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(ABC)   First paragraph: Last year a record 10,942 Americans moved to Canada, mostly to get away from Bush. Fourth paragraph: Last year 23,913 Canadians also moved to the US, presumably to get away from Canada's superior health care or something   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 269
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2007-08-01 06:50:40 PM
RecliningBuddha [TotalFark] Quote 2007-08-01 06:22:30 PM

Just because.
 
2007-08-01 06:50:56 PM
just get generic amoxil. it's like $10 for a bottle of 100 500mg tablets.

I have been taking it for over 20 years trying to brew a supervirus.
 
2007-08-01 06:51:52 PM
Americans immigrate to Canada to get away from Bush.

Canda immigrates to America to get away from Americans.

Makes sense to me!
 
2007-08-01 06:55:02 PM
5000_gallons_of_toothpaste: I prefer to get my news from rumor and small children.

You're in the right place.
 
2007-08-01 06:56:55 PM
I wonder how many of those Canadian immigrants to America were overseas immigrants using Canada as a stepping stone.
 
2007-08-01 06:58:17 PM
Hideously Gigantic Smurf: Americans immigrate to Canada to get away from Bush.

Canda immigrates to America to get away from Americans.

Makes sense to me!


I realize that this was your idea of a joke, (and by that I mean it was pointless, ill-conceived, and lacked anything approaching humor) but come on. Canadians would move to America, with MILLIONS of Americans, to get away from 20 thousand Americans that moved there last year? Yeah boy, you're the next Stephen Colbert.
 
2007-08-01 06:59:18 PM
FTFA: During the mid-70s, Canada admitted between 22,000 and 26,000 Americans a year, most of whom were draft dodgers from the Vietnam War."

I wonder how many have come back, or are holed up in the Yukon still biatching about everything...
 
2007-08-01 06:59:59 PM
First paragraph: Last year a record 10,942 Americans moved to Canada, mostly to get away from Bush. Fourth paragraph: Last year 23,913 Canadians also moved to the US, presumably to get away from Canada's superior health care or somethingthe Québécois.


And all the dvmn Newfies. God I hate Newfies.



Fixed that for ya, subby!
 
2007-08-01 07:00:14 PM
5000_gallons_of_toothpaste: I prefer to get my news from rumor and small children.

And Bat Boy, yet he's out of a job now.
 
2007-08-01 07:00:53 PM
Lower-class Americans who are most hurt by Bush's policies also have the most difficulty being allowed entrance to Canada. Upper-class Canadian right-wingers who prefer tax cuts to nationality have the wealth to be allowed into the US.

If emigration to Canada was easier, we'd see a *lot* more immigrants from the states. There's nothing to see here other than that the bourgeoisie can migrate freely.
 
2007-08-01 07:01:05 PM
old story - friend of my father ($$$ surgery doc at Mass General) wanted to spend summers in Toronto. Took a part time position there. Had a house built in an exclusive area - He lived in a mansion in the Boston area, wanted a "small" place for his wife and himself. Neighbors complained that he had only spent $500K in an area that was supposed to have minimum $1Mil. So - being pissed off, he contacted one of the newly formed laser engraving firms and asked what it would take to produce a whole hunting scene on a garage door. The resulting garage door more than made up the difference.
 
2007-08-01 07:01:23 PM
Dubya's_Coke_Dealer:
`"As great as Canada is, It's very hard to start a business and get rich up here. Canada is generally great for living and raising a family."

Right, if you care more about money than your family, you should be in America.


Because we all know "caring" puts food on your family. Duh!

logictwisted:
Isn't that like staying in the tree house when you get upset with your parents?

:)

Nobodyn0se :
SMB42: Got this spider bite and its eating my arm like a chemical burn but can't afford Amoxacilan (sp?) but hey when I get cancer they will pay for that.

Order amoxacylin for fish online. 10 bucks a bottle. Find out what the normal does is for human amoxycilin and use the fishmox accordingly. It's the same shiat.


Not this. he is trying to trick you. You will turn purple and begin to smell like a shiat-house door on a tuna boat. (unless you already do, then go ahead...)
 
2007-08-01 07:01:27 PM
albo: The current increase appears to be fueled largely by social and political reasons, says Jedwab,

No, YOU'RE a jedwab!
 
2007-08-01 07:01:33 PM
Dick_Hertz - speak for your self. Oh the bc interior is the greatest well if you like 35 - 40 celcius for three months. Followed by mild falls and spring with aboot three months of mild winter.
Way better then Edmonton I was always cold there. Richer but cold.

Which is also why all the hippys move here. cause they can live on the streets all year :(

sprd - thanks for the tip. Wow do I hate spiders now, its funny how you can care less about something till it tries to kill you.

And Canadians are moving to the states? Thats silly.
 
2007-08-01 07:02:05 PM
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2007-08-01 07:02:46 PM
Fakk: Handsome B. Wonderful: This might come as a shock to Americans, but it's to get away from the oppressive taxes. That free health care isn't as free as you think it is.

NO ONE THINKS THAT IT IS FREE.

NO ONE.


It's not free, and you only get it if you've been on a waiting list for a few months. Yee haw, dying on a waiting list...my idea of fun!

Access to a waiting list is NOT access to healthcare!
 
2007-08-01 07:04:25 PM
Samsaran: The Canadians probably wanted to move to a country where there was a Bill of Rights protecting their freedom instead of a so called "Charter" which can be revoked at will by the ruling party.

Yeah ... Canadians will say "its never been done" as if this meant it can't or won't be done. WRONG. If history teaches us anything it is that a government will take advantage of any legal pretext to seize and retain power. Its only a matter of time. Then we will see a veritable flood of Canadians across the border.


Um. No (pops).
 
2007-08-01 07:04:46 PM
Timmy_McTiggot: notimeforhippies: Given all the hype about "Sicko" and how the Canadian system is so much better than the United States, you would think that at a minimum American emigration would be at least comparable to the opposite case, but it's not. Many, many more Canadians would rather come here than vice versa. If Michael Moore saw 215,575 Americans emigrate to Canada we would surely have seen it in his film, since people vote with their feet. But of course he would not include the other side of the story in his film either.

Did it ever occur to you that people who can least likely afford to switch countries on a whim are the same ones that can't afford health insurance?


Then they're beyond piss poor broke then. What it would cost me to uproot life as it is to relocate anywhere in Canuckyland would be the equivalant to several years health insurance I'm paying now for the family. So the trade off will be years off in the future and I'm still out of money. And more taxes.
 
2007-08-01 07:04:52 PM
painendstheass Quote 2007-08-01 06:25:16 PM
the USA is more than 10 times the market size of canada, meaning there really should be about 10 times more people moving from canada to the US for jobs alone. the fact that the actual numbers of canadians moving south are so low should be deeply embarrassing to every american who honestly believes the hype about the USA being the worlds greatest nation

What is truly embarrassing is your poor command of the English language. Oh, and your inability to grasp the concepts of Logic. Plus your having the wrong statistics. But aside from that, it is warming to know that people with double-digit I.Q.'s like you are permitted on Fark.

/I know that I've used a lot of big words, but you can get someone ho has graduated from High School to explain them to you.
// Good luck in the Special Olympics!
 
2007-08-01 07:05:27 PM
You have to figure in that a LOT of Canadians come to the US for good jobs that provide health coverage anyway. My company has quite a few. Free health care + lower taxes = best of both worlds.

I wonder what % of the Canadians coming to the US are hockey players (NHL, AHL, ECHL). It's small, but I bet it's not completely trivial. Maybe somebody less lazy than me can calculate.
 
2007-08-01 07:05:46 PM
birdboy2000: Lower-class Americans who are most hurt by Bush's policies also have the most difficulty being allowed entrance to Canada. Upper-class Canadian right-wingers who prefer tax cuts to nationality have the wealth to be allowed into the US.



For christ sake, wtf are you even talking about?
 
2007-08-01 07:06:27 PM
birdboy2000:
If emigration to Canada was easier, we'd see a *lot* more immigrants from the states. There's nothing to see here other than that the bourgeoisie can migrate freely.


You can always hitchike. Or just walk across for free like they do from Mexico. Mighty wide borders with crappy security.
 
2007-08-01 07:06:28 PM
I was once told by a Deputy Consul-General that 75% of Canadians will have returned to Canada within 6 years of emigrating to the U.S. Does anyone know what the comparable figure might be for USAians repatriating after moving to Canada?
 
2007-08-01 07:07:01 PM
Well, one of the guys left fo rsame sex benifits and marriage. Good bye and Canada, enjoy those health care costs.
 
2007-08-01 07:07:04 PM
glassa is right!!!

I personally have died on several waiting lists over the last 25 years!!!

/exclamation marks!!!
 
2007-08-01 07:07:06 PM
I would like to thank these ex-Americans for sacrificing themselves for the betterment of the US.
 
2007-08-01 07:08:58 PM
LavenderWolf:
I wonder how many of those Canadian immigrants to America were overseas immigrants using Canada as a stepping stone.

Turrists?

birdboy2000:
Lower-class Americans who are most hurt by Bush's policies also have the most difficulty being allowed entrance to Canada. Upper-class Canadian right-wingers who prefer tax cuts to nationality have the wealth to be allowed into the US.

If emigration to Canada was easier, we'd see a *lot* more immigrants from the states. There's nothing to see here other than that the bourgeoisie can migrate freely.



KOS called, they want their newsletter back.
 
2007-08-01 07:09:45 PM
Dick_Hertz: What is truly embarrassing is your poor command of the English language. Oh, and your inability to grasp the concepts of Logic. Plus your having the wrong statistics. But aside from that, it is warming to know that people with double-digit I.Q.'s like you are permitted on Fark.

/I know that I've used a lot of big words, but you can get someone ho has graduated from High School to explain them to you.
// Good luck in the Special Olympics!


Indeed. Don't let the grammar-hall nazis get to you first on your rant.
 
2007-08-01 07:10:22 PM
Is there anywhere but Tim Hortons in Canada to get a donut? Sorry but I think they suck.
 
2007-08-01 07:10:37 PM
Boils down to money and weather.

Rich people are mobile. Poor people aren't. Rich people are better off in the US, so they move. Poor people are better of in Canada, but they can't move. Ta da!

Also, I'd be curious to know how many of the Canadians crossing over are retirees seeking sunshine.
 
2007-08-01 07:11:20 PM
painendstheass: the USA is more than 10 times the market size of canada, meaning there really should be about 10 times more people moving from canada to the US for jobs alone. the fact that the actual numbers of canadians moving south are so low should be deeply embarrassing to every american who honestly believes the hype about the USA being the worlds greatest nation

we are, except it might be hard to see our red faces through the crowd of 975,000 immigrants from other countries.
 
2007-08-01 07:11:45 PM
""Those who are coming have the highest level of education"
We're takin' yer Jews!
 
2007-08-01 07:11:48 PM
Sussman:
albo: The current increase appears to be fueled largely by social and political reasons, says Jedwab,

No, YOU'RE a jedwab!


WTF is wrong with JedWab? Those guys make some of the best flash political cartoons on the web.....
 
2007-08-01 07:13:02 PM
notimeforhippies: Dude, ever occur people move for reasons other then political? I'm a Canadian to US Immigrant (by birth not choice), but I didn't come here for the great US healthcare. Heck, I'm uninsured being here. My 'rents brought me here 20 years ago because they got jobs and it was easier to move, and eventually they (not I) wanted to vote. Lots of people have lots of reasons for moving.
 
2007-08-01 07:13:41 PM
hankhorsey: Also, I'd be curious to know how many of the Canadians crossing over are retirees seeking sunshine.

Huge numbers, probably.

Some people move for the weather, some for the money.

I've even seen some move bacause they hate the taxes and our health care system. Until they move back 'cause they realize that giving birth to babies cost a ton of money.
 
2007-08-01 07:14:52 PM
Just spent the weekend in Vancouver, BC visiting a friend I went to university with (Seattle). Love the people and love the city. Would definitely consider moving north. She even considered the idea of getting married to me so I could get on the fast track to citizenship.
 
2007-08-01 07:15:42 PM
StrongBrad: You have to figure in that a LOT of Canadians come to the US for good jobs that provide health coverage anyway. My company has quite a few. Free health care + lower taxes = best of both worlds.

I wonder what % of the Canadians coming to the US are hockey players (NHL, AHL, ECHL). It's small, but I bet it's not completely trivial. Maybe somebody less lazy than me can calculate.


Here's your list of Current Players. Lots of Canadians, but not all emigrated to the US, nor ever plan too, and are considerably less in number than what comes across the border each year, so I'd say it's not the NHL behind it.
 
2007-08-01 07:16:39 PM
Jamf: I was once told by a Deputy Consul-General that 75% of Canadians will have returned to Canada within 6 years of emigrating to the U.S. Does anyone know what the comparable figure might be for USAians repatriating after moving to Canada?

You mean Americans?
 
2007-08-01 07:18:58 PM
Health care costs between Canada and the U.S. come down to one simple comparison.

Canada costs: 9.9% of total national income.
U.S. costs: 15.6% of total national income.

Call it what you like, but the waiting lists aren't as bad as everyone says. Comparing no wait time for a broken arm to 10 weeks wait for Psychiatric help is one comparison, but comparing the costs of a broken arm here in the states to one in Canada is major.

/the wife's from Canada, so the last bit is direct from her experience.
// One of many websites with supporting information for the rest
///We live in America, and are deathly afraid of getting sick without insurance. No one should live like that.
 
2007-08-01 07:21:47 PM
saintstryfe: but I didn't come here for the great US healthcare

Man, you are ruining some right-wing/libertarian/every-man-for-themselves-ians ideals by saying that!

Also, you should be providing a case where you personally have died on a Canadian waiting list (say - breast augmentation, hip replacement, fixing your deviated septum, etc).
 
2007-08-01 07:21:51 PM
bartman21: Just spent the weekend in Vancouver, BC visiting a friend I went to university with (Seattle). Love the people and love the city. Would definitely consider moving north. She even considered the idea of getting married to me so I could get on the fast track to citizenship.

You need to see a bit more of Canada first. Vancouver is just Canada's version of Seattle, within a rock's throw. And if you're getting married just for the citizenship? Um.....dude......
 
2007-08-01 07:22:13 PM
Gooseycheeks: I know a girl that married a Canadian and moved to BC.

So with that anecdotal evidence in hand, I can become a journalist and write an article about, "American Women Swoon For Canadian Men; Mass Migration." Then talk about how many women are marrying Canadian men and moving north, supporting my claim only with my anecdotal evidence of 1 person.


Even better, I know two sisters that are Canadian. They both married Americans and moved to the USA. Obviously this heralds an enormous influx of hot Canadians coming down to seduce our menfolk.

/ At least that's what I'm hoping for
 
2007-08-01 07:22:36 PM
AladinSane: I realize that this was your idea of a joke, (and by that I mean it was pointless, ill-conceived, and lacked anything approaching humor) but come on.

Absurdism is a perfectly legitimate form of humor.

Go soak your shorts in vinegar!
 
2007-08-01 07:22:41 PM
hey and the US Army only accept Americans or people with green cards, WHAT ABOUT THE ONES WHO WANT TO GET AWAY FROM IT!
 
2007-08-01 07:25:12 PM
I'm hoping it is all the fundy Canadians that are moving south.
 
2007-08-01 07:26:16 PM
fanbladesaresharp: , nor ever plan too, and are considerably less in number than what comes across the border each year, so I'd say it's not the NHL behind it.

Yes, but as a hockey fan and rec. player, I would like to know how trivial. The NHL is but one league that brings Canucks across the border. There are several minor leagues, college leagues, and junior leagues in the US that are chock full of Canadians. It really could add up to like 2% or something.

I also just like making threads hockey related.
 
2007-08-01 07:28:33 PM
I feel sorry for the Canadians as it appears we are sending our liberals to them while we are receiving their entrepreneurs
 
2007-08-01 07:30:01 PM
fanbladesaresharp: What it would cost me to uproot life as it is to relocate anywhere in Canuckyland would be the equivalant to several years health insurance I'm paying now for the family. So the trade off will be years off in the future and I'm still out of money. And more taxes.

Depends. Do you have a University degree/technical skills in an in-demand field? Do you the financial resources to support yourself and your family? Because with a skills-based immigration system, you're not getting in. And if you have those things, you probably aren't poor.
 
2007-08-01 07:31:07 PM
To those who went to Canada for the free health care: FREELOADERS!
 
2007-08-01 07:31:18 PM
TDUsGamer: Health care costs between Canada and the U.S. come down to one simple comparison.

Canada costs: 9.9% of total national income.
U.S. costs: 15.6% of total national income.

Call it what you like, but the waiting lists aren't as bad as everyone says. Comparing no wait time for a broken arm to 10 weeks wait for Psychiatric help is one comparison, but comparing the costs of a broken arm here in the states to one in Canada is major.

/the wife's from Canada, so the last bit is direct from her experience.
// One of many websites with supporting information for the rest
///We live in America, and are deathly afraid of getting sick without insurance. No one should live like that.


True, but if Psychiatric help is court ordered for psychos that have sex with their students or drown their 4 kids, does that same waiting list still exist? No issue there that private uninsured health care in the US can be expensive as hell. Looking at exhibit 2 from your link, Luxembourg is curiously not far behind the US. And while comparing 1970 data to current, US costs have risen by a factor of 16. Other countries, while currently lower as overall spending goes, have seen a higher multiple. At the rate some of them are rising, given the current trend, more than a few will exceed the USA's spending in 10-20 years.
 
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