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2007-08-03 07:16:48 PM
Their bakery makes (made) a pretty good tofu burger. Used to go there quite a bit. I'm a white dude and they were always welcoming to me... honestly it was a great bakery.

www.sfgate.com

/who knew?
 
2007-08-03 07:17:15 PM
t25bimmer: kc987654
I hear your east hampton schools suck I can see wy you cannot get past the first sentence.


Oooh, I'm hurt now. I didn't grow up here, I'm not a bonaker.

/crying
 
2007-08-03 07:18:09 PM
Wtf is a black Muslim?!?
 
2007-08-03 07:18:37 PM
elismom: YOU are perpetrating the 'dumb southerner' sterotype. A sterotype I dont believe by the way.

Take it from someone transplanted to the south, the "dumb southerner" stereotype is way more common that self-righteous southerners would have you believe. In fact, most southerners are proud of their ignorance. Ya Rly. People in the south are actually PROUD to be ignorant. Not everyone, mind. I have met some great intellects while living down here, but even they admit that being smart in the south is like being a known adulterer in a puritan farm village. There is a deep dislike, distrust, and sometimes outright hatred to anything or anyone that southerners perceive as pretentious, or to put it in their own words anyone who "think you're better than me." which is generally anyone who uses big words in casual conversation, professes any kind of scientific knowledge in casual conversation above a 5th grade level, or anyone who by facts or logic, proves a southerner wrong about anything.

And what makes it worse is that I was never one of those yanks that spent every moment deriding the south. I used to believe that, while ignorance was certainly prevalent in the poorer, more rural sections of the south, the majority of southerners were just like northerners, especially in the more urban areas. It's only since moving down to Mississippi that I've become so angry and hateful towards southerners as a collective. They really do exemplify everything that is wrong in American society.
 
2007-08-03 07:19:39 PM
elismom: No, I speak like an educated person that grew up in a 'burb outside of SF, Ca. NOT Ebonics, NOT ghetto speak, and definitley NOT like a runaway slave which is how that verbage sounded. I find ebonics just as amusing as you. The difference is that I know MOST black people do not speak like that.

You've never been to Milwaukee, have you? I don't watch the news much but when I do and when the live reporter interviews someone on the street, ebonics is all that comes out of the person's mouth. That and a lot of double negatives.

I'm not being racist, I'm just stating what I've seen. Maybe it's just because the 4 times I've watched the local morning news the above scenario played out.

You probably don't believe that some black youngsters go out of their way to harass us non black people either. Again, it happens and it happened to me in San Fransico, San Antonio, Las Vegas and Milwaukee. Being that I was either carrying groceries, carrying gifts, just being polite or just listening to live music in all of those situations, you can count me out of instigating the situation.
 
2007-08-03 07:20:41 PM
Islam and any religion are beliefs no based in evidence. Belief no based on evidence may very well be the downfall of the world.
Anyone who imagines that terrestrial concerns account for Muslim terrorism must answer questions of the following sort: Where are the Tibetan Buddhist suicide bombers? The Tibetans have suffered an occupation far more brutal, and far more cynical, than any that Britain, the United States, or Israel have ever imposed upon the Muslim world. Where are the throngs of Tibetans ready to perpetrate suicidal atrocities against Chinese noncombatants? They do not exist. What is the difference that makes the difference? The difference lies in the specific tenets of Islam. This is not to say that Buddhism could not help inspire suicidal violence. It can, and it has (Japan, World War II). But this concedes absolutely nothing to the apologists for Islam. As a Buddhist, one has to work extremely hard to justify such barbarism. One need not work nearly so hard as a Muslim. The truth that we must finally confront is that Islam contains specific notions of martyrdom and jihad that fully explain the character of Muslim violence. Unless the world's Muslims can find some way of expunging the metaphysics that is fast turning their religion into a cult of death, we will ultimately face the same perversely destructive behavior throughout much of the world.


While the other major world religions have been fertile sources of intolerance, it is clear that the doctrine of Islam poses unique problems for the emergence of a global civilization. The world, from the point of view of Islam, is divided into the "House of Islam" and the "House of War," and this latter designation should indicate how Muslims believe their differences with those who do not share their faith will be ultimately resolved. While there are undoubtedly some moderate Muslims who have decided to overlook the irrescindable militancy of their religion, Islam is undeniably a religion of conquest. The only future devout Muslims can envisage-as Muslims-is one in which all infidels have been converted to Islam, politically subjugated, or killed. The tenets of Islam simply do not admit of anything but a temporary sharing of power with the "enemies of God." Devout Muslims can have no doubt about the reality of Paradise or about the efficacy of martyrdom as a means of getting there. Nor can they question the wisdom and reasonableness of killing people for what amount to theological grievances. In Islam, it is the moderate who is left to split hairs, because the basic thrust of the doctrine is undeniable: convert, subjugate, or kill unbelievers; kill apostates; and conquer the world.
 
2007-08-03 07:26:07 PM
"weapons cache" is an extremely vague description.


three shotguns and some ammo ?


explosives and AK-47s ?


it makes a huge difference here.
 
2007-08-03 07:26:55 PM
Sorry for the thread-jack. Now back to the regularly scheduled anonymous internet racism.
 
2007-08-03 07:28:00 PM
Your Black Muslim Bakery?


BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...how about "shop till you asplode?" or "Its not really c4, just some dough" or "House of Morans"
 
2007-08-03 07:30:32 PM
gorgor and logruszed

AAND...they STANK!
 
2007-08-03 07:31:43 PM
sweddjen

Yeah, I ate a couple times from their booth at the Coliseum (Go A's!) - never had a prob. I'm a whitey too.
 
2007-08-03 07:31:50 PM
BigJ7489: gorgor and logruszed

AAND...they STANK!


Did I mention they stink?
 
2007-08-03 07:32:51 PM
Wow, there sure are a lot of non-black non-Muslim Farkers pretending to know all about black Muslims and the Nation of Islam when they in fact, don't.

The face of out-of-touch white privilege and religious/racial prejudice rears its ugly head once again.

/unfortunately typical
//and depressing
 
2007-08-03 07:37:00 PM
GSD4Ever 2007-08-03 07:19:39 PM
elismom: No, I speak like an educated person that grew up in a 'burb outside of SF, Ca. NOT Ebonics, NOT ghetto speak, and definitley NOT like a runaway slave which is how that verbage sounded. I find ebonics just as amusing as you. The difference is that I know MOST black people do not speak like that.

You've never been to Milwaukee, have you? I don't watch the news much but when I do and when the live reporter interviews someone on the street, ebonics is all that comes out of the person's mouth. That and a lot of double negatives.

I'm not being racist, I'm just stating what I've seen. Maybe it's just because the 4 times I've watched the local morning news the above scenario played out.

You probably don't believe that some black youngsters go out of their way to harass us non black people either. Again, it happens and it happened to me in San Fransico, San Antonio, Las Vegas and Milwaukee. Being that I was either carrying groceries, carrying gifts, just being polite or just listening to live music in all of those situations, you can count me out of instigating the situation.


I believe you. I realize there is truth to a lot of the black stereotypes. There is also truth in other stereotypes regarding other races, but I know every member of that race is NOT the stereotype.

My point is that not EVERY black person (man, woman, youth) is like that. thats all.
 
2007-08-03 07:37:13 PM
Mighty Dog is a Spartan shield.

/and the rest of you are Persians
 
2007-08-03 07:40:33 PM
Father_Jack: reat Boobies on religion. second post on european integration was a bit alarmist.

That's not his own thought or words.

t25bimmer, when you take other people's work and present it as your own, that's called plagiarism.

He's cutting and pasting Sam Harris quotes.
 
2007-08-03 07:43:32 PM
iKill: Mighty Dog is a Spartan shield.

/and the rest of you are Persians


I bet he masturbates to that movie on a nightly basis, and dreams about Dubya in a loincloth fighting Iranians.
 
2007-08-03 07:44:38 PM
Your Communist Polish Kielbasa and Polka Den
Now THAT is one I wish my neighborhood had.

How many "Irish Pubs" have you seen?
I really hope you're trolling, but if you're not, I'll bite. 'Irish' describes what kind of pub it is, by indicating what will be served there. Just like a 'Chinese restaurant' describes to you what kind of restaurant it is, and indicates what will be served there. There would have been nothing weird about it a bakery being advertised as a 'Chinese bakery' as they are in SF, because that tells you what will be served there (lots of things with sweet bean paste and lotus root, btw).

That's what makes it different then a 'catholic pub' or a 'communist restaurant' or a 'christian bakery'. Religions don't have their own distinct food types, although they may have dietary laws.
 
2007-08-03 07:46:27 PM
How come racism only goes one way? Clearly, there are racists within every 'race' there is?

Example: "I'll only vote for Obama because he's black" If I (euro-american) say "I'll only vote for Gore because he's white" all of the racist-hating people will nail me to the cross. Also if a black person assaults anyone, it's assault. If a white err I mean Euro-American person assaults a non euro-american person, hate crime gets tacked on. Isn't it also racist to force non-spanish speaking people to learn English? Why don't Pringles display "Cajun Yummy Crunchy Potatoe Chips" in German, Russian, Chinese, Japanese and Korean?

Sorry for my little rant.
 
2007-08-03 07:48:52 PM
sweddjen: Wow, there sure are a lot of non-black non-Muslim Farkers pretending to know all about black Muslims and the Nation of Islam when they in fact, don't.

I used to be friends with a militant Muslim back in college. He took me round to a couple of meetings and protests and lectures, because I honestly thought that they had a good cause. At first, I thought they were all great guys, and had some really good points to make, and I couldn't see why anyone would hate them or their group. Then the paranoia started. Did anyone follow me? Have I seen any cars hanging out near my house? Can't talk on the phone, the government is tapping our calls. This wasn't just from the fringe crazies, this was the attitude of most of the groups I came in contact with. Then came the hate. Oh the hate. Everyone was responsible for the plight of the modern muslim man but the muslims. Why would anyone ever mistake their religion for one of violence? The 9/11 terrorists were in the right, they just went about things the right way. Hamaas is to be applauded. Death to israelis Etc. Regular, completely normal guys. People you would not otherwise be able to pick out of a crowd. People who wouldn't even admit to being muslim in public, but as soon as the doors closed and only those who were trusted were in the room, a whole new persona would emerge.

I'm not saying this is true of all muslims, just that I know from experience that the "religion of peace" bit they like to throw around is just a cover they use when the non-initiated start asking questions.
 
2007-08-03 07:49:59 PM
Which atheist is t25bimmer ripping off? Dawkins? Harris? Hitchens?
 
2007-08-03 07:50:52 PM
Careful, t25bimmer. Lots of folks don't like it when reality intrudes on their "Let's all be friends" idea of tolerance, especially the revelation that the group they should be tolerant of has no actual understanding of the word's meaning.
 
2007-08-03 07:51:41 PM
sweddjen: Wow, there sure are a lot of non-black non-Muslim Farkers blonde Swedish exoticists pretending to be sympathetic or knowledgeable know all about black Muslims and the Nation of Islam when they in fact, don't.

The face of out-of-touch white privilege and religious/racial prejudice rears its ugly head once again similar hogwash does not exist and has been replaced by a class dynamic in the US which has nothing to do with your assumptions.

/unfortunately typical
undergraduate assumptions about society
//and depressing in its routine simplicity and naivete

Thar ye be, i fixed it "for yo azz."
 
2007-08-03 07:54:19 PM
If you want to wear a bow tie, you have to either become the token "conservative" for a left-wing media source or a black muslim menace. There is no third option.
 
2007-08-03 07:55:11 PM
Btw, still looking forward to a realistic episode of "Little Mosque on the Prairie" when a Muslim father sends his daughter to the hospital with a broken jaw for being seen chatting and giggling with an "infidel" boy from her high school.
 
2007-08-03 07:55:36 PM
.iKill: Mighty Dog is a Spartan shield.

/and the rest of you are Persians



you have your right-wing claptrap mixed up.


we're the dumby citizens, Mighty Dog is the noble Spartan, and the Persians are the Persians.....Western civilization cringing in terror at the vast huge armies of the Persians compared to our tiny defending forces..... those huge armies...of Osama.....uhm.

there, now you can troll away.
 
2007-08-03 07:57:25 PM
elismom: My point is that not EVERY black person (man, woman, youth) is like that. thats all.

I hear you.

I've got (here we go... queue up the PC crowd) and have had very good friends of black, spanish, mexican and puerto rican heritage. I absolutely hate it when someone calls me racist because I make a statement about a single person that isn't from my own race.

I only hate those individuals that do me wrong. It doesn't have anything to do with their race. I hate most people in general.

Especially those driving in parking lots.
 
2007-08-03 07:58:00 PM
When arms caches in bakeries owned and operated as a front by radical groups are outlawed. . . . .

Well, never mind; It started out as an okay slogan.
 
2007-08-03 07:58:21 PM
www.buddytv.com

Wanted for questioning.
 
2007-08-03 08:07:50 PM

Just imagine I opened a Bakery Called WHITE CHRISTIAN BAKERY! Do you think I'd be allowed to get away with it? I think not. I'd be labeled racist and Al REtardton would be there protesting every day.

ITS BS I TELL YA! F EM ALL!
big>
 
2007-08-03 08:08:21 PM
img187.imageshack.us
We can't understand you! Go back to yer country! White power!
 
2007-08-03 08:17:04 PM
I will not buy a sammich from them if they won't put bacon on it
 
2007-08-03 08:28:19 PM
we're being racially and spiritually profiled because we commited a crime, and that's just criminal. what nerve you infidels have. i'll chop off your head.
 
2007-08-03 08:33:15 PM
i'll bet jon snow hurridly kneels in submission.
 
2007-08-03 09:08:21 PM
moops: "Nation of Islam is not recognized by other muslim groups as part of their religion".

That would explain "Minister" Farrakhan's title. I never heard of any muslims use the title "minister" except for Farrakhan. It always seemed odd like Rabbi O'Fallon or Reverend Goldstein.

/Might pay to see a reporter ask Farrakhan about that...
//Definitely would pay to see the response.
 
2007-08-03 09:14:40 PM
GSD4Ever: How come racism only goes one way? Clearly, there are racists within every 'race' there is?

Example: "I'll only vote for Obama because he's black" If I (euro-american) say "I'll only vote for Gore because he's white" all of the racist-hating people will nail me to the cross.


Either way, most people would think of you as a small-minded fool if you (vote)/(refuse to vote) for someone because of their race.

Also if a black person assaults anyone, it's assault. If a white err I mean Euro-American person assaults a non euro-american person, hate crime gets tacked on.

Its usually considered a hate crime because the offender is dumb enough to mouth racist invective publically in and around the time of the attack. Then there are the tattoos and the t-shirts that tend to illustrate their viewpoints.

Isn't it also racist to force non-spanish speaking people to learn English? Why don't Pringles display "Cajun Yummy Crunchy Potatoe Chips" in German, Russian, Chinese, Japanese and Korean?

Actually its not racist to my opinion, but for businesses it is shortsighted to be English-only. If you are in an area that serves a sizeable foreign contingent (here in central Ohio we have a large Hispanic, Somali, and EastEuro community) it would be folly to ingore them. If you put up signs in their language you help them to feel comfortable and therefore spend money at your store or on your product. Why do you think that you can find English signs in every part of the world? its not because they feel sorry for the English, its because they want the money English-speakers will funnel their way.

Sorry for my little rant.

It happens. On here, it happens all the time.
 
2007-08-03 09:20:44 PM
Owning guns is legal for most people. Keeping guns in a bakery is (barring any ridiculous local laws) legal for most people.

However, there are some people (felons) who can't own guns. Many black men in prision convert and become muslims. Theoretically, at least, there's a chance that some of the people associated with this stash of guns in "Your Black Muslim Bakery" are felons who are prohibited from possessing said guns under federal law.

That, and this is a group that has been linked to death threats against various people, including one who happened to be shot dead in broad daylight in Oakland yesterday.

I'm a member of the NRA and support the right to keep and bear arms as much as anyone... but I don't support breaking the law. I don't support violent felons owing guns in defiance of federal law. I don't support groups that threaten violence and who "allegedly" have carried out said violence being armed to the teeth in a bakery of all places!

It's pretty clear. Don't threaten violence and own guns illegally and you won't have your bakery raided.

/Still wants the damn cannoli!
 
2007-08-03 09:21:26 PM
Muslims seethe, threaten further seething ...
 
2007-08-03 09:32:01 PM
jshine: elismom:Yeah, and everyone in the bay is exactly the same, right? Whats sad is you don't even realize how stupid that sounds.

Punctuation: use it to make your sentences more intelligible.


Common sense: Helps you read things that are missing punctuation, so you dont look like a tool when you try to correct it.
 
2007-08-03 09:37:37 PM
kennygeez: Mighty_Dog: Blacks, muslims and violence?

So, like... what's the connection?

White, redneck and violence?

So, like... what's the connection?


Why is calling someone a redneck not racist when calling someone a n@igger is?

Is there a law that states it is not racist when directed towards white people?

Myself, I don't care, but I've read some of your posts before and think you a cocksucker.
 
2007-08-03 09:47:35 PM
fark these guys. The FBI had been watching the joint for a year, and not doing anything. Making sure "due process" was followed, and all of that.

Then, guess what? They up and kill someone. Feds go in and shockingly find a bunch of weapons and evidence connected to the hit.

And now, Al Sharpton and a bunch of other activists and lawyers are going to come out of the woodwork to defend this group of good for nothing criminals. I hope they all go to hell.
 
2007-08-03 09:53:21 PM
AlanHoward: kennygeez: Mighty_Dog: Blacks, muslims and violence?

So, like... what's the connection?

White, redneck and violence?

So, like... what's the connection?

Why is calling someone a redneck not racist when calling someone a n@igger is?

Is there a law that states it is not racist when directed towards white people?

Myself, I don't care, but I've read some of your posts before and think you a cocksucker.


If you think redneck and the N word are even on the same page in the book of racism, you are sadly mistaken.
 
2007-08-03 09:55:32 PM
The bakery has been a problem in that area for awhile. Although I did like when it's 'patrons' were going into the local liquor stores and busting 'em up in the name of neighborhood peace.

Now we have what appears to be another group of violent muzzies, who are being investigated for a murder, and apparently have been stockpiling firearms in a public business.

NOTHING TO SEE HERE, JUST ANOTHER ISOLATED COINCIDENCE
(paid for by the John Walker Lindh foundation for peace)
 
2007-08-03 09:56:31 PM
lunaticcringeradio: we're being racially and spiritually profiled because we commited a crime, and that's just criminal. what nerve you infidels have. i'll chop off your head.

I think most of the objection here was to the assumption that it is particularly wrong or dangerous for black muslims to have guns.

If these particular black muslims are involved in criminal activity then that's a seperate farked up matter. But it seems that when people of certain ethnic origins and spiritual beliefs poses firearms there seems to be an automatic assumption that they are terrorists.

In fact this group, if guilty, were acting like gang bangers and not terrorists.

When white meth freaks get raided there is often a mention of large numbers of weapons but no similar terrorist connotation.
 
2007-08-03 09:59:06 PM
cabal08: moops: "Nation of Islam is not recognized by other muslim groups as part of their religion".

That would explain "Minister" Farrakhan's title. I never heard of any muslims use the title "minister" except for Farrakhan. It always seemed odd like Rabbi O'Fallon or Reverend Goldstein.

/Might pay to see a reporter ask Farrakhan about that...
//Definitely would pay to see the response.


Many xtian groups don't recognize other xtians as xtians. So?

This is America. You are allowed to believe in whatever false deity you want to.

And have guns.
 
2007-08-03 10:01:08 PM
AlanHoward: kennygeez: Mighty_Dog: Blacks, muslims and violence?

So, like... what's the connection?

White, redneck and violence?

So, like... what's the connection?

Why is calling someone a redneck not racist when calling someone a n@igger is?

Is there a law that states it is not racist when directed towards white people?

Myself, I don't care, but I've read some of your posts before and think you a cocksucker.


Redneck is a racist term. Anyone who says otherwise is either ignorant or ....no they are just ignorant.
 
2007-08-03 10:04:03 PM
mark0h: AlanHoward: kennygeez: Mighty_Dog: Blacks, muslims and violence?

So, like... what's the connection?

White, redneck and violence?

So, like... what's the connection?

Why is calling someone a redneck not racist when calling someone a n@igger is?

Is there a law that states it is not racist when directed towards white people?

Myself, I don't care, but I've read some of your posts before and think you a cocksucker.

If you think redneck and the N word are even on the same page in the book of racism, you are sadly mistaken.


So is jigaboo closer to redneck than nagger? It's all racial pejoratives. Maybe some people either don't mind some words as much, but a racial epithet is a racial epithet.

I won;t refute that different words have different semantic values, but that does not negate the fact that they still have negative racial connotations, even if they are relative.
 
2007-08-03 10:05:47 PM
natas6.0: The bakery has been a problem in that area for awhile. Although I did like when it's 'patrons' were going into the local liquor stores and busting 'em up in the name of neighborhood peace.

Now we have what appears to be another group of violent muzzies, who are being investigated for a murder, and apparently have been stockpiling firearms in a public business.

NOTHING TO SEE HERE, JUST ANOTHER ISOLATED COINCIDENCE
(paid for by the John Walker Lindh foundation for peace)


Many prominent baptist churches sponsored "temperance raids" where the members would go and bust up bars and sometimes assault the customers.

Not saying the bakery people are cool, but there is plenty of dickery to go around.
 
2007-08-03 10:14:13 PM
gorgor

You do realize Urkel was a nerd right?
 
2007-08-03 10:22:45 PM
Not saying the bakery people are cool, but there is plenty of dickery to go around.

Yes, especially since the topic at hand was about "dickery" in general and not just this one group.
 
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