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(Some Guy)   Hollywood & the Internet Might Want a Clinton/Obama Ticket The Rest of the Country Probably Not So Much   (electiongeek.com) divider line 68
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2007-07-16 01:48:54 PM
Okay, Thanks For Telling Us.
 
2007-07-16 01:51:29 PM
Green? Shenanigans. The only people I know that seriously want Clinton elected are Republicans.
 
2007-07-16 01:53:34 PM
and then GOP would put up giuliani/fred! and win
 
2007-07-16 01:56:12 PM
Obama, okay. Clinton, no gotdanged way. Worst attempt at fake sincerity ever. Her condescending smugness makes me all stabby. She reminds of those car salesman types who smile and nod when you're talking. They're not actually listening, just thinking of what they're going to say next.
 
2007-07-16 01:59:55 PM
If it's between Clinton and Thompson, I'm voting for Clinton if there's no viable third party candidate.
 
2007-07-16 01:59:59 PM
I want a No-Bush, No-Clinton ticket.

My vote will be going towards "competence".
 
2007-07-16 02:02:59 PM
albo: and then GOP would put up giuliani/fred! and win

Yeah right. The GOP has been destroyed by Bush because people like you backed him for so long. It will take some time before you guys get back any credibility. GOP partisans backed a president that was not conservative and will pay the price.
 
2007-07-16 02:04:40 PM
I don't get why the democrats would want Hillary. Her negative numbers are really high. She is a horrible public speaker and she still carries baggage from her husband
 
2007-07-16 02:04:59 PM
CHAZZZ: Yeah right. The GOP has been destroyed by Bush because people like you backed him for so long.

I'm going to write in CHAZZZ for President in 2008.
 
2007-07-16 02:06:33 PM
mediaho: She reminds of those car salesman types who smile and nod when you're talking.

I think they based the governor's character in "Black Sheep" on Hillary Clinton.
 
2007-07-16 02:08:18 PM
Who would vote for a constitutional scholar that just called for a permanent ban on assault weapons? Do not want.

If I have to vote for a dem give me Richardson, Biden, Gravel.
 
2007-07-16 02:10:11 PM
Hang On Voltaire: I don't get why the democrats would want Hillary. Her negative numbers are really high. She is a horrible public speaker and she still carries baggage from her husband

I agree with you, mostly. I will not support her in any way unless she gets the nomination. However, the "baggage from her husband" is actually a good thing for Democrats. The best thing I could say about her at this point is that she would have his experience and skill (yes, skill) to draw upon. With that, she might actually be a decent president. Her tendency to play the fearmongering game regarding terrorism, however, will keep me far away from her until I have no other reasonable choice.
 
2007-07-16 02:11:13 PM
unfortunately, i have yet to see a truly viable candidate on either side of the aisle. it's quite disconcerting.
 
2007-07-16 02:13:04 PM
/runs gagging
 
2007-07-16 02:13:15 PM
Sad part is that Hillary will probably get it on name-recognition alone. Plus, she plays well to the scared-bunny demographics that lapped up the War On Terrr.

Plus, in Hollywood's case, it's obvious why they want her: she wants to destroy the videogame industry. Less teens spending money on games means more teens spending money on movies. If she had been campaigning for tighter child-restrictions for adult media across the board, half the entertainment world would be dropping her faster than plutonium.
 
2007-07-16 02:14:12 PM
clinton's problem is high negatives, in the 40+ percent range. you can't easily, if at all, change those people's minds. so, if she faces a popular republican or there is a viable third party candidate (hey, mayor bloomberg), she's pretty much toast.

sorry to harsh your memmow, CHAZZZ, but bush will have nothing to do with it.
 
2007-07-16 02:16:03 PM
What I find hilarious is that the people who hate Clinton the worst - the scared southern suburbanites - would probably otherwise be the ones most amicable towards her fearmongering over terror, culture, etc.
 
2007-07-16 02:16:58 PM
Silva: If it's between Clinton and Thompson, I'm voting for Clinton if SINCE there's no viable third party candidate.

It's going to be a tough day at the polls for me if I have to choose Hillary.

RP gets my vote in the primary.
 
2007-07-16 02:17:49 PM
winterlongone: unfortunately, i have yet to see a truly viable candidate on either side of the aisle. it's quite disconcerting.

Are you new to this?
 
2007-07-16 02:21:03 PM
albo: sorry to harsh your memmow, CHAZZZ, but bush will have nothing to do with it.

Just because he isn't running doesn't mean he'll have nothing to do with it. You think Gore had trouble distancing himself from Clinton? Just think how hard the Bush stench will be to wash off for any Republican candidate who even halfway agrees with his policies.
 
2007-07-16 02:21:11 PM
skinnycatullus: I agree with you, mostly. I will not support her in any way unless she gets the nomination.

That, my friend...is the core problem with politics.

"Hey, this person sucks...but I'll vote for them because they're on my team."
 
2007-07-16 02:21:55 PM
albo: clinton's problem is high negatives, in the 40+ percent range. you can't easily, if at all, change those people's minds. so, if she faces a popular republican or there is a viable third party candidate (hey, mayor bloomberg), she's pretty much toast.

sorry to harsh your memmow, CHAZZZ, but bush will have nothing to do with it.



Backwash fantasies. Iraq will be the big issue and your "team" is going to pay. You guys should start thinking about helping the country. I know the "R" in front the name is more important to you though. So I'm just wasting my time.
 
2007-07-16 02:24:30 PM
Bloomberg/Paul 2008!
 
2007-07-16 02:26:24 PM
Bonkthat_Again: "Hey, this person sucks...but I'll vote for them because they're on my team."

It's not about team, for me anyway. She would, at that point, be the lesser of two evils as far as viable candidates go. There is not one Republican running (or rumored to be running) who I think would do as good a job as president as Hillary. There are, however, at least 3 Democrats I would prefer to her.
 
2007-07-16 02:28:22 PM
CHAZZZ: You guys should start thinking about helping the country. I know the "R" in front the name is more important to you though.

so to express your opposition to partisans, you engage in partisan bashing of people who don't agree with you? excellent
 
2007-07-16 02:28:58 PM
Bonkthat_Again

The problem is that the current sordid state of affairs could be considered to be rotting right at the core of the Republican party. Bush isn't the problem - the whole cadre that surrounds him is - and many of these people are old hands within the republican party. If a new Republican is elected, how do we know he won't be bringing with him a whole new Rove, Cheney and Rumsfeld?

That's why the left is seriously considering that Clinton, no matter how stinky she is, is better than any Republican (other than Ron Paul). But until a Republican presidential candidate denounces not only the war and Bush, but the entirety of this administration, the the anti-Bush crowd won't be able to even consider him.

Ron Paul is popular with centrists because he does nearly that. He's irrelevant because he simply lacks the momentum and name-recognition of other candidates (plus, I'm waiting for him to YEAAAAAAARGGG!).
 
2007-07-16 02:29:48 PM
As I said in another thread, I just heard on NPR today that both hillary and obama raised as much as all the GOP candidates combined, that is they each raised as much money as every GOP candidate. The GOP faithful is going to have to wait a while until more people forget that Iraq was your war. Then maybe the ruling class will start hedging their bets with your team again...
 
2007-07-16 02:30:39 PM
skinnycatullus: She would, at that point, be the lesser of two evils as far as viable candidates go.

See, that's where I disagree. They bank on that lesser of 2 evils thing. I try to fark that up by voting independent at that point.
 
2007-07-16 02:33:58 PM
You Don't Have To Enter Your Headlines Like This. Seriously. You Don't.

/nothing to add to the discussion
//Bill Richardson has my hypothetical vote
 
2007-07-16 02:34:03 PM
Hang On Voltaire: I don't get why the democrats would want Hillary. Her negative numbers are really high.

Because not all democrats look at the candidates like they're American Idol contestants.
 
2007-07-16 02:34:21 PM
300 million people, two massive political operations, some of the most powerful corporations in the history of the world, some of the finest educational institutions on the planet...

and these asshats (D and R) are the "best" we have to choose from?

/Vote Zombie Jefferson!
 
2007-07-16 02:34:56 PM
albo: so to express your opposition to partisans, you engage in partisan bashing of people who don't agree with you? excellent

I don't like anybody that treats politics like a team sport. It's your "team" that has been farking things up the last few years. I voted for W in 2000 and I regret it. Do you even think about who you are going to vote for or just fill in all the Rs?
 
2007-07-16 02:35:56 PM
Pxtl: until a Republican presidential candidate denounces not only the war and Bush, but the entirety of this administration, the the anti-Bush crowd won't be able to even consider him.

That pretty much nailed it. I don't have a problem with real conservatism. It shares my goals, just not the methods I would prefer to use to achieve them. I do have a problem with the secretive, power-grabbing, fearmongering version that is currently in charge. It is not conservative in anything but name.

/hardcore liberal
 
2007-07-16 02:39:31 PM
CHAZZZ: or just fill in all the Rs?

wait, is there another way ?
 
2007-07-16 02:39:46 PM
Do you even think about who you are going to vote for or just fill in all the Rs?

of course i do. and get your head around this: people support a party for many reasons. it could be that they agree with the party's views. or they could agree with most of its views. or it could be that the other party is worse--it has a platform and set of governmental beliefs that they just can't support regardless of the candidate. stop being so simpleminded in your hatred
 
2007-07-16 02:41:35 PM
skinnycatullus: That pretty much nailed it. I don't have a problem with real conservatism.

The problem is 'real' conservatism has never existed except in irrelevant circle jerks of Ayn Rand cultists, because when push comes to shove it's just not applicable in the real world.
 
2007-07-16 02:44:49 PM
albo: of course i do. and get your head around this: people support a party for many reasons. it could be that they agree with the party's views. or they could agree with most of its views. or it could be that the other party is worse--it has a platform and set of governmental beliefs that they just can't support regardless of the candidate. stop being so simpleminded in your hatred

You supported a President that clearly showed that he could care less about Republican values. And the people that still support him only do because there is a "R" in front of his name. Partisanship is just another way of saying willful ignorance.
 
2007-07-16 02:45:02 PM
"Just think how hard the Bush stench will be to wash off for any Republican candidate who even halfway agrees with his policies."

Ask McCain
www.lewrockwell.com
 
2007-07-16 02:46:49 PM
Hang On Voltaire: I don't get why the democrats would want Hillary. Her negative numbers are really high. She is a horrible public speaker and she still carries baggage from her husband

Dumb women.

By that I mean uneducated women.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/11/AR2007061102216_ pf.html
In the most recent Washington Post-ABC News poll, Clinton led Obama by a 2 to 1 margin among female voters. Her 15-point lead in the poll is entirely attributable to that margin. Clinton drew support from 51 percent of the women surveyed, compared with 24 percent who said they supported Obama and 11 percent who said they backed former senator John Edwards of North Carolina.

Clinton is drawing especially strong support from lower-income, lesser-educated women -- voters her campaign strategists describe as "women with needs." Obama, by contrast, is faring better among highly educated women, who his campaign says are interested in elevating the political discourse.
 
2007-07-16 02:47:53 PM
Mordant: wait, is there another way ?

Sadly, no. Hate radio and Fox News have done a great job.
 
2007-07-16 02:48:51 PM
Deneb81

So basically, poor single moms? Okay, expect death penalty for failure to pay up child-support in the near future.
 
2007-07-16 02:48:58 PM
More

According to the most recent Post-ABC national poll, taken between May 29 and June 1, women 18 to 44 years old are more likely to see Clinton as the most inspiring of the candidates. Clinton drew support from 61 percent of women who had at most a high school degree, compared with 18 percent for Obama. By contrast, female college graduates were more evenly split: 38 percent said they preferred Clinton, and 34 percent backed Obama. (Twelve percent said they supported Edwards.)

A large gap also appeared on the question of which candidate seemed the most honest and trustworthy: Clinton was considered most honest by 42 percent of women who had only a high school education, compared with 16 percent for Obama. But only 19 percent of college-educated women said Clinton is the most honest; 50 percent chose Obama.
 
2007-07-16 02:49:53 PM
CHAZZZ: Partisanship is just another way of saying willful ignorance.

I thought he explained pretty clearly why Party is more important than even considering an individual candidates ideas or qualifications.
 
2007-07-16 02:50:54 PM
Pxtl: Deneb81

So basically, poor single moms? Okay, expect death penalty for failure to pay up child-support in the near future.


I think that is also the 'most like me' crowd. We'll see if they actually stick with her once people begin seeing stuff like this:

If Clinton wins the Democratic nomination, however, the general election may be a different story. In a Post-ABC News poll conducted in April, 43 percent of female independents said they definitely will not vote for her if she is the Democratic nominee, compared with 29 percent who said the same about Obama.
 
2007-07-16 02:51:20 PM
Deneb81

O.O

So people think she's dishonest... and are voting for her anyways? WTF.
 
2007-07-16 02:55:25 PM
Pxtl: O.O

So people think she's dishonest... and are voting for her anyways? WTF.


People don't think she's the MOST honest. This could be people that think Edwards is the most honest, but want someone that has a reason to spend $400 on a haircut.

Seriously though, I think you're dealing with the 'most like me' crowd of voters. They want a woman president because they want a woman president. Hillary just happens to be the candidate and not a joke.
 
2007-07-16 02:56:03 PM
winterlongone

unfortunately, i have yet to see a truly viable candidate on either side of the aisle. it's quite disconcerting.

And with Bush in power for the last seven years or so, I assume that has been true for nearly a decade now?
 
2007-07-16 02:59:23 PM
President Hillary Clinton

Say it a couple of times a day until you get use to it. Cause that is who we are getting. Some people are born to do certain things. She was born to run for office. The second Obama is no longer helping her raise money she is going to field dress the guy. She cant look like she is going to win easily, she needs someone to run against so that she can build up her war chest for the general election. The most Obama can hope for is that Hillary will ask him to be VP. But I think that Edwards has that job in hand. His is white, southern, and easy to lead.

I am not saying I am happy with this, but my happiness does not matter on the national stage. Well, not yet. (evil laugh)
 
2007-07-16 03:25:11 PM
I thought the Caps Thing was something clever regarding the article.
Color me "meh"-ed.
 
2007-07-16 03:26:25 PM
Gore/Obama sounds ok to me.
 
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