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2007-07-30 04:03:15 PM
FlashLV: maudibjr: man, those recruiters were aggressive when I graduated HS, granted that was 15 yrs ago, but I assume they still are.

I was in ROTC in high school, I was in delayed entry for 3 years, December 14th was the day I got on the plane to go to boot camp.

December 11th I called my recruiter and told him I wasn't going.

Never heard from him again. Very pushy.


Pussy.
 
2007-07-30 04:05:37 PM
keylock71: I thought about joining the Navy after high school...

My grandfather, a WWII and Korean War vet, who was working for the Navy at Newport Naval Base at the time (late 80s) had a friend of his, who was a career naval officer (then stationed on the USS Capadonno), have a talk with me.

His Advice? Go to college for a couple of years, and after that, if you're still interested, sign up.

After a couple years of college, I really didn't think about the military anymore...probably one of the better decisions I made back in those days...


Big time pussy.
 
2007-07-30 04:06:08 PM
Space_Poet: Sure, so the fact that chickenhawk Republicans mostly never served their country gives you the right to attack the ones that did, typical.

What?

So you are saying that everyone had the same intelligence from the beginning, is that correct? And none of them have refuted their decision when faced with that fact and the outcome that has transpired? And the teensy little fact that they couldn't stop this war without risking political suicide even if the far fetched chance they could get enough Republicans to side with them and get past Bush's veto. Is that what you're saying?

Yes. And I don't care if they regretted their decision later. Fine. So stop the war now. Don't approve funding. If Bush wants to veto it, let him. Don't vote for something you don't believe in just because you think your bill won't pass.

I'm not advocating one side or another, but it seems clear as day to me who the enablers of this war really are, and it sure ain't the Dems.

Unfortunately, it is both sides of the aisle. The dems bear as much responsibility, if not more for the simple fact that they seem to know better, yet still allow the thing to continue.
 
2007-07-30 04:06:16 PM
nemecizer: maudibjr: man, those recruiters were aggressive when I graduated HS, granted that was 15 yrs ago, but I assume they still are.

I was in ROTC in high school, I was in delayed entry for 3 years, December 14th was the day I got on the plane to go to boot camp.

December 11th I called my recruiter and told him I wasn't going.

Never heard from him again. Very pushy.


Try being in boot camp at the time and getting a call from a recruiter. That happened to me.
 
2007-07-30 04:06:39 PM
pwhp_67

I had my brother and his girlfriend in town over the weekend. The talk hit politics, and I swear, if you could make a visual representation of her political views, it would be that 2nd picture.

/I found her batshiat insanity kind of funny
//Teehee!
 
2007-07-30 04:08:23 PM
Luftwaffles: I might be safer in Iraq; but please tell me where in the hell in Iraq would I be able to get a decent cheese steak? I think I'll take my chances in Philly.

Pussy with high cholesterol.
 
2007-07-30 04:09:31 PM
xtragrind: It destroyed my Dad when I turned down a scholarship from West Point to play football at another School...

Now he says it was probably the best decision I have ever made. I would have graduated just in time to fight after 9/11.


Big time frat-boy sheep-raping pussy.
 
2007-07-30 04:11:54 PM
Do you ever get the feeling the Shadow Government had Abbie Hoffman killed to have their little illegal wars with as little interuption possib----
IGNORE THE PREVIOUS. ABBIE HOFFMAN COMMITED SUICIDE BECAUSE HE FELT GUILTY ABOUT NOT SUPPORTING THE COMPLETLEY LEGITIMATE WAR IN VIET NAM. WE WOULD'NT WANT ANY ONE ELSE FEELING GUILTY AND SUICIDAL WOULD WE?
 
2007-07-30 04:13:31 PM
rat_brain_flies_plane: Cpu_thrasher: 50 trainees doing pushups in a 15'x20' room was always fun.

Turns out I had mildly flat feet that farked up my running, which farked up my knees, which farked up pretty much everything. Spent two months in physical therapy, was able to walk normally again, and was medically discharged.

I think there are supposed to be PT guidelines to follow to prevent injuries but they dole out the leadership responsibilities to some moran who doesn't realize doing stupid things with your body can incapacitate it.


It seemed to be my bad luck of the draw that I was in the 323rd TRS during Basic. It seemed like any of us in medical hold had stories like that to tell, and other trainees from other squadrons would be shocked at some of the crap we had to do. One night it was 2 hours of continous pushups, situps, flutter kicks, squat thrusts, mountain climbers, and such.

Actually had trainees crying from the pain (myself included), managed to rip open my entire upper lip by biting down so hard on it to try and fight through the pain. That managed to earn me a 5 minute break to go to the latrine and stop it from bleeding all over the floor next to my bunk.

As I said...fun times.
 
A.D
2007-07-30 04:14:28 PM
stiletto_the_wise: I love the USA, and I'd sign up for the military in a heartbeat if I thought I'd be actually be deployed in defense of my country, but I know instead I'd be used to:

1. Attack people who are no threat to the country.
2. Invade a smaller country with resources we need.
or
3. Defend US corporate interests abroad.

...just as the military has been used for the past 50 or so years. No thanks. I won't be a mercenary, and I wouldn't encourage others to become mercenaries.


Well Said
 
2007-07-30 04:15:05 PM
It's more dangerous to live in Philly than it is to serve in Iraq.

We should be like Israel and make serving mandatory. It would suck balls for it to be that way but it would be so worth it to see your average, college age, liberal Farker that thinks they have the world figured having to enlist.

/served
 
2007-07-30 04:16:47 PM
Err, that should of said One night it was 2 hours of continous pushups, situps, flutter kicks, squat thrusts, mountain climbers, and such next to our bunks before lights out.

I gotta learn to proofread better.

Really, anymore it just doesn't bother me as much. The only perminant damage I seem to have suffered is that I can't run over say a quarter-mile without my knee starting to really hurt, and that's probably due to torn cartlidge or some shiat that'll eventually grow back.
 
2007-07-30 04:17:43 PM
I have a friend who spent a year in Iraq (army infrantry). He came back farked in the head (severe PTSD). This was 3 years ago and it's destroyed his life. He can't seem to hold down a job or readjust to normal society. He almost wishes he died over there.
 
2007-07-30 04:18:07 PM
SuperDuper28: it would be so worth it to see your average, college age, liberal Farker that thinks they have the world figured having to enlist.


That was me.

And guess what now I am a 30 something liberal farker that has the world figured out. A couple months in boot and a couple of years in the military doesn't always change your way of thinking.
 
2007-07-30 04:18:11 PM
SuperDuper28: It's more dangerous to live in Philly than it is to serve in Iraq.

you're funny.
 
2007-07-30 04:18:44 PM
bluelemur.com

Bravely defended Texas and Alabama during Vietnam. Well, on paper anyways.
 
2007-07-30 04:19:40 PM
Cpu_thrasher: . One night it was 2 hours of continous pushups, situps, flutter kicks, squat thrusts, mountain climbers, and such.


Sounds like Marine Corp Boot Camp.
 
2007-07-30 04:19:48 PM
superduper28
Hi. Liberal here. Hubby's been in for about 7 years. Deployments, war zones, tears, pain, fear, deaths, etc.
You're an idiot who sure as big mama's teats don't have the world figured out.
 
2007-07-30 04:25:01 PM
Cpu_thrasher

Man, it used to bug the shiat outta me to see NCO's having their troops do stupid shiat like boots & utes runs and other "hardcore" PT that offers no real benefit and WILL result in injuries. Just because you think it looks tough doesn't mean it's useful training. Once I picked up, I put a stop to that shiat whenever I saw it.

/287 PFT
 
2007-07-30 04:26:24 PM
daveUSMC:American troops aren't fighting for "liberty" or "democracy" - they're fighting for the guys in the foxholes right next to them, and for the honor of the guys who fought in foxholes years before. Don't ever confuse a political conflict with the bigger picture of what it means to serve.

Let me get this straight...you disagree with the Iraq war, but you want to serve because you want to fight for the other guys in the foxholes next to you, who also apparently signed up for that same reason? Listen to yourself, man. That's the most asinine circular-logic crap I've ever read on Fark, and I've read a ton. So there you are, sitting in a foxhole with some other schmuck who himself is justifying his own presence there with yours. Why don't you just get some buddies together and go play paintball or something? What the fark is going on in your head?

There's nothing honorable in getting yourself into a fight that you ADMIT you think is wrong. At least the guys who were already in the service before the Iraq Conflict started have an excuse. You do not. Your reasoning appears more of a straw-grasping exercise to justify your desire to do something you know in your heart is all wrong.

Sound to me like you're the one confusing the act of serving with the bigger picture of the true nature of that service. And, I think you know it.
 
2007-07-30 04:27:51 PM
GWLush

You went through 3d Bn, huh?
 
2007-07-30 04:30:09 PM
Wise_Guy

I respect your opinion in the matter, but I think leaving now would be worse than staying. Besides, the damned truth of the matter is that we are never leaving, not after this point. You think we are just going to give back 13 permanent military bases to whoever wants it in the most vital area of the worlds biggest hot spot? This whole charade has gone so far we can not reverse course. I personally believe we stay, but we let Bush and Co. be tried for war crimes in the Hague, trust me, they want him. This would show that we were sorry for what we did, and maybe healing can begin.

We, as a people, should be ashamed at ourselves for letting it get this bad. And it will keep getting worse if we keep going in this direction. The Dem's only just recently regained a small sliver of margin in 1/3 of our government, I am not expecting a coup'de'ta in military philosophy because of it.

I tell you what though, if all 3 branches of government ever become Republican again, you all better get out while you can.
 
2007-07-30 04:31:15 PM
SuperDuper28: It would suck balls for it to be that way but it would be so worth it to see your average, college age, liberal Farker that thinks they have the world figured having to enlist.

I'd be in favor of this if it involved work inside our country on infrastructure, teaching, etc.
 
2007-07-30 04:32:44 PM
toastandjamX: fark the billions on the military. fark it, seriously.

Cpu_thrasher: rat_brain_flies_plane: Cpu_thrasher: 50 trainees doing pushups in a 15'x20' room was always fun.

Turns out I had mildly flat feet that farked up my running, which farked up my knees, which farked up pretty much everything. Spent two months in physical therapy, was able to walk normally again, and was medically discharged.

I think there are supposed to be PT guidelines to follow to prevent injuries but they dole out the leadership responsibilities to some moran who doesn't realize doing stupid things with your body can incapacitate it.

It seemed to be my bad luck of the draw that I was in the 323rd TRS during Basic. It seemed like any of us in medical hold had stories like that to tell, and other trainees from other squadrons would be shocked at some of the crap we had to do. One night it was 2 hours of continous pushups, situps, flutter kicks, squat thrusts, mountain climbers, and such.

Actually had trainees crying from the pain (myself included), managed to rip open my entire upper lip by biting down so hard on it to try and fight through the pain. That managed to earn me a 5 minute break to go to the latrine and stop it from bleeding all over the floor next to my bunk.

As I said...fun times.


They make my husband do all kinds of ridiculous stuff and its not that its physically challenging... its that is physically destructive. All the flying donkey kick push up whatever ya call ems and then the...hell-- I don't even know what half the stuff is called but he demonstrates sometimes. Looks like loads of fun!

Seems like it would be pertinent to invest in trained PT leaders who wouldn't destroy your troops.
 
2007-07-30 04:33:38 PM
TheWhoppah: pixistick: I also wouldn't call him a Chicken Hawk.

O'Rly? Here are some Toby Keith lyrics:


Justice will be served
And the battle will rage
This big dog will fight
When you rattle his cage
And you'll be sorry that you messed with
The U.S. of A.
'Cause we'll put a boot in your ass
It's the American way

Yeah, he is a chicken hawk.


He wrote one chicken-hawk song ( may be others; I don't know about 'em ). I've seen other interviews - he's pretty much yer standard apolitical Okie. That was just his reaction to 9/11. TheOnion.com baked a flag cake. It was in the air, donchaknow.

Don't matter; that was *THE* song for him, so he'll be the "Courtesy" guy from now on.

Ric Romero says: lyric writers sometimes take third-person points of view.
 
2007-07-30 04:35:15 PM
Whadya mean I have to go on active duty in a warzone? I didn't sign up in the military for THAT!!

Libs....
 
2007-07-30 04:35:46 PM
ArkyBeagle, hell, I think I heard somewhere that Toby Keith is a Democrat...
 
2007-07-30 04:36:36 PM
Plug_Nickel: GWLush

You went through 3d Bn, huh?


Yep. Plt 3114. PI.
 
2007-07-30 04:39:44 PM
antidisestablishmentarianism: I have no problem with us bombing the shiat out of afgahnistan, pakistan, or saudi arabia, but how didi iraq fit into the whole terrorist scene before we invaded?

You should ask President Clinton that for he was bombing the crap out of them long before Bush decided to end Saddam's regime five years after Clinton signed the Iraq Liberation Act.

U.S. Attacks Baghdad for Four Days During Ramadan (1998) (new window)

U.S. Drop Bombs on Southern Iraq (December 1998) (new window)

US / Britain Bomb North of Iraqi City of Mosul (November 2000) (new window)

And so forth...

Archive of U.S. Bombings, Invasions and Occupations of Iraq (new window)
 
2007-07-30 04:41:25 PM
GWLush

Man, watching you guys get massacred was the only fun I had in boot camp. Thanks for the memories, fellas. That looked like teh suck.

/1038, PI
 
2007-07-30 04:41:27 PM
pwhp_67: FlashLV: Hillary Clinton did not serve
Bill clinton did not serve
Nancy Pelosi did not serve
Barrack Obama did not serve

WTF is the point?

Um, those 4 want to bring the troops home?


umm, no they all don't.
 
2007-07-30 04:42:24 PM
nemecizer: FlashLV: maudibjr: man, those recruiters were aggressive when I graduated HS, granted that was 15 yrs ago, but I assume they still are.

I was in ROTC in high school, I was in delayed entry for 3 years, December 14th was the day I got on the plane to go to boot camp.

December 11th I called my recruiter and told him I wasn't going.

Never heard from him again. Very pushy.

Pussy.


How was I a pussy? It was 15 years ago.
 
2007-07-30 04:43:09 PM
Oznog: Bravely defended Texas and Alabama during Vietnam. Well, on paper anyways.

You have no idea what the national guard did during the Vietnam war do you?
 
2007-07-30 04:43:12 PM
Plug_Nickel

We never got to go to church with the WM's either. That was.. the suck!
 
2007-07-30 04:45:45 PM
FlashLV: Oznog: Bravely defended Texas and Alabama during Vietnam. Well, on paper anyways.

You have no idea what the national guard did during the Vietnam war do you?


He never said dick about the whole of the National Guard. You have no idea what Dubya did during the Vietnam War do you?
 
2007-07-30 04:47:51 PM
GWLush

I'd have written a senator or Oprah or... somebody. Damn...
 
2007-07-30 04:50:12 PM
Plug_Nickel: GWLush

I'd have written a senator or Oprah or... somebody. Damn...


The drill instructors kept telling us the smell of pussy would f*ck up our heads. Kind of made sense at the time. We did have an awesome Hog Board, though. Even though my pecker didn't so much as twitch during boot camp. Except for the night before graduation.
 
2007-07-30 05:01:50 PM
FlashLV: Oznog: Bravely defended Texas and Alabama during Vietnam. Well, on paper anyways.

You have no idea what the national guard did during the Vietnam war do you?


Shouldn't the question be... what did Bush do in the National Guard during the Vietnam War? I'm sure he'd like to know as well.

/wipes white powder from nose
 
2007-07-30 05:02:10 PM
GWLush

Ditto for my guy. I think it was one of the shots, but I definitely wouldn't rule out the stress as an anti-bonificating factor. You were obviously a little happier about graduating than I was, which I didn't even think was possible.
 
2007-07-30 05:03:00 PM
GWLush: FlashLV: Oznog: Bravely defended Texas and Alabama during Vietnam. Well, on paper anyways.

You have no idea what the national guard did during the Vietnam war do you?

He never said dick about the whole of the National Guard. You have no idea what Dubya did during the Vietnam War do you?


Blow. Lots of blow.
 
2007-07-30 05:03:29 PM
I wonder how many children of politicians and the rich would suddenly come out as gay if their were a fair draft imposed...
 
2007-07-30 05:04:49 PM
Plug_Nickel


Remember that shot that made it feel like a softball was in your ass cheek? Then they made you roll around on a Mat until the pain and lump went away. WTF was that?
 
2007-07-30 05:09:32 PM
GWLush

Hell, it was a half hour without a DI up your ass. I was on cloud nine, myself.
 
2007-07-30 05:12:25 PM
Plug_Nickel: GWLush

Hell, it was a half hour without a DI up your ass. I was on cloud nine, myself.


Sooo true. My favorite was firewatch. I would pretend I was in charge, in my mind and constantly flip the bird towards the directon of the DI's bunk. The little shiat you do not to go insane. Which actually sounds insane after typing it out.
 
2007-07-30 05:13:55 PM
And it was definitely NOT a pneumonia shot.
 
2007-07-30 05:15:50 PM
Points made that are worth more consideration:

1. the equipment of our military is going to be totally wasted if we have to stay in Iraq as long as they say we will. Seems General Smedley Butler has a point here...I suppose they will have to buy all new equipment, wont they?

2. PTSD does not necessarily hit immediately (although we see quite a bit of it already). Ten years from now we will have a whole generation of vets who are going to be REALLY farked to add to those that are farked right now.

And now for some additional points:

Our military is stuck. The longer they stay in Iraq, the more likely we will have more atrocities committed and more demoralized soldiers. Our military is not capable of a sustained war like this because the human psyche is not capable of being "on" like is required of our men and women.

The recent articles of interviews of service personnel (who spoke on the record as opposed to blogs) indicate a very disturbing lack of professionalism and abuse of Iraqis. This is not a good sign.

Finally, people really need to get the notion of fighting a WWII style war out of their heads. The days of massed populations being mobilized for war are long gone, folks, and barring some technological catastrophe around the world we are not going back.

Hence, there is no way in hell you can convince the majority of the population that it is a good idea to enlist.

/discuss
 
2007-07-30 05:19:45 PM
GWLush

I hear ya, man. For me, it was hour-long showers on Sunday. The other guys must've thought I was gay as hell, but it turns out the DIs very rarely fark with you in the head. You know what I mean.
 
2007-07-30 05:29:09 PM
GWLush: FlashLV: Oznog: Bravely defended Texas and Alabama during Vietnam. Well, on paper anyways.

You have no idea what the national guard did during the Vietnam war do you?

He never said dick about the whole of the National Guard. You have no idea what Dubya did during the Vietnam War do you?


Then it shows he doesn't know wtf he was talking about and neither do you. He was in training then when training was done, no more pilots were going!
 
2007-07-30 05:29:29 PM
Plug_Nickel: GWLush

I hear ya, man. For me, it was hour-long showers on Sunday. The other guys must've thought I was gay as hell, but it turns out the DIs very rarely fark with you in the head. You know what I mean.


Our's did. If you stayed in there too long the would throw shiat at you and say, "It's not cock recon in there".
 
2007-07-30 05:30:40 PM
AirForceVet
If you want to join the military, go Navy.
Three meals a day, roof over your own bed, hot showers, soap on a rope, you'll have it made.


Thanks to you, I now have 'Yvan Eht Nioj' in my head. Damn boy bands!
 
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