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(wnd.com)   Four firefighters sue after being forced to attend Gay Pride parade by their lesbian fire chief, receiving lewd gestures and comments about their hoses   (wnd.com) divider line 390
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2007-08-07 09:24:32 AM
I'd hit it....

with a Haligan!
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2007-08-07 09:24:55 AM
Injuneer: If the firefighters were gays forced to attend a Christian parade

Many gays, if not MOST in this country, are Christian.
 
2007-08-07 09:27:16 AM
ChrisSuperstar: Guys, this article is from good ole World Net Daily, land of Persecuted Christian Conservative Syndrome. Did you not see the links at the bottom, ranting about "gay" agendas and "gay" day? This is hardly an unbiased article, since the "news" source that spawned it is little more than a front for conservative gay bashers.

Then read the same article on any one of the other dozen news sites featuring it, jackass.
 
2007-08-07 09:29:11 AM
"The firefighters, described as devoted husbands and fathers...."

/the story turned bullshiat RIGHT THERE
//no such thing unless you are completely broken
///thannnks
 
2007-08-07 09:29:56 AM
From what I know of California law on the issue, it really doesn't matter if you think what occured was harrasment or not.

What matters is how the individual in question felt. If they felt harrassed then that is all that is needed for the matter to be decided in their favor.

If they truly did communicate their desire not to participate in a manner that can be verified, I.E. E-mail, certified letter etc, and were subsequently ordered to participate ( again in an manner that can be verified E-mail, letter, etc) then I would imagine that they have a viable case assuming that the person who ordered them to take part had an idea, or should have known, about the type of activity and advances they would be subject to.

Look for an out of court settlement.
 
2007-08-07 09:32:30 AM
Samsaran

These guys were forced to go. That is wrong and the wrong will be righted by the system.

YOU are not being forced to go and biatching about gay pride or pagan pride or whatever else makes you look like an ass. Where does it say they found anything morally objectionable? It doesn't. I have no moral objections for homosexuality but I wouldn't want to be the straight guy in the firefighter's uniform getting his butt grabbed either. Different issues.

ESPECIALLY when half the problem seems to have been abuse from intolerant christian groups.

There is no radical agenda being forced on anybody. This is an asshat boss overstepping her authority. I doubt many of the other people participating or watching the gay pride march would have approved of what she did either. It cheapens the whole thing.
 
2007-08-07 09:32:38 AM
not much of an agenda at WND.com, is there?
some earlier stories:
The Gay Agenda: It's Dividing the Family, the Church, and a Nation

San Diego proclaims 'gay pride' month

Not even baseball safe from 'gay' promotions

State education chief pushes 'gay' pornfest

Ex-homosexual runs for San Diego City Council

School kids' march in 'gay' parade protested

'Gay' parade photos censored by councilman who was there

School kids appear in homosexual parade

Ministry funds worth pro-family projects

San Diego blasted for Planned Parenthood fete

Christians pray to counter 'Pagan Pride Day'

Another homosexual parade after hurricane devastation

Ex-homosexual threatened with death

ProtestGayDay.com declares victory
 
2007-08-07 09:33:33 AM
Firefighters, sorry about your luck. Dont like the firestation you work at? Find somewhere else.

Noone is forcing you to stay at that firestation if you dont like the things your lesbian fire chief makes you attend.

Plenty of other firestations without lesbian firechiefs that you could go to. This is America, if you dont like where you are, you can always pack up and find opportunity somewhere else.

Come on, where are the more Conservatively minded farkers who lovingly espouse the free-market to back me up on this?

/Had to
//Weak Troll
 
2007-08-07 09:34:18 AM
dj_bigbird: She DID order them to go. She was on the radio yesterday trying to defend herself on this.

Then why does no article I've read, including this WND article, or the actual complaint they filed mention this woman by name?
 
2007-08-07 09:34:46 AM
stpickrell: I wonder if that station had done something to annoy the chief -- instant revenge!


Of course the station crew did something to annoy the chief, you silly goose! They were born with a penis. That, in itself is enough to annoy most dykes.
 
2007-08-07 09:35:15 AM
All this time I thought this is why firemen polished their nozzles all day every day.
 
2007-08-07 09:36:53 AM
Samsaran: Looking at all of the posts here to the effect that this is an acceptable thing ... underscores yet another example of FARK hypocrisy. We are all for free speech so long as its not sought by mainstream Americans. Fly your flag upside down in some muddled protest against the war FREE SPEECH. Force these men to participate in an event they find morally objectionable? NOT FREE SPEECH. Free Speech and Freedom of Religion is only for the fringe elements of society here on good ole hypocritical FARK.

hypocrisy?

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flying an upside down flag and being forced to attend a gay pride parade as a condition of your employment.
 
2007-08-07 09:37:48 AM
I meant to add worst.analogy.evar to that last post

/not very bright
 
2007-08-07 09:38:34 AM
Samsaran: Looking at all of the posts here to the effect that this is an acceptable thing

All two of them?
 
2007-08-07 09:39:40 AM
This has nothing to do with sexuality or religion. If they are not required to attend parades in their contract / job description then she was out of line to force them.

If you abuse your power to forward your own agenda you are going to get burned.
 
2007-08-07 09:41:52 AM
Snarfle: log_jammin: Is that even possible?

Rosie, dude. Rosie Odonnell. Imagine her having lesbian sex.


For doing that to me, I shall hunt you down and sell your firstborn to gypsies.
 
2007-08-07 09:43:33 AM
Here's an analogy for ya:

this is just like firemen in the 1960s being forced to march in a civil rights parade....
 
2007-08-07 09:43:36 AM
I call shenanigans!

I've seen Pride parades before. I was leaving a movie at the mall in downtown Providence, RI, and the parade was going on. I saw no such lewd behavior.
 
2007-08-07 09:43:50 AM
What if you were having an Easter parade, and had all Jewish Firefighters on the truck, and instead of "Happy Easter", all the parade participants started taunting the Jewish Firefighters, yelling "Jesus Killers" and "Show us your circumcized nozzles, FireHymies".

That would be something.
 
2007-08-07 09:47:00 AM
Gothnet: YOU are not being forced to go and biatching about gay pride or pagan pride or whatever else makes you look like an ass

Typical FARK intolerant sociopathic response. Poster on the forum disagrees with the GAY AGENDA? Lets resort to labeling and name calling.

Weak ... very weak.

Diversity and freedom means ALLOWING these events to occur. I have no problem with that. Allowing those who WISH to participate be it GAY or PAGAN or MUSLIM or any other group. No problem with that. FORCING men to attend an event that they find morally objectionable? Unacceptable. I would support a pagans right not to attend a Christian parade. Of course the reality is that the City would NEVER participate in such an event. No this is reserved for the fringe elements of society only.

Backlash ... its coming and the RADICAL HOMOSEXUALS will have no one to blame but themselves. You see more is never enough. They want power and like all power seeking groups they need more always more.
 
2007-08-07 09:48:24 AM
whitetrashcompactor: hypocrisy?

Reading Comprehension ... not your strong suit obviously.
 
2007-08-07 09:49:39 AM
Would you all stop arguing and please post some pictures of some hot firefighters?
 
2007-08-07 09:55:24 AM
eve6grl02
I call shenanigans!

I've seen Pride parades before. I was leaving a movie at the mall in downtown Providence, RI, and the parade was going on. I saw no such lewd behavior.


Come on down to Atlanta's pride parade. Be sure and bring the kids for their enjoyment of the floats and entertaining crowd.
 
2007-08-07 09:56:07 AM
Gay pride parades celebrate self-esteem as much as rap does for the black community.
 
2007-08-07 09:56:12 AM
I would have quit rather than be forced to go to a fagfest. This woman was way out of line and her actions reek of sexual harrassment to the normal firefighters that had to work for her.
 
2007-08-07 09:56:18 AM
Federal laws exclude same-sex harassment as sexual harassment. Dumb, but that's the way the law reads. So good luck with that sexual harassment claim -- gay men taunting other men does not legally fall into the federal sexual harassment laws.

The chief should have asked for any gay fireman to volunteer -- that would have ended that. Still, if it had been me, I would have thought it was hysterical. They got a few hoots -- whoop-de-doo. It's not like anyone got a UFIA.
 
2007-08-07 09:56:31 AM
Samsaran: whitetrashcompactor: hypocrisy?

Reading Comprehension ... not your strong suit obviously.


From your initial post, "Fly your flag upside down in some muddled protest against the war FREE SPEECH. Force these men to participate in an event they find morally objectionable? NOT FREE SPEECH."

to see these to things as divergent is not hypocritical.

/wait... is this your cat?
 
2007-08-07 09:59:12 AM
Samsaran

Now its your reading comprehension that's in question. Did you read my post?

This is neither a right action nor a part of any gay agenda. Why would a gay pride march want to force anyone to take part against their will? It's a celebration of freedom. This is one asshat boss, like I said previously.

And no christian parades? Don't make me farking laugh. There's no christmas or easter celebrations allowed by the town then?

I don't think there are as many "radical" homosexuals as you think there are. Certainly that's not what pride is about. It's about the end of opression rather than opressing others.
 
2007-08-07 10:00:03 AM
Samsaran

Unless of course you're going to give me free reign to bash christians based on the actions of Fred Phelps? Cos the CHRISTIAN AGENDA he's pushing is sick.
 
2007-08-07 10:00:32 AM
sigdiamond2000

Dunno, but I heard it on the radio yesterday.
 
2007-08-07 10:00:48 AM
whitetrashcompactor: to see these to things as divergent is not hypocritical.

Read the quotation from the attorneys for the fire fighters. The right to free speech is the right to DO something as well as the right NOT to do something. What is hypocritical is the typical FARK response to these issues.

Get it now?

/not my cat ... her spelling is atrocious
 
2007-08-07 10:03:33 AM
strifecat 2007-08-07 09:43:33 AM
Here's an analogy for ya:

this is just like firemen in the 1960s being forced to march in a civil rights parade...


Yes because black people in 1960's Civil Rights events were known for harassing the white participants by showing them their genitals and humping each other.

FAIL

/Knew it was only a matter of time before someone made this overused and erroneous analogy.
 
2007-08-07 10:06:56 AM
Gothnet: I don't think there are as many "radical" homosexuals as you think there are. Certainly that's not what pride is about. It's about the end of opression rather than opressing others.

I am not against the parade. I am not against voluntary participation of the parade. I am ... well to be honest ... somewhat lukewarm on the City participating in the parade ... but i see the importance of being inclusive on a symbolic level. I AM against a gay person in a position of authority abusing that authority to force men to participate in an event that they feel is morally objectionable and personally repugnant.

There are probably MORE radical homosexuals than YOU think. This is about POWER not about sexuality.
 
2007-08-07 10:07:09 AM
Memoryalpha: Oooh, found the Statement (Pops as a .pdf)

I cant believe I read the whole farking thing.

It would seem that they have their story pretty straight. All of them are saying pretty much the exact same things. Some of them write better than others.

The middle guy did bring up a DAMN GOOD POINT though. He stated something to the effect that if this were a woman complaining there would be a fact finding and discipline.

/Firefighters win this one, but only on principal.
//Their skin should be a bit thicker, it was in their district and their responsibility.
 
2007-08-07 10:07:29 AM
travvis: In other news:



/Can we turn this into a boob thread?
//Please



Sure. Here are the fire chief's.

www.knightsguildbattalion.com
 
2007-08-07 10:07:42 AM
SpinStopper: What the F*CK is it with people and sexuality? What is there to be offended by? I'm as hetero as the next guy (I think his name is Butch), and I don't give a shiat about somebody's sexual orientation.

On the other hand, gay parades are one hell of a lot of fun ;)


Under the law, there is a clear sexual harrassment case here, IMHO-assuming they were ordered to go. They shouldn't have been ordered to go, or even had it made subtly clear that them going would be looked favorable and/or looked unfavorably if they did not go.
 
2007-08-07 10:09:19 AM
sentient_being: As lame as your emotional appeal and insinuation that I'm some sort of homophobe is, abusing your authority like that should come with dire consequences.

Abusing what authority? Making public servants actually appear to give a crap about the community where they serve? Horrible, that. Thinking that the firefighters in the Hillcrest area actually might treat residents like home-owning tax-paying citizens.

/Not surprised "The Thomas More Legal Center" is involved.
//Church + State = bad combo; cf., Iran
 
2007-08-07 10:09:56 AM
Gothnet: Unless of course you're going to give me free reign to bash christians based on the actions of Fred Phelps? Cos the CHRISTIAN AGENDA he's pushing is sick.

Thats funny. Phelps is not a Christian and you know it. There are, however, persistent rumors that he is a closeted homosexual.
 
2007-08-07 10:10:31 AM
I came in for hot lesbian pictures, but there really is no such thing.
 
2007-08-07 10:10:35 AM
Point is, No one should have to march in a parade that they are to feel sexually harassed in... Apparently that's their claim...
Some might find being hit on by this guy to be a little unwanted....
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2007-08-07 10:11:00 AM
airsupport

Damn you...it will take a long time to forget that image. I feel so ill.
 
2007-08-07 10:13:31 AM
The Chief is an overbearing biatch. The firemen are thin skinned nancies who seriously need to man up. The author is a dumbass who thinks one asshat gay person proves that there is a national conspiracy to destroy his values. Everyone involved in this article sucks. Every single person.

// Objectivity
// Try it sometime
 
2007-08-07 10:18:51 AM
airsupport

Dude...NSFW link next time. Gross.
 
2007-08-07 10:20:52 AM
MisterRPG

// Objectivity
// Try it sometime


I think you out to look up the meaning of this word...
Oblectivity would be you having some understanding for the men in this fire team that were harassed... You would likely be upset if women were forced to march in a "show your tit" parade against their wishes...
How is this any different...
Oh yeah, you wouldn't be able to call yourself as liberal if you made more common sence...
 
2007-08-07 10:22:20 AM
Jebus Crisco: airsupport

Dude...NSFW link next time. Gross.


I apologize. I thought since it wasn't technically nudity, it would be shocking but still legal.

Mods, please delete my post and I will NSFW it.
 
2007-08-07 10:24:37 AM
What's with all the parades and rainbow stickers on gay folks' cars? Who gives a fark if you're gay or not, I couldn't care less. If I put a "straight pride" sticker on my car I'd be seen as homophobic, so gays with "gay pride" stickers should be seen as hetero-phobic.

And yes, for a straight guy I can see how a gay pride parade would be disturbing. Seeing men kiss is rather odd, and seeing guys running around half naked groping each other doesn't seem natural to me. If it's something they didn't want to attend, they shouldn't have to. And no, seeing chics kiss doesn't look 'normal' to me either before all you 'double-standards' folks come out....
 
2007-08-07 10:25:58 AM
CtrlAltDelete

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2007-08-07 10:27:34 AM
 
2007-08-07 10:29:29 AM
Ok...as a member of the San Diego gay community...and having gone to the parade. I particularly remember the firefighters in the parade this year as my roomie thought one was hot. I specifically remember all of them in the truck waving and holding gay pride flags as they went by. They had music going and were smiling and appearing to have a good time. Personally, I think they willingly joined the parade and had all kinds of fun...until their "colleagues" started making fun of them. Then all of a sudden they changed their tune and started this whole "forced to participate" crap. When the police/firefighters went by, there were roughly 90 in their group. If these guys did not want to be there...there were plenty of people that could have driven that fire truck. 9 chances out of 10...they all probably ended up going to the festival afterwards and ended up being someone's toy after an all day party with crystal meth at the latino dance tent. They probably woke up with a sore back side and started whipsering "Rape!"
 
2007-08-07 10:31:52 AM
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