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2007-08-02 11:37:29 AM
Theros: If we all had your attitude, we'd all still be living in caves.
 
2007-08-02 11:40:09 AM
sorhed: I watched a meter maid pull his little Cavalier on Richmond street just east of Spadina 3 days ago, turn on his fscking 4 ways, and walk into the Second Cup.

I was farking flabberghasted.

Assbags.
 
2007-08-02 11:40:10 AM
As someone who just got a parking ticket for parking on an ordinary street during the day, I give a huge "fark you" to all traffic wardens.
 
2007-08-02 11:40:14 AM
On another note, sirens are cool.

http://www.airraidsirens.com/
 
2007-08-02 11:40:16 AM
In my town they intially struck down parking meters because the city couldn't charge people to park on a public street. So, the city changed it so that the parking fees were the cost of maintaining the parking meters and the fines were for failure to pay maintenance fees.
 
2007-08-02 11:40:40 AM
I remember when I went to the Univeristy of Minnesota, they had a Burger King on campus.

During lunch time there was always a parking enforcement officer reading loudly licenese plate numbers. Total parking Nazis on campus.
 
2007-08-02 11:41:26 AM
Theros: Lousy_Smarch_Weather!!: No, this does not deserve a 'hero' tag. Don't park your car illegally. Pay your meter. STFU about it.

Exactly. It's so tiresome to hear these juvenile complaints. Ever hear of putting money in your car? Are you really that lazy? If it's a financial issue, then you don't have any business driving. Here's a novel idea: How about not breaking the law? Maybe then you won't so asininely say that you "hate cops". This is the same as a little kid telling his mom that he hates her because she won't let him have a giant bowl of ice cream before bed.

/Get over yourselves.
//If you don't like it, stop posting in FARK, and take action locally.


How about understanding the issue and then spouting off? Are you aware that this is taking place outside DC and there MAY be differences between there and the story's location? There is no law breaking going on here, it's about the detrimental effects council policies have on local communities, the very thing they're there to protect.

Firstly, how is putting money in the car going to help? I think you mean parking meters, which are not mentioned anywhere in the story and are not the issue. Good work.

Secondly, traffic wardens in this country are notorious for hanging around time limited parking bays waiting for the alloted time to run out, which they're not technically allowed to do. Often they'll use this time to write their ticket so they can issue it immediately, again contrary to the rules. Never mind those tickets issued early which are technically void but still get processed.

The main issue here though is the council's unmitigated and barefaced revenue collection at the cost of the very people they are there to help. Instead of lining the council coffers with money from a massive supermarket chain (the bane of local businesses) to approve their parking requests while denying and ticketing the small businesses and their customers, maybe the council should use some of the revenue collected to provide MORE parking facilities for their constituents rather than penalise the local people and the local businesses. They have it ass-backward and anybody who sides with this thinking and believes that it's right is a fool.
 
2007-08-02 11:41:59 AM
stiletto_the_wise: Here come the Law And Order worshipers. That didn't take too long. Put your boots on, everybody, it's time for your daily obedience march!

OBEY! OBEY! Left! Right! Left! Right! Tuuuuuurn! Halt!


Yeah, yeah. Did you mean to capitalize "Law and Order"? Are you implying that I love that TV show?

I don't care about obeying laws so much. I do, however, grow weary of those dolts who think that they are constantly victims in the conspiracy du jour. Society can only exist when people are held accountable for their actions. All I'm saying is, if you break the law, don't biatch when you get caught. Acknowledge that you had an active role in these events -- life isn't just "happening to you".

In college, I spent more on parking tickets than I did for the vehicle I drove at that time. Did I biatch? Yes. Did I grow the F up, and get over it? Yes.
 
2007-08-02 11:43:05 AM
sorhed: FarkerCochrane: We once did this to the garbage pickers that would come by in the middle of the night and dump your cans over looking for stuff to take.

In Toronto we call them raccoons.


In Ottawa, there's an actual cash incentive for people to go through your recycling bin...

They only have to go across the river into Quebec to turn their collected aluminium pop cans into cash.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2007-08-02 11:44:46 AM
drunkennewfiemidget: Theros: If we all had your attitude, we'd all still be living in caves.

That's mighty 1. Presumptuous and 2. Wrong.

Now it's my turn: If we all had your attitude, we'd be dead.
 
2007-08-02 11:44:58 AM
Boobies!!!: If you replace "traffic wardens" with "black people" the story is very different could make great legislation.
 
2007-08-02 11:49:53 AM
What's a "parking bay" hold? Alright, yes, clearly they hold automobiles. How many does one hold? 10? 25?

TFA says one supermarket has two bays, but that the 39 other businesses have 19. Of those 19, 6 have been out for two months due to construction. So these 39 businesses have lost 30% of the parking for two months, and they're saying their businesses are losing money because of it. And the traffic wardens, who now have 30% less area to cover, are ticketing people who have less room to park, and therefore giving out tickets more frequently than before.

I'd say this is a reasonable problem. The siren is not an unexpected reaction from 40 businessmen who are seeing their consumers deciding to shop elsewhere because the city has made the area have no available parking and overly patrolled.
 
2007-08-02 11:52:57 AM
Bacon Bits: What's a "parking bay" hold? Alright, yes, clearly they hold automobiles. How many does one hold? 10? 25?

TFA says one supermarket has two bays, but that the 39 other businesses have 19. Of those 19, 6 have been out for two months due to construction. So these 39 businesses have lost 30% of the parking for two months, and they're saying their businesses are losing money because of it. And the traffic wardens, who now have 30% less area to cover, are ticketing people who have less room to park, and therefore giving out tickets more frequently than before.

I'd say this is a reasonable problem. The siren is not an unexpected reaction from 40 businessmen who are seeing their consumers deciding to shop elsewhere because the city has made the area have no available parking and overly patrolled.


Exactly, and all in the name of revenue collection. This type of policy sinks small businesses.
 
2007-08-02 11:53:21 AM
Anyone have a link to the meter fairy from jackass? What about the one where they pretend to be the meter maid and give tickets to people?
 
2007-08-02 11:56:32 AM
How about understanding the issue and then spouting off? Are you aware that this is taking place outside DC and there MAY be differences between there and the story's location?

I'm well-aware of this. How about you don't assume that I don't know this. It is irrelevant anyway.

There is no law breaking going on here, it's about the detrimental effects council policies have on local communities, the very thing they're there to protect.

Um, no it isn't. The article is about a guy who alerts people WHO HAVE BROKEN THE LAW that they are about to get nicked.

Firstly, how is putting money in the car going to help? I think you mean parking meters, which are not mentioned anywhere in the story and are not the issue. Good work.

If you would read instead of jumping the gun, then maybe you would understand that this was in response to the post about the guy who "doesn't have money in his car".

Secondly, traffic wardens in this country are notorious for hanging around time limited parking bays waiting for the alloted time to run out, which they're not technically allowed to do.

Why not? What technicality states this? Or is this just your opinion?

Often they'll use this time to write their ticket so they can issue it immediately, again contrary to the rules. Never mind those tickets issued early which are technically void but still get processed. The main issue here though is the council's unmitigated and barefaced revenue collection at the cost of the very people they are there to help. Instead of lining the council coffers with money from a massive supermarket chain (the bane of local businesses) to approve their parking requests while denying and ticketing the small businesses and their customers, maybe the council should use some of the revenue collected to provide MORE parking facilities for their constituents rather than penalise the local people and the local businesses. They have it ass-backward and anybody who sides with this thinking and believes that it's right is a fool.

You obviously have your own agenda here. My statements were simple: If you break the law, and you get caught, don't biatch into the ether -- DO something about it.

//GBTW
 
2007-08-02 11:57:58 AM
Sorry about the italics, FARK didn't like all the HTML tags, and omitted most of them.
 
2007-08-02 12:03:22 PM
Theros: So you're saying that a guy who is being unjustly given a ticket despite having the correct information, and parking perfectly legally and is just getting shiat on should stop driving and start taking the bus instead of trying to get the injustice fixed?

You're right, I'm wrong.

/ I hope your sarcasm detector works.
 
2007-08-02 12:07:04 PM
Theros, while your reasoning is sound, it leaves out a primary issue.

Nobody's going to vote out a local yokel politician because of parking meters. Or b/c 'somebody' lowered the speed limit on a semi-busy road to increase ticket revenue.

That's why your "you broke the law, don't biatch, do something" argument doesn't really work. Because everybody's a selfish asshole that doesn't care about anything that doesn't affect them. In general at least.

So, as a good neighbor, you fight stupid local ordinances where you can. You can't get them changed through political activism, so the guy FTFA is doing something.
 
2007-08-02 12:07:09 PM
Ha. Amateur. What you need is a 30000 watt Chrysler air raid siren.

Air raid siren (pops)
 
2007-08-02 12:10:46 PM
Tom: Jesus, Ed, we've got a traffic warden!
Bacon: I think he's still alive - he's got claret coming out of him somewhere. What did they want with a traffic warden?
Eddie: I don't know, but I don't think we need him! Knock him out and dump him at the lights!
Bacon: Knock him out? What'd ya mean, knock him out? Knock him out with what?
Eddie: I don't know! Use your imagination!
[Bacon punches the Traffic Warden, who moans in pain]
Tom: Don't touch him up! Knock him out!
Bacon: I'll knock you out in a minute! Look, you want to knock him out? *You* knock him out.
Eddie: I farking hate traffic wardens.

/COME ON PEOPLE
 
2007-08-02 12:12:51 PM
viva la revolution!
 
2007-08-02 12:15:04 PM
Thanks Tentacle for the great link. FT WSJ article:

"This is just a combination of an alarm clock and a slot machine which is being used for further socking the motorist, who is already paying enough in taxes," argued William Gottlieb of the Automobile Club of New York.

You, Mr Gottlieb should have received a Congressinal Medal of Honor; we need more men like you. Wonder what you would think of Mayor Mike "Let them take the subway" Bloomberg's congestion pricing plan? Howsabout getting the increased public transportation in place BEFORE you implement this hair-brained tax grab. The subways and suburban trains are packed to capacity as it is here. ANd while we are at it, that 15' on either side of the fire hydrant is also another tax grab. I think 3' either side should suffice. After all, how thick is the hose?


And why am I not suprised that the person who invented the parking meter was a lawyer? Another bunch of bottom-feeding scum.
 
2007-08-02 12:19:02 PM
Theros: How about understanding the issue and then spouting off? Are you aware that this is taking place outside DC and there MAY be differences between there and the story's location?

I'm well-aware of this. How about you don't assume that I don't know this. It is irrelevant anyway.

There is no law breaking going on here, it's about the detrimental effects council policies have on local communities, the very thing they're there to protect.

Um, no it isn't. The article is about a guy who alerts people WHO HAVE BROKEN THE LAW that they are about to get nicked.

Firstly, how is putting money in the car going to help? I think you mean parking meters, which are not mentioned anywhere in the story and are not the issue. Good work.

If you would read instead of jumping the gun, then maybe you would understand that this was in response to the post about the guy who "doesn't have money in his car".

Secondly, traffic wardens in this country are notorious for hanging around time limited parking bays waiting for the alloted time to run out, which they're not technically allowed to do.

Why not? What technicality states this? Or is this just your opinion?

Often they'll use this time to write their ticket so they can issue it immediately, again contrary to the rules. Never mind those tickets issued early which are technically void but still get processed. The main issue here though is the council's unmitigated and barefaced revenue collection at the cost of the very people they are there to help. Instead of lining the council coffers with money from a massive supermarket chain (the bane of local businesses) to approve their parking requests while denying and ticketing the small businesses and their customers, maybe the council should use some of the revenue collected to provide MORE parking facilities for their constituents rather than penalise the local people and the local businesses. They have it ass-backward and anybody who sides with this thinking and believes that it's right is a fool.

You obviously have your own agenda here. My statements were simple: If you break the law, and you get caught, don't biatch into the ether -- DO something about it.

//GBTW


Unfortunately, I don't live in Richmond so have no say in this issue. However, my local council has done exactly the same in my area and I have already contacted my MP regarding it. So in doing something do I gain your permission to biatch?

The technicality: These bays have a limited time on them. Let's say 30 minutes with return prohibited in 2 hours (and how much of your shopping/errands can you do in 30 minutes? It's an unrealistic time limit imposed for.....yep, you guessed it, revenue collection). Rather than allow the motorist the chance to move, the warden will take down vehicle details ahead of the time limit and write the ticket so it can be issued instantly. This is assuming that the motorist is guilty beforehand. That is not legal and tickets issued this way are void. However, try arguing that in a court when it's the warden's word against your own. Also, tickets are not technically issued unless they are physically placed on the car. However, this does not stop the warden issuing it (generally in to a bin) and then claiming it was removed by the owner. This is not a theory, it has happened to me and to 3 other friends and colleagues who drive in London.

The meter issue: Ok, so you were responding to someone who mentioned meters. You still agreed wholeheartedly that it was a good point. Which it wasn't, as they're not part of the discussion. This has absolutely nothing to do with the local people's personal finances as you intimated, it is to do with unfair council policies and the impact on small businesses, and the stand the local business owners have chosen to take in defence of their livelihoods.

My agenda? Not being farked over by local government who already charge for their services. Not just taking it when they act in unethical ways to the detriment of small businesses and thereby the local communities.

You can GBTW, I'm finished for the day.
 
2007-08-02 12:21:26 PM
safeinsane ..... Holly SHIAT!! How loud is THAT!!! Yikes!!
 
2007-08-02 12:23:26 PM
Theros & FlippityFlap

I'm familiar with sound company hype,been a musician for 30 years.
Those little EVs are rated at no more than 150 watts,try runnin' 1000 watts thru 'em & the drivers'll be in the next county.
 
zz9
2007-08-02 12:24:33 PM
What's a "parking bay" hold? Alright, yes, clearly they hold automobiles. How many does one hold? 10? 25?


A parking bay holds one car. So 19 bays, 19 cars. For 39 shops.

The supermarket had two loading bays, where an eighteen wheeler can stop legaly on the road and offload. Tesco Extra is a mini supermarket, many in cities dont have any customer parking at all or may only have space for ten cars or so.
 
2007-08-02 12:41:34 PM
Here's a better idea then putting up parking meters that hurt small / local businesses and stifle commerce in downtowns...

For large businesses, national chains, big box stores, etc (say...Walmart or Best Buy) that tend to throw up a store with a gigantic parking lot, charge them say...$1 per day, per space. Reduce the fee by 10% per space for every 5% of their total property that is grass or landscaped.

Now, there is less of an incentive for a business to just come in and pave a giant parking lot, half of which will never be used. I mean, how often do you see a big box store or strip mall with a gigantic parking lot and fifteen cars parked up by the stores?

The businesses are rewarded for using the space for a good purpose - and it also helps to reduce flooding and cool down the whole area (more parking lots, the warmer your city is). There is a little bit of an incentive for people to car pool or take fewer trips to the store. The extra revenue can make up for parking meters and fund public parking or garages in downtowns - you are getting it every day regardless of someone using the space or not. And most of all, more people are spending money in your downtown - giving money to your local citizens instead of some giant national chains.
 
2007-08-02 12:42:40 PM
Gsm136
Awesome

Seconded. He could just play the intro to Sabbath's War Pigs

That would rock.
 
2007-08-02 12:48:11 PM
vertigo32: Here's a better idea then putting up parking meters that hurt small / local businesses and stifle commerce in downtowns...

For large businesses, national chains, big box stores, etc (say...Walmart or Best Buy) that tend to throw up a store with a gigantic parking lot, charge them say...$1 per day, per space. Reduce the fee by 10% per space for every 5% of their total property that is grass or landscaped.

Now, there is less of an incentive for a business to just come in and pave a giant parking lot, half of which will never be used. I mean, how often do you see a big box store or strip mall with a gigantic parking lot and fifteen cars parked up by the stores?

The businesses are rewarded for using the space for a good purpose - and it also helps to reduce flooding and cool down the whole area (more parking lots, the warmer your city is). There is a little bit of an incentive for people to car pool or take fewer trips to the store. The extra revenue can make up for parking meters and fund public parking or garages in downtowns - you are getting it every day regardless of someone using the space or not. And most of all, more people are spending money in your downtown - giving money to your local citizens instead of some giant national chains.



BRILLIANT! That'd put a damper on the proliferation of those vile wastelands Smart Centres keeps putting up in the GTA. Our city is being destroyed, one giant parking lot at a time.
 
2007-08-02 12:50:45 PM
Oznog - first thing i thought of

/love that movie
 
2007-08-02 12:52:29 PM
Gsm136: Awesome
Buskethead: Where's that hero tag at...


Secondthirded fourthed?
 
2007-08-02 01:00:01 PM
Mmmmm, EV. Good speakers.
 
2007-08-02 01:07:17 PM
Unfortunately, I don't live in Richmond so have no say in this issue. However, my local council has done exactly the same in my area and I have already contacted my MP regarding it. So in doing something do I gain your permission to biatch?

The technicality: These bays have a limited time on them. Let's say 30 minutes with return prohibited in 2 hours (and how much of your shopping/errands can you do in 30 minutes? It's an unrealistic time limit imposed for.....yep, you guessed it, revenue collection). Rather than allow the motorist the chance to move, the warden will take down vehicle details ahead of the time limit and write the ticket so it can be issued instantly. This is assuming that the motorist is guilty beforehand. That is not legal and tickets issued this way are void. However, try arguing that in a court when it's the warden's word against your own. Also, tickets are not technically issued unless they are physically placed on the car. However, this does not stop the warden issuing it (generally in to a bin) and then claiming it was removed by the owner. This is not a theory, it has happened to me and to 3 other friends and colleagues who drive in London.

The meter issue: Ok, so you were responding to someone who mentioned meters. You still agreed wholeheartedly that it was a good point. Which it wasn't, as they're not part of the discussion. This has absolutely nothing to do with the local people's personal finances as you intimated, it is to do with unfair council policies and the impact on small businesses, and the stand the local business owners have chosen to take in defence of their livelihoods.

My agenda? Not being farked over by local government who already charge for their services. Not just taking it when they act in unethical ways to the detriment of small businesses and thereby the local communities.

You can GBTW, I'm fin ...


Your ASSUMPTION: Everything in this thread must deal directly with the article's content. Let me clear this up for you. That is an errant assumption.

Now...

I'm not blind to the "bigger picture" here. I agree that is sucks, but I AM NOT ATTEMPTING TO CONTRADICT THE CONTENT OF THIS ARTICLE.

All I am saying is this: The definition of insanity is repeating the same action over and over, and expecting a different result. If I keep walking through the ghetto to go to the grocery store, and I get mugged once every 4 trips, at what point do you just stop taking that route? If you know there is a potential to get a fine, justly, or otherwise, why take the risk???

So, shiatcan your presumptuousness, your logical fallacies, and your personal projections -- they are irrelevant.

Hitler.
 
2007-08-02 01:08:39 PM
Correction:

I'm not blind to the "bigger picture" here. I agree that it sucks, but I AM NOT ATTEMPTING TO CONTRADICT THE CONTENT OF THIS ARTICLE.
 
2007-08-02 01:16:06 PM
Attention UK:

Stop trying to emulate New Rome, Ohio.


Even Ohio, the state built on speeding ticket revenues, shut it down as being obnoxious, fast and loose with the law.
 
2007-08-02 01:16:23 PM
mdeesnuts: Theros, while your reasoning is sound, it leaves out a primary issue.

Stop right there. I didn't address this issue deliberately. (See my last posting.)

Nobody's going to vote out a local yokel politician because of parking meters. Or b/c 'somebody' lowered the speed limit on a semi-busy road to increase ticket revenue.

Wrong. It's thinking like that which stifles change.

That's why your "you broke the law, don't biatch, do something" argument doesn't really work.

That wasn't an argument; it was a statement.

Because everybody's a selfish asshole that doesn't care about anything that doesn't affect them. In general at least.

It sounds to me like this is YOUR outlook on life.

So, as a good neighbor, you fight stupid local ordinances where you can. You can't get them changed through political activism, so the guy FTFA is doing something.

Look, I understand what you are saying. But it simply does not change the fact that there is a restricted parking area. If you violate the POSTED RESTRICTION, then you are likely to receive a fine. If you don't like it, DON'T PARK THERE!!!
 
2007-08-02 01:24:07 PM
Theros
All I am saying is this: The definition of insanity is repeating the same action over and over, and expecting a different result. If I keep walking through the ghetto to go to the grocery store, and I get mugged once every 4 trips, at what point do you just stop taking that route? If you know there is a potential to get a fine, justly, or otherwise, why take the risk???

So, shiatcan your presumptuousness, your logical fallacies, and your personal projections -- they are irrelevant.


You forgot to add:

Has the whole world gone crazy?! Am I the only one around here who gives a shiat about the rules?! Mark it zero!

Nice try with the godwin, BTW. Why didn't you just say "I'm an asshat and my asshat views got pwned by logic based in reality, so now I'm being a little biatch"?

At least it would have been honest.
 
2007-08-02 01:24:23 PM
Nick Nostril: Gsm136
Awesome

Seconded. He could just play the intro to Sabbath's War Pigs

That would rock.


LOL! Yes. Yes, it would.
 
2007-08-02 01:28:51 PM
I'm surprised nobody's mentioned this:

This has to scare the everliving fark out of anybody over 67. This guy's just waiting for a lawsuit when some pensioner has a flashback to the Blitz and keels over.
 
2007-08-02 01:32:11 PM
FarkinNortherner:

Neither of you have has ever parked in London.

What is up with the presumptuousness today???

BTW, you're wrong.
 
2007-08-02 01:33:09 PM
dupper: I'm surprised nobody's mentioned this:

This has to scare the everliving fark out of anybody over 67. This guy's just waiting for a lawsuit when some pensioner has a flashback to the Blitz and keels over.


Aren't there strict noise ordinances in London???
 
2007-08-02 01:40:49 PM
These newer meters (new window) take ATM or credit cards and send a text message to your cell phone warning you when your time will expire.
 
2007-08-02 01:41:46 PM
Boobies!!!: If you replace "traffic wardens" with "black people" the story is very different.

By George, you're right!
 
2007-08-02 01:49:32 PM
drunkennewfiemidget: sorhed: I watched a meter maid pull his little Cavalier on Richmond street just east of Spadina 3 days ago, turn on his fscking 4 ways, and walk into the Second Cup.

I was farking flabberghasted.

Assbags.


I call "4 ways" "park anywhere lights".

/I don't care if you're going to be just a minute, find a bona fide space! Hazard lights don't permit asshattery, last time I checked.
 
2007-08-02 01:52:48 PM
home.comcast.net
 
2007-08-02 02:00:49 PM
ChuckyV: These newer meters (new window) take ATM or credit cards and send a text message to your cell phone warning you when your time will expire.

Overall, a pretty good idea. Something I can't get past in that article: "In the meantime, here's an idea for New York: scrap the Parking Card, and let the meters take MetroCards. Most New Yorkers already have those, and you can pick them up in any subway station."

Well, yeah, but most New Yorkers have those, because they DON'T HAVE CARS!! At least there are plenty of stations in which to pick one up...
 
2007-08-02 03:07:52 PM
Theros: Neither of you have has ever parked in London.

Tiresome pedantry notwithstanding:

I/you/we/they "have"
He/she/it "has"

What is up with the presumptuousness today???

It's a reasonable supposition, given that your perception of the situation is so at odds with reality.

BTW, you're wrong.

I have my doubts.

FarkinNortherner: Snarfangel: They'll probably just set up a dozen cameras in the area and autoticket people.

I appreciate that a (tired) point about CCTV is being made, but parking tickets can't be issued based on camera evidence.


Depressingly, with regards to this, I am wrong. Legal in London since 2000 in some circumstances.
 
2007-08-02 03:36:57 PM
offacue: On another note, sirens are cool.

http://www.airraidsirens.com/


Thanks for the link, man. That's farking cool. It brought back sweet childhood memories, believe it or not! On the last Friday of every month in grade school, we heard this (direct link to mp3) and would have to duck and cover under our desks. Don't know why...it was the 70s...hippie attack?

Good (scary) times.
 
2007-08-02 03:37:39 PM
When black people started to blitz a quiet corner of suburban London, one shopkeeper decided it was his duty to fight back.

Martin Herdman put up a 1,000-watt public address system outside his shop near Twickenham and recruited a network of "spies" to alert him the instant they spotted a black person in the area.

Then, as soon as the alarm was raised, he started playing a recording of a Second World War-style air raid siren over the system.

Mr Herdman's early warning system gives customers a chance to move their cars before they are ticketed by the black person.

The 50-year-old carpet shop owner and former part-time actor and musician said: "I put it up a few weeks ago. I get a phone call from other shop owners or residents whenever black persons are around, so everyone knows they are about to be nicked.

"It does work - it lets everyone know and then it's up to them if they get a fine or not."

Mr Herdman said that within a few days of his PA system starting, the number of black persons in the area had gone down, "although there were seven of them around this morning".

He said he had resorted to the "deterrent" because he feared trade at his shopping parade would be destroyed by over-zealous black people.

He said: "The black person council put in 19 parking bays for the 39 shops on the parade. They are very busy, interesting shops that include art galleries and herbal clinics as well as butchers and cafés. It is a really useful, trendy place to go shopping.

"We have had roadworks for two months now that have knocked out five or six of the bays, but the black persons are still hounding the remaining bays.

Mr Herdman said: "I shouldn't have to do things like this to get attention - I'm just trying to make it a better place for our customers and, hopefully, the black people council will come back with a sensible solution that will stop the decimation of our community."


David Trigg, Richmond's cabinet member for black people, said: "Ideally, we would like to provide more parking for business but we have to juggle priorities.
 
2007-08-02 03:51:52 PM
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Fraulein, it appears your parking has expired. Let me help you with that.
 
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