also has every right to tell the employer to go fark themselves and quit.


This.
 
2007-08-10 09:35:25 AM
ga362: Another Fat thread.

Be back in a short. Gotta get my cheetos!

/after my first friday smoke break.


OOH, that reminds me......
 
2007-08-10 09:36:26 AM
SlothB77: The moment you picked up that needle, you should have your health insurance revoked.It's a persons choice to do that to themselves.

but breakfast, lunch, and dinner aren't a choice. you can't not eat. and who's to say what is good for you and what isn't. One study will say coffee is bad for you, two years later another study says it is good for you. the same with almost every other food. Dairy is bad, then dairy is good. bread and grains are good, then they are bad. do companies really want to start regulating what their employees eat?


Yeah, but who's going to argue that a greezy cheeseburger is healthy, I mean, is there much debate here?

just sayin'
 
2007-08-10 09:36:54 AM
ui09.gamespot.com
 
2007-08-10 09:37:09 AM
Dogbeast: It wasn't hard to see this coming.

Tolerance? Inclusivity? Non-discrimination? fark all that, it's too expensive.


Other people shouldering the load for my impulse control, so moonbats can use words like inclusivity, tolerance and (disingenuously) non- discrimination? Priceless.
 
2007-08-10 09:37:12 AM
SlothB77

do companies really want to start regulating what their employees eat?

Nah...only volume...

/recovering fatarse...
 
2007-08-10 09:37:49 AM
You know, we were joking about the fat taxes when you came for the smokers with all this bullshiat.

Next up - employers to start charging their dumber employees more for insurance because they're more likely to get hurt.
 
2007-08-10 09:38:21 AM
I told you fat farks, after us smokers you would be next.

i26.photobucket.com
 
2007-08-10 09:38:25 AM
As despicable as this is I would love it if the majority of the people affected by this simply got up and started losing the pounds.
I would love to see overweight people simply shed the excess and get fit - if for any other reason to tell everyone else to STFU and GBTW.

Too much to ask for? Maybe, but it would be glorious nonetheless to see insurance companies lose money. Few things are better to witness.
 
2007-08-10 09:38:41 AM
This is a better option than having "universal health care" where if the Government feels like those who act in a certain way are costing the rest of us money they will ban that behavior outright.

The poor care that results from Government ineptitude comes second to my fear of control that the Government will have on us if we ever see Socialized health care.
 
2007-08-10 09:39:54 AM
Gee, as soon as it hits the fatasses all the sudden it's taking it too far. What a shocker. I've always looked forward to seeing the hypocrisy.
 
2007-08-10 09:40:03 AM
Actually, cheeseburgers alone aren't what make you fat. It's all the shiat that goes with it that does the trick.

/not that cheeseburgers are healthy
//just not as bad as fries. Especially grilled, non greasy, made from lean beef cheeseburgers...mmmm
 
2007-08-10 09:40:41 AM
In other news; Subby, having only 320 by 480 resolution on his IPhone, seems to have never seen the "stupid" "Asinine" "Dumbass" or "scary" tags.
 
2007-08-10 09:42:20 AM
As an insurance broker, with the countries largest insurance brokerage firm, I am getting a kick out of these replies.

Actually, I am.

Weight is a serious factor. And although people do work long hours, it is not the majority of the country. Most people work 40-50, and they have sedentary jobs, eat processed foods, and sit on their large bottoms all day.

We have a generation who grew up on kool aid and pringles, whose parents from the the ME generations did not instill good eating habits or excercise into them.

My mother grew up on a farm, played sports, and would not allow me to have soft drinks, other than the occasional sprite, sometimes chips, but kept my diet balanced and healthy. I am 37, still 5'4 145 lbs.

Weight lifting is not going to hurt you, unless you are into serious competition and your bmi changes, but then it still doesnt matter. Unless creatine, health shakes and juice, are crapping out your liver.

Only extreme sports can get you rated. Mountain climbing, sky diving, etc. Most things they do not care about. But as for life insurance is concerned, if you are cave diving and base jumping, be prepared to pay. You have to disclose all these things.

Life insurance generally tests all these factors, so the closet drunk is fount out through liver enzymes. Closet smoker through nicotine in urine.

And you can always make time for the gym. I do 2o mins a day on a stationary bike, when I cannot hit the weights or cardio.

Any insurance questions hit me up here.
 
2007-08-10 09:42:25 AM
The soft drink and salty snack industry would beg to differ.
 
2007-08-10 09:42:34 AM
Me and my vices come as a package deal. Don't like them? Don't hire me... Go on, get someone better.
 
2007-08-10 09:42:44 AM
They tax smokes and booze when the items are bought. What of this "fat tax" on snacks I've heard about? Could such a thing be feasible?

Meanwhile, it would be a huge boon to have workout facilities available, or at least discounted memberships.

/Have a gym in-house, which is sooper cheep.
//Gym manager chick is Teh Hawtness
 
2007-08-10 09:42:46 AM
Discrimination lawsuit in the making.

"It's not my fault I'm fat! I demand handicapped parking but don't you dare make me pay more for health insurance!"
 
2007-08-10 09:43:41 AM
nopokerface - Other people shouldering the load for my impulse control, so moonbats can use words like inclusivity, tolerance and (disingenuously) non- discrimination? Priceless.

Just as long nothing interferes with your hard-earned, right?

Hmm, wait a minute, your name is nopokerface. That sounds like the sort of name a gambler would use. Is it fair that you should get insurance when you're more than likely to piss your money away in some casino instead of providing for your family? I don't think so, and I'm certainly not going to give you money so you can blow it all on the craps table. Please fill out a form detailing every aspect of your life so that we can properly ascertain whether you deserve insurance or not.
 
2007-08-10 09:44:07 AM
As a smoker, all I can say is "Hahahahahaaa". Welcome to the ghetto, fatties!

If I don't have health care, can I get a legal document that allows me to do whatever the fark I want to with my body? NO?! That "I gots to pay for your vice" argument doesn't really hold water then, does it?
 
2007-08-10 09:44:10 AM
its about time, my work place upped the insurance rates for smokers. my first question was "what about all the obese people that drive up health care costs?"... to which I received a blank look, of course the person I asked was fat as hell ;)
 
2007-08-10 09:44:16 AM
politech - What's "stupid" "asinine" or "dumbass" about this?

Insurance is all about managing risk. Fat people pose a higher risk for health insurers.

Pretty sound business reasoning...
 
2007-08-10 09:44:25 AM
SlothB77: ...but breakfast, lunch, and dinner aren't a choice. you can't not eat...

i26.photobucket.com
Disagrees
 
2007-08-10 09:44:30 AM
Me and my vices = My vices and I

/before the grammar nazis get me
 
2007-08-10 09:45:45 AM
I know I will be flamed but....

If you are more of a risk you get charged more. Seems fair to me.
 
2007-08-10 09:45:51 AM
MCStymie: They tax smokes and booze when the items are bought. What of this "fat tax" on snacks I've heard about? Could such a thing be feasible?

Taxes should only be for raising revenue for essential Government functions. They should not be used as a means of controlling our behavior.
 
2007-08-10 09:46:56 AM
Wow.

I'd say the real difference here is that extra and obese amount of weight are a matter of health that can or cannot be controlled.

My boss learned the hard way about patient/doctor confidentiality when he tried to snoop into an employees health records. Unlike smoking, there a good amount of people that genetically have a hard time losing weight (or, remember the lady with the huge tumor who couldn't loses weight). Some companies will attempt to get this passed, only to be shot down in courts.

/but seriously...lay off the McDonald's
//no...really
 
2007-08-10 09:47:37 AM
What will they charge employees who don't know how to spell cheeseburger?
 
2007-08-10 09:48:33 AM
I love fatties at work because they help keep me thin. Who hasn't been tempted by the delicious packages of fat and sugar in the vending machines? All it takes to steer me away is watching some land whale stand there and contemplate the next thing they want to shove down their throat.
 
2007-08-10 09:48:50 AM
mmm... pancake;
"This is a better option than having "universal health care" where if the Government feels like those who act in a certain way are costing the rest of us money they will ban that behavior outright."

Do you know anything about Universal Health Care?!?!?!?!?!? Several countries have it and they don't ban behavior.. otherwise it would be illegal to smoke or eat unhealthy in Canada, England and the list goes on...
 
2007-08-10 09:48:50 AM
SlothB77: nd who's to say what is good for you and what isn't. One study will say coffee is bad for you, two years later another study says it is good for you. the same with almost every other food. Dairy is bad, then dairy is good. bread and grains are good, then they are bad. do companies really want to start regulating what their employees eat?

Too many calories are bad. Got that, Einstein?
 
2007-08-10 09:49:11 AM
damageddude: Well, perhaps if they let their employees actually work reasonable hours so they'd have time to get to the gym and eat healthy meals, instead of grabbing fast food as they drive home late at night, they wouldn't have as much a problem.

This.

Or, they could do like what my job does: you get 1 hour in the middle of the day to do whatever the hell you want. Lunch? Gym? Naptime? Doesn't matter.

It also helps that where I work enforces a strict 40-hour work week. They actually discourage going over 40.

Ha-ha!!
 
2007-08-10 09:49:57 AM
Dogbeast: nopokerface - Other people shouldering the load for my impulse control, so moonbats can use words like inclusivity, tolerance and (disingenuously) non- discrimination? Priceless.

Just as long nothing interferes with your hard-earned, right?

Hmm, wait a minute, your name is nopokerface. That sounds like the sort of name a gambler would use. Is it fair that you should get insurance when you're more than likely to piss your money away in some casino instead of providing for your family? I don't think so, and I'm certainly not going to give you money so you can blow it all on the craps table. Please fill out a form detailing every aspect of your life so that we can properly ascertain whether you deserve insurance or not.


If they have insurance out there to cover gambling losses, I haven't heard of it. I'm all for helping people, but be responsible for yourself. I am not thin, I smoke, I deplore exercise and veggies. I pay for my own insurance, and the lion's share of insurance for all 22 employees I have (most of which are in worse shape than I). I just hate to see small business owners have their freedom restricted. They can afford to provide insurance for their employees, unless their employees decide to become big fatties with diabetes, heart disease, you name it. As a result, they discontinue insurance for everyone to avoid being discriminatory. I don't agree with it.
 
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