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(Telegraph)   The first Muslim in Congress, according to this, "has cultivated a moderate image" since being elected. Not sure if comparing Bush to Hitler is part of the moderate image, but at least he's trying   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 84
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2007-07-16 02:40:24 PM  
Bush likes dogs. Hitler liked dogs.
 
2007-07-16 02:43:39 PM  
Hitler was a vegetarian. Bush is a vegetable.
 
2007-07-16 02:59:13 PM  
jimmyhaha: Hitler was a vegetarian. Bush is a vegetable.

Buh-zing!
 
jbc [TotalFark]
2007-07-16 03:00:20 PM  
Hitler didn't forget about Poland. Bush didn't forget about Poland.
 
2007-07-16 03:03:21 PM  
Before judging him, I'll wait for him to do some good...like strapping on a dynamite vest and taking out his co-workers.
 
2007-07-16 03:08:15 PM  
Bah! Wake me up when Bush and his Party start scapegoating religious minorities, social democrats, trade unions, homosexuals, civil rights groups... oh, wait.
 
2007-07-16 03:28:35 PM  
According to the muslims the news tells me about, the holocaust didn't happen... so that means in this comparison, hitler wasn't that bad of a guy... right? So neither is Bush?

I'll shut up now.
 
2007-07-16 03:35:29 PM  
TFA: Addressing a gathering of atheists in his home state of Minnesota, Keith Ellison, a Democrat....

You can't make this stuff up, folks.
 
2007-07-16 03:50:00 PM  
He's very articulate.

Plus I love it when I meet a minority who doesn't hate me.
 
2007-07-16 03:53:52 PM  
Skwidd: Before judging him, I'll wait for him to do some good...like strapping on a dynamite vest and taking out his co-workers.

Ellison isn't a Saudi national.
 
2007-07-16 03:56:37 PM  
submitter: Not sure if comparing Bush to Hitler is part of the moderate image, but at least he's trying

Also, Trollmitter, he doesn't actually compare the two men, just the similarities between 2 "State emergencies" and their effect on each respective government.

/But you already knew that.
 
2007-07-16 04:06:15 PM  
I intensely dislike the Bush/Hitler comparisons-- I think it sometimes demonstrates an ignorance of history, politics, society, and culture.

But the WTC/Reichstag comparisons are valid-- all statist governments capitalize upon terrorism and exploit it towards authoritarian ends. The State desperately needs terrorist violence to justify its ever-increasing interference into people's lives and terrorists happily corroborate with them, since terrorists need a repressive State to justify the ever-increasing intensity of their violence. The textbook example of this is what went down in Italy in the mid-1970s.

The Bush-Cheney regime didn't plan and execute the attacks on 9/11; they did, however, take full advatange of the chaos and fear that followed for their own benefit.

That said, Ellison is a [DUMBASS] because he's a professional pandering politician, not because he sees parallels in the way that rulers have authoritarian responses to civil crises. Subby was right but for all the wrong reasons.

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2007-07-16 04:23:30 PM  
Control_this: He's very articulate.


And clean.
 
2007-07-16 04:45:15 PM  
I can remember just a few months back when my own useless, wingnut, Bush-licking, shiat-for-brains "Representative," Virgil Goode (VA-5 and, needless to say, R), was throwing a fit because Ellison had the nerve to take his oath of office on a Qur'an rather than a Bible, the insinuation being that he was a stalking-horse for Al-Qa'ida or something. This article just verifies even further what a farking bigot douchebag No-Goode is.
 
2007-07-16 04:46:23 PM  
The hero of the Liberals has arrived!

This guy is an effing scumbag to compare anyone to Hitler, fark him.
 
2007-07-16 04:47:02 PM  
What?

Bush is clearly a very normal, mainstream figure.

hahaha
 
2007-07-16 04:47:40 PM  
"you know, that's how they put you in the nut-ball box - dismiss you".

He's in the nut-box already and alread dismissed from reality.
 
2007-07-16 04:52:11 PM  
Well, Dubya is just following his grandpa Prescott's legacy, what did you expect?
That money from Theissen Steel sure came in handy a time or two as well, I'd expect.
 
2007-07-16 04:52:18 PM  
FlashLV: "you know, that's how they put you in the nut-ball box - dismiss you".

He's in the nut-box already and alread dismissed from reality.


Good comeback.
 
2007-07-16 04:53:20 PM  
Before anyone even thinks of arguing with FlashLV
read this Link (new window)
 
2007-07-16 04:53:35 PM  
FlashLV

What is the point of learning from history if we are ridiculed to point out how a pattern of events in the past that had terrible consequences occurs again in the present? Now, Bush is not similar to Hitler in his worst ways, but todays american government has taken many steps and methods used by the authoritarian governments of the past...nothing so extreme as back then, obviously, but similar nontheless.

Personally I'm glad that people are shouting "Hitler! Hitler!" at Bush and other world leaders. It shows we haven't forgotten what can result from bad governments, and it helps to prevent those terrible things from happening again.
 
2007-07-16 04:54:36 PM  
Bush didn't attack America to seize power, Bush co-opted an attack on America to seize power. He saw an opportunity to get scared Americans to waive their rights and give up some freedom so he could do as he pleased. He then used that power to invade Iraq using lies to gain public support for his war and he abused his power to attack critics and conceal his misdeeds from congress and the public.

Bush is a criminal and a terrible national disgrace. Hitler was a monster orders of magnitude worse than Bush. That's a bad, bad analogy Keith.
 
2007-07-16 04:55:54 PM  
www.republicansareidiots.com

I call B.S. Hitler was democratically elected, Bush was a Supreme Court appointee.
 
2007-07-16 04:56:44 PM  
I think we can all agree that Bush will never be the dynamic public speaker that Hitler was.
 
2007-07-16 04:56:45 PM  
tehvodak: Before anyone even thinks of arguing with FlashLV
read this Link (new window)


Why the hard on for me? It's disturbing, he posts the same link in every thread LOL.

Just shows he's nothing but a troll really.
 
2007-07-16 04:57:35 PM  
Confirmed proof that this congressman hasn't an original thought in his brain - a civilization full of historical bad guys to compare Shrub to and the best he can come up with is Adolf Hilter?

Anytime anyone makes a Hitler comparison you can pretty much bet that they really don't have a valid argument and they are simply looking to get a reaction.
 
2007-07-16 04:58:29 PM  
EzraS: FlashLV

What is the point of learning from history if we are ridiculed to point out how a pattern of events in the past that had terrible consequences occurs again in the present? Now, Bush is not similar to Hitler in his worst ways, but todays american government has taken many steps and methods used by the authoritarian governments of the past...nothing so extreme as back then, obviously, but similar nontheless.

Personally I'm glad that people are shouting "Hitler! Hitler!" at Bush and other world leaders. It shows we haven't forgotten what can result from bad governments, and it helps to prevent those terrible things from happening again.


It shows a misunderstanding for history to compare a person who took MILLIONS of Jews and killed them with a direct order. Not in war just because he didn't like them. Anyone compaing Bush to Hitler is making what Hitler did okay.
 
2007-07-16 05:02:20 PM  
considering his approval ratings, I think yeah, it is pretty mainstream to compare the two...
 
2007-07-16 05:05:08 PM  
FlashLV:

It shows a misunderstanding for history to compare a person who took MILLIONS of Jews and killed them with a direct order. Not in war just because he didn't like them. Anyone compaing Bush to Hitler is making what Hitler did okay.

No comparison is perfect. I've not read in this article, or anywhere, that Keith Ellison is saying that Bush is exactly like Hitler. I shouldn't even have to point this out. You can compare specific actions of people (like the whole Reichstags shenanigans) without needing to say that they are EXACTLY THE SAME. Had bush orchestrated the 9/11 attacks as a means to grab political power, Ellison's analogy would be quite correct. I don't know that to be true or not, but Ellison is entitled to his opinion.

Your comments show a clear inability to make anything more than the broadest kinds of distinctions, when fine distinctions are what is required to have even a passing understanding of the argument that Ellison is trying to make.
 
2007-07-16 05:08:17 PM  
FlashLV: It shows a misunderstanding for history to compare a person who took MILLIONS of Jews and killed them with a direct order. Not in war just because he didn't like them. Anyone compaing Bush to Hitler is making what Hitler did okay.

He didn't do that, but you continue trolling and spreading lies.

Saying that the Fires and The WTC bombings had similar effects on government is not an inaccurate statement, both consolidated power in the executive.
 
2007-07-16 05:08:24 PM  
FTFAVice-President Dick Cheney's stance of refusing to answer some questions from Congress was "the very definition of totalitarianism, authoritarianism and dictatorship", he added.

Executive branch resisting the politically motivated fishing expeditions by the legislative branch = totalitarianism

whowouldathunkit.

If they couldn't be called on it, or investigated - THEN it would be something to worry about.
 
2007-07-16 05:15:40 PM  
www.dropshots.com
 
2007-07-16 05:17:05 PM  
What's Master P think about this?
 
2007-07-16 05:17:29 PM  
Mr. Anon: FlashLV: It shows a misunderstanding for history to compare a person who took MILLIONS of Jews and killed them with a direct order. Not in war just because he didn't like them. Anyone compaing Bush to Hitler is making what Hitler did okay.

He didn't do that, but you continue trolling and spreading lies.

Saying that the Fires and The WTC bombings had similar effects on government is not an inaccurate statement, both consolidated power in the executive.


To compare anyone to hitler is saying everything about Hitler not just the nice fun parts like you keep pretending he meant.
 
2007-07-16 05:20:51 PM  
This is a frustrating time for me:

1) The libs refer to W. as "Hitler".

2) I think W. is way too liberal....expanding government, kissing up to illegals, etc.
 
2007-07-16 05:22:57 PM  
FlashLV:

To compare anyone to hitler is saying everything about Hitler not just the nice fun parts like you keep pretending he meant.

I'm sure you'll get to this eventually...but....why?

Now I'm sorry, but are you retarded? Not in the mean way, but in the "should I call your parents before you swallow a canary" way. I am genuinely concerned for your wellbeing here.
 
2007-07-16 05:23:46 PM  
FlashLV: To compare anyone to hitler is saying everything about Hitler not just the nice fun parts like you keep pretending he meant.

Except, all Ellison talked about was the Reichstag fire and the WTC attack, and their respective effects on the powers asserted by the respective governments - the "nice fun parts," as you put it. Ellison did not compare Bush to Hitler, did not refer to "everything about Hitler," and in fact did not use Hitler's name.
 
2007-07-16 05:24:08 PM  
The_Sponge: 2) I think W. is way too liberal....expanding government, kissing up to illegals, etc.

Well, they can't go around calling him kruschev. That falls dangerously close to the other side's rhetoric, and the last thing we need is a war over copyrights. ;)
 
2007-07-16 05:24:21 PM  
This guy belongs in a nut box. Ive known people who loved in a nut box and they are offended by the reference.
 
2007-07-16 05:27:36 PM  
Tyee: Ive known people who loved in a nut box and they are offended by the reference.

You'd think they just would've brought the girl to a hotel like decent folk ;)
 
2007-07-16 05:27:48 PM  
He is just repeating what the base wants to hear. This really helps with swing voters in swing states so I hope he keeps it up
 
2007-07-16 05:39:02 PM  
Mr Ellison also raised eyebrows by telling his audience: "You'll always find this Muslim standing up for your right to be atheists all you want."

I find this very hard to believe. Either Ellison is lying or he's not a very good Muslim.
 
2007-07-16 05:39:25 PM  
Hang On Voltaire: He is just repeating what the base wants to hear. This really helps with swing voters in swing states so I hope he keeps it up

Right, the base. Just like Virgil Goode was just repeating what the base wants to hear?

Don't let the fringes define the "base."
 
2007-07-16 05:40:45 PM  
Ironic tag?

www.jewishworldreview.com
 
2007-07-16 05:41:25 PM  
www.taz.de
 
2007-07-16 05:48:26 PM  
Hitler approved of torture and secret imprisonment without access to courts. So does Bush.
 
2007-07-16 05:48:54 PM  
oryx: I find this very hard to believe. Either Ellison is lying or he's not a very good Muslim.

you are aware, of course, that not all Muslims are extremists, right? That a Muslim can be just as open to those of other faiths (or non-faiths) as a Christian, Jew, Hindu, or any other religious-type?
 
2007-07-16 05:50:25 PM  
sappho.d.beeblebrox
I call B.S. Hitler was democratically elected

No. Hitler was NOT democratically elected. He was appointed to the chancellorship.
 
2007-07-16 05:50:56 PM  
hitler hates jews, muslims hate jews...
 
2007-07-16 05:52:00 PM  
lord-humungus
muslims hate jews...

Paging the "That's Racist" Wonder Showzen kid.
 
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