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(The Raw Story)   More than half of people surveyed want the media to lie to them about America so the country looks better   (rawstory.com) divider line 37
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2007-08-09 08:11:52 PM  
I think you're lying about that.

/trust no one
 
2007-08-09 08:37:34 PM  
I think subby is lying to himself again.
 
2007-08-09 10:42:52 PM  
Americans lie to themselves about how great they are all the time, what else is new?
 
2007-08-09 11:47:38 PM  
So the country is collectively asking if this outfit makes its ass look fat?
 
2007-08-09 11:54:37 PM  
So 53% Americans want their own version of Soviet Pravda?

Yes, Comrades, er I mean, Yes, Consumers, you live in the greatest state in the world. Everything is great and glorious in the motherland, er, homeland.
 
2007-08-10 01:30:06 AM  
"The poll indicates an across the board fall in the public's opinion on the news media since 1985, when a similar survey was conducted by Times Mirror"

1987: FCC abolishes Fairness Doctrine

2007: Interlocking Direcorates
 
2007-08-10 02:10:13 AM  
Among those who get their news from newspapers and television, criticism of the news organizations was up to 20 percentage points lower than among Internet news audiences, who tend to be younger and better educated than the public as a whole, according to Pew.

Flattery eh?
 
2007-08-10 02:11:55 AM  
Yawn...nationalism trumpts truth, round 15
 
2007-08-10 02:28:12 AM  
Obvious tag too busy hanging out at the stripper factory smitty?

\I blame Napolean
 
2007-08-10 03:16:35 AM  
Will this affect the coverage of what Linsday, Britney and Paris are up to? Does this mean that there will be a reduction in the important coverage of celebrity trials?

"Yes, there's been a development here outside the courthouse. Today R-Kelly has decided to turn up in a black shirt with a white tie, instead of yesterdays blue suit with white shirt. Back to you Dave!"

The problem is not just the truth-quotient, but also the way news are diluted by 1 part actual events of significance to the world to 512 parts celebrity news about how skanky and rich Paris is.
 
2007-08-10 03:51:54 AM  
"You'll PAY to know what you REALLY think." So pull the wool over your own eyes. And Praise Bob
 
2007-08-10 04:00:26 AM  
Was the Obvious tag out getting lipo? It's this kind of population that creates your kind of country.
 
2007-08-10 04:49:54 AM  
I think submitter misunderstood the point of the article. Or the survey question was worded poorly. But I bet a good portion of those people meant the media doesn't stand up "for the American people", meaning they're not doing the responsible muckraking journalism they should be to get our country out of its cronie-cabal-run rut.
 
2007-08-10 05:02:37 AM  
Funny, I just watched this:

Manufacturing Consent

...And anyone who starts babbling about what a hollocaust-denying looney Chomsky was ought to effing watch the thing for a start rather than believe what someone else told him or her about the guy.
 
2007-08-10 05:03:56 AM  
*is
 
2007-08-10 05:30:18 AM  
I think subby is referring to when the article says 53% blamed the media for failing to "stand up for America". I'd posit that standing up for America involves real journalism and real activism, not saying good things just to be happy.
 
2007-08-10 05:54:40 AM  
Goldsfool: Funny, I just watched this:

Manufacturing Consent

...And anyone who starts babbling about what a hollocaust-denying looney Chomsky was ought to effing watch the thing for a start rather than believe what someone else told him or her about the guy.


Chomsky is a truly dangerous man. He knows this, and acknowledges that many people will hate him because he could destroy their entire world view.

You can't hold it against someone to be reluctant to have their entire vision of how the world works be smashed into pieces.
 
2007-08-10 06:23:05 AM  
Bildo: I think subby is lying to himself again.

This.
 
2007-08-10 07:45:17 AM  
Chomsky is right in Manufacturing Consent and was/is dead wrong on the Holocaust and Cambodia. How's that for free thinking?

My own opinion is that Chomsky and other leftists appear incapable of understanding the capability for evil among non-Westerners.

The idea of a media that is off on 100% neutral Media Island is a relatively recent development. In 1907, all media had biases and you knew it. You read Paper X for a Republican POV, Paper Y for a Democratic POV, and Paper Z for the Socialist POV. A few omnivores read a combination of the two, but even back then people read media that supported their POV.

The Internet has that segmentation -- Freepers are overwhelmingly right-libertarian, Farkers are left-libertarian (although not as much), Kossacks are left-wingers. (Not sure what Digg is like)

Or, to put it into graphic context, let us say a reporter for an American media outlet finds out about impending military or terrorist action against the United States. Should he report what he knows to the appropriate authorities?
 
2007-08-10 08:13:18 AM  
More than half -- 53 percent -- of Internet users also faulted the news organizations for "failing to stand up for America".

Uh...were these people awake during the run up and the first few years of Bush's war?

It was a rah rah America cock suck fest on every news channel.
 
2007-08-10 08:40:08 AM  
What's it called, selective ignorance? Something ignorance, anyway, like my mom, who, after I got a copy of
i17.ebayimg.com
The Marijuana Conviction (@ $14 from half.com)
showing, beyond a doubt, that our 'drug' laws are really race laws, refused to read it.

Read the freebies that led up to the publication of the book, originally in 1974 but it was reprinted again in '99:

The Forbidden Fruit and the Tree of Knowledge: An Inquiry into the legal history of American Marijuana Prohibition
(this is long and the link goes to the TOC of the first 5 or 6 chapters)

The History of the Non-Medical Use of Drugs in the United States
(1 page summary of notes taken from a conference on the subject in '95; @20 minute read)
 
2007-08-10 08:54:37 AM  
lying to our citizenry = bad

lying to other countries citizenry = good
 
2007-08-10 08:56:06 AM  
stpickrell
(Not sure what Digg is like)

Digg seems to be where all the Ron Paul people moved after Fark's rampant skepticism proved insurmountable.
 
2007-08-10 09:08:29 AM  
WorldCitizen
So 53% Americans want their own version of Soviet Pravda?

Yes, Comrades, er I mean, Yes, Consumers, you live in the greatest state in the world. Everything is great and glorious in the motherland, er, homeland.


This John Pilger (new window) excerpt might be applicable:

"One of my favorite stories about the Cold War concerns a group of Russian journalists who were touring the United States. On the final day of their visit, they were asked by the host for their impressions. "I have to tell you," said the spokesman, "that we were astonished to find after reading all the newspapers and watching TV day after day that all the opinions on all the vital issues are the same. To get that result in our country we send journalists to the gulag. We even tear out their fingernails. Here you don't have to do any of that. What is the secret?"

What is the secret? It is a question seldom asked in newsrooms, in media colleges, in journalism journals, and yet the answer to that question is critical to the lives of millions of people. On August 24 last year the New York Times declared this in an editorial: "If we had known then what we know now the invasion if Iraq would have been stopped by a popular outcry." This amazing admission was saying, in effect, that journalists had betrayed the public by not doing their job and by accepting and amplifying and echoing the lies of Bush and his gang, instead of challenging them and exposing them. What the Times didn't say was that had that paper and the rest of the media exposed the lies, up to a million people might be alive today. That's the belief now of a number of senior establishment journalists. Few of them-they've spoken to me about it-few of them will say it in public."


I was hoping having journalists "stand up for America" might mean not parroting what the administration says and infotaining us to death.

Sadly there is enough blame for both the media and the public to think that more Americans could probably tell you about Anna Nicole Smith's death or the astronaut love triangle or Paris Hilton's every move, then they could about the Iraq War, the firing of the US Attorneys, or even name the three branches of our government (four if you count Cheney), or the number of justices on the Supreme Court.
 
2007-08-10 09:39:12 AM  
Thank you, American public schools, for maintaining an educational system that turns out morans.
 
2007-08-10 09:59:29 AM  
At first, I was going to come in here and say "Yes, they're called Republicans." But then I re-read the headline, and it said "more than half," so I guess that can't be technically accurate.
 
2007-08-10 10:00:09 AM  
I believe many Americans--myself included---have an overall sense of optimism about the USA. We have troubles, problems and mistakes to deal with to be sure. But the belief is that, in the end, we will do the right thing as a nation, and that things will be OK for most Americans. And we'll do our best to take care of those that are less fortunate than ourselves.

Juxtapose this attitude with what you see in the media: an unrelenting series of stories that lead one to believe the 4 horseman of the apocalypse are trotting by, at least as long as GWB is in office. I imagine that when Hilary takes over, the tone of the news will soften considerably.

The media (CNN,CBS,NBC,FOX,Reuters) have chosen sides, and they aren't hiding that fact anymore. As long as the public can see who the media loves and hates, don't expect their reputation to improve anytime soon.
 
2007-08-10 10:01:12 AM  
After taking a Statistic class, you learn using statistics as your proof of anything just means you are trying to trick people.
 
2007-08-10 10:05:25 AM  
Well maybe a little the glass is half full rather than half empty.
Call me an optimist but if the US doesn't promote itself then who will?
The Illegals who risk themselves and their family's lives vote every night crossing the desert but they have little media voice.

We already are taxed more than we spend on food , clothing and energy combined [ most of us anyway ].
With the Great Society giveaways in the pipeline a lot of us will again be looking at 70 percent tax rate that almost ruined the country in the past.

You can bank on every tax we pay going sky high to pay for the raising up of every ones ship who can walk fly or ride to the US leaving much less for investment and job creation to pay for it.
I don't want to hear about Clinton's Internet bump.
It came despite his largest tax hike ever.
He was at the right place at the right time.
Allen Greenspan said after Clinton was elected he wouldn't have enough of a mandate to ruin the country , he was right.
 
2007-08-10 10:07:57 AM  
It appears to me this is more of a psychological thing then anything else. The last 7 years (and, yes I *am* blaming Bush admin for the most part) have been a trying and disastrous for the country. For the last 7 years this country has been through crap-load and many ppl just want some good news.

Weather its Iraq war; Afghan war; constant raping of the constitution by this administration; civil rights getting trampled in the name of "war on terror"; disasters like Katrina/bridge collapses/tsunamis/etc.
 
2007-08-10 10:08:02 AM  
ReaverZ If I'm 95% sure the results cannot be explained by chance, I'm going to consider the hypothesis supported.
 
2007-08-10 10:17:41 AM  
stpickrell: My own opinion is that Chomsky and other leftists appear incapable of understanding the capability for evil among non-Westerners.

So you voted in favor of being lied to in the cited poll, I take it?
 
2007-08-10 10:33:10 AM  
fifthhorseman: ReaverZ If I'm 95% sure the results cannot be explained by chance, I'm going to consider the hypothesis supported.

I think he means "after taking a statistics class...and failing."
 
2007-08-10 10:40:09 AM  
More than half of people surveyed want the media to lie to them about America so the country looks better for Pubelickans it's just another day at the office.
 
2007-08-10 10:49:28 AM  
WorldCitizen: So 53% Americans want their own version of Soviet Pravda?

Yes, Comrades, er I mean, Yes, Consumers, you live in the greatest state in the world. Everything is great and glorious in the motherland, er, homeland.



Newsflash: Our media lies to us, but not in the way you're implying.

Watch Congressional hearings or a press conference on C-Span some time - and then check the stories written about that event in the major media. The reporting is so consistently inaccurate that it can't ALL simply be incompetence. And no, it's not "pro-government". Our media are viscious to *all* those in power, if most are a bit harsher to those in power on the right.


This article actually made me pretty happy to read. I think it's a very very good sign. Plenty of you Farkers are always biatching about the gullible American public, and here comes out a story about how the American public ISN'T that gullible and so many of you get the message backwards. Pathetic. Maybe the problem is you're just an unhappy person in general? This is a genuinely good story.
 
2007-08-10 11:52:47 AM  
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/got nothing
 
2007-08-12 10:57:23 AM  
I might add that stats are out there showing who the majority donate cash to which is a fair indicator of voting preference.

Unless of course you are one Rupert Murdoch and butter both sides.

I'll bet even old Soros feeds a Republican or to on certain committees that regulate investments.
 
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