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(BBC)   "Do you have to be religious to become US president?" They may not have a Romero but, dammit, they're trying   (news.bbc.co.uk) divider line 79
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2007-07-21 08:18:52 AM
I wonder if I'll ever be proud to be American.

So far, it doesn't look good.
 
2007-07-21 08:24:37 AM
Is this article implying that our current president is religious? Because that's bullshiat.
 
2007-07-21 08:29:18 AM
Isn't the Queen the official head of the Church of England?
 
2007-07-21 08:30:34 AM
submitter: "Do you have to pretend to be religious to become US president?"

FTFY.

"A tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion. Subjects are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider god-fearing and pious. On the other hand, they do less easily move against him, believing that he has the gods on his side."
--Aristotle
 
2007-07-21 08:31:06 AM
Only 45% of Americans would vote for a well qualified atheist (here). That's less than the number who would vote for a Catholic, black, Jew, woman, Hispanic, Mormon, thrice married, 72 year old, or homosexual.

Maybe an atheist could win if he were running against a 72 year old homosexual black Mormon woman.
 
2007-07-21 08:33:38 AM
We've had, what, one Catholic President? And that ended well.
 
2007-07-21 08:43:47 AM
You're a gutsy daredevil with a give-em-hell attitude and a fourth-grade education. You could've made sergeant
 
2007-07-21 08:49:43 AM
No, but you have to at least pretend. Unless you're a Jew, that's just unacceptable.
 
2007-07-21 09:00:23 AM
Well, if there's two things in this country that the rubes love, it's being scared shiatless by the boogeyman (homosexuals, terrorists, communists, atheists, abortionists, etc, take your pick) and devotion to an imaginary, all powerful god who controls everything...

Gotta play the game if you want them to support you.
 
2007-07-21 09:02:32 AM
keylock71: Well, if there's two things in this country that the rubes love, it's being scared shiatless by the boogeyman (homosexuals, terrorists, communists, atheists, abortionists, etc, take your pick) and devotion to an imaginary, all powerful god who controls everything...

...of whom they are also scared shiatless.
 
2007-07-21 09:10:39 AM
mediaho: keylock71: Well, if there's two things in this country that the rubes love, it's being scared shiatless by the boogeyman (homosexuals, terrorists, communists, atheists, abortionists, etc, take your pick) and devotion to an imaginary, all powerful god who controls everything...

...of whom they are also scared shiatless.


Because that's who and what their god tells them to be afraid of: "Be afraid of everyone else, and you might as well fear me as well, just to round things out."
 
2007-07-21 09:10:39 AM
mediaho

...of whom they are also scared shiatless

...but only in that loving "please don't condemn my soul to eternal damnation and torment for making you angry" sort of way.
 
2007-07-21 09:13:13 AM
Skwidd: No, but you have to at least pretend. Unless you're a Jew, that's just unacceptable.

Damn you. Word for word.
 
2007-07-21 09:15:47 AM
keylock71

Damn, simul-post replying to the exact same comment making fun of it in similar ways. That's gotta be one hell of an intelligently designed coincidence.
 
2007-07-21 09:19:23 AM
Kome

It's nothing short of a miracle!

I'm sending all my money to Pat Robertson this instant...
 
2007-07-21 09:48:38 AM
*sigh*

It must be hard living your life with that much fear of death looming over you all the time.

Ancient Egyptians vs. Modern Christianity:
Which group had a bigger proccupation with what happens to you when you die?
 
2007-07-21 10:23:20 AM
President George W Bush, a born-again Christian,

Wait, what? Sweet Jesus, the born-againers are the worst.
 
2007-07-21 10:31:38 AM
I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute -- where no Catholic prelate would tell the President (should he be a Catholic) how to act and no Protestant minister would tell his parishioners for whom to vote -- where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference -- and where no man is denied public office merely because his religion differs from the President who might appoint him or the people who might elect him.

I believe in an America that is officially neither Catholic, Protestant nor Jewish -- where no public official either requests or accepts instructions on public policy from the Pope, the National Council of Churches or any other ecclesiastical source -- where no religious body seeks to impose its will directly or indirectly upon the general populace or the public acts of its officials -- and where religious liberty is so indivisible that an act against one church is treated as an act against all.

For, while this year it may be a Catholic against whom the finger of suspicion is pointed, in other years it has been, and may someday be again, a Jew -- or a Quaker -- or a Unitarian -- or a Baptist. It was Virginia's harassment of Baptist preachers, for example, that led to Jefferson's statute of religious freedom. Today, I may be the victim -- but tomorrow it may be you -- until the whole fabric of our harmonious society is ripped apart at a time of great national peril.

Finally, I believe in an America where religious intolerance will someday end -- where all men and all churches are treated as equal -- where every man has the same right to attend or not to attend the church of his choice -- where there is no Catholic vote, no anti-Catholic vote, no bloc voting of any kind -- and where Catholics, Protestants and Jews, both the lay and the pastoral level, will refrain from those attitudes of disdain and division which have so often marred their works in the past, and promote instead the American ideal of brotherhood.
John F. Kennedy Address to Southern Baptist Leaders (1960) (p)
 
2007-07-21 10:47:20 AM
Oh sure, it's easy to stand out here and jump around and try and be a... wild and crazy guy. I think there's more to entertaining than that, and that's why right now, I would like to talk about what I believe.

What I believe:
I believe in rainbows, and puppy dogs and fairy tales. And I believe in the family: Mom, and Dad, and Grandma, and Uncle Todd, who waves his penis.
And I believe in 8 of the Ten Commandments, and I believe in going to church every Sunday, unless there's a game on.
And I believe that sex is one of the most beautiful, wholesome, and natural things that money can buy.
And I believe it's derogatory to refer to a woman's breasts as "boobs", "jugs", "winnebagos", or "golden bozos". And you should only refer to them as "hooters".
And I believe you should place a woman on a pedestal, high enough so you can look up her dress.
And I believe in equality, equality for everyone, no matter how stupid they are, or how much better I am than they are.
And people say I'm crazy for believing this, but I believe that robots are stealing my luggage.
And I believe I made a mistake when I bought a 30-story, one-bedroom apartment.
And I believe that the "Battle of the Network Stars" should be fought with guns.
And I believe that Ronald Reagan can make this country what it once was: an arctic region, covered with ice.
And I believe the United States should accept all foreigners in this country, provided they can speak our native language: Apache.
And lastly, I believe that of all the evils on this earth, there is nothing worse than the music you are listening to right now.

-Steve Martin
 
2007-07-21 10:56:48 AM
I believe Steve Martin and Jack Kennedy both had uncles who waved their penis.
 
2007-07-21 11:23:03 AM
TheOther: Isn't the Queen the official head of the Church of England?

Even if that's true, the only association the queen has with her government is the fat check she gets from them every month.
 
2007-07-21 11:30:25 AM
mediaho: keylock71mediaho: keylock71: Well, if there's two things in this country that the rubes love, it's being scared shiatless by the boogeyman (homosexuals, terrorists, communists, atheists, abortionists, etc, take your pick) and devotion to an imaginary, all powerful god who controls everything...

...of whom they are also scared shiatless.


I never understood the term "God fearing"

Why would a good person need to fear a good God?
 
2007-07-21 11:40:12 AM
thankfully, most of the religious folk in america don't believe the dems when they lie to them about religion. that and obama blew his chance with them last week.
 
2007-07-21 11:43:02 AM
Desterion: thankfully, most of the religious folk in america don't believe the dems when they lie to them about religion.

Agreed 100%. They sure do eat up the lies from the other side of the aisle, though. How can they see through one set of lies and not the other, I wonder?
 
2007-07-21 11:43:38 AM
Desterion: thankfully, most of the religious folk in america don't believe the dems when they lie to them about religion.

They do believe the Republicans, though.
 
2007-07-21 11:47:42 AM
...and by "religious," I mean "Christian."
 
2007-07-21 11:47:53 AM
God forgive me for this, but I am proud to be an atheist.

/Atheist = Agnostic with the courage of convictions.
 
2007-07-21 12:13:25 PM
ATHEIST = absolute dogma,"there is NO god(s) period"


AGNOSTIC = "I have no way of knowing or proving/disproving and neither do you"
 
2007-07-21 12:16:38 PM
Oh good. Another thread so non-atheists can say with absolute authority what atheism is and we can all get side-tracked by how wrong they are while they post dictionary.com definitions to show how right they are.
 
2007-07-21 12:17:37 PM
craigdamage: ATHEIST = absolute dogma,"there is NO god(s) period"

I realize that many people have difficulty understanding a life without religious faith or dogma, but that's usually what atheism is. No more, no less, no faith involved.
 
2007-07-21 12:20:30 PM
And yes, that was a reply to craigdamage's worthless nonsense above.

And as a non-Christian, I can say with absolute authority that Christians are people who believe in the literal, historical record of Old Testament stories and if you don't believe me, I'll point to some websites by Christians who say this.

Comes off as really ignorant, doesn't it?
 
2007-07-21 12:24:44 PM
Desterion: thankfully, most of the religious folk in america don't believe the dems when they lie to them about religion. that and obama blew his chance with them last week.

What the hell are you going on about? Did Obama come out and say that he doesn't believe in transubstantiation or something?
 
2007-07-21 12:24:45 PM
mediaho

I had been sorta wondering if mainstreaming the term 'antitheist' might clear that up just a little bit. Thoughts?
 
2007-07-21 12:25:42 PM
Skwidd Unless you're a Jew, that's just unacceptable.

Joe Lieberman and the 2000 presidential elections would like to have a word with you.
 
2007-07-21 12:31:39 PM
The U.S. president doesn't have to believe in God to hold the office. Nor do we have a state religion.

The prime minister of the U.K., however, cannot be a Catholic, and neither can the monarch. Who heads the state religion.

Yet, we're the primitive religious fanatics.

/suck it, hypocritical Brits
 
2007-07-21 12:34:12 PM
c7hu1hu fh746n: I had been sorta wondering if mainstreaming the term 'antitheist' might clear that up just a little bit. Thoughts?

Personally, I like the term "non-religious".
 
2007-07-21 12:35:37 PM
c7hu1hu fh746n: I had been sorta wondering if mainstreaming the term 'antitheist' might clear that up just a little bit. Thoughts?

It's not about misunderstanding anymore. At best, it's an attempt to derail the discussion. More likely, it's willfully trying to spread disinformation. It's an attempt to change the language like they're trying to do with the word "liberal" - use emotion to make it seem like a threat.
 
2007-07-21 12:36:11 PM
I read SardonicAvenger's comment as "hypothetical brits" and was quite amused. My first thought was "No, there really are people still living in England, they're not hypothetical".
 
2007-07-21 12:38:27 PM
mediaho
I believe Steve Martin and Jack Kennedy both had uncles who waved their penis.

Yeah, but who doesn't?
 
2007-07-21 12:38:54 PM
Wabash: Me too. Just thought it might help to break it down more.

mediaho: Makes sense. I've heard some really weird assumptions about atheists.
 
2007-07-21 12:40:09 PM
Desterion
thankfully, most of the religious folk in america don't believe the dems when they lie to them about religion. that and obama blew his chance with them last week.

Yeah, but unfortunately the hayseeds swallow it hook, line, and sinker when the Republicans feed that bullshiat to them...
 
2007-07-21 12:41:30 PM
Skwidd: Unless you're a Jew, that's just unacceptable.
underbridge: Joe Lieberman and the 2000 presidential elections would like to have a word with you.

Remember who won that election? Lieberman probably cost Gore more votes than Nader did.

/Cue the moonbat libtards whining about Bush "stealing" the election
//You'll get over it
 
2007-07-21 12:57:46 PM
c7hu1hu fh746n: Makes sense. I've heard some really weird assumptions about atheists.

I hate the whole "Atheists are just mad at God" meme. Those people need to STFU.
 
2007-07-21 12:59:48 PM
Wabash

That one always makes me laugh.
 
2007-07-21 01:25:33 PM
c7hu1hu fh746n:

I had been sorta wondering if mainstreaming the term 'antitheist' might clear that up just a little bit. Thoughts?

Most anti-theists only rail against the Abrahamic religions. Describe Buddhism, Taoism, or many of the other religions that lack a "Do as I say or suffer for eternity" clause and their usual response is "Cool."
 
2007-07-21 01:38:51 PM
I think Lieberman lost Gore the election but it had less to do with him being Jewish and more to do with him hedging his bets. Had there ever been a presidential or vice presidential candidate before 2000 that didn't resign their current political role in order to dedicate theirself to campaign? It used to be courtesy as I recall.

/You'll never see a Unitarian President.
//Amazed that we've had Quaker Presidents.
 
2007-07-21 02:02:45 PM
Murkanen:

Also probably a backlash against attempts to make laws based on said 'Do as I say" religions, I would imagine.
 
2007-07-21 02:04:52 PM
Murkanen: Describe Buddhism, Taoism, or many of the other religions that lack a "Do as I say or suffer for eternity" clause and their usual response is "Cool."

Your argument would have been valid if you hadn't chosen 2 non-theistic religions.
 
2007-07-21 02:41:04 PM
Murkanen
Most anti-theists only rail against the Abrahamic religions. Describe Buddhism, Taoism, or many of the other religions that lack a "Do as I say or suffer for eternity" clause and their usual response is "Cool."

What's cool about those religions is they aren't really theistic. And if they are, they're generally polytheistic and don't involve a personal god.
 
2007-07-21 02:43:46 PM
A majority of people on Earth believe in 'god'.

You can always leave if you have a problem with that.
 
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