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2007-07-20 09:53:06 PM  
Prospero424

When people say "truth has a liberal bias", I take it as a jab at American conservatism, not really as a comment on "reality" itself.

Nope, it's from an episode of the Colbert Report. Of course, what you described was exactly what it was used as, but that's not the reason we use it. You give us Farkers too much credit.
 
2007-07-20 09:58:23 PM  
Wabash: "$420 million/year averages out to a little over a dollar/person to make educational programming available to everyone. That seems like a pretty good investment to me."

I can make the idea of you eating my shiat palatable to a lot of people if I just break the so-called proposition down into the smallest, least objectionable form. That doesn't make my poop into your tasty dream, anymore than making out NPR/PBS as "educational" or a "good investment" for "everyone".

And btw, I heartily favor the long-overdue break-up of one of the most insidious trusts in this country today....Big Media.

It's way too much power in the hands of a few people and their dimestore politicians who live in their pockets.

Teddy Roosevelt, where arrrreeeeee you?
 
2007-07-20 10:01:29 PM  
You and atillathepun have done a fine job proving my point that there are people who believe that the only powers that the Fed can't exercise are those that violate a constitutional amendment. It doesn't work that way.

This is not a troll. Please explain to me how this:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Allows the FCC to penalize a radio station for WHATEVER howard stern said?
 
2007-07-20 10:05:03 PM  
jbar19: Libs look to NPR as their only defense against right wing radio.


I listen to NPR because they actually take the time to report stories in depth without a bunch of cheap political posturing.

Liberalism and intelligence go hand in hand. There's a reason why liberals are running the universities and conservatives are running the televangelism industry.

I listen to NPR and watch PBS because I'm intelligent and they're intelligent. That's it.
 
2007-07-20 10:15:12 PM  
Reality attained a liberal bias around the time that conservatives decided that "science is an evil liberal conspiracy to undermine god." Of course, I can't prove this since "all science is a liberal conspiracy to undermine god" and consequently "evidence" is a tool of satan unless it says what conservatives want it to say.

Look at that, I can stereotype too!
 
2007-07-20 10:18:32 PM  
News has a liberal-bias only in the sense that many of today's neo-"conservatives" choose not live in the world of reality. In that sense, Colbert was dead-on: reality does have a "well known liberal bias", if only because the conservatives have abandoned it.
 
2007-07-20 10:19:04 PM  
stryker4526: Nope, it's from an episode of the Colbert Report. Of course, what you described was exactly what it was used as, but that's not the reason we use it. You give us Farkers too much credit.

Hehehehehe. I hadn't thought of that; maybe he did actually popularize the saying. He wasn't the first to say it, but I guess he did get others saying it.
 
2007-07-20 10:37:58 PM  
How about some of those Sesame Street merchandising dollars? I'm sure Comrade Elmo wouldn't mind if his good fortune was spread amongst the masses.....


NPR=Schweatty balls!
 
2007-07-20 10:38:00 PM  
I'm just waiting for Big Bird to espouse the benefits of unified healthcare for all.

vinzago: I listen to NPR because they actually take the time to report stories in depth without a bunch of cheap political posturing.

This
 
2007-07-20 10:44:10 PM  
Anecdotal proof of NPR's Bias in this persons post:

dadio86 Quote 2007-07-20 03:38:17 PM
I work for NPR. We are not liberal, we report the truth. The truth casts conservatives in a bad light. They are not good people, and their ideals negatively impact the greater whole of the population. You cannot deny that eliminating social programs creates a void that will be filled - either by midnight basketball - or gangs. NPR doesn't make conservatives look bad, conservatives make conservatives look bad. Iraq is no exaggeration.


Sounds like fair and balanced to me. I guess the blanket statement of "The truth casts conservatives in a bad light" kind of sums up the liberal bias.

The general Mainstream Media liberal bias is now in what the media chooses to report on and what they choose to ignore.

Bias by omission.
Example #1: Everyone hears of Bush's low approval rating. Seems that the Democrat Congress approval rating is the lowest of any Congress since measurements began and roughly 1/2 of Bush's approval rating. But this is largely ignored by the Mainstream media.

Libs seem to bury their head in the sand and only come up to attack.
 
2007-07-20 10:44:28 PM  
The government should fund no form of media. Period. Discussion over.
 
2007-07-20 10:48:20 PM  
Hooray! It is essential that PBS and NPR continue to receive tax funding. For the following reasons:

1. I can continue to receive (at public expense)my coded messages to undermine the very source of that revenue. (Free Market Forces?)

2. My subliminal programming is reinforced. Thus allowing me to be happy that "we" have already won and can enjoy watching the death throes of of antidisestablishmentatarism.

/right brain paranoia... maybe it is a neo-con plot to make me think I'm free thinking. I think!?

// spliff time!
 
2007-07-20 10:51:02 PM  
level.eleven: The government should fund no form of media. Period. Discussion over.

You decide when discussions are over? .... LOL!

Hello Dubya... have I got news for you.... Ha Ha Ha Ha
 
2007-07-20 10:55:57 PM  
The government should fund no form of media. Period.

still applies...
 
2007-07-20 10:57:22 PM  
JabbaTheButt: Yeah, it sucks that NPR reports the truth about conservatives. God forbid people know what a bunch of farking hypocrites they are.

Speaking of burying your head in the sand, why don't you go back to watching Fox News, where they omit reporting the truth about what's happening in Iraq.
 
2007-07-20 10:58:35 PM  
JabbaTheButt:

Libs seem to bury their head in the sand and only come up to attack.


Cons come in the sand and give head in the attack.
 
2007-07-20 11:07:07 PM  
Proof positive! God is not a liberal.

I am marked!

I have post 666 in the thread.
 
2007-07-20 11:15:30 PM  
weblogs.elearning.ubc.ca

Circa 1930's Germany!

Has someone photo-shopped the mustache out?
 
2007-07-20 11:23:28 PM  
Prospero424 2007-07-20 09:38:38 PM

They see anything that doesn't tell them what they want to hear as "liberal bias".

-------------------------------------


So how do you explain us non neocon, fiscal conservative folks who aren't offended by minorities and our belief that NPR and PBS are left leaning? The answer is a little simpler. Perhaps some of us feel NPR has a left bias because of their attempt to hire a convicted cop killer on death row to report the news for them?
 
2007-07-20 11:33:12 PM  
Reality only has a liberal bias in that those who think reality has a liberal bias refuse to admit anything as reality that contradicts their bias.

IOW, Yeah, when you live inside your own deluded little fantasy world, everything agrees with you.

Reality has no bias, sometimes the right is full of shiat, and sometimes the left is. Proof that they both are liars is evident in the number of the right who call themselves conservative, and the number of the left who call themselves liberal.
 
2007-07-20 11:34:26 PM  
Human decency has a liberal bias.
 
2007-07-20 11:36:19 PM  
Partisanship in the US is like having a favorite sports team and having loyalty to that team

Both political parties are basically the same thing

Once you can admit that, it's much easier to look at the people and their characters instead of being unconditional loyalists who look for the (R) or (D) before stating their opinion

some people vote for their religion ffs.

the stupider and more distracted the electorate, the better it is for con artists to use the government to enrich themselves
 
2007-07-20 11:36:29 PM  
JabbaTheButt: Sounds like fair and balanced to me. I guess the blanket statement of "The truth casts conservatives in a bad light" kind of sums up the liberal bias.

If the Fark poster you're referring to has any editorial control over his local station, you might have a point. Since there's nothing suggesting that to be true, you don't.

Bias by omission.
Example #1: Everyone hears of Bush's low approval rating. Seems that the Democrat Congress approval rating is the lowest of any Congress since measurements began and roughly 1/2 of Bush's approval rating. But this is largely ignored by the Mainstream media.


No, I hear it all the time, in the dreaded "MSM" and elsewhere. What you seem to forget, however, is that the approval rating does not refer only to the Democrats in Congress, but to the House as a whole. This includes the "other party", regardless of whichever party the individual being asked is affiliated with. Pretty much any voter could have a negative opinion of Congress, easily for the opposite reasons that another voter does.

I think many people can understand that distinction. Can you?

If not, that would explain your dismissal of thoughtful analysis as "liberal".
 
2007-07-20 11:44:49 PM  
keithgabryelski: [...] the truth leans left. Not a lot. Not whackjob crazy meat is murder/guns kill children/rubber sidewalks for safety left. Just a little left.

I challenge anyone to prove this.


Well, here's something to consider: One single generation ago, Martin Luther King, Jr. was considered such a anti-American radical that the FBI investigated him as a Communist agitator. Today, his birthday is a national holiday, when even George W. Bush will read speeches about how noble and self-evident his philosophy was.

That ought to suggest something.
 
2007-07-20 11:47:42 PM  
I love NPR.

NPR is left leaning.

I lean more to the right.

/...therefore one can have a centrist belief system yet understand that something else is leftist. That is okay. It is not okay to fund an exclusively liberal agenda with public funds. NPR is not exclusively liberal although it does tend more to the left than center. Very seldom does it go to the right.
//You're doing a hellava job there Bushie. Once again you have your finger on the pulse of America.
 
2007-07-20 11:47:50 PM  
punistation.fuyucorp.biz

Oh noes! The L word!
 
2007-07-20 11:48:40 PM  
One of the few things government invests in that is worth while.

Go PBS/NPR.
 
2007-07-20 11:51:38 PM  
If you think you should be able to have sex with hookers, do meth and then legislate and preach against it then you're a l.... wait a minute...
 
2007-07-20 11:54:51 PM  
Albert: Perhaps some of us feel NPR has a left bias because of their attempt to hire a convicted cop killer on death row to report the news for them?

Bull.

That's just an excuse and you know it. You'd feel the exact (or at least pretty close) same way about PBS and NPR if that had never even happened.

Tell me I'm wrong. Go ahead.

BTW, I wasn't condemning people who simply feel that NPR "leans left", I specifically singled out those who "despise" them.
 
F42
2007-07-20 11:56:49 PM  
delyteher: Circa 1930's Germany!

Lame godwin, his hand isn't even extended in a salute.
Fail.
 
2007-07-20 11:57:53 PM  
NPR is the only place I have ever heard anything I ever considered positive about Iraq. They had one of the Generals on about a year ago, and he re-kindled my faith that even if the Commander In Chief and his "advisers" are completely lost in La La Land, our military leaders are competent and looking out, as best they can, for our boys and girls.

Of course this was a year ago, so this guy probably has been fired by now and replaced buy Harriet Meirs or John Poindexter's caddy.
 
2007-07-20 11:59:41 PM  
Democrat controlled Congress can't find liberal bias in PBS and NPR. Meanwhile, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, smile in unison.
 
2007-07-21 12:02:05 AM  
And BTW, Jamal is suing NPR not only because they refused to hire him, but because he (and others) feel that the stories that NPR ran on his case deliberately favored the prosecutor's point of view.

But yeah, just keep thinking they're a bunch of hippie pinkos. I know you will regardless of the facts.
 
2007-07-21 12:06:24 AM  
JQPublic: Democrat controlled Congress can't find liberal bias in PBS and NPR.


Again, for the remedial students:

357-72 was the vote.

Care to tell the class how 357 Democrats got into our Congress?
 
2007-07-21 12:08:38 AM  
Jeebus, I can't believe I've been with this thread for so long.

I have no life. :(

/friends are just busy
//so bored...
 
2007-07-21 12:26:04 AM  
netcentric: The government should fund no form of media. Period.

still applies...


Government funded and operated media = Bad

Government funded and independently operated media = Good

It is telling that when countries have state funded independent broadcasting services, the state funded independent are often more critical than the commercial media.
 
2007-07-21 12:41:55 AM  
Come on you guys, what's wrong with you all? There is far too much rationality in this thread.

i4.photobucket.com
 
2007-07-21 12:43:16 AM  
HansensDisease: We should charge broadcast stations a percentage of their annual revenue for the privilege of using the radio spectrum. That money should be earmarked for public service broadcasting.

That is a great idea considering they are meant to be used for "the public good"
That would mean no more drives, and no whining on either side about tax dollars being wasted.
Plus it sure as hell won't make a dent in the survivability of the majors considering the corporations that own them.

Only problem I can really see is the law suits mainly over "change in contract terms" I don't know how often they have to renew, but if it is put in the contract you will get some biatching and moaning but they are not going to say no and walk away
 
2007-07-21 12:48:45 AM  
Sorry, but PBS, especially the Newshour, is by far the LEAST biased source of information on TV. Noboby else even bothers, but they bend over backwards to present all sides of an issue.

And I don't understand why so many people have a problem with government funding of media, yet see nothing wrong with media conglomerates buying off the government.
 
2007-07-21 12:58:45 AM  
Hey... give liberals a fighting chance. If they didn't get a federally funded broadcast then how could they possibly afford to broadcast to such few listeners?

Conservative talk-shows air on almost every other channel, however. Hmm...... MAJORITY RULES. WAH.
 
2007-07-21 01:04:30 AM  
d3crypt: Hey... give liberals a fighting chance. If they didn't get a federally funded broadcast then how could they possibly afford to broadcast to such few listeners?

Is it just me or is the quality of conservative trolling really slipping these days? Sheesh.

2 out of 10. And thats because i'm being generous.
 
2007-07-21 01:08:31 AM  
d3crypt: Hey... give liberals a fighting chance. If they didn't get a federally funded broadcast then how could they possibly afford to broadcast to such few listeners?

Conservative talk-shows air on almost every other channel, however. Hmm...... MAJORITY MONEY RULES. WAH.


FTFY

/feeding the troll, I know
// .5/10
///had to make up for SilentStrider
 
2007-07-21 01:19:33 AM  
It is very discouraging to see how few of you know the basics of the constitution. The powers of the federal government are listed in it, everything else is left up to the states. This is BASIC stuff, folks, if you don't know this, please move to another country or read a freakin book.
 
2007-07-21 01:42:35 AM  
Some things on NPR are pretty liberally biased, but overall it's just good news, reporting, and variety. Little stories and bits on what's going on in the world. When I take off my headphones at work from NPR, I'm confronted with the radio likes of Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, and Rush Limbaugh.

The absolute absurdity of their programs makes NPR's liberal bias look very small indeed. All Rush and Sean do is make straw man attacks against "LIBRALS!" Most of Bill's talking points are just covering Bush's ass and making apologetics arguments for the Republican party.

NPR does have some shows that just piss me off though. Fresh Air needs to be canned, that show is just leftist trash. No facts, just contrarians foaming at the mouth. Wait Wait! Don't Tell Me! is liberal, but it's a comedy show and I think it's hilarious.
 
2007-07-21 01:58:07 AM  
The enumerated powers are a list of specific responsibilities found in Article 1 Section 8 of the United States Constitution, which enumerate the authority granted to the United States Congress. Congress may exercise only those powers that are stated in the Constitution, limited by the Bill of Rights and the other protections found in the Constitutional text.

The classical statement of a government of enumerated powers is that by Chief Justice Marshall in McCulloch v. Maryland:

This government is acknowledged by all, to be one of enumerated powers. The principle, that it can exercise only the powers granted to it, would seem too apparent, to have required to be enforced by all those arguments, which its enlightened friends, while it was depending before the people, found it necessary to urge; that principle is now universally admitted.
 
2007-07-21 02:06:11 AM  
PBS and NPR present a reality-based world-view.

Unfortunately for some retarded conservatives, this is seen as "liberal."
 
2007-07-21 02:37:59 AM  
giftedmadness: It is very discouraging to see how few of you know the basics of the constitution. The powers of the federal government are listed in it, everything else is left up to the states. This is BASIC stuff, folks, if you don't know this, please move to another country or read a freakin book.

My knowledge of the Constitution goes WAY beyond the basics, and I can honestly say that you are one PARANOID Muh-Fugga !!!

I hope you were wearing your helmet when you posted that, and I also hope you get back on your meds.
 
2007-07-21 02:40:26 AM  
Hey stryker4526, good to see ya from the Hummer thread, read aboot halfway through thread and then had to stop but found the discussion around Jake Steed: NPR is left leaning. Don't kid yourselves.

I'm conservative and I don't care either way what with car talk and some other great programs. I take it for what it's worth and I send them $50 bucks here and there.

The sun comes up, the sun guys down, and NPR is left leaning, you'd have to be a moran not to realize this.
post.

Dunno if it was mentioned later on, but
If Mr. Steed is Right leaning, and
If NPR is as Unbiased and Centrist as possible (as You and isupport)
Then Wouldn't NPR apear to be Leftist to Jake Steed?

/(Glad to see you and J5ter (sp.) come to an understanding in prev. thread

//DAMN, after typing this whole thing i remebered the Joy that is ctrl+F and found Mercutio74: Jake Steed: The sun comes up, the sun guys down, and NPR is left leaning, you'd have to be a moran not to realize this

Or you would have to mistakenly view your own rightist stance as centrist. In the US it could be said that NPR is left-ish. Pretty much anywhere you go else in the industrialized world it's generally right down the line.


Ah well serves me for not reading further.
 
2007-07-21 03:00:35 AM  
SemperLieSuckah: NPR does have some shows that just piss me off though. Fresh Air needs to be canned, that show is just leftist trash. No facts, just contrarians foaming at the mouth.

Are we talking about the same show? I've heard dozens of conservatives interviewed on Fresh Air, and Terry Gross always seems remarkably even handed. Yeah, her questions do become more pointed and critical when dealing with Right-Wing Fundamentalists, for example, but I can't imagine what you're referring to as "foaming at the mouth."

Compared to O'reilly? Hannity? That's delusional.
 
2007-07-21 03:12:12 AM  
Are you telling me that these radio stations are in favor of more government control when they get their funding from the government?

You don't say...
 
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