It's not gonna ruin the movie for me, and I'm not REALLY angry (someone post the retarded kid), so have no fear. I'll be able to sleep at night.

Oh and Two Dogs Farking, how do you know hitler's brain isn't on ice somwhere in South America? Maybe the war isn't over, just dormant, eh?

CaptainBeer: You, sir, are an asshole. Some of us haven't seen the flick yet. It's not like saying the Titanic sinks in the end.

So, how's 2006 treatin ya? Seen Back To The Future Part III yet? What other movies from the past years should we not discuss? Please enlighten us.

Oh, ho ho! You sly dog! You got me monologuing! I can't believe it...

CaptainBeer: You, sir, are an asshole. Some of us haven't seen the flick yet. It's not like saying the Titanic sinks in the end.

Hey, buddy. Did you know the girl in "The Crying Game" is really a guy? And, in "The Sixth Sense", Bruce Willis is actually dead?

It's fitting that Bond was portrayed in the early movies as being irresponsibly promiscuous and usually borderline drunk. Write what you know. Ian Fleming wrote the Bond books at his summer home in Jamaica (Goldeneye), drinking a liter of gin a day and bedding his hot younger neighbor instead of his wife. It wasn't terribly unusual in those days, especially if you were Caribbean country club wealthy, to live that way. Fleming never intended James Bond to be a role model.

I dig the new Bond. Much closer to the books. I think Daniel Craig's the best yet, truest to character, and the first Bond since Sean Connery who actually looks like he could kick your ass.

Pretty incompetent himself.

One more vote for the new Casino Royale Bond being better than all the others. Really, though, I won't give Daniel Craig credit for it, since Connery and Brosnan were perfectly wonderful Bonds that just happened to be starring in movies that weren't as good as Casino Royale.

Bond is a fool - for a real spy, watch a young Michael Caine play Harry Palmer in The Ipcress File and Funeral in Berlin.

Saborlas: What kind of secret agent tells everyone his real name? Has Bond ever actually used a cover identity?

Maybe James Bond is his cover?

CaptainBeer:



OOPS.

CaptainBeer:

Operation Market Garden is a failure. Hope you enjoy A Bridge Too Far. Oh, wait, that movie came out in 1977. I'm sorry to hear it was in your netflix queue, but really...

Saborlas: What kind of secret agent tells everyone his real name? Has Bond ever actually used a cover identity?

At first Bond used cover stories on occasion, but as his notoriety grew it became pointless. In most situations he dispenses with the cover because he knows the other intelligence services and any worthy adversaries are aware that he is a British agent and track his movements. It'd be like Paris Hilton trying to pass herself off as Jane Doe.

LegacyDL: George Smiley > James Bond

Anyone who reads would know that.

This. Although I was always partial to Alec Leamas, myself.

nopokerface: Never Say Never Again

Worstest (quasi-)Bond movie ever.

No wai, the a-rabs drooling over the white slave girl was a priceless film classic moment! And who can ever forget the 5'1" villian who likes to ... watch?

Moonraker was $$ for the scenes with JAWS IN SPACE. Didn't it also have JAWS IN RIO? Who could ever forget the winsome lass JAWS falls in love with. I forget how it ended, did they live up happily ever after or not...



Ahhh Jaws, is there nothing you can't bite through...

Two Dogs Farking: Love your work.

CaptainBeer: A Bridge Too Far (this movie proves the Caine/Hackman theory)

A winner is you!

Lois Griffin Is Hot: Saborlas: What kind of secret agent tells everyone his real name? Has Bond ever actually used a cover identity?

At first Bond used cover stories on occasion, but as his notoriety grew it became pointless. In most situations he dispenses with the cover because he knows the other intelligence services and any worthy adversaries are aware that he is a British agent and track his movements. It'd be like Paris Hilton trying to pass herself off as Jane Doe.

That was actually illustrated quite nicely in Casino Royale, iirc.

For a real spy watch Jon Voigt in The Odessa File. Oh, wait. That was a movie too.

I checked the weather report this morning and it said only partly biatchy.

CaptainBeer: Is that really the point? ... It was a spoiler, plain and simple.


Bond kills Dumbledore

TearsInTheRain: ...JAWS...

Kinda reminds me of this guy:

Beatlefreak: Threadless shirts, you gotta love them! In a perfect world, I'd prefer if someone wore the shirt and went to pay a visit to said CaptainBeer, but, this is the best I could pull at 12:52am in Sydney.

Don't let it get to you re: "sir", perhaps he just got this quarter's issue of Internet Tough Guy in the mail; I hear it has a great section on choosing which Martial Art you're supposedly a master in.

Lois Griffin Is Hot
It's fitting that Bond was portrayed in the early movies as being irresponsibly promiscuous and usually borderline drunk. Write what you know. Ian Fleming wrote the Bond books at his summer home in Jamaica (Goldeneye), drinking a liter of gin a day and bedding his hot younger neighbor instead of his wife. It wasn't terribly unusual in those days, especially if you were Caribbean country club wealthy, to live that way. Fleming never intended James Bond to be a role model.

I dig the new Bond. Much closer to the books. I think Daniel Craig's the best yet, truest to character, and the first Bond since Sean Connery who actually looks like he could kick your ass.


Agree completely, esp. your last comment. With the exception of From Russia With Love, Bond seldom came across as much of a physically "tough" character until Craig came along. But Craig took Bond to another level. That chase through the construction site at the start of Casino Royale was amazing, esp. for how many times you can see it's really Craig doing the stunts. There is a ruthlessness in Craig's eyes that has been missing from almost all Bond films (again, with the exception of FRWL) that is central to the character. Bond was never intended to be "heroic." The whole point of the double-oh license is he can kill someone to accomplish the mission. Oh, and the fight in the men's room at the start of Casino Royale is another "re-imaging" of Bond. The sheer brutality we see when Craig drowns the man in the sink is something I don't recall seeing in a Bond film (and, happily, without him uttering some insipid witicism) in a very very long time.

All that said, Goldfinger is still my second favorite Bond film because it's just a lot of fun and has, IMO, the best score of any Bond film (until Casino Royale came along). Oddjob was a great villian and Honor Blackman was ultra-hot.

Well, as a James Bond Aficionado I can tell you a few things that always seem to get overlooked about 007. Firstly, Bond is not a spy in the strictest sense. To quote 007, he more of a "licensed troubleshooter". For the most part SIS sends Bond or other Double-O agents in after the spy work is done. The Double-O agent then deals with the problem.

In the case of Auric Goldfinger, Bond had just stopped a Mexican supply of heroin destined for the UK. He had a layover in Miami where at the bar waiting for his flight back to London he was recognized by Junius Du Pont. Mr. Du Pont had sat next to Bond at Casino Royale during the Baccarat game that broke Le Chiffre. In reality, the whole Miami thing was not assigned but free time being paid for by Du Pont. Du Pont kept loosing to Goldfinger in Canasta. Du Pont suspected cheating and ask Bond to look in to it. Bond didn't know he would be running into Goldfinger on an assignment. That is the reason for his caviler attitude pool side.

I remember an interview with Ian Fleming and his original idea was that James Bond was kind of a bumbling idiot who always got lucky. So Goldfinger shows the true Bond.

nopokerface: Never Say Never Again

Worstest (quasi-)Bond movie ever.

It was awful, but I think Goleneye was even worse.

You know, for their time, all the Bond movies had their moments, but I lean towards the Brosnan movies sucking more than any other, with the sole exception of the last one; that sword fight scene alone made the movie for me, even if the rest of it was crap.

we_hates: It was awful, but I think Goldeneye was even worse.

Really? I rather enjoyed it, though being a teenager at the time probably helped, and my perception may be colored by fond memories of the N64 game. What did you object to? I thought it was lame that they never actually used the car for anything after giving it that big intro, but aside from that, I was OK with it.

thespindrifter: You know, for their time, all the Bond movies had their moments, but I lean towards the Brosnan movies sucking more than any other, with the sole exception of the last one; that sword fight scene alone made the movie for me, even if the rest of it was crap.

I agree, and think it's a shame - Brosnan was the perfect actor for Bond - I like him even better in the role than Connery (blasphemy, I know). But the Bond movies he was in utterly sucked.

Which one had Denise Richards as a nuclear physicist? THAT was the worst Bond film.

Sheesh, I thought everyone knew that about Goldfinger. The fact that the Goldfinger fails despite all of Bond's efforts to help him succeed is the point of the movie.

Fer crissake, Bond even makes a joke about it at the end ("It was nothing, really.")

Beatlefreak: Good good, it's amazing how the cretins can make us laugh. I see no reply from said underling, perhaps he just found out what happened to Bambi's mother?

Can't take credit for the pic as it isn't my own, but it's an awesome collection nevertheless. I just turned 23 so, I think 'Dallas' is a bit out of my time.

Legacy, Headless,

Harry Palmer. Hands down.

PeteVonSydney 2007-07-26 10:52:40 AM


Don't let it get to you re: "sir", perhaps he just got this quarter's issue of Internet Tough Guy in the mail; I hear it has a great section on choosing which Martial Art you're supposedly a master in.


ooh. Very dickish and rather pot like to boot.

Does anyone have a "best to worst" list of the Bond movies?

I have the DVDs sitting on the shelf, and I have only seen 6 of the movies.

Where should I start?

pjbreeze: I remember an interview with Ian Fleming and his original idea was that James Bond was kind of a bumbling idiot who always got lucky. So Goldfinger shows the true Bond.

I thought during that same interview he said he wanted to the character to grow into the bumbling idiot who got lucky. Someone who got there on talent and skill alone and then got comfortable in his position.

Hence how driven the character was in Casino Royale (book 1) and how utterly incompetent he is in Goldfinger (book 7 or 8 I think)

Spreggels: I thought it was lame that they never actually used the car for anything after giving it that big intro, but aside from that, I was OK with it.

Things like that. The car was just a commercial. The whole attempt at pc was idiotic. I didn't like the lair. It just didn't have any of the stuff you want from a bond film. I guess it would be more accurate to say Never Say Never Again was a worse movie, but Goleneye was a worse Bond movie.

I have to admit that I was very impressed with Casino Royale and Daniel Craig as Bond. I'd go so far as to say that Craig is even better than Connery but only in the sense that Connery's Bond is outdated and hokey by today's standards. I thought Craig brought a darker personality to the role and pulled it off without being cheesy. I hope he gets to keep the character role for a few more films.

As for the film itself I thought Casino Royale, plot-wise, was extremely true to the Goldfinger era Bond movies. Just outlandish enough that you don't even try to poke holes in what's believable and what's not but realistic enough that it stayed very entertaining.

And let's not forget the scene in Goldfinger where Bond rapes that chick in the stable.

I think the producer's got it right. Nobody loves perfection! A hero without weaknesses is like a tragedy without sadness. Where would Superman be without kryptonite and an ever returning Lex Luthor?

DaShredda: "REAL spies don't let themselves get captured, and they don't cause "international incidents". They don't cause multi car pileups, they don't blow up bridges, and they don't cut canoes in half with speed boats."

REAL spies get outed by a petty and vindictive presidential administration because their husbands publicly disagree with the policy of said administration.

I loved Casino Royale and thought it was the most badass Bond ever. So much grittier, and Daniel Craig and Eva Green are HOT. Maybe it's a chick thing. We appreciate beauty.

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Daniel Craig is the best Bond since Sean Connery.

THIS