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(AlterNet)   Neocons say the darndest things when they think no one's listening   (alternet.org) divider line 385
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2007-07-17 11:18:33 AM  
And so do wussy journalists...
 
2007-07-17 11:23:55 AM  
ndotseth: And so do wussy journalists...

a little sensitive there ? Do you consider yourself to be a Neocon or an actual conservative ?

Your reply kind of indicates the first, which you guys generally don't have the courage or integrity to admit to.
 
2007-07-17 11:29:24 AM  
that article is full of shiat. no one talks like that.
 
2007-07-17 11:35:56 AM  
I read that article two weeks ago.
 
2007-07-17 11:37:08 AM  
From TFA:

When I hear her say, " Of course, we need to execute some of these people," I wake up. Who do we need to execute? She runs her fingers through the sand lazily. "A few of these prominent liberals who are trying to demoralise the country," she says. "Just take a couple of these anti-war people off to the gas chamber for treason to show, if you try to bring down America at a time of war, that's what you'll get." She squints at the sun and smiles. " Then things'll change."

Sweet merciful crap, Ann Coulter was on this cruise, and in a swimsuit!? This guy deserves the Pulitzer Prize simply for having to endure that.

/wonder how big Ann's bulge was
 
2007-07-17 11:38:12 AM  
doublesecretprobation: that article is full of shiat. no one talks like that.

people do talk like that. they just don't do it around you, or you don't go to the types of places those people say such things.
 
2007-07-17 11:42:06 AM  
Oh... why couldn't that ship be stricken with one of those diarrhea viruses....
 
2007-07-17 11:45:40 AM  
Wow, a cruise with the 28%. How fun.
 
2007-07-17 11:50:12 AM  
A little bit about AlterNet before you start quoting this site as scripture:

II. The Challenge We Address

The right-wing media machine: Virtually everyone who has a stake in our political future agrees that when compared to the radical conservatives and the religious fundamentalists, the progressive sector lacks media capacity. The scope of conservative media is vast, including Fox News, Sinclair, major right-wing talk radio market penetration, many newspapers, a fast-growing religious broadcasting system, and sophisticated use of the Internet and new technologies. The ability of the right-wing media apparatus to dominate public discourse is at the expense of liberal and progressive values and represents a fundamental transformation in American politics. This is what we are fighting against.

The negative impact of right-wing media: Over the past two decades conservative media has had a huge impact, and the results are disconcerting. First, most conservative media uses an ideological propaganda model that results in a more ignorant audience. One recent study showed that 80% of Fox viewers got the facts all wrong about the war in Iraq. Not only did they believe that Saddam Hussein had a chemical arsenal, they thought U.S. troops had actually discovered it and they believed the 9/11 Commission had beyond a doubt linked Hussein with al-Qaeda. Only 23% of the NPR/PBS audience held these misconceptions, and the percentage was even lower among those who get their news from the Internet.

Building the progressive echo chamber: The top-down delivery model of right-wing rhetoric (e.g. "death tax," "culture of life") traces a path directly from the White House and conservative think tanks, to Fox News, Rush Limbaugh and a whole host of conservative talk shows. These messages are repeated and further reinforced on the editorial pages of the Wall Street Journal and other newspapers, creating a right wing echo chamber. AlterNet is working hard with many partners to build the progressive echo chamber that will fight back.


This is nothing more than the left's NewsMax. It isn't worth the time of Neocons, conservatives or centrists.
 
2007-07-17 11:52:19 AM  
Neocons are Satan's minions, working hard to bring suffering and pain back into the world as everyday things that someone can make a lot of money off of.
 
2007-07-17 11:54:21 AM  
A little bit about READING before you listen to anything The Convincing Savant says:

By Johann Hari, Independent UK. Posted July 17, 2007.

Alternet reposted it from another source. Attacking the Alternet as the source doesn't work if you are able to read where the article actually came from before your knee starts jerkin'.

(convincing? pfft.)
 
2007-07-17 11:57:33 AM  
doublesecretprobation: that article is full of shiat. no one talks like that.

Yes, actually they do. I worked with a guy who described himself as a "proud neo-con". He would spout off stupid shiat like this all the time, and complain to HR when ever people reacted poorly to him. Dumb-ass didn't know when to keep his mouth shut though and ended up getting fired for calling a sikh gentleman we hired an islamo-facist terrorist in an argument during a meeting.
 
2007-07-17 12:01:02 PM  
TheConvincingSavant: This is nothing more than the left's NewsMax.

So, you're admitting that NewsMax is complete crap?
 
2007-07-17 12:01:21 PM  
doublesecretprobation: that article is full of shiat. no one talks like that.

Move to Texas for about a week.
 
2007-07-17 12:02:26 PM  
Bill_Wick's_Friend: A little bit about READING before you listen to anything The Convincing Savant says:

By Johann Hari, Independent UK. Posted July 17, 2007.

Alternet reposted it from another source. Attacking the Alternet as the source doesn't work if you are able to read where the article actually came from before your knee starts jerkin'.

(convincing? pfft.)


If this is the best defense you can come up with, this is going to be a breeze. It serves the progressive interest and their message. Screaming that it's not "technically" from their site is pittiable.

Try again.
 
2007-07-17 12:03:07 PM  
Craptastic: TheConvincingSavant: This is nothing more than the left's NewsMax.

So, you're admitting that NewsMax is complete crap?


No, it's Craptastic.
 
2007-07-17 12:05:32 PM  
Most of my extended family is in that 28%, and I assure you doublesecretprobation, they do talk like that.

Honestly I couldn't be happier with the job Bush is doing. He has nearly singlehandedly caused a divide in the right wing that will cripple them for many years. Welcome to the rest of the 21st Century folks.

I nearly wish I had voted for him.
 
2007-07-17 12:06:50 PM  
PolloDiablo: Move to Texas for about a week.

Exactly.
I live in Dallas and hear this kind of idiocy all the time.
 
2007-07-17 12:07:28 PM  
I'm surprised that together they could compile enough brain cells to pilot a boat to sea and back.
 
2007-07-17 12:08:47 PM  
If this is the best defense you can come up with, this is going to be a breeze. It

Respected award-winning journalist writing for a known and respected paper. Do you believe that, if asked, any of the named participants in this article will deny saying what they're reported as saying? I am quite certain that Hari is a better journalist than that.

http://www.johannhari.com/about.php

Try again? At what? All you've stated is that Alternet is a left-wing site. It is, but that fact says nothing about the article or about the contents of the article, neither of which have you addressed in any manner. What is there to rebutt beyond your ad-hominem attack on the wrong source?
 
2007-07-17 12:09:50 PM  
TheConvincingSavant: It serves the progressive interest and their message. Screaming that it's not "technically" from their site is pittiable.

An ad hominem of the soruce serves as a poor rhetorical tool at attacking the truth value of the writer's statement. I have personally talked to neo-cons and have heard them say things just as shocking as what this guy is reporting. Your opinion of the motivations of Alternet or the Independent does not make what he is reporting untrue.
 
2007-07-17 12:11:33 PM  
TheConvincingSavant: If this is the best defense you can come up with, this is going to be a breeze. It serves the progressive interest and their message. Screaming that it's not "technically" from their site is pittiable.

If Alternet links or reprints a column by George Will, does that make it stupid all of the sudden?

Does it suddenly make facts untrue when a source you find questionable reprints them?

What exactly was your point?
 
2007-07-17 12:11:47 PM  
TheConvincingSavant: Bill_Wick's_Friend: A little bit about READING before you listen to anything The Convincing Savant says:

By Johann Hari, Independent UK. Posted July 17, 2007.

Alternet reposted it from another source. Attacking the Alternet as the source doesn't work if you are able to read where the article actually came from before your knee starts jerkin'.

(convincing? pfft.)

If this is the best defense you can come up with, this is going to be a breeze. It serves the progressive interest and their message. Screaming that it's not "technically" from their site is pittiable.

Try again.


It's not from their site at all. It's from a newspaper in the UK. Are you dumb? That's like attacking Fark for posting this link. Also, there is only one "t" in pitiable.
 
2007-07-17 12:13:17 PM  
TheConvincingSavant: It serves the progressive interest and their message.

Why does that sound like you think progress is a bad thing?
 
2007-07-17 12:16:06 PM  
Interesting. I think TheConvincingSavant is concerned with discrediting the source, although he utterly whiffed, precisely because the kind of crap the article brings to light is so obviously a problem and reveals those still allied with the president to be the psychos we all know they are.

But I'm sure I'll get the usual runaround, maybe with an extra dash of "Your reading comprehension is teh suxxor!"

Anyway, it's official. The right wing has gone off the deep end. Right in time for the left to get their shiat together too.
 
2007-07-17 12:16:09 PM  
Cheney pushes Bush to act on Iran (p)

The Neo-Conmen know that the remaining months of Bush's presidency is their last best shot at... whatever it is they're trying to do.
 
2007-07-17 12:18:28 PM  
Code_Archeologist: TheConvincingSavant: It serves the progressive interest and their message. Screaming that it's not "technically" from their site is pittiable.

An ad hominem of the soruce serves as a poor rhetorical tool at attacking the truth value of the writer's statement. I have personally talked to neo-cons and have heard them say things just as shocking as what this guy is reporting. Your opinion of the motivations of Alternet or the Independent does not make what he is reporting untrue.


While it may be true, it cannot be taken seriously because of the sites admitted bias. It's their own fault. If they wanted to be taken seriously by anyone other than the left, they would strive for impartiality and welcome all ideologies. They've boxed themselves in with this liberalism is the only way mentality and it hurts them with centrists and conservatives.

And talk to your buddy Bill up there about ad hominems, he's got them down.
 
2007-07-17 12:19:09 PM  
A good article about the National Review (pops)

Thanks to sigdiamond2000 for that link in some other thread.
 
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2007-07-17 12:19:09 PM  
cameroncrazy1984: Are you dumb?

You must be new here. He has a PhD in dumb.
 
2007-07-17 12:19:53 PM  
strathcona: TheConvincingSavant: It serves the progressive interest and their message.

Why does that sound like you think progress is a bad thing?


Progress is good. I only wish Progressives sought it.
 
2007-07-17 12:20:45 PM  
BearToy: PolloDiablo: Move to Texas for about a week.

Exactly.
I live in Dallas and hear this kind of idiocy all the time.


I live in Dallas too and never hear this.
 
2007-07-17 12:22:45 PM  
While it may be true, it cannot be taken seriously because of the sites (sic) admitted bias.

Which site are you talking about?

Sounds like you're talking about Alternet, which really has nothing to do with this article beyond reprinting it.

Which family member of yours is posting this nonsense today?
 
2007-07-17 12:22:55 PM  
TheConvincingSavant: Code_Archeologist: TheConvincingSavant: It serves the progressive interest and their message. Screaming that it's not "technically" from their site is pittiable.

An ad hominem of the soruce serves as a poor rhetorical tool at attacking the truth value of the writer's statement. I have personally talked to neo-cons and have heard them say things just as shocking as what this guy is reporting. Your opinion of the motivations of Alternet or the Independent does not make what he is reporting untrue.

While it may be true, it cannot be taken seriously because of the sites admitted bias. It's their own fault. If they wanted to be taken seriously by anyone other than the left, they would strive for impartiality and welcome all ideologies. They've boxed themselves in with this liberalism is the only way mentality and it hurts them with centrists and conservatives.

And talk to your buddy Bill up there about ad hominems, he's got them down.


Once again, you say nothing about the article itself or the Independent. What was your point then, other than to derail the thread?
 
2007-07-17 12:23:40 PM  
Another troll's misdirection accomplished. Anything to keep from discussing their failed ideology.
 
2007-07-17 12:24:29 PM  
"Neocons"... I love it when everyone throws that term around without having a clue about what it means or what personal philosophies true neocons hold.

I've read enough AlertNet and NewsMax to see that while occasionally you can find a decent, coherent, article most of their stories are just rhetoric and biased. Extremes on either side suck.
 
2007-07-17 12:25:38 PM  
TheConvincingSavant: Progress is good. I only wish Progressives sought it.

You have been wrong about everything. Why should anybody listen to you?
 
2007-07-17 12:26:01 PM  
TheConvincingSavant: While it may be true, it cannot be taken seriously because of the sites admitted bias.

This is a logical fallacy. Why not just admit that you had no idea that the article was not an Alternet piece when you first attacked it? It's patently obvious to everyone that you shot your mouth off engaging in an ad hominem without checking to see where the article originated.

TheConvincingSavant: I live in Dallas too and never hear this.

That's odd. I've had quite a few conversations from people from Dallas about how global warming is a myth. You have not?
 
2007-07-17 12:27:00 PM  
netizencain: "Neocons"... I love it when everyone throws that term around without having a clue about what it means or what personal philosophies true neocons hold.

Who is applying to people to whom the label doesn't fit? or are you just pre-emptively discarding any criticism of neo-conservatism?
 
2007-07-17 12:27:44 PM  
mediaho: The Neo-Conmen know that the remaining months of Bush's presidency is their last best shot at... whatever it is they're trying to do.

Detonate an atom bomb before their term in office expires.
 
2007-07-17 12:30:15 PM  
cameroncrazy1984:
Once again, you say nothing about the article itself or the Independent. What was your point then, other than to derail the thread?

The point of this thread was to pander to the left and make them feel good about themselves. My point is that it's a group from the left telling the left how bad the right is, although I thought it was kinda obvious.

But hey, I'm dumb, at least according to you and a few other progressives here so I'll let you put this thread back on track so you can get back to the blind conservative hatred.
 
2007-07-17 12:31:30 PM  
TheConvincingSavant: While it may be true, it cannot be taken seriously because of the sites admitted bias. It's their own fault. If they wanted to be taken seriously by anyone other than the left, they would strive for impartiality and welcome all ideologies. They've boxed themselves in with this liberalism is the only way mentality and it hurts them with centrists and conservatives.

Horseshiat.

Partisanship is not a disqualifier for being taken seriously.

Untruthfulness is, but partisanship is not.
 
2007-07-17 12:31:49 PM  
netizencain: "Neocons"... I love it when everyone throws that term around without having a clue about what it means or what personal philosophies true neocons hold.

I've read enough AlertNet and NewsMax to see that while occasionally you can find a decent, coherent, article most of their stories are just rhetoric and biased. Extremes on either side suck.


Good to see I'm not alone.
 
2007-07-17 12:32:16 PM  
TheConvincingSavant: The point of this thread was to pander to the left and make them feel good about themselves.

Which means, "I, the Convincing Savant have no real argument to offer but my disdain for being busted."
 
2007-07-17 12:34:07 PM  
Well, TCS do you denounce these people as not being representative of the conservative ideology? That should get things back on track.
 
2007-07-17 12:34:21 PM  
The point of this thread was to pander to the left and make them feel good about themselves. My point is that it's a group from the left telling the left how bad the right is, although I thought it was kinda obvious.

But hey, I'm dumb, at least according to you and a few other progressives here so I'll let you put this thread back on track so you can get back to the blind conservative hatred.


By now EVERYONE has noticed that you haven't addressed a single issue within the article.

You didn't even read it, did you? It seems very likely that you got as far as "AlterNet" before you started posting.
 
2007-07-17 12:34:46 PM  
TheConvincingSavant: Good to see I'm not alone.

In missing the fact that this is not an Alternet article at all?
 
2007-07-17 12:35:18 PM  
whidbey: TheConvincingSavant: The point of this thread was to pander to the left and make them feel good about themselves.

Which means, "I, the Convincing Savant have no real argument to offer but my disdain for being busted."


How was I busted? How was I wrong? Are you telling me AlterNet is not a progressive site?
 
2007-07-17 12:35:26 PM  
He blamed his wife when he was caught making stupid statements. You expect him to take responsibility now?
 
2007-07-17 12:37:15 PM  
TheConvincingSavant: This is nothing more than the left's NewsMax. It isn't worth the time of Neocons, conservatives or centrists.

This ^^^^
 
2007-07-17 12:37:35 PM  
TheConvincingSavant: How was I busted? How was I wrong? Are you telling me AlterNet is not a progressive site?

What I'm saying is:

Kick back and take the criticism. Cool the guilt trip.
 
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