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2007-07-20 04:00:13 PM
CPB funding pays for only a small portion of a typical PBS affiliate station's expenses (especially if said station is a small operation); hence the seemingly never-ending pledge drives.

As for conservatives' complaints that PBS doesn't have enough right-wing programming, the Journal Editorial Report (featuring Paul Gigot) and Tucker Carlson: Unfiltered debuted a couple of years ago promptly died due to very low ratings.

susieloveselvisp: PBS nor the CPB owns Sesame Street; it is owned by Sesame Workshop. PBS pays SW for the rights to broadcast the program; the cost is then passed on to the affiliates.

I'll never understand why conservatives complain about a few hundred million $$ being spent on public television when BILLIONS of taxpayer $$ are being wasted on an unnecessary war.
 
2007-07-20 04:00:22 PM
XaqFixx:
Right On. I like the whipped cream and catnip option much better than offing myself.


Cool. I want you around too. Not too many people appreciate the aforementioned combination of pleasures. And besides, I need all of the taxpayers that I can get so that they don't take away Car Talk : )
 
2007-07-20 04:00:44 PM
WayneKerr: I think that you bumped your head, or you OD'd on SwitchiO's this morning.

It's comments like this that spur the notion that I am one of only about 10 actual, real, flesh-and-blood people posting on Fark. It's as if I got a glimpse behind the curtain at a giant puppet show, with largely the same emotional effect. Shock and Disappointment.
 
2007-07-20 04:01:12 PM
Okay, anarcho-capitalist right-wing nutters, listen up, cause I'm only gonna say this once:

The Constitution:

We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Federalist No. 30:

Money is, with propriety, considered as the vital principle of the body politic; as that which sustains its life and motion, and enables it to perform its most essential functions. A complete power, therefore, to procure a regular and adequate supply of it, as far as the resources of the community will permit, may be regarded as an indispensable ingredient in every constitution. From a deficiency in this particular, one of two evils must ensue; either the people must be subjected to continual plunder, as a substitute for a more eligible mode of supplying the public wants, or the government must sink into a fatal atrophy, and, in a short course of time, perish.

Ibid.:

How is it possible that a government half supplied and always necessitous, can fulfill the purposes of its institution, can provide for the security, advance the prosperity, or support the reputation of the commonwealth? How can it ever possess either energy or stability, dignity or credit, confidence at home or respectability abroad? How can its administration be any thing else than a succession of expedients temporizing, impotent, disgraceful? How will it be able to avoid a frequent sacrifice of its engagements to immediate necessity? How can it undertake or execute any liberal or enlarged plans of public good?

Your anarcho-capitalist/plutocratic fantasies have basis neither in reality nor American tradition. The authors of the Constitution of this country expressly opposed your imbecilic, greedy, grabbing, and small-minded ideas. "Drowning the government in the bathtub" was rightfully seen as evil and abhorrent. Taxation for the purpose of promoting the public interest and "enlarged plans of public good" was rightfully seen as good and right.

In short: Yes, the government can pay for NPR. The government can also pay for health care, the police, and the Interstate system. You have no basis to object. You are wrong. Be silent.
 
2007-07-20 04:01:37 PM
Mr_Fabulous: Both PBS and NPR air quality programming that would not see (or hear?) the light of day otherwise. Not everything has to be about making money.

Bullshiat. NPR and PBS could easily survive without being subsidized. They're called commercials. And if they can't it means not enough people watch/listen to justify them continuing.
 
2007-07-20 04:01:46 PM
I work for an NPR station, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

No, seriously. It's more of an affiliate station, but we play a few of their shows. Luckily, the GM here is pretty cool and let's me play my own music on my workstation. It's LAUNCHcast, but it's better than the Vivaldi/Fresh Air/Marketplace combination I'd have to bear otherwise.
 
2007-07-20 04:03:28 PM
Oh thank god.

I think we should have a public television system like Canada's. Every group given (mandatory!) equal representation.

/and yes, i would gladly pay the taxes for it
//even though i don't watch tv
 
2007-07-20 04:03:38 PM
We should charge broadcast stations a percentage of their annual revenue for the privilege of using the radio spectrum. That money should be earmarked for public service broadcasting.
 
2007-07-20 04:03:48 PM
Ochiba: rppp01a: I take it you were agreeing with me. I like that about you.

Thanks. And yes. I love NPR and do watch PBS here and there- I loved it as a kid and my kids love it.
 
2007-07-20 04:04:31 PM
A Dark Evil Omen: In short: Yes, the government can pay for NPR. The government can also pay for health care, the police, and the Interstate system. You have no basis to object. You are wrong.

this
 
2007-07-20 04:04:31 PM
WayneKerr:

Sunny Ray: NPR appeals to the intellectual emotional and the rational irrational, that is why Republicans do not like it.

I think that you bumped your head, or you OD'd on SwitchiO's this morning.


Whew....you're right. Fixed it, though. Thanks, that was scary.
 
2007-07-20 04:04:32 PM
Bad Spellir, WayneKerr:
/The light you see is a street lamp


Speaking of Faith, also
I personally can't stand it, but if religious programming is your bag, baby...

/definitely a streetlight
//FSM told me so
 
2007-07-20 04:04:32 PM
My only problem is the guy who was pocketing cash for sales of DVD versions of the nature show on PBS. The asshat couldn't profit on the TV show itself, but the rules never said anything about other mediums.

1: Take taxpayer money to make a show
2: Put show on TV
3: Make DVD of show which you advertise on TV
4: Profit!


Jerk!
 
2007-07-20 04:05:00 PM
I usually dont get involved in liberal/conservative flamewars, but if you cannot admit that NPR is HEAVILY biased towards libralism, you are either deaf, stupid, or mentally retarded.

It's pronounced "rash-n-ull".

Every time I challenge someone to show me a liberal bias in NPR, they all shy away, and nobody will face me head-on, because they know they will lose.

Now either step up and prove it, or go sit in the corner and suck your thumb with everyone else.
 
2007-07-20 04:05:27 PM
Arnold T Pants: And if they can't it means not enough people watch/listen to justify them continuing.

Schools don't make money either, but we keep them around for a reason. The Army doesn't make money either, but we keep it around for a reason.

Quit whining. If I have to pay for the Iraq War, then you can pay for CPB. You're getting a bargain, I'm paying more than 10X as much for a fiasco while you're getting quality educational and news programming.
 
2007-07-20 04:05:32 PM
MrSeabass: This sounds very familiar. (video w/ Mr. Rogers)

Great video, made even this Internet Tough Guy tear up.
 
2007-07-20 04:05:48 PM
Cowboy Spencer: reversibleSummerAssHat: NPR - Clearly a Leftist propaganda tool!

9/10. You had me going there for a minute.


I know, I thought he was serious for a second, too.

/8/10 from me
 
2007-07-20 04:06:36 PM
1971 PBS bumper (new window) for your enjoyment.
 
2007-07-20 04:06:52 PM
Arnold T Pants: Mr_Fabulous: Both PBS and NPR air quality programming that would not see (or hear?) the light of day otherwise. Not everything has to be about making money.

Bullshiat. NPR and PBS could easily survive without being subsidized. They're called commercials. And if they can't it means not enough people watch/listen to justify them continuing.




Then you'll be contacting your congressman to defund the FCC, right?

If it can't make it from the billions the broadcast TV and radio make or license fees, then we shouldn't subsidize it.
 
2007-07-20 04:06:53 PM
Well, I for one am completely overwhelmed by all the evidence people have been posting about how biased PBS and NPR are.

I mean it really is difficult to reject such a thoughtful argument, especially when it cites such well researched facts.
 
2007-07-20 04:07:52 PM
Jesus was a liberal!!!

Mohammed was a libertarian!!!

Moses was a conservative!!!

Siddharta was neutral!!!

Nanak was a liberal!!!

Hubbard was a conservative!!!

Hindus, Romans, Babylonians, Mongols, etc...


NPR & PBS have the most accurately informed viewers + listeners of any American media outlet. If they're informed then they can choose their own opinion.
 
2007-07-20 04:07:56 PM
Hey Bush, why don't you actually do something right for a fawqing change and then see if NPR reports it. If they don't, then you have the right to cut funding.

/Until you do, though, let the people be well informed about your plethora of fawq ups.
 
2007-07-20 04:07:57 PM
AnonymousToast: I work for an NPR station, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

No, seriously. It's more of an affiliate station, but we play a few of their shows. Luckily, the GM here is pretty cool and let's me play my own music on my workstation. It's LAUNCHcast, but it's better than the Vivaldi/Fresh Air/Marketplace combination I'd have to bear otherwise.


Hey, Fresh Air rocks!!
 
2007-07-20 04:08:18 PM
Bullshiat. NPR and PBS could easily survive without being subsidized. They're called commercials. And if they can't it means not enough people watch/listen to justify them continuing.

When you accept money from advertisers, it is implied that you will not report anything desparaging on the company, or you will cow-tow to the company when th ey come calling, demanding you to change something about what you're doing.

Perfect example? Don Imus (sp?) getting fired because 2 key corporations didn't want him on the air.

Sorry, we have enough of that horsesh*t going on in this country. I'm sick of it.
 
2007-07-20 04:08:20 PM
tiggis: The only good show they have that isnt a mouthpiece for liberals is Car Talk.

The funny thing is that the Car Talk guys are actually nanny-state liberals. They actually tried a few years back to get the feds to put an outright ban any car with a "stupidly high" (read: faster than a Camry) horsepower-to-weight ratio. They're brilliant mechanics and funny personalities, but their politics are pretty scary.

On the other hand, NPR's news shows (ATC and ME) are about as balanced as you could ask for. I suppose you could probably see liberal bias in them if you're looking for it, but you could see conservative bias there too. They do have much less of a fearmongering/tabloid/sensationalism bias than any other major news source, which makes them superior in my book.

 
2007-07-20 04:08:28 PM
Arnold T Pants: And if they can't it means not enough people watch/listen to justify them continuing.

Evidently, it does, as the November 2006 elections demonstrated. The public already exercises its will on public appropriations through its election of public officials. The public elected people who were supportive of public broadcasting. That's what representative democracy is all about. It is interesting to watch your allergy to this concept develop over time.
 
2007-07-20 04:08:45 PM
Arnold T Pants: WayneKerr: See, you already hooked Arnold T Dumbass.

LOL!!! OMG, you swithed Pants with Dumbass! That is so funny. You are really smart!!! Thanks for this contribution to this thread.


You 're right. Please accept my ("THIS IS A TEST OF THE EMERGENCY BROADCAST SYSTEM -- THIS IS ONLY A TEST...") with peanut butter.
 
2007-07-20 04:09:02 PM
I don't care which side of the political fence they are on. We shouldn't be funding them.
 
2007-07-20 04:09:21 PM
They are liberal but they both do a good job reporting. Great example from NPR a couple of weeks ago. I listen to NPR every morning in the shower and the reporter was discussing CEO pay with the host and she asked if it is fair that a CEO is paid X number of times the regular worked. My question would have been is it anyone's business besides the company and the shareholders what they pay their CEO.
 
2007-07-20 04:09:43 PM
i181.photobucket.com

We're just gonna put a happy little bush down in this corner, and that'll just be our little secret. And if you tell anybody that bush is there, I will come to your house and I will cut you!"
 
2007-07-20 04:09:44 PM
I like NPR, it's good stuff. Solid news reporting, plus they have a lot of classical music in the afternoons.

PBS is good, I guess, for little kids and really old people. I find it boring, personally; I could care less if it were on the air but I don't mind funding it to keep the people who can't help but shiat themselves occupied and out of the public eye.
 
2007-07-20 04:09:49 PM
I wouldn't consider myself liberal, but I am very glad to have PBS. The kid's shows on there are great, it's one of the few places you can get actual news, and they actually show concerts.
 
2007-07-20 04:10:53 PM
dont you just love how right wing nuts call anything neutral, central, or just basically anyone telling the truth or wanting to help people "DIRTY LIBERALS". seriously, what the fark is wrong with you people? if the news tells the truth: THEY ARE LIBERAL. if someone shows any thought or care whatsoever to his fellow man, animal, the earth, anything but himself: THEY ARE LIBERAL. everyone must be selfish farking bastards only looking out for themselves or theres something wrong with them. also your god must be money. the more money you have the better. corporations are looked up as angels because they are so close to god (money). pathetic wastes of life.
 
2007-07-20 04:11:02 PM
adambomb: This is why I don't feel bad for not donating when they have their pledge drives. I already pay for it with my taxes, so just put Car Talk back on.

QFT
 
2007-07-20 04:11:45 PM
adambomb: This is why I don't feel bad for not donating when they have their pledge drives. I already pay for it with my taxes, so just put Car Talk back on.

In other news, "A hobo killer talks about why it's ok that he kills hobos."

"They're a social menace", says the killer, "It's a good thing that I act the way I do."
 
2007-07-20 04:12:27 PM
Sunny Ray: WayneKerr:

Sunny Ray: NPR appeals to the intellectual emotional and the rational irrational, that is why Republicans do not like it.

I think that you bumped your head, or you OD'd on SwitchiO's this morning.

Whew....you're right. Fixed it, though. Thanks, that was scary.


I'm here to help (when I'm not at recess). Glad to see that you're back on your feet.

-off to lunch at Mario's La Fiesta
 
2007-07-20 04:12:30 PM
Dubya's_Coke_Dealer:
I don't want to subsidize corn farmers at gunpoint.
I don't want to subsidize sugar cane growers at gunpoint.
I don't want to subsidize a stupid war at gunpoint.
I don't want to fund "abstinence only" programs that don't work at gunpoint.


I don't want to fund any of those things at gun point either.
 
2007-07-20 04:12:41 PM
dave2198: Every time I challenge someone to show me a liberal bias in NPR, they all shy away, and nobody will face me head-on, because they know they will lose.

I can positively demonstrate to you that Diane Rhem is obviously biased towards old women with shaky voices.

/one ticket, aisle seat please
 
2007-07-20 04:13:06 PM
Arnold T Pants: Bullshiat. NPR and PBS could easily survive without being subsidized. They're called commercials. And if they can't it means not enough people watch/listen to justify them continuing.

No. This is why NPR and PBS rule. Make them support their programs with advertising, and you cut the very soul out of the endeavor.

Commercial funding through advertising is why most "news" programs are simply the opinions of whoever paid for the previous advertising spot.
 
2007-07-20 04:13:41 PM
My hometown is going to be featured on PBS in Ken Burns new documentary The War. It is a documentary about four American towns during WWII (Sacramento, Calif.; Mobile, Ala.; Waterbury, Conn., and Luverne, Minn.) and what it was like at home during the war.
 
2007-07-20 04:14:06 PM
NPR all day errrr day.
/and a nice joint.
//mmmm...stereotypical...
 
2007-07-20 04:14:06 PM
PhilMP: We're just gonna put a happy little bush down in this corner, and that'll just be our little secret. And if you tell anybody that bush is there, I will come to your house and I will cut you!"

Family Guy FTW!
 
2007-07-20 04:14:12 PM
Facts have a liberal bias. . .
 
2007-07-20 04:14:18 PM
thedefeatists.typepad.com
 
2007-07-20 04:14:19 PM
Whodat: I don't care which side of the political fence they are on. We shouldn't be funding them.
Then you'll be returning the $200 million bond issue that built the Georgia Dome?
 
2007-07-20 04:14:23 PM
The_Sponge: 2) If you want excellent educational programming, watch the Discovery Channel.

Ha! Please, -please- tell me you're joking. I would hardly count Dirty Jobs, Deadliest Catch, and Mythbusters (which together comprise almost their entire schedule now) as educational programming. You're also talking about the channel which airs such beauties as "A Haunting in Connecticut" and "Little Lost Souls: Children Possessed?".

Even their most educational programs seem to be quite lacking in major substance. If you want truly educational programming, try some episodes of Nova -- it's available on PBS with no commercials!
 
2007-07-20 04:14:50 PM
I am a supporter of two public radio stations for about a decade. I don't believe the straight news shows like "Morining Editon" "All Things Concidered" or "Marketplace" sources has any obvious biases. Even the guest commentators who do have a bias seem almost reasonable. However, I do believe the "Entertainment" programing like "Wait, Wait Don't Tell Me", "Prairie Home Companion" and "This American Life" has a leftist slant.
 
2007-07-20 04:14:55 PM
Ochiba: Arnold T Pants: Bullshiat. NPR and PBS could easily survive without being subsidized. They're called commercials. And if they can't it means not enough people watch/listen to justify them continuing.

No. This is why NPR and PBS rule. Make them support their programs with advertising, and you cut the very soul out of the endeavor.

Commercial funding through advertising is why most "news" programs are simply the opinions of whoever paid for the previous advertising spot.


PBS and NPR already run commercials and have for years. Plus thinking that the news is the opinion of the sponsors is....well...stupid
 
2007-07-20 04:15:00 PM
A Dark Evil Omen: Okay, anarcho-capitalist right-wing nutters, listen up, cause I'm only gonna say this once:


Nice preamble there, it has no legal relevance.
In which Article or Amendment does the Constitution give the federal government power to fund a network of radio/television stations?
BTW, if the government was empowered to provide health care to the people, why didn't this start in 1790?

/Enjoys much of the programming on NPR/PBS, doesn't think taxpayers should fund it.
 
2007-07-20 04:15:00 PM
On a car trip last summer I flipped back and forth between Rush and NPR on my car radio.

NPR was having a show about about fuel efficiency and had a guest on who was explaining the various ways the average commuter could save on gasoline. The topics included the proper way to operate your air conditioner and myths about having the windows rolled down while on the freeway. It was a rather bland, but informative program. Very "PBS-like".

The Rush show was nothing more than the host using the words "liberal", "democrat", "socialism", "media" and so forth over and over again. Rush was not able to talk for more than 30 seconds without using one of those words. The topic was pretty much a generic form of "liberals hate America" and "this is their secret agenda" sort of thing.

It was quite an experience comparing the supposed "liberally biased" NPR programming to Rush.
 
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