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(Financial Times)   Karl Rove's November ace-in-the-hole was supposed to be the DEA, but they're as good at getting people to vote Republican as they are at stopping drug use   (ft.com ) divider line
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2007-07-18 08:17:32 AM  
Can we have articles of impeachment drafted against Mr. Walters please?

The President cannot pardon or grant clemency to targets of congressional impeachment.
 
2007-07-18 08:53:36 AM  
Better yet, how about charges of obstruction of justice and racketeering against Karl Rove? And a big KHITBASH, too?
 
2007-07-18 09:11:00 AM  
Too bad Rove gets no value from Afghanistan voters. The Taliban loves Karl Rove's drug policy.
 
2007-07-18 09:18:45 AM  
Hatch Act!

Do you speak it?
 
2007-07-18 09:39:14 AM  
*Rolls eyes*
 
2007-07-18 09:40:38 AM  
ONDCP != DEA.

/Just sayin'.
 
2007-07-18 09:42:31 AM  
Okay, reading this, does anyone now NOT believe that the firing of the 7 US attorneys was part of an attempt to politicize the DOJ and that it was Rove behind it?
 
2007-07-18 09:44:18 AM  
Some people are going to do drugs one way or another, whether they obtain them legally and have it taxed for our benefit (booze and smokes) or buy from and support the black market because this retarded war on drugs. (pot, coke, etc)

One way we get tax money from people who would do drugs anyway.

The other way we makes drugs more valuable, not get ANY taxes on them, and THEN spend BILLIONS locking up non-violent offenders with pedophiles and rapists.

Hmm, any conservative would tell you that getting funds and reducing crime which goes along with legalization and taxation is infinitely better than not getting the tax money and ending up paying billions more in taxes that YOU have to pay.
 
2007-07-18 09:45:13 AM  
Magorn: Okay, reading this, does anyone now NOT believe that the firing of the 7 US attorneys was part of an attempt to politicize the DOJ and that it was Rove behind it?

Pleasure of the president...
 
2007-07-18 09:46:32 AM  
tehvodak: Pleasure of the president...

Bow-chicka-bow-wow.
 
2007-07-18 09:46:53 AM  
tehvodak: Magorn: Okay, reading this, does anyone now NOT believe that the firing of the 7 US attorneys was part of an attempt to politicize the DOJ and that it was Rove behind it?

Pleasure of the president...


Extortion is a crime.
 
2007-07-18 09:47:49 AM  
Koggie: Extortion is a crime.

Well actually you forgot Poland.
 
2007-07-18 09:50:47 AM  
Control_this: Too bad Rove gets no value from Afghanistan voters. The Taliban loves Karl Rove's drug policy.

How dare you try to blight such a good caring Christian soldier's name in such a way?!?! I know, I know it's fark and all, but come on.
 
2007-07-18 09:50:59 AM  
I'm waiting for the usual suspects to come in somehow blame Waxman for this. Clearly, if he publishes the DEA's secret partisan chicanary, then the terrorists, drug dealers, Democrats win!!
 
2007-07-18 09:53:43 AM  
tehvodak: Pleasure of the president...

vindictive prosecution is against the law... mmmkay
 
2007-07-18 09:53:44 AM  
tehvodak: Magorn: Okay, reading this, does anyone now NOT believe that the firing of the 7 US attorneys was part of an attempt to politicize the DOJ and that it was Rove behind it?

Pleasure of the president...


Yeah, but prior to the patriot act, the new ones had to be confirmed by congress, that way you couldn't put in flunkies from Regent that will bow to your every command.
 
2007-07-18 09:55:45 AM  
Put Rove and Jon Lovits in a room together and just see what happens.
 
2007-07-18 09:56:32 AM  
SaladMonkey: Yeah, but prior to the patriot act, the new ones had to be confirmed by congress, that way you couldn't put in flunkies from Regent that will bow to your every command.

okay, if the patriot act allowed for this and the president is also legally allowed to replace attorneys at his pleasure....then I fail to see where anything illegal occurred.
 
2007-07-18 09:58:05 AM  
Code_Archeologist: tehvodak: Pleasure of the president...

vindictive prosecution is against the law... mmmkay


LOL! Citing Wikipedia! FAIL!!
 
2007-07-18 10:01:59 AM  
tehvodak: Pleasure of the president...

B-b-b-but Clinton was impeached for having a public servant pleasure him.
 
2007-07-18 10:04:50 AM  
"The director and deputies deserve the most recognition because they actually had to give up time with their families for the God-awful places we sent them," Mr Simon said in a November 21 e-mail.


Send him to.... Detroit.
 
2007-07-18 10:06:51 AM  
Hagbardr: B-b-b-but Clinton was impeached for having a public servant pleasure him.

NO, NO, NO. He was impeached for perjury, which is a crime. It will take a long time for the dark spot he put on the presidency (and Lewinsky's dress) to be wiped clean.
 
2007-07-18 10:13:28 AM  
tehvodak: LOL! Citing Wikipedia!

You, might try clicking the citation links in the page... or is that too much work for you?
 
2007-07-18 10:14:12 AM  
FTA:
John Walters, head of the Bush administration's non-partisan drug agency


Silly journalists, when are they going to realize that there is no such thing as 'non-partisan' in this administration.
 
2007-07-18 10:16:33 AM  
enforcement against victimless crimes is just another form of republican welfare.
 
2007-07-18 10:16:38 AM  
DEA, now that's an organization full of Prick Losers.
The level of SMUG in that organization is unbelievable.
So tough because they take on the dealers and cartels and see the real action...

They're like the team that plays against the Harlem Globetrotters, they lose time and time again but never know when to quit.

Can't believe I actually considered working for them.
 
2007-07-18 10:17:00 AM  
tehvodak: He was impeached for perjury

And subsequently acquitted by the senate.
 
2007-07-18 10:17:23 AM  
Code_Archeologist: You, might try clicking the citation links in the page... or is that too much work for you?

Why don't you just post the citations...or is that too much work for you?
 
2007-07-18 10:17:35 AM  
FuriousGeorge945: FTA:
John Walters, head of the Bush administration's non-partisan drug agency


Silly journalists, when are they going to realize that there is no such thing as 'non-partisan' in this administration.


Even that blonde chick admitted that she used party affiliation as part of the hiring process.
 
2007-07-18 10:21:00 AM  
Donald_McRonald: And subsequently acquitted by the senate.

I fail to see how that has any bearing on the subject at hand. Everyone knows he did it, the acquittal makes no difference.
 
2007-07-18 10:22:50 AM  
tehvodak: I fail to see how that has any bearing on the subject at hand. Everyone knows he did it, the acquittal makes no difference.

Yup, everyone knows he lied about getting blown.
 
2007-07-18 10:23:30 AM  
Waxman sure picks up on the strangest elements of Karl Rove's behavior. Good for him, and good for the people who are leaking all this crap. That said, rather than campaigning for Bush, the Office of National Drug Control Policy should be more focused on keeping W's gay friends off the Meth right before an important election. One ounce of prevention is equal to five pounds of Christian based Gay-Meth-Orgie consuling.
 
2007-07-18 10:23:44 AM  
Donald_McRonald: Yup, everyone knows he lied about getting blown.

While under oath...
 
2007-07-18 10:25:17 AM  
tehvodak: Donald_McRonald: Yup, everyone knows he lied about getting blown.

While under oath...


Will the world ever forgive us?
 
2007-07-18 10:25:30 AM  
pvd021: Can't believe I actually considered working for them.

Cops always have the best stuff, man.
 
2007-07-18 10:26:17 AM  
Donald_McRonald: Will the world ever forgive us?

No
 
2007-07-18 10:27:04 AM  
tehvodak: Everyone knows he did it, the acquittal makes no difference.

Except, you know, the whole legality of establishing guilt, and all.

Of course, if you commute a sentence, the guilt is still established but you let the guy go without punishment for some reason. That would be where a legal action really 'made no difference' as regards guilt.
 
2007-07-18 10:27:16 AM  
tehvodak:

...and nobody cared. Except for those with Clinton Derangement Syndrome.
 
2007-07-18 10:29:15 AM  
tehvodak
So are you furious over Bush's commutation of Scooter? After all he was actually CONVICTED by a jury of his peers for lying under oath and obstructing justice.
 
2007-07-18 10:29:22 AM  
tehvodak: Hagbardr: B-b-b-but Clinton was impeached for having a public servant pleasure him.

NO, NO, NO. He was impeached for perjury, which is a crime. It will take a long time for the dark spot he put on the presidency (and Lewinsky's dress) to be wiped clean.


First off, the spot he put on Lewinsky's dress was white/light, not dark.

Second, yeah he committed perjury.

Third, so did Scooter Libby, but people that bashed Clinton for perjury stood up for Libby. (Fun fact, no underlying crime charged in Clinton getting a BJ either).
 
2007-07-18 10:31:16 AM  
tehvodak: Magorn: Okay, reading this, does anyone now NOT believe that the firing of the 7 US attorneys was part of an attempt to politicize the DOJ and that it was Rove behind it?

Pleasure of the president...


Which is all well and good. That they had the legal right to fire them, is basically beyond dispute, but since when was "well my action didn't volate the law" the bar we set for executive branch? being legal does not make the action morally right, or even desireable or correct. The president had every right ot appoint Michael Brown to be in charge of FEMA too, and look how that decision worked out for us. Goolding, Sampson, Schlozman et al. look like the DOJ's version to Brownie, and thanks to their lack of experience, credentials or respect for the law, they've also done a "heckuva job".
 
2007-07-18 10:31:33 AM  
Skleenar: Except, you know, the whole legality of establishing guilt, and all.

Of course, if you commute a sentence, the guilt is still established but you let the guy go without punishment for some reason. That would be where a legal action really 'made no difference' as regards guilt.


Aaaand, I'm spent. sorry for the weak trolling, had to kill some time.
 
2007-07-18 10:32:15 AM  
tehvodak: Aaaand, I'm spent. sorry for the weak trolling, had to kill some time.

Nah, you did good, real good.
 
2007-07-18 10:33:04 AM  
Donald_McRonald Quote 2007-07-18 10:17:00 AM
tehvodak: He was impeached for perjury

And subsequently acquitted by the senate.



What's that you say? He was acquitted by a REPUBLICAN-controlled Senate? Weird.
 
2007-07-18 10:34:17 AM  
Hagbardr: "The director and deputies deserve the most recognition because they actually had to give up time with their families for the God-awful places we sent them," Mr Simon said in a November 21 e-mail.


Send him to.... Detroit.


be fun to get a copy of their iterneraries, and find out exactly where they went; just to hear them explain to the good Citizens of Pig's Ear Nebraska or wherever, that they mean the term "god-awful" in a GOOD way..
 
2007-07-18 10:36:38 AM  
Donald_McRonald: Nah, you did good, real good.

Thanks. I just wish the Threadshiatter who must not be named would come in, troll, and admit it all in good fun rather than being an asshat. There's a way to troll and not be completely annoying.
 
2007-07-18 10:51:15 AM  
"okay, if the patriot act allowed for this and the president is also legally allowed to replace attorneys at his pleasure....then I fail to see where anything illegal occurred."

Once again, for those of you who missed it. It is ILLEGAL to dismiss a prosecutor for reasons relating to an investigation. Therefore, the apparent crime is: firing US Attorneys for actually daring to investigate Republicans who had apparently committed crimes, and/or NOT investigating Democrats enough who were determined to have NOT committed crimes, specifically, immediately prior to an election for the purpose of increasing votes for Republicans. Or in shorthand: You can't use the Justice Department to influence the outcome of elections.

Criminal. Crime. Against the law.
 
2007-07-18 11:08:36 AM  
Calling this White House corrupt is insulting to crooks.

1600 Pennsylvania Avenue is a giant piece of shiat.
 
2007-07-18 11:13:12 AM  
Code_Archeologist: vindictive prosecution is against the law... mmmkay

Really? How does one define "vindictive prosecution?" Malicious prosecution is a tort, but an element is disposition of the charges in favor of the accused. A well-founded prosecution does not become illegal or invalid simply because the prosecuting authorities are happy about it.
 
2007-07-18 11:16:20 AM  
Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: Therefore, the apparent crime is: firing US Attorneys for actually daring to investigate Republicans who had apparently committed crimes, and/or NOT investigating Democrats enough who were determined to have NOT committed crimes, specifically, immediately prior to an election for the purpose of increasing votes for Republicans.

I don't accept your premise, but for the sake of my question let's assume the motivation is as you describe it. Does the fact that the USA's resigned matter to your description of this as a crime?
 
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