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(Some Guy)   "Rove Strategy Paper Found in Nixon Archive." Next up: Proof that Rove is responsible not only for 9/11 and Watergate, but also the Teapot Dome scandal and the Civil War   (nytimes.com) divider line 35
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2007-07-16 04:08:46 PM
Karl Rove is just one of his many names, others include:
Flagg
Walter o'Dim
Randall Flagg
Rudin Filaro

/Pleased to meet you, hope you guessed my name
 
2007-07-16 04:11:34 PM
Mr. Rove said he long ago lost his only copy of the campaign platform. But he said he was not surprised that the document had turned up in the Nixon files.

"When you send something to a White House person," he said in obvious pain from a crushing weight of irony, ''it tends to be collected and remain."


FTFY, NYT
 
2007-07-16 04:16:08 PM
KEYZER SOZE!!!
 
2007-07-16 04:22:28 PM
I believe some cultures call him "the old gentleman" because if you say his actual name, he appears.
 
2007-07-16 04:43:13 PM
Gosling: I believe some cultures call him "the old gentleman" because if you say his actual name, he appears.

Like The Grither?
 
2007-07-16 04:52:56 PM
You have to hand it to Rove. He really knows how to consistently make his enemies look like they're guilty of the crime his camp is committing. Pure American ingenuity.

If only that kind of ingenuity was being used to solve America's problems.

/loves America, despises people running it down the sewer pipe of history.
 
2007-07-16 05:47:12 PM
Don't forget 'The Walkin Dude' ...
 
2007-07-16 06:13:38 PM
In his memorandum, Mr. Rove offered suggestions, from having college Republican clubs show "nonpolitical films for fund-raising (e.g. John Wayne flicks, 'Reefer Madness')"

college Democrats like those films too...but there's usually more laughter involved.
 
2007-07-16 07:42:57 PM
/scratches head
 
2007-07-16 07:51:03 PM
FlashLV: /scratches head

What's that matter? You can't figure out a way to blame this on Democrats?
 
2007-07-16 07:52:48 PM
omfgodzilla: FlashLV: /scratches head

What's that matter? You can't figure out a way to blame this on Democrats?


Blame what on Democrats? Whats to blame? An idea to watch movies?

OH THE HORROR!!
 
2007-07-16 08:04:43 PM
Have you ever seen Reefer Madness.....on weed?

Seriously though, how is Reefer Madness not "political"?

Government issued propaganda films (even when they are insanely comical in their mis-information) aren't political?
 
2007-07-16 08:25:39 PM
submitter: "Rove Strategy Paper Found in Nixon Archive." Next up: Proof that Rove is responsible not only for 9/11 and Watergate, but also the Teapot Dome scandal and the Civil War

Whaddya expect?? I remember the douchebag fondly recalling fixing his high school student elections...
 
2007-07-16 08:37:21 PM
omfgodzilla: FlashLV: /scratches head

What's that matter? You can't figure out a way to blame this on Democrats?


You had to take the bait didn't you?
 
2007-07-16 08:38:24 PM
Most of the people working under Bush got their "training" working under Nixon. Any more questions about what's going on?
 
2007-07-16 08:39:26 PM
The thought of college Republicans sitting around watching "Reefer Madness" makes me giggle.
 
2007-07-16 08:41:25 PM
FlashLV: Blame what on Democrats? Whats to blame? An idea to watch movies?

OH THE HORROR!!


Flash, you and I both know that this is an evil liberal conspiracy to connect the Bush and Nixon administrations.
 
2007-07-16 08:42:52 PM
As to the reference to "Reefer Madness," a torrid antimarijuana propaganda film later revived as a countercultural favorite, the 56-year-old Mr. Rove pleaded forgetfulness. "God, this is 1973!" he said. "You work the math. I don't remember it all."

Smear them faster... Faster... FASTER!!!!
 
2007-07-16 08:45:01 PM
Oh, turdblossom.
 
2007-07-16 08:46:17 PM
3G's

I don't know what film you are referring, but Reefer Madness was not produced or affiliated with the government in any way. In fact, it was really aimed at a far different audience and purpose than you might suppose. It was a way to get a lot of "racy" material in a film which might have otherwise been able to get past the censors (Hayes Board) at the time.

If you ever watch the movie, kind of ignore the underlying premise and notice how many shots seem to linger on provocative and "arousing" things. Like for instance the scene with the young lady putting on her stockings for what seems like an eternity. While the camera follows each and every move she makes, making sure to catch as much leg and exposed flesh as possible. The filmakers tried to pass the film off as a morality tale, while they knew their real audience was going to come for the titillation and exploitation factor. I'd be willing to bet that the audience for the film in the 30's wasn't all that unlike the audience for the film in the 70/80's.
 
2007-07-16 08:49:07 PM
One trick pony, that boy.
 
2007-07-16 08:51:29 PM
lawboy87: The filmakers tried to pass the film off as a morality tale, while they knew their real audience was going to come for the titillation and exploitation factor.

Fox News uses that trick today...
 
2007-07-16 08:57:03 PM
Karl Rove wanted to get people to watch "Reefer Madness" and take it seriously. I think that's 'nuff said.

/exploitative scumballs do entirely too well in our society
 
2007-07-16 09:21:49 PM
Also known as Rasalom, Molasar, Sara Lom, Rafe Losmara...
 
2007-07-16 09:54:09 PM
www.strk3.com

he's architecting a comeback.
 
2007-07-16 09:57:31 PM
graphics8.nytimes.com

And on a semi-related note, has anyone else noticed that you can double-click on any word in a new york times article and it will bring up a definition?
 
2007-07-16 09:59:04 PM
FlashLV: You are definitely ready for prime time.

You either need to apply to the White House or Fox News.

You make Hannity, O'Reilly and Snow look like amateurs.


You probably blame Lincoln for going to see the play.
 
2007-07-16 10:56:56 PM
sofla39: You probably blame Lincoln for going to see the play.

He just had to go see that unpatriotic bit of foreign propaganda, didn't he?
 
2007-07-16 11:16:04 PM
If he'd just emailed this letter, we wouldn't be talking about it today.
 
2007-07-16 11:24:46 PM
screams incomprehensible: Robot Nixon will be no match for Chaingun Lincoln in the primaries.
 
2007-07-16 11:38:40 PM
lawboy87

While technically Reefer Madness was produced by a church group, it was absolutely government approved propaganda. I own two different versions of the film on DVD.

Harry Anslinger, the original "drug czar" himself was in the film.
Most interesting to me was his response to the high school principal who begged for federal interference in the "reefer" trade. Anslinger remarked that since Cannabis was grown in "every State of the union", it was not subject to federal government control under the commerce clause!

Any true conservative would of course agree with that assertion, it's most unfortunate that, after the Marihuana and Tobacco Tax Act of 1936 had been ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court, Nixon pushed for the Controlled Substance Act of 1970. That act of course led to the current "war on some drugs" in all its glory.

The film "Marijuana:Weed with Roots in Hell" is actually much more titillating, featuring among other things nude girls running and swimming!

As for the intended audience, both were intended to portray what some thought at the time was a serious view of the dangers of the evil weed, but odds are that even then, it was viewed by most as the comedy of errors and misinformation that it truly was.
 
2007-07-17 01:38:01 AM
3 G's comedy of errors and misinformation that it truly was.

Don't be so sure. Today on Digg a guy was arguing against weed with gems such as that it is "highly addictive" and other such nonsense. Realize that for much of America, DARE and such programs are the only place they learn about drugs. Further, many people just view everything as "drugs" and don't differentiate between meth and pot resulting in pretty skewed ideas.
 
2007-07-17 09:02:25 AM
3G's

In some aspects you are correct, the original film = Tell Your Children was intended to be a moralistic tool. However, that film (and all the extra footage) was bought by another producer, recut and renamed and re-released as Reefer Madness and marketed to the exploitation crowd.

But it still wasn't produced or paid for by the government, so I don't see how you can claim it was "government" propoganda. Hell, John Wayne's production of The Green Beret's was I'm sure a very welcome view of Vietnam by the Nixon administration, but that doesn't make it a "government" propaganda film either.
 
2007-07-17 10:03:24 AM
lawboy87

I'll agree that I mis-typed originally, and retracted the statement in my following post to "government approved". While it was not directly produced or distributed (originally) by the government, it was however based directly on the claims made by Anslinger et al. and even featured Anslinger on the film trying to make the point that individual State governments had to do something about the "scourge" of "marihuana", since the feds had no jurisdiction in the matter.

I'm not aware of any government officials being featured in any of John Wayne's movies, perhaps I am wrong, I'm certainly not a John Wayne aficionado.

If John P. Waters appeared on an "anti-drug" film today I'd consider that goverment approved propaganda as well.

Perhaps it is simply a matter of semantics.
 
2007-07-17 10:07:42 AM
Ooops, that should have been, John P. Walters.
 
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