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2001-07-19 02:51:10 PM
hehe
 
2001-07-19 02:51:22 PM
Those 'analysts' are some stupid motherfarkers.

"People don't want to see movies that challenge them"

And that friends is why Hollywood cranks out crapola after crapola: because they really believe that
 
2001-07-19 02:57:01 PM
I have to admit, I was interested in the project after reading about Kubrick's involvement. The ad campaign, however, left me with no desire to see it whatsoever.
 
2001-07-19 03:02:53 PM
Now I saw it and it was VERY Kubrickian...the only reason everyone is up in arms about it is because Senor Spielbergo finally flopped. It was good, but his fans don't want to see Kubrick movies. I don't know of one of his films the did very well (Kubrick) but most were good films, at the very least they were visiually stunning.
 
2001-07-19 03:03:14 PM
I'm waiting for someone to come in here ranting about how great and challenging AI was as a film, how intelligent it was, and all that other bullshiat people have been saying since it came out. AI didn't make the money industry analysts predicted it would because its got terrible word of mouth, because its not a very good film.
 
2001-07-19 03:04:56 PM
Glad to see I'm not the only one totally thrown by the ad campaign for this movie. I couldn't figure out what the hell they wanted this movie to be, so I said the hell with it.

I'll wait for the video
 
2001-07-19 03:05:47 PM
It was a good (not great) film for most of the way, and then Spielberg ruined it with his tacked on feel good ending. It pissed me off, Kubrick would have made it so much better.
 
2001-07-19 03:06:28 PM
AI was great and challenging as a film. It was very intelligent.
 
2001-07-19 03:06:45 PM
It doesn't appeal to teenagers in today's market....

The summer moviegoer doesn't want to "work" (i.e. think)

Watch out kids...you know what that means? NEXT YEAR IT'LL BE FREDDIE PRINZE JR. MOVIES ALL SUMMER LONG!!!!!!
 
2001-07-19 03:08:16 PM
MrMe: You know how this movie had a sort of cold feel to it? Kubrick would have made ice as thick as that which froze the planet at the end of the movie. Kubrick didn't know shiat about love, and that's what this movie was supposed to be about.

Kubrick could *not* have made this movie.
 
2001-07-19 03:11:43 PM
kubrick could make any movie he wanted to. it's spielberg who's in the fukkin rut. at least he's managed to go a couple of years without making another movie about nazis.
 
2001-07-19 03:13:15 PM
And people really *don't* want to see movies that challenge them. Otherwise the term "art flick" wouldn't have the negative, marginalized connotation it does. Independant film would be the stuff breaking box-office records, not crap like Jurassic Park.

AI's flopping because it really doesn't give people what they want. There's little violence and fewer boobies. Notice how we get a lead character whose a male lover robot, but we never get any good shots of a female lover robot?
 
2001-07-19 03:13:35 PM
Yes, the movie was very Kubrickian -- that's one of the things that turned me off. I absolutely HATED 2001: A Space Odyssey simply because he ruined a good book by filling the movie with idiotic and meaningless shots! The book is simply amazing but the movie bored the ever-loving christ out of me.

Visually stunning, yes. I will admit that I absolutely loved Spartacus and Dr. Strangelove and some of the shots in A.I. took my breath away. I've attempted to watch the others, but I simply cannot. There is more to a movie than visuals -- that's something Kubrick seemed to ignore.

A.I. had some AWESOME visuals, but it was about 3 hours of my life that I have lost forever and can never get back. If it had ended like 30-40 minutes before it actually did, I would have walked away semi-satisfied. Instead, the ending was almost EXACTLY like 2001, which I make my feelings about earlier.

And By the Way...this isn't the first Spielberg movie to flop. Anyone one remember 1941?

However, saddest of all, how much you wanna bet that this movie gets a nod for best picture and best director (and probably best soundtrack, though, in truth, it deserves it -- John Williams did an awesome job).
 
2001-07-19 03:14:40 PM
http://ter.air0day.com/ai.html
 
2001-07-19 03:14:49 PM
"The original campaign didn't speak to teenagers,"

no shiat, because most teenagers are stupid. Also many didn't even notice the hidden storyline in the ads.

I guess since the majority of movie goers are idiots, we all have to suffer... like so many times things in life.

Steve had one flop before this movie.. forgot the name of it, but i think it had the guy from animal house (bluto character.. Jim something) in it.
 
2001-07-19 03:15:22 PM
Funny...I didn't go see this movie because my friends that did go said it wasn't very intelligent.
 
2001-07-19 03:15:32 PM
Thegrue: wtf are you talking about? How about Eyes Wide Shut for a Kubrick love story? AI isn't about love anyway - the last third of the movie is a bunch of cheeseball crap that Speilberg tacked onto a film that otherwise maintained a sense of Kubrick-esq cold detachment.
 
2001-07-19 03:16:11 PM
Does anyone know how much of AI was Kubrick? I heard that he had done a lot of work initially, but eventually abandoned the project before his death.
 
2001-07-19 03:19:05 PM
Dude: Kubrick could not have made this movie. Had Kubrick made it, you never would believe the kid robot's character for a second.

I'm not saying I don't like Kubrick. I'm am saying he knew his limitations, and that's why he didn't make this film, and left it for Spielberg to handle.
 
2001-07-19 03:20:47 PM
I heard rumours years ago that Kubrick had been periodically (every six months or something) filming a kid over a period of several years. He was going to use this footage as a "growth" sequence of somekind - but this project sounds quite a bit different than AI as we know it.
 
2001-07-19 03:20:59 PM
Neonjesus: Yeah. Right. If EWS was a love story then ET was a Cowboys & Indians Western. Come on, the last word of the movie was "fark." That was a movie about sex, not about love.
 
2001-07-19 03:22:41 PM
Kubrick and Spielberg actually spoke for years about making AI. Kubrick had it in his head for a long time but realized he couldn't do it justice himself. Then he saw "ET" and said, "That's the guy I want to do my movie."

According to the story I've heard.
 
2001-07-19 03:22:47 PM
Senor Spielbergo has had a couple flops. 1941, is generally considered to be a giant piece of crap, Amistad 'underperformed.' Hook is TERRIBLE.
Bashing on Hollywood for being stupid and holding up AI as some kind of genius film is so bizare to me. AI had just about the most holywood ending of any film I've ever seen, something totally out of nowhere that just ruined all the GOOD stuff that had come before it.
I don't think I'm stupid or bitter. Memento was a smart flick, why don't we talk about that one for a bit?
 
2001-07-19 03:23:42 PM
Thegrue: And people really *don't* want to see movies that challenge them. Otherwise the term "art flick" wouldn't have the negative, marginalized connotation it does. Independant film would be the stuff breaking box-office records, not crap like Jurassic Park.

We want to go to a movie to be entertained, so sue us! A.I. did NOT entertain us (or at least me and the other two people I went with) -- it bored the living hell out of most people simply because it wasn't very good. Movies that make us think do well in the box office so don't give me that crap. As for your independant films, they would succeed if anybody would simply promote it. Big movies like Jurassic Park and Star Wars have a HUGE promotion built into them and are shown on thousands of theaters nation wide while independant films do not get the same promotion and tend to be shown on a handfull of screens. And, independant films do recieve success, if they are good storylines and entertain the public (ala Clerks).

Foreign flicks fail because people hate "reading" (subtitles) (which, in my opinion is a pretty stupid reason not to watch a movie).
 
2001-07-19 03:26:25 PM
I HEAR THAT SHE'S ALL THAT, PART II IS COMING OUT NEXT SUMMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YAY!!!!!!!!!! THAT'LL BE A FUN SUMMER!!!
 
2001-07-19 03:26:39 PM
Thegrue: spielberg's characters are all cookie cutter brady bunch two dimensional singularly motivated saps. they are the hardest characters for me to believe, period.
 
2001-07-19 03:28:55 PM
TheGrue: All I'm saying is Kubrick's got his own take on love, just like any other theme he works with. FMJ isn't your average war flick, just as The Shining doesn't fall into the Hollywood horror mold. EWS is a love story...about farking.
 
2001-07-19 03:29:18 PM
Third damn post...

Hook was a GREAT FREAKIN' MOVIE! I still don't understand why most of the public pans it. It had action, adventure, and even comedy. And come on! Dustin Hoffman as Hook? Damn he was good! Besides, it was more of a young adult/kids movie. It also had a damn good sound track.

If you haven't seen it, you should.
 
2001-07-19 03:33:14 PM
TalAlpha Thank goodness I'm not the only one on the planet that actually likes that movie. It's good family entertainment--my son loves that movie.
 
2001-07-19 03:33:44 PM
Tal:

As for your independant films, they would succeed if anybody would simply promote it.

So the public is a buncha monkeys, then, taking what's spoon-fed to them? Put it within an arm's reach and that's what they grab? "Ungh. Saw a commercial for it. I'll go see that one." Kind of like the movies they go to see: explosions are easy, intelligent dialogue and deep characters are difficult.

And there's nothing wrong with being entertained or wanting to be entertained. But I think box office records probably show that more people choose to be entertained by gimmicky escapist fantasy than engaging, intelligent film.
 
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2001-07-19 03:34:38 PM
i think Haley Joe-Osmand, or whatever his name is, will get a best actor nomination

that Robot Teddy Bear kicked fine Iranian ass! cool character

and the robot ship that dissipated into a bunch of blocks was a great visual
 
2001-07-19 03:34:40 PM
Sorry, give me the dubbing on foreign films. I watched "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon" both undubbed and dubbed. I definitely missed visual details of the movie as I kept my eyes peeled on the subtitles. It is a distraction that can be dealt with but it does lessen the appeal of the film for me. Tried watching "The Kingdom" on IFC last night...watching a 5 hour long movie in its original Danish w/ English subtitles is like listening to a friggin train wreck.
 
2001-07-19 03:41:19 PM
Fishbulb,

I thought 1941 was funny as hell.
Amistad was an incredible movie, whether it underperformed or not.

But I agree, otnemeM was cool as hell. Let's talk about that for a minute. I still have quite a few questions about some of the plot devices.
 
2001-07-19 03:42:22 PM
Yes. Memento Rocked.
 
2001-07-19 03:45:40 PM
I don't want to get into a huge flamefest but here goes:

AI, in my opinion, is misunderstood. The first time I saw it I disliked it quite a bit. Hated the tacked on ending, etc. I jumped into some discussion boards and starting sharing opinions and the more I talked about it and read about it the more I understood it. I saw it again and liked it much more. It is flawed, but still a great movie.

I find it funny that everyone is getting pissed off at Spielberg for "throwing in" his sappy ending and the blue fairy. If people would research at all they would find that those plot elements were ALL Kubrick. Kubrick fought with the writer of the short story for 10 years to keep the blue fairy in.

This movie was not at all what I expected, which was why I didn't like it in the first place. But upon reflection and multiple viewing, the reasoning behind the plot, the ending, etc, fall into place quite nicely.
 
2001-07-19 03:47:01 PM
I didn't say Amistad wasnt any good, I just said it underperfomred :) I never saw it, it came out when I was working at a video store and I rented it like 15 times but never watched it, just like Swingers and like 10 other movies I can't remember at the momment.

I have questions about the plot of Memento too, but I think that was the point :)
 
2001-07-19 03:48:02 PM
DaveX. I heard Kubrick abandoned the A.I. project after his death...
 
2001-07-19 03:48:42 PM
None of MY money for these overpaid, loud-mouthed, politically-correct kneepadded fascist artists. Not one DIME.

I won't be seeing any of these movies, so long as books remain in print. One's imagination and intellect makes these movies seem quite passiove and spoon-fed. Feh!
 
2001-07-19 03:48:46 PM
jeez! everybody thought that this movie was so comfusing!! ugh, am I the only one that liked it and didnt think it was too comfusing to understand? im no braniac, hell no, but well, i dont know what else to say...
 
2001-07-19 03:50:26 PM
Who said it was "comfusing." I haven't heard that complaint from anyone. Or are you just assuming that because people didn't like it they didn't "understand" it?
 
2001-07-19 03:54:08 PM
I thought the acting in AI was great, but Spielberg DID ruin the movie. He tried to make it cute, it wasn't that kind of movie. If I had walked out of the theatere when he finally met the Blue Fairy, then it would have been a much better movie. The Robo Teddy did kick ass.
 
2001-07-19 03:57:53 PM
MrMe: That was the ending as Kubrick intended it.

My take on this movie is this. As I said, its misunderstood. I think that in time people will accept it more. Spielberg knew that this movie was going to get the type of reaction that it did, but in Kubrick's honor he kept to the plot the way he wanted it.
 
2001-07-19 03:59:06 PM
Every FARKER needs to see Memento
"You can't force someone to remember."
Lets get the questions rolling; I've been waiting for a discussion with people who've actually seen this flick.
 
2001-07-19 04:00:20 PM
Most of Kubrick's movies have performed at the box office with mediocre results...I'm glad they were conceived without ticket sales as the bottom line. And with $80M in tickets now in US, it'll surely pick up another $2M before it goes all the way out here, and easily another $20-$50 Worldwide, along with $40M or so on video. Hardly a bomb.
 
2001-07-19 04:00:54 PM
(Spoiler alert in effect, I suppose.)

Uhm, yeah, if the ending was "cute" then I'm a farking android. Did anybody else get the sense that maybe that was the most cynical ending possible? That the only time we get some real bonafide honest two-way love in the movie, is after ALL THE FUCKING HUMANS ARE GONE? Yeah, real cute, a robot kid who's spent 2000 years looking for love and it took the magic of an alien race to make a brief illusion of it possible. He never gets to be a real boy. He gets a genetically reconstructed mother who's a little disoriented from being back from the dead who lets a comment about love slip through. She'll be dead tomorrow. And he will be alone. All farking alone. Yeah. Sure. Cheers my cynical ass right up.

anyways.

Regarding thinking films doing well at the box office, I submit:

http://us.imdb.com/Charts/usatopmovies

Crocodile Dundee is #55. My faith in humanity just made like France and surrendered.
 
2001-07-19 04:03:06 PM
Thegrue: You're misrepresnting what I said. People do not go to movies because they saw a commercial, like you claim we "monkies" do. What I simply said is that Independant Films are not promoted...which means...the public doesn't know it exists! It's like an independant band -- they don't get noticed until they start getting radio time, or, in other words, they PROMOTE their music on the radio so other people can hear it. This the same concept.
 
2001-07-19 04:07:40 PM
Tal:

How easy is promotion?
 
2001-07-19 04:09:09 PM
How anyone bash such a wholesome movie as Hook is beyond me. Rufio owned, and now he freestyle raps in Sprite commercials. All because of people like you who didn't give Hook the respect it deserved.

I watched Memento the first time after drinking way too much Vodka. After about 10 minutes of trying to concentrate on backwards plot I had to leave the theater and puke. I went and threw up in the stall, and pissing at the urinal was none other than George Lucas himself. After I finished puking some guy who pissed next to him had an arguement with his friend about how that wasn't Lucas and it was Speilberg. Idiots.

Anyway, I went back into the theater and passed out. So a few weeks later I watched it again and loved it. Great farkin movie.

And the people with quesions about the Memento plot, let's discuss it. I was confused at first but I think I have a pretty good grasp of the plot.

I'm bored at work and need somethin to talk about.
 
2001-07-19 04:09:53 PM
Rberry: Read the article for monetary information.

Thegrue: You totally, completely, utterly, missed the point of the movie. The fact that you think those were aliens at the end of the movie pretty much tells me that it is a total waste of time to argue about this movie with you because you didn't even understand what was going on on-screen, much less the underlying theme behind it all.

The funny thing is, you also came very close to discovering the whole theme of the movie, but trampled all over it instead. ;)
 
2001-07-19 04:11:55 PM
"Summer moviegoers don't seem to want movies that require them to work," said analyst Martin Grove of the Hollywood Reporter.

Oh gimme a freakin' break. If anything, AI is insulting to one's intelligence. Poor characters, pointless dialogue, a ending both strained and sappy. And David never does anything, things always happen to him. He's a rather boring character.

I liked the teddy bear, though. Too bad he wasn't given any good lines.
 
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